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Ratholing in card clubs

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  • 27-07-2009 10:25pm
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    stevire
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    There are a couple of card clubs that have plenty of regs that are constantly "going south" or ratholing after they build up a stack. As far as im aware its prohibited in every card club yet the players constantly get away with it.

    A lot of the players seem to think that it's standard to do it. I hate to see it and think it can ruin the etquitte of the game and lowers the standard. The players know what's going on, the card club knows whats going on so why isn't there anything done about it? Its the opposing players and the card club that lose out with money being taken from the table and the player still sitting.

    I've seen it myself occasionally but never wanted to make a scene so just kept my mouth shut.... What are people's opinions on this?


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    thedini
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭thedini


    prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it. will leave this here but I misundertood what op meant, of course you can't do it and you should never be left back near the table.


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    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    rothling lol, is it not known as rat holing?


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    steoin
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭steoin


    thedini wrote: »
    prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it.

    eh no on 2 counts its not their money the money belongs to the table and is only theirs once they leave the table and no they cant do what they like with it


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    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    thedini wrote: »
    prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it.

    Are you serious? you better not be


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    a-k-47
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    bad etiquette imo..


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    thedini
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭thedini


    RichieLawlor wrote: »
    Are you serious? you better not be
    no misunderstood what he meant of course you can't do it.


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    Whyno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Whyno


    Shower of d1ckheaads only do this..its nt der money til its cashed out...


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    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Whyno wrote: »
    Shower of d1ckheaads only do this..its nt der money til its cashed out...

    Yeah it's particularly annoying when a fish puts a beat on you and you could easily win it back but he cashes it out and takes the money from the table.

    I've seen it happen a lot in the main clubs in Dublin and they need to clamp down on it. It's even easier to rathole on some sites online!


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    steoin
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭steoin


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    Yeah it's particularly annoying when a fish puts a beat on you and you could easily win it back but he cashes it out and takes the money from the table.

    I've seen it happen a lot in the main clubs in Dublin and they need to clamp down on it. It's even easier to rathole on some sites online!

    have u misunderstood what he was saying by any chance? ie taking money out of play and pocketing it


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    Irish Iron
    Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Irish Iron


    is this the same as rabbit hunting (looking at what cards were coming next) ?


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    Slash/ED
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    I thought ratholing was playing a short stack in a cash game...

    Where is this allowed? I've never seen it allowed anywhere but I can only speak of Dublin


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    steoin
    Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭steoin


    Slash/ED wrote: »
    I thought ratholing was playing a short stack in a cash game...

    Where is this allowed? I've never seen it allowed anywhere but I can only speak of Dublin

    Not allowed anywhere but it does happen especially some1 after a few,not playing long etc


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    BobSloane
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    Ratholing is prison slang for smuggling or hiding items in the rectum, apparently


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    dannydiamond
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    Ratholing is the practice of taking money off the table. Apparently another less-common phrase used to describe this practice is "going south" (seen during season two of High Stakes Poker). Standard poker rules forbid ratholing, and most casinos will enforce this prohibition. Virtually all poker is played at table stakes, meaning that only money on the table at the start of a hand is in play and subject to being wagered. Ratholing is taken seriously, especially in no-limit and pot-limit games, because it deprives opponents of the opportunity to win back money lost to the ratholer.

    Online poker makes it somewhat easier to rathole, but some sites (such as PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker) will force a player who leaves a no-limit table to buy in for the same amount if reseated within a set time limit.

    http://poker.wikia.com/wiki/Ratholing


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    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    steoin wrote: »
    have u misunderstood what he was saying by any chance? ie taking money out of play and pocketing it

    No haven't misunderstood. I've seen players taking money out of play and giving to a friend or runner to cash out for him while still playing at the table.


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    corkie123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭corkie123


    ratholing going south two lovely ways of saying that people are palming money off table and still playing in game which does not give a person a chance of getting it back .

    personally i dont mind a person leaving when they want but not going south and if i see it happen i get them to put it back on table also i seen few people leave for half hr then come back to put in less than they left with that i would not allow as well .


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    #18
    5starpool
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    Binning chips is not allowed anywhere over here afaik, and I have seen people removed from tables for it, and heard of barrings for persistent offenders, but not too often.


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    Slash/ED
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Slash/ED


    If you're at the table then kick up a fuss and don't let it happen, if that doesn't work don't play in that club ever again and name and shame them


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    Icarus152
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    BobSloane wrote: »
    Ratholing is prison slang for smuggling or hiding items in the rectum, apparently

    It is most certainly frowned upon to hide things in your rectum during a game.It is in Waterford anyway,maybe dublin is a bit more bohemian when it comes to these things.


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    El Stuntman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭El Stuntman


    Icarus152 wrote: »
    It is most certainly frowned upon to hide things in your rectum during a game.It is in Waterford anyway,maybe dublin is a bit more bohemian when it comes to these things.

    I would like to know this practice came to be frowned upon in the Deise

    full details please, spare no blushes


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    pocketdooz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭pocketdooz


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    No haven't misunderstood. I've seen players taking money out of play and giving to a friend or runner to cash out for him while still playing at the table.

    Where?

    I've seen it happen once in the Fitz and once in the Emporium.

    Both times the player in question was pulled up on it.

    One was a degen and the other was a total newbie who was trying to give money to a friend and didn't know it was not allowed.

    Besides that I've never seen it . . .


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    #23
    YULETIRED
    Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭YULETIRED


    A cousin of mine goes Ratholing,
    A cousin of hers loves Joe Dolan


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    ianmc38
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    Isnt ratholing buying in short?


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    insomniak
    Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭insomniak


    isn't ratholing where the gays exchange hamsters for rats?


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    #26
    Samba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    I played in a room where they had a very simple solution to this, dealer made a rough chip count before you left...


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    strewelpeter
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭strewelpeter


    I thought ratholing was leaving the table after building a stack and moving to a different table (online), or to a different casino (live). Makes more sense as a phrase IMO

    You do see people moving from one room to another in Dublin and it makes sense whether you are up or down - who wants to be sitting at the main table with some of the better players when the droolers are fighting with each other to give away their money.


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    jem
    Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭jem


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    Yeah it's particularly annoying when a fish puts a beat on you and you could easily win it back but he cashes it out and takes the money from the table.

    I've seen it happen a lot in the main clubs in Dublin and they need to clamp down on it. It's even easier to rathole on some sites online!
    I would point out I have never done it BUT
    It may be annoying to have some one win money from you and you dont get a chance to win it back - tough. it was your money, you wagered it, you lost, he won, his money now.
    He is intitled to leave the table when ever he likes. otherwise everyone would have to stay at the table until all were level with what they brought to the table. Some times you win some times you lose, thats poker and life.
    I dont agree with slipping money off the table while playing its bad form, but leaving when you want its everyone's choice.


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    Tony_Montana
    Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Tony_Montana


    Totally totally wrong and should never be allowed. Swapping tables is fine IMO but should never happen at the same table


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    gman127
    Registered Users Posts: 630 ✭✭✭gman127


    thedini wrote: »
    prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it.

    They most certainly cannot!
    Any money on the table must stay there to be played with as long as the player is.
    a-k-47 wrote: »
    bad etiquette imo..

    Not just an etiquette issue, completely against the rules
    Slash/ED wrote: »
    If you're at the table then kick up a fuss and don't let it happen, if that doesn't work don't play in that club ever again and name and shame them

    Agree 100%. Card room managers cant track hand by hand how much each person has, also difficult for the dealer to follow; so if you see someone pocket chips or 'go south' with them bring to attention immediately and it WILL be sorted out.
    If it isn't then your playing in a dodgy card room i'm afraid and time to get out imo!


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    thedini
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭thedini


    gman127 wrote: »
    They most certainly cannot!
    Any money on the table must stay there to be played with as long as the player is.

    did you fail to read the rest of the sentence?


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