pulled by park ranger

blondie7

i was driving through the phoenix park today and the park ranger came up behind me and flashed his lights at me so i pulled in thinking he wanted to overtake me for some urgent reason but he pulled up in front of me and got out of the jeep. he came up to my window and started saying he had to do 65kmp to catch up with me and said the speed limit was 50kmp. he took out his black book (the same ones the gaurds have) and took my reg number and asked me for my name and address. i refused to give him any details as he is not a gaurd and i dont think im obliged in any way to give him any detais about me! i told him if he was so great then do a PULSE check on my reg and he would find out who i am. he replied he was giving this information over to cabra garda station and i told him to do what he likes as they cant summons me without proof that i was in fact breaking the speed limit.

the park rangers are only OPW workers and surely to god have no authority to pull anyone over for speeding, its the same thing as me pulling over any other person for speeding on a public road! has anyone else ever been stoped by the park ranger for something similar??

Gary ITR

blondie7 wrote: »

i was driving through the phoenix park today and the park ranger came up behind me and flashed his lights at me so i pulled in thinking he wanted to overtake me for some urgent reason but he pulled up in front of me and got out of the jeep. he came up to my window and started saying he had to do 65kmp to catch up with me and said the speed limit was 50kmp. he took out his black book (the same ones the gaurds have) and took my reg number and asked me for my name and address. i refused to give him any details as he is not a gaurd and i dont think im obliged in any way to give him any detais about me! i told him if he was so great then do a PULSE check on my reg and he would find out who i am. he replied he was giving this information over to cabra garda station and i told him to do what he likes as they cant summons me without proof that i was in fact breaking the speed limit.

the park rangers are only OPW workers and surely to god have no authority to pull anyone over for speeding, its the same thing as me pulling over any other person for speeding on a public road! has anyone else ever been stoped by the park ranger for something similar??

Jobsworth tbh.

If he wants to give your details to the guards all he needs is your reg. Also he admitted to doing 65 to catch up with you? You should report him for speeding

Berty

Clippidy Clop Clippidy Clop. Hear them coming?

I had some Bord Failte employee try to tell me I could not stop on the side of the road by the Cliffs of Moher to answer the phone. I asked him what authority he had and he said in a booming theatrical voice " I am empowered by Clare County Council to ticket and cars parked on these roads".

I kept inching backwards and forwards to p*ss him off.

I was also annoyed he interrupted my phone call.

bladebrew

wont somebody please think of the deer:eek:


he cant just give your reg number to the gardai and expect them to ticket you for speeding,as you say he has no proof!!

Senna

Onkle wrote: »

Also he admitted to doing 65 to catch up with you? You should report him for speeding

Had a garda say he had to do 80mph to catch up with me, i said "well you were traveling in the opposite direction and turned back to follow me, of course you had to drive a lot faster than me to catch up", he couldn't argue and i just though it was the stupidest comment a garda could make. What has his speed "to catch up" got to do with the speed i was doing.

blondie7

im fumming with myself that i didnt take his name and reg number and report him for impersonating gaurd!!

mick.fr

Not a reason to do 65 Kmh in Phoenix Park though if I may comment.
There are kids etc.

Those guards are also here to insure the security of the public in the park.

Bazzy

I know what i'd have told him. Jobsworth is an understatement bet ya he watched dog the bounty hunter !!!

Our man in Havana

They have no statutory authourity to enforce traffic laws. That is what the Gardaí are for.

Robbo

Perhaps he pulled you on suspicion of having stolen a Pic-a-nic basket?

Alun

Bond-007 wrote: »

They have no statutory authourity to enforce traffic laws. That is what the Gardaí are for.

Is the road through the Phoenix Park a public road? Could park bye-laws not apply here? Just thinking aloud.

Jumpy

Robbo wrote: »

Perhaps he pulled you on suspicion of having stolen a Pic-a-nic basket?

Ho ho! Smarda dan de aver-age bear.

miju

Alun wrote: »

Is the road through the Phoenix Park a public road? Could park bye-laws not apply here? Just thinking aloud.

the only authority they have is regards to denying access to commercial vehicles as quoted below in the Phoenix Park bye laws. They have zero authority to stop a vehicle like they did and quite frankly that park ranger is lucky the OP didnt take it further as he'd find himself in quite a bit of trouble on a few front there:


4. (1) Save with the permission in writing of the Commissioners no vehicle other than vehicles used solely for the conveyance of passengers (not including omnibuses or charabanes) shall be admitted to the Park.

mick.fr wrote: »

Not a reason to do 65 Kmh in Phoenix Park though if I may comment.

There are kids etc.



Those guards are also here to insure the security of the public in the park.

regardless of which , they are not entitled to act the vigilante in the manner they did.

Random

OP - there can't be too many park rangers let alone loads working at the same time. Find out who's department they fall over and give a call.

DublinWriter

I've seen them go a bit 'militant' since they got their new fleet about a year ago.

I think they lost their original powers of arrest in the park in the 1950's.

Even so, 65kph? Take it easy, OP, think of the kids, deer, dogs, doggers, jogging guards, etc.

Slumlion

blondie7 wrote: »

i was driving through the phoenix park today and the park ranger came up behind me and flashed his lights at me so i pulled in thinking he wanted to overtake me for some urgent reason but he pulled up in front of me and got out of the jeep. he came up to my window and started saying he had to do 65kmp to catch up with me and said the speed limit was 50kmp. he took out his black book (the same ones the gaurds have) and took my reg number and asked me for my name and address. i refused to give him any details as he is not a gaurd and i dont think im obliged in any way to give him any detais about me! i told him if he was so great then do a PULSE check on my reg and he would find out who i am. he replied he was giving this information over to cabra garda station and i told him to do what he likes as they cant summons me without proof that i was in fact breaking the speed limit.

the park rangers are only OPW workers and surely to god have no authority to pull anyone over for speeding, its the same thing as me pulling over any other person for speeding on a public road! has anyone else ever been stoped by the park ranger for something similar??

Good girl.
Maybe he taught you were hot and wanted to stalk you?

NilByMouth

DublinWriter wrote: »

ITake it easy, OP, think of the kids, deer, dogs, doggers, jogging guards, etc.

:eek:was the OP near the holy cross car park?

polyfusion

Slumlion wrote: »

Good girl.
Maybe he taught you were hot and wanted to stalk you?

That's what I thought when I read the title. Wondering what park rangers have that the rest of us don't. Did he have a big gun? Cool wheels?

Solitaire

DublinWriter wrote:

Even so, 65kph? Take it easy, OP, think of the kids, deer, dogs, doggers, jogging guards, etc.

Umm...

If Dog The Bounty Hunter here managed to catch up at 65kph it stands to reason that Blondie was going slower than 65kph :P

Either that or the laws of physics really don't apply in Phoenix after all :pac:

Anan1

mick.fr wrote: »

Not a reason to do 65 Kmh in Phoenix Park though if I may comment.
There are kids etc.

Those guards are also here to insure the security of the public in the park.

+1, whatever about the legal position I have zero sympathy for the OP. It's a park, FFS.

Random

You're a little on your high horse here though aren't you? The main point the OP is trying to make (from what I can see) is the actions of the park ranger. So what if they were doing a million miles an hour?

DamoRed

Slumlion wrote: »

Good girl.
Maybe he taught you were hot and wanted to stalk you?

Oh dear!

Drummerboy08

Just to point out - the OP was doing an indicated 65kmph. That could be anywhere from 55 to 60.

Hardly gonna win the park races this year, is it?

On a different note, i'd have followed him around until you spotted a Garda car, and then reported him for Impersonation. Tell them you thought he was the Phoenix Park Axe Murderer.

Anan1

Random wrote: »

You're a little on your high horse here though aren't you? The main point the OP is trying to make (from what I can see) is the actions of the park ranger. So what if they were doing a million miles an hour?

On this point the OP may well be correct. If a cyclist or a jogger or a walker or a child had threatened to report her, they may not have been on solid legal ground either. But we live in a very strange world if pointing out that speeding through parks is wrong qualifies as being on ones high horse.

Johnny Utah

Was he wearing his hat?

kravmaga

blondie7 wrote: »

i was driving through the phoenix park today and the park ranger came up behind me and flashed his lights at me so i pulled in thinking he wanted to overtake me for some urgent reason but he pulled up in front of me and got out of the jeep. he came up to my window and started saying he had to do 65kmp to catch up with me and said the speed limit was 50kmp. he took out his black book (the same ones the gaurds have) and took my reg number and asked me for my name and address. i refused to give him any details as he is not a gaurd and i dont think im obliged in any way to give him any detais about me! i told him if he was so great then do a PULSE check on my reg and he would find out who i am. he replied he was giving this information over to cabra garda station and i told him to do what he likes as they cant summons me without proof that i was in fact breaking the speed limit.

the park rangers are only OPW workers and surely to god have no authority to pull anyone over for speeding, its the same thing as me pulling over any other person for speeding on a public road! has anyone else ever been stoped by the park ranger for something similar??

Forget about the behaviour of the Park WARDEN.

Lets stick to the meat, were ou speeding or not????

In fairness if you speed in the Park you speed on the public road also.

I'd say he was just trying to give you a fright.

You need to moderate your driving behaviour , see Road Safety Authority.

And as a previous poster mentioned, Joggers, Cyclists, Walkers, not to mention the Deer.

Our man in Havana

Time to stable those horses.

kdevitt

You are subject to bye laws when you enter the park - and he's entitled to pull you over.

'Drivers of vehicles in the Park shall comply with the provisions of these bye-laws and shall conform to such orders for the regulation of traffic in the Park as may be given by any member of the Gárda Síochána or any park constable or contained in any notice by the Commissioners exhibited in the Park.'

I presume he's more than entitled to pull you over based on this provision. Theres also a maximum fine of 5 pounds!!

ardmacha

i told him to do what he likes as they cant summons me without proof that i was in fact breaking the speed limit

Why not. They can summons you to court and the Warden can state that he followed you at a speed of 65kph or whatever.

Drummerboy08

TBH, I wouldnt have pulled over for anything other than a Garda car. There's too many wierdo's and people out there who seem to be completely blind an mistakenly shoot someone in the face, only to realise its the wrong person*.

I'd have left him behind me, he can flash his lights all he wants.

*Slightly OTT.

Zonda999

kdevitt wrote: »

I presume he's more than entitled to pull you over based on this provision. Theres also a maximum fine of 5 pounds!!

€6.37, :eek:

niceirishfella

Maybe you upset the Rangers Dogging Session with your drive through speed OP?

Gregor Samsa

http://www.phoenixpark.ie/about/phoenixparkbyelaws/

14. All members of the public should comply with any lawful instruction given to them by a Park Ranger;

16. All motorists must adhere to the speed limit of 30 km.

You'd want to check the full bye laws of the park to be sure, but he may have been within his powers judging by the above. Now the OP did say they were told the limit was 50km/h, so maybe the above is nonsense.

also, who knew playing frisbee in the park needed the permission of the Park Superintendent? :eek:

(on a side note, can we have the words "high horse" erased from the English language? They seem to be trotted out [pun intended] every time someone disagrees with someone else, but can't be bothered coming up with a coherent argument)

bazzachazza

he came up to my window and started saying he had to do 65kmp to catch up with me and said the speed limit was 50kmp

Read again he Said he had to do 65k to CATCH up, my reading of that is OP was not doing 65k probably slower.

Our man in Havana

park constable

There have no been any constables in this country since 1921 when the RIC packed their bags and headed north.

veetwin

I think the point of the OP was that he was stopped by a park ranger who alleged he was doing 65kph. It doesn't matter whether he was doing 65 or 165. That's not the point. Anyway how in the hell did the park ranger know what speed he was doing. Also what legal authority did he have to stop the OP.

VolvoMan

Anan1 wrote: »

+1, whatever about the legal position I have zero sympathy for the OP. It's a park, FFS.

Anan1 wrote: »

On this point the OP may well be correct. If a cyclist or a jogger or a walker or a child had threatened to report her, they may not have been on solid legal ground either. But we live in a very strange world if pointing out that speeding through parks is wrong qualifies as being on ones high horse.

Why is it that some people never miss an opportunity to try and show off their political correctness?:rolleyes:

And I suppose you've never once broken the speed limit either, Anan1? The OP probably knows that she was driving too fast, FFS. What we're discussing here is power hungry dipsticks who have no right to take actions that are only reserved for the Gardai that we pay to do so.

Solitaire

veetwin wrote:

Anyway how in the hell did the park ranger know what speed he was doing.

Because he looked at his own speedo and randomly attributed this speed to the vehicle he was pursuing regardless of the laws of physics regarding relative velocity!

Guy:Incognito

blondie7 wrote: »

im fumming with myself that i didnt take his name and reg number and report him for impersonating gaurd!!

How exactly did he impsonate a member of the Gardai? I assume you'd have mentioned that he pretended to be a Gard in your OP if he did.

towel401

mick.fr wrote: »

Not a reason to do 65 Kmh in Phoenix Park though if I may comment.
There are kids etc.

Those guards are also here to insure the security of the public in the park.

oh ffs I can walk faster than that!

get off my lawn and stop ruining people's fun.

Hagar

I was expecting something entirely different when I read the thread title. Happily I was wrong.

miju

Stekelly wrote: »

How exactly did he impsonate a member of the Gardai? I assume you'd have mentioned that he pretended to be a Gard in your OP if he did.

I think what the OP meant was the "warden or ranger" or whatever was insinutating he had power of gardai etc to issue summons for speeding and fllashing lights to pull people over etc.

In other words behaving like he was a Garda when in actual fact he was nothing more than a simple civilian with no authority over the OP what so ever.

And people have been prosecuted before for doing exactly what the ranger / warden done btw

Guy:Incognito

miju wrote: »

I think what the OP meant was the "warden or ranger" or whatever was insinutating he had power of gardai etc to issue summons for speeding and fllashing lights to pull people over etc.

"Report him for impersonating a Gard " implies the actual offence.

miju

Stekelly wrote: »

"Report him for impersonating a Gard " implies the actual offence.

all I'm gonna say to that is that Im VERY sure the OP knows what she's talking about here

robbie99

phutyle wrote: »

http://www.phoenixpark.ie/about/phoenixparkbyelaws/

16. All motorists must adhere to the speed limit of 30 km.

30km is a distance not a speed

Hanley

ardmacha wrote: »

Why not. They can summons you to court and the Warden can state that he followed you at a speed of 65kph or whatever.

Yah... that's standing up in court.

denat

blondie7 wrote: »

the park rangers are only OPW workers and surely to god have no authority to pull anyone over for speeding, its the same thing as me pulling over any other person for speeding on a public road! has anyone else ever been stoped by the park ranger for something similar??

Roads in the Phoenix Park are State property as opposed to public roads. Try speeeding or dodgy parking on Army property and you'll get exactly the same treatment - they'll warn you and if you're caught again they will call the Civil power ie the Guards.

VolvoMan

denat wrote: »

Roads in the Phoenix Park are State property as opposed to public roads. Try speeeding or dodgy parking on Army property and you'll get exactly the same treatment - they'll warn you and if you're caught again they will call the Civil power ie the Guards.

And that's what that park ranger should've done, and not take the law into his own hands like he did.

blondie7

Stekelly wrote: »

How exactly did he impsonate a member of the Gardai? I assume you'd have mentioned that he pretended to be a Gard in your OP if he did.

Stekelly wrote: »

"Report him for impersonating a Gard " implies the actual offence.

the correct spelling of is GAURD!

mick.fr wrote: »

Not a reason to do 65 Kmh in Phoenix Park though if I may comment.
There are kids etc.

Those guards are also here to insure the security of the public in the park.

sure i could still hit a kid doing 50kmp, and even if i did thats not my fault the kid was stupid enough to walk on the road and not the footpath! get off that high horse there! dont try to tell me you stick to the speed limits all the time! also speed limits are there to be broken

Hanley

blondie7 wrote: »

the correct spelling of is GAURD!



sure i could still hit a kid doing 50kmp, and even if i did thats not my fault the kid was stupid enough to walk on the road and not the footpath! get off that high horse there! dont try to tell me you stick to the speed limits all the time! also speed limits are there to be broken

Singular of Gardai = Garda?

bazzachazza

the correct spelling of is GAURD!

Oops should we try that one again.;)