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John O'Donoghue and his travel spending spree
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As my TDs are John himself, Healy Rae and Tom Sheehan FG, it's a waste of a stamp.
Have spoken with 2 FF senators since the scandal broke who completely agree that he should be gone and it is a disgrace. But pretty sure neither would go on the record...0 -
Like i said already there are families in this country today trying to put on a brave face to protect their kids from the fact that they might be homeless next year,a lot of these people worked hard for years and paid a lot of tax .It is sickening to think now that this is how there money was spent..flying this overfeed tosser all over the world!what is even more sickenig is that there is not one major party that damanded the he step down.What future do we or our kids have???:mad:No it's not. He took the p!ss out of us all with his extravagance and come on folks, he KNEW a limo ride from terminal to terminal was extravagant and he did it anyway because he couldn't give a toss about "scum" taxpayers. He's no different to P. Flynn who though he was so much better than the rest of us plebs. W@nkers the lot of them. If the people want to make an example out of John O'Donoghue then that's what should happen. He's not the only one takin the p!ss, we know that. It doesn't matter-we don't have to be fair and equitable with John O'Donoghue because he wasn't fair and equitable with us!
Yes, but that would mean the TDs authorise some else to set their pay and there is clear resistance to that as evidenced by the deafening silence from the opposition benches around this matter. That's unfortunately why is has come to the point that either the people get off their lazy complacent ars3s or shut the fcuk up and NEVER complain about a sleazy fleecing thieving ploitician EVER again!0 -
it doesn't seem to work at the moment; you might tell me what he said?
anyway, perhaps he's just wrong rather than lying?
anyway...
http://ceanncomhairle.oireachtas.ie/role.asp
so there ya go, he preculdes himself, probably stays away from party meetings etc, but its only temporary and he does not have to quit the party
He said yer man left Fianna Fail and he's not allowed in the TD's canteen.0 -
Senator Ned O' Sullivan was on Matt Cooper in defence of J O' D. I couldn't listen to him for more than 5 seconds. What a waffler, liar and bullsh**er!!!
He did himself, and his crony no favours. :mad:
He was so proud of how J O' D explained his expenses, and bowed to the public, what a hero. :rolleyes:
Cut from the same cloth, IMHO.0 -
joseph brand wrote: »Senator Ned O' Sullivan was on Matt Cooper in defence of J O' D. I couldn't listen to him for more than 5 seconds. What a waffler, liar and bullsh**er!!!
He did himself, and his crony no favours. :mad:
He was so proud of how J O' D explained his expenses, and bowed to the public, what a hero. :rolleyes:
Cut from the same cloth, IMHO.
Yeah, but cut John some slack. He didn't personally benefit and he did write a letter explaining the issue to the Dail members:rolleyes:
What I want to know, is why the hell did he feel the need to write a letter to the same people who are abusing the system as he did? The damn explanation OR apology shouldn't be addressed to them, it should be addressed to the taxpayer, we, the bloody people, considering it was our money the snake was squandering.0 -
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Its amazing how its all gone away now isn't it from the media but the expenses are still being "doled" out and nothing has changed!
Absolutely astounding and indicative of the corruption within the Dail from all sides.0 -
Its amazing how its all gone away now isn't it from the media but the expenses are still being "doled" out and nothing has changed!
Absolutely astounding and indicative of the corruption within the Dail from all sides.
I agree. I honestly think that people will take to the streets by christmas, and I dont mean to do the shopping.0 -
Yeah, but cut John some slack. He didn't personally benefit and he did write a letter explaining the issue to the Dail members.
I agree, leave the poor rich man alone. We all know how easy it is to get him worked up and that couldn't be good for him. It's not fair that he can't even have a day out at the races without being harassed.:o0 -
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fly_agaric wrote: »I do find it tough to believe that civil servants would take it upon themsleves to organise all that arab potentate sh!t without at least some direction from above??
Maybe they love him that much.
He does look quite adorable :pac: :P
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Dear John Sorry, We're Still Following The Money
Ceann Comhairle and his wife ran up a bill of more than €350,000 in three-and-a-half years for first-class flights, five-star hotels and chauffeur-driven cars.
Public Affairs Correspondent Ken Foxe reports
CEANN Comhairle John O'Donoghue and his wife Kate-Ann ran up a travel bill of more than €350,000 in the space of three-and-a-half years, with flights costing over €9,000 each and limousine bills of over €12,000.
Newly-released details of the former minister's junketeering reveal that hundreds of thousands of euros were spent on first-class flights, five-star hotels and chauffeur-driven cars between June 2002 and the end of 2005.
The cost of flights, accommodation, car hire and subsistence came to €174,449 and another €178,680 was spent on travel aboard the government jet.
The final tally of €353,129 is a conservative estimate of the costs of O'Donoghue's travels, as flights, hotels and other bills were frequently paid for by semi-state agencies including Tourism Ireland, Horse Racing Ireland and the Irish Film Board.
In a single year, O'Donoghue travelled abroad 19 times, with his wife Kate-Ann accompanying him on at least eight of those trips.
In 2004, O'Donoghue went twice to the US, once to China, once to Hungary and once to Portugal, along with his annual trip to the Cheltenham racing festival.
On the trip to China in May 2004, two return flights – presumed to have been first-class – for him and his wife Kate-Ann cost the taxpayer €18,195, or €9,097 each.
Another €3,407 was spent on hotel accommodation for the minister, his wife and our civil servants, details of a Freedom of Information (FOI) request have revealed.
Where exactly the minister stayed and what his itinerary was have not been disclosed, however; details of O'Donoghue's travels are heavily redacted in this latest FOI request, which will add to growing calls for a full explanation by the Ceann Comhairle.
O'Donoghue claimed another €270 in subsistence while his wife reclaimed €154 in costs. Costs totalling €437.74 are labelled "miscellaneous", with no further details of the exact nature of the expenditure provided.
O'Donoghue's travels began in January of that year when he flew to Brussels; flights for himself and two civil servants cost €1,317. Costs were low on that trip: car hire cost just €300 and subsistence cost €226.51.
Later that month, the Ceann Comhairle was back in Brussels for an EU committee meeting. Costs on that trip came in at around €1,000.
In February, O'Donoghue travelled to London for the presentation of the Irish World Newspaper Awards, where he ran up a bill of €1,667.69.
Flights were a bargain €279.13, with accommodation costing €539.28 and another €849.58 spent on limousine hire for transport around the English capital.
In March, O'Donoghue and his wife travelled to Cheltenham and London for the annual St Patrick's Day trip to the racing festival in England.
Car hire on that trip cost €1,142 and another €287 was claimed back by the couple in subsistence. Hotel and flights were paid for by either Horse Racing Ireland or Tourism Ireland and have not been made available by either body.
In May, O'Donoghue flew to Brussels by government jet, and in July the minister was off again with his wife in tow, this time to soccer's European Championship final in Portugal. The Irish team was not even playing in the tournament but O'Donoghue went anyway, on flights which ended up costing €2,139.83 each, or €4,279.66 in total.
Car hire for that trip cost €1,159.83 with the couple claiming around €100 in subsistence. The hotel bill for staying in Lisbon appears to have been paid by another organisation outside the department.
Mysterious 'miscellaneous' expenses
In August, O'Donoghue went to the Olympic Games in Greece. His wife accompanied him again, and the hotel bill was not paid by the department. Flights for that trip cost €2,290 for O'Donoghue, although it is unclear who paid for Kate-Ann O'Donoghue to travel to the games.
Other costs on that trip included €387.96 on car hire, more than €500 in subsistence and €1,250.60 in the mysterious 'miscellaneous' category.
In September, John and Kate-Ann O'Donoghue were off again, to visit Denmark and view the launch of a reconstructed Viking Galley Ship.
Who paid for the flights and hotels remains a mystery but car hire on the trip came to €3,096, while the couple claimed €611 in subsistence expenses.
Just a week-and-a-half later, the couple jetted off to Detroit for the Ryder Cup. The only cost to the taxpayer, according to the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism, was the €611 claimed in subsistence.
However, it seems almost certain that the remainder of the bill, including expensive flights to America and hotel accommodation there, was paid for by Tourism Ireland.
The Sunday Tribune tried to get access to ministerial travel paid for by Tourism Ireland between 2002 and 2006, but this newspaper was told that a fee of €1,676 would have to be paid first.
A month after returning from the Ryder Cup, O'Donoghue travelled to Hungary on 13 October for a meeting of EU sports ministers in Budapest.
The cost of his flight was €1,622.73 but, inexplicably, the cost of a flight for his wife was higher, coming in at €1,702.98. Hotel costs for that trip, which also included two officials, came to a grand total of €1,335.64.
Two weeks later, John O'Donoghue was back in the United States for another tourism promotion drive. The only cost to the department for that trip was €1,383.15 for car hire, with the remainder of the bill picked up by one of the semi-state bodies.
By the end of the year, O'Donoghue had gone abroad six more times, to a series of EU meetings and to the memorial services for Ken Bigley and Margaret Hassan, who were killed in Iraq.
On one journey to London for a "World Travel Market", most of the costs were again not paid by the department, but €1,383 was spent on car hire.
Car hire costs €10,833.71
In 2005, John O'Donoghue went abroad 11 times, with his wife Kate-Ann accompanying him on at least seven of those trips.
In February, the Ceann Comhairle and his wife went to the USA on a joint Irish Film Board and Tourism Ireland promotion.
Car hire on that trip cost no less than €10,833.71, according to the figures, for shuttling the minister and civil servants around the United States.
Hotel costs for the travelling party of five came to €3,750.90 but the department has failed to give details of where the group stayed and how much rooms cost per night. The transatlantic flights were paid for by either Tourism Ireland or the Irish Film Board.
In March, O'Donoghue and his wife were off to England for St Patrick's Day and their annual jaunt to the Cheltenham racing festival.
Accommodation on that trip for the minister and his wife came to €1,029.57 while car hire – thought to have been booked through Terry Gallagher's firm in London – amounted to €9,164.69.
In April, O'Donoghue went to Liverpool for an annual Horse Racing Ireland Promotion, which happened to coincide with the Grand National at Aintree.
Flights and accommodations were paid for by Horse Racing Ireland, which has said that records of those costs do not exist in an easily available format.
"There may be relevant records across a range of categories and locations but this would require a review of a significant volume of records covering the five years involved and significant time required to identify, locate, collate and copy such information," it said in a letter.
Separately, Kate-Ann O'Donoghue had been appointed to the Bookmaker Appeals Committee, a statutory body set up to adjudicate on Horse Racing Ireland decisions, in December 2000.
For her work there over a three-year period, she was paid €2,591.53, according to details made available to the Sunday Tribune by Horse Racing Ireland.
By April 2005, Kate Ann O'Donoghue was headed to the United States again with her husband, this time for an 'Ireland West Tourism Promotion'.
Details of the cost of flights and hotels are not available for this trip either; the only bill paid by the department was the €588.70 claimed in subsistence by the Ceann Comhairle and his wife.
In May 2005, the country's best-travelled couple headed to France for an Irish Film Board promotion, thought to have coincided with the Cannes Film Festival.
They flew by government jet at a cost of €23,670, while car hire there came to €4,093. The hotel bill on that trip for O'Donoghue, his wife and two departmental officials amounted to €8,177, or more than €2,000 each.
In June 2005, O'Donoghue went to the United States and Newfoundland for another 'arts and tourism promotion'.
Accommodation on that trip cost €2,792, another €3,061 was spent on car hire, and the minister and his wife claimed €744.19 in subsistence. The flights paid for by a semi-state agency and their cost is unavailable.
Between August and September, O'Donoghue went abroad twice – to a funeral service for Lady Beit in London and to an EU meeting in Liverpool.
By the end of September, his more glamorous travel had begun again and he headed off to France, again with his wife. Car hire on that trip cost €2,303.94 with the accommodation bill coming in at €1,943.80.
The following month, John and Kate-Ann O'Donoghue headed off to Australia and New Zealand on another tourism promotion.
The Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism paid out just €1,404 on that trip for car hire and subsistence, with thousands more in hotel and flight costs thought to have been paid by Tourism Ireland.
2005 ended on a conservative note with a trip to London for the World Travel Market. The minister flew by government jet and spent €1,446 on car hire.
In 2003, Minister O'Donoghue jetted away from Ireland 13 times, with his wife accompanying him on at least eight of those trips.
That year began quietly: the couple did not go anywhere until March when they paid their annual visit to Britain for St Patrick's Day and the Cheltenham Festival.
Car hire that year was relatively cheap by O'Donoghue standards, costing only €3,586. Another €1,218 was spent on accommodation and €1,595 on flights.
Later that month, the Ceann Comhairle went to Germany for a holiday roadshow. The only bill paid by the department on that trip was for €1,052 in miscellaneous expenses.
Bill paid by Horse Racing Ireland
In April, the minister was back in Liverpool with Horse Racing Ireland for its annual promotion coinciding with the Grand National.
Costs for that trip have been listed as €0.00 by the department, with the entire tab picked up by the body responsible for overseeing horse racing in Ireland.
That May, John O'Donoghue was back in the south of France with his wife for the Cannes festival, courtesy of the Irish Film Board and, ultimately, the taxpayer.
Flights for the minister, his wife and three officials came to €2,398.45 and another €7,848 was spent on hotel accommodation.
Later that month, O'Donoghue travelled to a meeting of EU culture ministers in Athens, accompanied by his wife. Flights cost €6,058 including seats for two officials.
On 28 May, the minister made the short trip to Manchester where the Champions League Final was taking place. Costs on that trip, which lasted just a day, came to €1,459, with €263 on flights, €291 on accommodation and €904 on car hire.
In June, O'Donoghue headed to Greece for the torch ceremony of the Special Olympics. Flights for himself and a civil servant cost €3,257 and accommodation came to €952.
Later that month, the minister and his wife headed to the USA again for another Tourism Ireland promotion. The total cost for that trip came to €3,001, according to the departmental figures, although it was actually far higher, with the bill shared by the different government agencies.
In August and September, the couple went to Italy twice, with a layover at one stage in France.
On the first trip in late August, the cost of four flights came to €5,386; on the second trip, car hire alone cost €1,109.
In October 2003, the minister flew to Australia as part of a promotion by Tourism Ireland and Horse Racing Ireland to coincide with the famous Melbourne Cup horse racing event.
Most of the bill was paid by the two semi-state bodies, with the main cost to the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism a €2,201 tab for car hire on stopovers in London and in Singapore.
In November, O'Donoghue was off to London again for the World Travel Market and managed to run up a bill of €2,276 in the space of a couple of days.
Car hire yet again was the most significant cost and the bill for ferrying the minister around in a limousine ended up costing the taxpayer €1,442.
That year's travel ended with a short trip to Brussels for a meeting of culture ministers, with the final tally there just €629.33.
In 2002, the Ceann Comhairle travelled abroad just five times, at least twice in the company of his wife. O'Donoghue had just been made minister at the Department of Arts, Sport and Tourism in what was widely perceived as a demotion from his previous post as justice minister, where he was infamous for his "zero tolerance" catchphrase.
His overseas travel got off to a good start with a trip to the World Cup in Korea, where Ireland was competing amid controversy over the early departure of Roy Keane at Saipan.
Flights for that trip cost €11,097.33, or €5,548.66 each for the minister and his wife, with a hotel bill of €4,555.89 also picked up by the taxpayer.
In September, the minister headed off to Birmingham for the Ryder Cup. The only cost to the department for that trip was €125.51 in subsistence, with the rest thought to have been paid for by Tourism Ireland.
A month later, he flew to Paris aboard the government jet to open the Irish College there, and a week later made his first trip as minister to the United States.
Subsistence on that trip for himself and his wife came to €1,171, with most of the bill picked up by Tourism Ireland.
On the last trip of that year, he headed to Brussels and London in November for an EU meeting, on a flight costing €1,059.
2002
Date: 14 June, Destination: Seoul, Event: Korea World Cup, Cost: €11, 441.28 (excl accom)
Date: 26 Sept, Destination: Birmingham Ryder Cup, Cost: €125.51 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 24 Oct, Destination: USA, Event: Tourism promotion, Cost: €1,171.76 (excl accom)
Date: 11 Nov, Destination: Brussels and London, Event: EU Council, Cost: €1,145.25 (excl flights and accom)
2003
Date: 10 March, Destination: Cheltenham and Edinburgh, Event: Horse Racing Ireland promotion and St. Patrick's Day events, Cost: €3,586.51 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 27 March, Destination: Germany, Event: Tourism promotion, Cost: €1,052.16 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 15 May, Destination: (Cannes) France, Event: Irish Film Board and Tourism promotion, Cost: €713.79 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 23 May, Destination: Greece, Event: EU culture ministers' meeting, Cost: €294.67 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 28 May, Destination: Manchester, Event: Champions League final, Cost: €1,459.76
Date: 30 June, Destination: USA, Event: Tourism Ireland promotion, Cost: €3,001.57 (excl accom)
Date: 29 August, Destination: Italy, Event: EU culture ministers' meeting, Cost: €42.77 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 30 Sept, Destination: Italy and France, Events: EU informal ministers meeting, Cost: €1,382.67 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 25 Oct, Destination: Australia, Event: Horse Racing Ireland and Tourism Ireland promotion, Cost: €4,521.01 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 11 Nov, Destination: London, Event: World Travel Market, Cost: €2,276.66 (excluding flights)
Date: 24 Nov, Destination: Brussels, Event: Culture ministers meeting, Cost: €629.33 (excl flights and accom)
2004
Date: 12 Jan, Destination: Brussels, Event: Showcase of Irish Culture, Cost: €526.21 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 26 Jan, Destination: Brussels, Event: EU Committee on Culture, Youth, Media and Sport, Cost: €162.50 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 23 Feb, Destination: London, Event: Irish world newspapers awards, Cost: €1,667.99
Date: 13 March, Destination: Cheltenham & Liverpool, Event: St Patrick's Day, Cost: €1,430.79 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 1 April, Destination: Liverpool, Event: Horse Racing Ireland promotion, Cost: €90.91 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 8 May, Destination: China, Event: Irish Chinese Cultural Programme, Cost: €19,057.74
Date: 1 July, Destination: Portugal, Event: Euro 2004 final, Cost: €5,556.00
Date: 12 Aug, Destination: Greece, Event: Olympic Games, Cost: €4,482.93
Date: 2 Sep, Destination: Denmark, Event: Launch of Viking gallwy ship, Cost: €3,708.50 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 13 Sep, Destination: Detroit, Event: Ryder Cup, Cost: €612.40 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 13 Oct, Destination: Hungary, Event: EU sports ministers' meeting, Cost: €3,342.02
Date: 27 Oct, Destination: USA, Event: Tourism promotion, Cost: €140.50 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 9 Nov, Destination: London, Event: World Travel Market, Cost: €1,383.15 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 15 Nov, Destination: Brussels, Event: EU ministerial meet, Cost: €439.70 (excl accom)
2005
Date: 6 Feb, Destination: USA, Event: Irish Film Board and Tourism Ireland Promotion, Cost: €11,066.95 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 12 March, Destination: London and Cheltenham, Event: Promotion at races, Cost: €10,524.75 (excl flights)
Date: 3 April, Destination: Liverpool, Event: Horse Racing Ireland promotion, Cost: €62.71 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 17 April, Destination: USA, Event: Ireland West tourism promotion, Cost: €588.70 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 27 June, Destination: Newfoundland and USA, Event: Arts and Tourism promotion €744.19
Date: 30 Sep, Destination: France, Event: Tourism promotion, Cost: €2,766.11 (excl flights and accom)
Date: 26 Oct, Destination: Australia & NZ, Event: Tourism promotion, Cost: €1,404.28 (excl flights and accom)
Flights of fancy: John O'Donoghue's government jet use, 2002–2005
Date: 18 Oct 2002, Event: Opening of Irish College, Paris, Est time in air: 200 minutes, Cost: €26,297
Date: 27 May 2004, Event: EU Council of Ministers, Brussels, Est time in air: 180 minutes, Cost: €23,670
Date: 13 Nov 2004, Event: Memorial service, Ken Bigley, Liverpool, Est time in air: 90 minutes, Cost: €11,835
Date: 19 Nov 2004, Event: British Irish Council Meeting, Guernsey, Est time in air: 140 minutes, Cost: €18,407
Date: 1 Dec 2004, Event: Closing ceremony of European Year of Education through Sport, Netherlands, Est time in air: 180 minutes, Cost: €23,670
Date: 11 Dec 2004, Event: Memorial service, Margaret Hassan, London, Est time in air: 90 minutes, Cost: €11,835
Date: 15 May 2005, Event: Irish Film Board promotion, Cannes, Est time in air: 200 minutes, Cost: €26,297
Date: 30 Aug 2005, Event: Funeral service of Lady Beit, London, Est time in air: 90 minutes, Cost: €11,835
Date: 19 Sept 2005, Event: EU sports ministers' meeting, London, Est time in air: 90 minutes, Cost: €11,835
Date: 15 Nov 2005, Event: World Travel Market, Liverpool, Est time in air: 100 minutes, Cost: €13,149
Total: 1,360 minutes est time in air and cost €178,680
Gulfstream average hourly cost: €7,890
Source: http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/sep/13/dear-john-sorry-were-still-following-the-money/
Jeasus! And then they tell us to cut down on our carbon number!
LOL It would be laughable if it was not to serious! Holy crap!0 -
let not forget the small issue for his state car being stopped by garda donig 200kph:eek: bringing himself and his wife from a football match.......this donkey has no shame and shows total disrespect for the people of ireland.the only people he felt he had to apolgise to are his mates in the dail.good to see our celtic tiger money was well spent.fair pay to the papers for keeping the pressure on this low life!0
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Jesus wept, I'm nearly putting the PC through the window with anger reading this.0
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no point getting angry my friend over this ..i think you will find that "one" was "entitled" to this sort of treatment but "one felt slightly embarrassed when one found out the cost entailed,however one never personally profited from this travel":rolleyes:DublinWriter wrote: »Jesus wept, I'm nearly putting the PC through the window with anger reading this.0 -
Yeah, but cut John some slack. He didn't personally benefit and he did write a letter explaining the issue to the Dail members:rolleyes:
I know you're being sarcastic but the worse thing is, he did benefit from all of this! If there isn't a benefit in staying in 5* hotels and flying first class then why bother doing it ? The cheek of the fella to try and claim he didn't know how much it cost. He is the beneficiary here, not in terms of money but he benefited from the luxury of it all.0 -
really really hope the media stay on this topic. If in two months time he is still in his high seat then i am totally giving up on Irish politics.0
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Enda Kenny is to ask his party to raise the new relevations about O'Donoghue's expenses with the Oireachtas Commission. Who is the Chairman? - John O'Donoghue. Surely, if the commission investigate, there would be a clear conflict of interest and O'Donoghue would have to stand down.
[url]Http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/fine-gael-want-odonoghue-expense-allegations-investigated-427087.html[/url]0 -
maynooth_rules wrote: »really really hope the media stay on this topic. If in two months time he is still in his high seat then i am totally giving up on Irish politics.
Well one has to wonder, what exactly do you have to do to be disgraced enough to resign ? In Fianna Fail it's like squander millions and millions on silly voting machines and then this kinda thing... all this stuff doesn't seem to phase them that much. They just batten down the hatches and weather the storm until the next crisis.
Is it not bad that Kenny and his Fine Gael party seem happy to leave this at O'Donoghue's letter?deadhead13 wrote: »Enda Kenny is to ask his party to raise the new relevations about O'Donoghue's expenses with the Oireachtas Commission. Who is the Chairman? - John O'Donoghue. Surely, if the commission investigate, there would be a clear conflict of interest and O'Donoghue would have to stand down.
[url]Http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/fine-gael-want-odonoghue-expense-allegations-investigated-427087.html[/url]
Oh, I see.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eycwqlauidql/rss2/
Well, there's a big difference between asking for something to be investigated and asking someone to resign. The Ceann Comhairle isn't just a FF rep. it's supposed to be impartial and needs the consent of a majority because all the TDs vote on it. So if FG and Labour (and presumably SF and some ind.) asked for him to resign, he'd really have to as that's a sizeable number of people who voted for him.
What's to investigate anyway ? Looks like the Tribune have investigated everything for us!0 -
Alan Rouge wrote: »Well one has to wonder, what exactly do you have to do to be disgraced enough to resign ? In Fianna Fail it's like squander millions and millions on silly voting machines and then this kinda thing... all this stuff doesn't seem to phase them that much. They just batten down the hatches and weather the storm until the next crisis.
Is it not bad that Kenny and his Fine Gael party seem happy to leave this at O'Donoghue's letter?
Oh, I see.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eycwqlauidql/rss2/
Well, there's a big difference between asking for something to be investigated and asking someone to resign. The Ceann Comhairle isn't just a FF rep. it's supposed to be impartial and needs the consent of a majority because all the TDs vote on it. So if FG and Labour (and presumably SF and some ind.) asked for him to resign, he'd really have to as that's a sizeable number of people who voted for him.
What's to investigate anyway ? Looks like the Tribune have investigated everything for us!
exactly all parties in Ireland showing they don't want the gravy train to end, they just want their turn!!
Not acceptable when spending tax payers money lads. Reform is required, hope the media keep covering it too. This is ridiculous and unacceptable especially given the current state of government finances.
How anyone thinks this guy can credible stay in office is beyond me. Its so obvious he should resign his position. No shame and people need to give up on the attitude that nothing will happen on this issue, this must force change!
If you say that nothing will happen then you are encouraging that bull outcome from this. Its as bad as condoning it TBH.0 -
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...Not acceptable when spending tax payers money lads. Reform is required, hope the media keep covering it too. This is ridiculous and unacceptable especially given the current state of government finances.
How anyone thinks this guy can credible stay in office is beyond me. Its so obvious he should resign his position. No shame and people need to give up on the attitude that nothing will happen on this issue, this must force change!
I agree but sadly the sheep won't revolt and the crooks will continue to exploit the public till they do and thats the heart of the matter.0 -
What makes people very angry is that the present government appear to be laughing at us – the little people.
You only have to observe the likes of Michael Martin who has to be the greatest waffler ever. He says loads and yet says nothing and when he’s asked about the likes of O’Donoghue he grins – watch him the next time. Same goes for Martin Cullen, Dick Roche, Dermot Ahern and of course Mary O’Rourke who really is well past her sell-by date. They are all grinning and laughing, why? because they know no matter what, a great chunk of the Irish voting public will vote them back in again and again. That’s the sad part!0 -
The media have done their job as far as I'm concerned. The Tribune have given the public all the information they need. What more can the media do if the people won't act on the (sensational) information they already have?maynooth_rules wrote: »really really hope the media stay on this topic. If in two months time he is still in his high seat then i am totally giving up on Irish politics.
The people need to march on the Dail and wait there until he walks out the door. This is the simple truth. Otherwise they (all the TDs) will just weather the storm and carry on fleecing us of our hard earned money.0 -
They should perform an opinion poll on whether the public think he should resign at least.
The people can't march on the dail every other day of the week. I don't think we should be expected to walk on the dail everytime something comes up in order to get the government acting in our interest. That is not a functioning democracy. We elected representatives, why aren't they representing us?0 -
The bit in bold is actually the case. Ireland would appear not to have a functioning democracy because the opposition doesn't seem to oppose the fleecing of the taxpayer in expenses.They should perform an opinion poll on whether the public think he should resign at least.
The people can't march on the dail every other day of the week. I don't think we should be expected to walk on the dail everytime something comes up in order to get the government acting in our interest. That is not a functioning democracy. We elected representatives, why aren't they representing us?
I wouldn't say that the general public has EVER marched on the Dail in my lifetime. Special interest groups have and will but when have the general public done it to protest at the actions of the Dail in general?0 -
what about the issue raised in the sunday world today about him destroying the carreer of a garda who caught him(his driver:rolleyes:) doing 120mph on the way back fom a football match...this guy has a serious ego and conciders himself untouchable .mary harney could not find 10 million for a cancer vaccine but this clown can blow 500k (tax free) ina few years fluting around the world!disgrace hang your head in shame0
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what about the issue raised in the sunday world today about him destroying the carreer of a garda who caught him(his driver:rolleyes:) doing 120mph on the way back fom a football match.
As Justice Minister in 2000, O'Donoghue issues a statement calling for zero tolerence on motoring offences. He also orders a special safety patrol car to enforce this policy. The new patrol car pulls over a motorist doing 120 mph. It just so happens that the car that was stopped was John O'Donoghue's State Mercedes. As you can imagine a very embrassing situation. The Garda claimed the Minister was in the passenger seat, while O'Donoghue later counter-claimed it wasn't him but instead a family member. A claim repeated in the Dail. Could this be a "on mature recollection" moment for O'Donoghue?0 -
its all a big joke to the lads at our expense.dick roche is well known to be a golfing buddy of seanie fitz ,how can he look after the public interest with mates like thatWhat makes people very angry is that the present government appear to be laughing at us – the little people.
You only have to observe the likes of Michael Martin who has to be the greatest waffler ever. He says loads and yet says nothing and when he’s asked about the likes of O’Donoghue he grins – watch him the next time. Same goes for Martin Cullen, Dick Roche, Dermot Ahern and of course Mary O’Rourke who really is well past her sell-by date. They are all grinning and laughing, why? because they know no matter what, a great chunk of the Irish voting public will vote them back in again and again. That’s the sad part!0 -
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Any sign of him at Croke Park yesterday or is he keeping a low profile outside Kerry?0
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