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    #32
    NewDubliner
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Which is why the unions and the PS 'i didn't cause this mess' apologists better cop on that the national interest is above the union interest for everyone, one sector of the economy cannot hold everyone to ransom.
    You didn't mention farmers and other rural dwellers whose lifestyles are heavily subsidised by city workers.

    Everyone has to pull together, no?


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    #33
    eoinbn
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    NewDubliner wrote: »
    You didn't mention farmers and other rural dwellers whose lifestyles are heavily subsidised by city workers.

    Everyone has to pull together, no?

    Farming might well benefit from a collapse of the irish economy. The 'Celtic Tiger' did nothing for it. The only farmers that got anything out of it were the ones that sold up, or sold sites.
    You were also replying to a post talking about holding the country to randsom- farmers/rural people have no hold over the country unlike public sector workers.


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    #34
    turgon
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    Whatever about high tax and selling of public assets, I think the worst part of this would be the reputation we would get on the global market.


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    #35
    tlev
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    As opposed to what it is now :D?


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    #36
    gurramok
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    NewDubliner wrote: »
    You didn't mention farmers and other rural dwellers whose lifestyles are heavily subsidised by city workers.

    Everyone has to pull together, no?

    Do farmers cost the state €20bn+? :rolleyes:


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    #37
    NewDubliner
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Do farmers cost the state €20bn+? :rolleyes:
    That's an evasive response.


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    #38
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    NewDubliner wrote: »
    That's an evasive response.

    Why, because its the truth?

    Any sector whether from agriculture to the bus service that is partially or fully subsidised by the taxpayer cannot hold the country to ransom.

    It just so happens that the public sector as a whole costs 20bn+, farmers cost a fraction of that in subsidies. (i am the last person on the planet to defend farmers)


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    #39
    NewDubliner
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It just so happens that the public sector as a whole costs 20bn+, farmers cost a fraction of that in subsidies. (i am the last person on the planet to defend farmers)
    Not just farmers, but rural interest groups in general.

    For example, let's unwind the decentralisation project?


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    #40
    gurramok
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    NewDubliner wrote: »
    For example, let's unwind the decentralisation project?

    Yes, full steam ahead. No point moving people back that have moved already, it will cost money.

    Stop the whole thing where there are no savings to be made. If there are savings for moving a dept down from Dublin to Ballybackwater, go ahead. Not many are like this though.

    Anyway, wherever efficiencies can be found, implement them.


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    #41
    NewDubliner
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Yes, full steam ahead. No point moving people back that have moved already, it will cost money.
    But that's what we'll have to do as part of restructuring the PS. Much easier to redeploy staff as needed if they all live in the one or two cities.

    The 'decentralisation' project was conceived as a way of subsidising country lifestyles. Extra staff had to be hired to fill the vacancies in the politically favoured towns. I think BIM was given by the government to Clonakilty? It's to be shut down, according to Bord Snip.

    Will Clonakilty accept this for the good of the nation?


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    #42
    gurramok
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    Yes, they should.

    It's like the parish pump politics, everyone wants a 24/7 hospital in their home town despite the lack of a population to support it. Monaghan and Cavan comes to mind, 2 counties with a population of around 55,000 each give or take, yet they are right beside each other and have corresponding hospitals over the border in a stones throw away!!

    Another is Donegal. They have Derry just across the border for north Donegal and Enniskillen for south Donegal but yet people who protest against their local hospital cutting back just cannot seem to cop on that there is probably better and cheaper medical care across the border a few miles away.

    PS - expecting Donegalfella to counteract this ;)


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    #43
    NewDubliner
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Another is Donegal. They have Derry just across the border for north Donegal and Enniskillen for south Donegal but yet people who protest against their local hospital cutting back just cannot seem to cop on that there is probably better and cheaper medical care across the border a few miles away.
    Perhaps we should 'foster out' Donegal to the UK for the duration of the recession?


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    #44
    gurramok
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    NewDubliner wrote: »
    Perhaps we should 'foster out' Donegal to the UK for the duration of the recession?

    Brilliant idea, that will save us a good few million :)

    Seriously, there should be some sort of regional co-ordination in the border areas where it benefits both states to have services servicing both, its plain sense.

    But, that wouldn't apply to Ennis. Population about 20,000, with a 24/7 hospital but a major city down the road about 20 miles away, whats their excuse to hold the country to ransom?

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2007/0929/ireland/mhmhauaumhau/
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0409/ennis.html


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