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Help, Please! New Gun & Poor FPS Rating Problems
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My god,
this is the first I've seen of this thread. If thats exactly what they have told you is the reasoning behind the low power then they are most certainly blowing smoke up your hole. From a technical point of view, that has to be the most impossible and insulting excuse i've seen yet,
50 quid to open a gearbox is a little excessive too, the average is usually in the 25-30 depending on the gun and difficulty of the job.
I'd ring them up if i was you and explain the situation, dont be fobbed off with technical jargon about spring tension or whatever. There is no way your gun is performing as its supposed to and a spring will not find power magically.
If ya dont get anywhere with that then take tony up on his offer.
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My god,
this is the first I've seen of this thread. If thats exactly what they have told you is the reasoning behind the low power then they are most certainly blowing smoke up your hole. From a technical point of view, that has to be the most impossible and insulting excuse i've seen yet,
50 quid to open a gearbox is a little excessive too, the average is usually in the 25-30 depending on the gun and difficulty of the job.
I'd ring them up if i was you and explain the situation, dont be fobbed off with technical jargon about spring tension or whatever. There is no way your gun is performing as its supposed to and a spring will not find power magically.
If ya dont get anywhere with that then take tony up on his offer.
Yeah, that response didn't really sit well with me.
So how much would I normally be looking at for installing a replacement spring?0 -
On average a gun overhaul would be about 25-30 i would imagine. the Beta is one of the easier ones so 25 would be a good guess. then you'd be talking the price of a spring which would be 10-15 quid id say.
I would wonder if your gun actually needs a spring though, its quite unusual to have a spring as low a power as you have described. in most cases of low power like you describe, the cause is often a bad leak even a hole drilled in the cylinder.
Id take tony up on the offer if ya dont get anywhere with them though,
its unlikely to cost you anything and even at the most it would be 15 quid. 0 -
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So, dropped down to Eirsoft to hand over the gun for Tony and the lads to work on. I got loads of information and great service. Can't wait to see what they can do with it.
My only complaint was that it took me ages of driving around to find them!
Thanks again, guys!0 -
Hiya man
As it turned out, your cylinder had be reversed so that the vent was right up at the front. this meant you had only about 5-10mm of compression since the air could get out the vent until the piston passed it. It was rebuilt and chrono'd at 312fps this morning.
your spring was the run of the mil type in most clone guns and as expected, there was no such pretensioning or compression diggery wotsits going on.0 -
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by permanent, i meant it's unchangeable - so you need to replace your cylinder, covering it with a tape is just temporary fix and lasts until the tape last. and i obviously agree it's lazy and unprofessional approach
beside all those tiny metal chips land inside a cylinder damaging piston after awhile...I will visit a retailer on Monday 0 -
by permanent, i meant it's unchangeable - so you need to replace your cylinder, covering it with a tape is just temporary fix and lasts until the tape last. and i obviously agree it's lazy and unprofessional approach beside all those tiny metal chips land inside a cylinder damaging piston after awhile...I will visit a retailer on Monday
You can flip the cylinder if its not ported, fill the hole with quicksteel or chem metal, you can get a patch thing that adheres to most surfaces that can all be done to undo the "downgrade" so it is in no way permanent.
Besides all that, having a gearbox pull a 400fps spring when it only needs to pull a 300 is going to cut the life of the insides of your gun short unecessarily.0 -
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Hiya man
As it turned out, your cylinder had be reversed so that the vent was right up at the front. this meant you had only about 5-10mm of compression since the air could get out the vent until the piston passed it. It was rebuilt and chrono'd at 312fps this morning.
your spring was the run of the mil type in most clone guns and as expected, there was no such pretensioning or compression diggery wotsits going on.
Thanks very much guys! I really appreciate all the help you've given me.
The gun is much quieter now, too. It has a nice snap and the gearbox is very quiet. I can't wait to get a silencer on this thing!
Thanks again, guys!0 -
by permanent, i meant it's unchangeable - so you need to replace your cylinder, covering it with a tape is just temporary fix and lasts until the tape last. and i obviously agree it's lazy and unprofessional approach beside all those tiny metal chips land inside a cylinder damaging piston after awhile...I will visit a retailer on Monday
But the problem is that most guns nowadays, with the obvious exception of TM gear, are firing at about 350fps out of the box at least, and that includes clones and high ends. If retailers were to pay for spring changes in every gun they import, you'd see the cost of guns skyrocketing. Its all well and good getting an Asian supplier to downgrade a few guns on small orders, but when you're taking in 300 or 400 guns per order, its just not feasible to downgrade springs. Even if the retailer could afford to swallow the extra costs, the time it would take would rule it out - its hard enough getting stock as it is sometimes. Bleeding out air is the only cost effective way. If its done properly its quick, effective and relatively inconsequential.
I tried making the point with one of my suppliers than since I import so much, perhaps its in their interest to run off batches with MS90 springs to keep my custom, and I was politely told that no matter how big we in Ireland think our airsoft industry is, we barely register as a blip on the radar of airsoft as a whole. A humbling conversation, so it was 0 -
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People who know me would say:Well you would agree wouldn't you..But the problem is that most guns nowadays, with the obvious exception of TM gear, are firing at about 350fps out of the box at least, and that includes clones and high ends. If retailers were to pay for spring changes in every gun they import, you'd see the cost of guns skyrocketing. Its all well and good getting an Asian supplier to downgrade a few guns on small orders, but when you're taking in 300 or 400 guns per order, its just not feasible to downgrade springs. Even if the retailer could afford to swallow the extra costs, the time it would take would rule it out - its hard enough getting stock as it is sometimes. Bleeding out air is the only cost effective way. If its done properly its quick, effective and relatively inconsequential.
I tried making the point with one of my suppliers than since I import so much, perhaps its in their interest to run off batches with MS90 springs to keep my custom, and I was politely told that no matter how big we in Ireland think our airsoft industry is, we barely register as a blip on the radar of airsoft as a whole. A humbling conversation, so it was
and i do very strongly!0 -
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that's good point, but if they want to take shorter and easier path they should at least check the guns after drilling each hole, not drilling three to find out that it's chronoed at .5 or .6JBut the problem is that most guns nowadays, with the obvious exception of TM gear, are firing at about 350fps out of the box at least, and that includes clones and high ends. If retailers were to pay for spring changes in every gun they import, you'd see the cost of guns skyrocketing. Its all well and good getting an Asian supplier to downgrade a few guns on small orders, but when you're taking in 300 or 400 guns per order, its just not feasible to downgrade springs. Even if the retailer could afford to swallow the extra costs, the time it would take would rule it out - its hard enough getting stock as it is sometimes. Bleeding out air is the only cost effective way. If its done properly its quick, effective and relatively inconsequential.
I tried making the point with one of my suppliers than since I import so much, perhaps its in their interest to run off batches with MS90 springs to keep my custom, and I was politely told that no matter how big we in Ireland think our airsoft industry is, we barely register as a blip on the radar of airsoft as a whole. A humbling conversation, so it was
rules are strict enough i think0 -
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thats a pretty common one with the Beta Spetz, its caused by the flexibility of the selector plate and the wobble between the selector parts.
Thanks. So I should replace the selector plate and what else?
I did notice some vertical play on the gear in the selector system that is screwed in (unfortunately I don't know the technical term for many of the parts yet).0 -
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