Schumacher is back

kmart6 · 03-08-2009 3:24pm

FIA have blocked him testing this years car according to SSN!

Sherifu · 03-08-2009 4:06pm

http://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2009/0803/schumacherm.html

You suck Williams!

kmart6 · 03-08-2009 4:10pm

Pricks!

Although, you can see the point since Ferrari do have 2 test drivers who have driven the car!

enzo7 · 03-08-2009 4:21pm

ya thanks williams:mad:. They did make a fair point about that 19yr old (whats his name) didnt get to test either b4 bugapest. one of schueys strongests points is getting into a car he doesnt know and being right on the pace straight away, i think he'll be fine:).

BoardsRanger · 03-08-2009 4:38pm

enzo7 wrote: »

ya thanks williams:mad:. They did make a fair point about that 19yr old (whats his name) didnt get to test either b4 bugapest. one of schueys strongests points is getting into a car he doesnt know and being right on the pace straight away, i think he'll be fine:).

Yeah Frank does have a point regarding Alguersuari not being allowed to test either.
I would'nt be too worried however, Michael will get 80-100 laps of practice over the friday and saturday morning and that will be plenty of time for a driver with his talents to get used to the F60.

amacachi · 03-08-2009 4:45pm

BoardsRanger wrote: »

Just reading an interview with Massa http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&id=46540 and from the way he was talking it seems as if he thinks he will be in the car again this season. Surely F1 doctors wont allow a return this year?

If his only injury was a fractured skull then I can't see why he should be out all that long.

As others are saying it's a pity Schumi isn't being allowed test, but if Alguersuari get to do it then why should the best driver ever be allowed? :P

EvilMonkey · 03-08-2009 4:53pm

Frank has a point but why not tell the truth and say its because they are fighting Ferrari for 3rd in constructors championship and dont want to give them an advantage.
Did Torro Rosso ask for permission to give Alguesuari a test, no so its not the same.

Its great that Schumacher is back but I hope Massa is back before the end of the season.

Running Bing · 03-08-2009 10:14pm

amacachi wrote: »

If his only injury was a fractured skull then I can't see why he should be out all that long.

As others are saying it's a pity Schumi isn't being allowed test, but if Alguersuari get to do it then why should the best driver ever be allowed? :P

Fangio's coming back?:p

vectra · 03-08-2009 10:42pm

Running Bing wrote: »

Fangio's coming back?:p

Nope
Senna

muckwarrior · 03-08-2009 10:55pm

It's almost as if williams had a reason (or two) to not like schumacher :pac:

smooch71 · 04-08-2009 2:16pm

Does anyone else see the irony of all this?

Formula 1 needs to bring Michael Schumacher back to reignite interest in the sport. And fair play to ya Bernie, it's worked. The excitement over his return is like nothing I've seen before.

And who was it that drove all the "fans" away in the first place?

SCHUMACHER!!

But not me, huge Ferrari fan and huge Shuey fan. This is the best thing to happen to Formula 1 since Belgium in 1991.

Let's hope he beats the pants of that arsehole Hamilton.

Running Bing · 04-08-2009 2:37pm

smooch71 wrote: »

Does anyone else see the irony of all this?

Formula 1 needs to bring Michael Schumacher back to reignite interest in the sport. And fair play to ya Bernie, it's worked. The excitement over his return is like nothing I've seen before.

And who was it that drove all the "fans" away in the first place?

SCHUMACHER!!

But not me, huge Ferrari fan and huge Shuey fan. This is the best thing to happen to Formula 1 since Belgium in 1991.

Let's hope he beats the pants of that arsehole Hamilton.

I dont see any irony in it, the only people who think F1 lacks interest due to the fact Schumey left are Schumey fan boys.

If Alain Prost decided to come back tomorrow people would be excited as well....doesnt mean F1 died the day he left the cockpit.:rolleyes:

EvilMonkey · 04-08-2009 2:55pm

smooch71 wrote: »

Does anyone else see the irony of all this?

Formula 1 needs to bring Michael Schumacher back to reignite interest in the sport. And fair play to ya Bernie, it's worked. The excitement over his return is like nothing I've seen before.

And who was it that drove all the "fans" away in the first place?

SCHUMACHER!!

But not me, huge Ferrari fan and huge Shuey fan. This is the best thing to happen to Formula 1 since Belgium in 1991.

Let's hope he beats the pants of that arsehole Hamilton.

Whats it got to do with Bernie? I didn't know interest was fading, they have been increasing the TV numbers over the last few years. Maybe Ferrari need him to reignite Ferrari.
I doubt fans that Schumacher drove away are happy to see him back!

smooch71 · 04-08-2009 2:57pm

Running Bing wrote: »

I dont see any irony in it, the only people who think F1 lacks interest due to the fact Schumey left are Schumey fan boys.

If Alain Prost decided to come back tomorrow people would be excited as well....doesnt mean F1 died the day he left the cockpit.:rolleyes:

You're missing my point entirely. I never said F1 lacked interest since he left.

What I meant was that Schumachers dominance drove a lot of so called fans away.

And his return that has sparked unprecented interest. You don't see that as ironic at all?

smooch71 · 04-08-2009 3:28pm

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Whats it got to do with Bernie? I didn't know interest was fading, they have been increasing the TV numbers over the last few years. Maybe Ferrari need him to reignite Ferrari.
I doubt fans that Schumacher drove away are happy to see him back!

Schumachers dominance drove a lot of viewers away and the figures dropped when he was winning 5 titles in a row. That's fact.

But not his fault and perfectly normal.

The same thing has happened in the WRC with Sebastian Loeb, tennis with Pete Sampras, snooker with Stephen Hendry etc.

You're right though, figures had started to slowly increase since someone else started winning but with all the political stuff going on with talk of a split etc, F1 was getting some seriously bad press.

Unfortunately, Massa's accident happened at just the right time and there's no doubt that Bernie wanted either Alonso (his first choice I reckon) or Schumacher in the Ferrari. So there can be no doubt that he had a hand in it all.

Now there's huge interest in F1 for the right reason, why? Because Scheuy, love him or hate him is coming out of retirement. It makes for a great story and Bernie loves it.

EvilMonkey · 04-08-2009 3:39pm

smooch71 wrote: »

Now there's huge interest in F1 for the right reason, why? Because Scheuy, love him or hate him is coming out of retirement. It makes for a great story and Bernie loves it.

Bernie might love it but i doubt he had anything to do with it, he will take the credit though!

De Hipster · 04-08-2009 3:54pm

I'm really hoping that it's neck & neck between the Brawn crew & Schumi. Old mates now rivals...should make everyone lift their game a notch.

vectra · 04-08-2009 5:10pm

De Hipster wrote: »

I'm really hoping that it's neck & neck between the Brawn crew & Schumi. Old mates now rivals...should make everyone lift their game a notch.

I am really hoping that Kimi will be able to keep him at bay

smooch71 · 04-08-2009 5:23pm

vectra wrote: »

I am really hoping that Kimi will be able to keep him at bay

I hate to say it but I think Kimi's given up on F1.

He looked and sounded far happier at Rally Finland than I've seen him in a long time at a gp.

At least we can still support him if he changes!

De Hipster · 04-08-2009 5:25pm

smooch71 wrote: »

I hate to say it but I think Kimi's given up on F1.

He looked and sounded far happier at Rally Finland than I've seen him in a long time at a gp.

At least we can still support him if he changes!

'cept when engine trouble resulted in distracting him to upsidedown!

smooch71 · 04-08-2009 5:40pm

De Hipster wrote: »

'cept when engine trouble resulted in distracting him to upsidedown!

This is true

vectra · 04-08-2009 5:51pm

smooch71 wrote: »

I hate to say it but I think Kimi's given up on F1.

He looked and sounded far happier at Rally Finland than I've seen him in a long time at a gp.

At least we can still support him if he changes!

If Ferrari gave him a winning car he would be happy looking as well
Reason he was happy last weekend was there was no pressure on him.

enzo7 · 04-08-2009 5:52pm

He lost intrest the day he won that title.

To hav a winning car you need a driver who has an intrest to put the time in kimi doesnt. Thats why maylasia annoyed me sooo much instead of going for an icecream he should hav been going over that data trying to find out why they were so slow, looking for anything small thing that could improve the car.

vectra · 04-08-2009 6:16pm

enzo7 wrote: »

He lost intrest the day he won that title.

To hav a winning car you need a driver who has an intrest to put the time in kimi doesnt.

They cant really put any more time in this year as testing is banned.

enzo7 wrote: »

Thats why maylasia annoyed me sooo much instead of going for an icecream he should hav been going over that data trying to find out why they were so slow, looking for anything small thing that could improve the car.

All the "going over the data" would not have made that car any faster.
Nopoint in flogging a dead donkey.
I can assure you, Give Kimi a winning car and ye would be all praising him as if he was the second Schumacher :rolleyes:

EvilMonkey · 04-08-2009 6:22pm

vectra wrote: »

They cant really put any more time in this year as testing is banned.

All the "going over the data" would not have made that car any faster.
Nopoint in flogging a dead donkey.
I can assure you, Give Kimi a winning car and ye would be all praising him as if he was the second Schumacher :rolleyes:

Except Schumacher didn't always need a "winning car".

vectra · 04-08-2009 6:28pm

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Except Schumacher didn't always need a "winning car".

Indeed
Hence Alonso whooped his ass twice

smooch71 · 04-08-2009 6:28pm

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Except Schumacher didn't always need a "winning car".

You hit the nail on the head, that's the difference between them.

As Enzo said, Kimi won the title and hasn't had the same level of interest since.

He's a first class driver but if he's lost interest, he's not even going to try.

I'm a fan of Kimi too but I think I can recognise when a driver's acting like he's had enough.

enzo7 · 04-08-2009 6:45pm

vectra wrote: »

They cant really put any more time in this year as testing is banned.

All the "going over the data" would not have made that car any faster.
Nopoint in flogging a dead donkey.
I can assure you, Give Kimi a winning car and ye would be all praising him as if he was the second Schumacher :rolleyes:

Of cource it would if he could find 1 small thing on the data he could try work on it during practice at the nxt race dats could be a little step foward. But if you dont look ur not going see anything.

kimi had a winning car last yr except he didnt do much winning . Kimi the 2nd schumacher you having a laugh now no one in their right mind woulds every call him that. Im not a kimi fan because ive no time for lazy gits who waste their talent.But i am a fan of his talent on the odd occasion we see it. Noone is denying he isnt a very talent driver i would hav always put him in my top 3 and he still is. Unfortunately for kimi that isnt enough and thats such a shame because he had the talent to achieve so much more.

how did a schumacher thread turn into a kimi discussion

vectra · 04-08-2009 7:41pm

enzo7 wrote: »

Of cource it would if he could find 1 small thing on the data he could try work on it during practice at the nxt race dats could be a little step foward. But if you dont look ur not going see anything.

Nothing in terms of data analising on any drivers behalf would have improved that car. Hence it was basically dumped for the B spec.

enzo7 wrote: »

kimi had a winning car last yr except he didnt do much winning .

As did Massa.
So why is Kimi being bashed over it?
so had Kubica.
Just bad luck says it all.

enzo7 wrote: »

Kimi the 2nd schumacher you having a laugh now no one in their right mind woulds every call him that.

I never called him that
I said had he got a winning car people would be praising him as the 2nd schuie.
You must have spotted the smiley I used :rolleyes:

enzo7 wrote: »

But i am a fan of his talent on the odd occasion we see it. Noone is denying he isnt a very talent driver i would hav always put him in my top 3 and he still is. Unfortunately for kimi that isnt enough and thats such a shame because he had the talent to achieve so much more.

He still is telanted,
Any team that can give him a winning ( reliable ) car from the off and he wont be caught for the season

RayM · 04-08-2009 8:25pm

vectra wrote: »

I can assure you, Give Kimi a winning car and ye would be all praising him as if he was the second Schumacher :rolleyes:

Some of Schumacher's best performances were in cars that could never be described as 'winning'. Catalunya 1996 springs to mind. We've all seen what happens when a driver is given an obviously 'winning car' - Hill 1996, Villeneuve 1997, Hakkinen 1998/99, Schumacher 2002/04, Button 2009(?). I'm a big fan of Raikkonen, and I'd like to see him getting the most out of a mediocre car, just like Schumacher did during his first four years at Ferrari. Hopefully the return of Schumacher will be just the kick up the arse he needs.

vectra · 04-08-2009 9:17pm

RayM wrote: »

Hopefully the return of Schumacher will be just the kick up the arse he needs.

True

manta356 · 04-08-2009 9:41pm

I can assure you, Give Kimi a winning car and ye would be all praising him as if he was the second Schumacher

Theyre all great drivers if they have the best car.
A true winner is one who can win in a mediocre car

smooch71 · 05-08-2009 9:08am

vectra wrote: »

As did Massa.
So why is Kimi being bashed over it?

Because Massa came to within a corner of winning the title in the same car.

vectra · 05-08-2009 9:15am

manta356 wrote: »

Theyre all great drivers if they have the best car.
A true winner is one who can win in a mediocre car

So where is the mighty Alonso this year in his Mediocre car :rolleyes:

smooch71 wrote: »

Because Massa came to within a corner of winning the title in the same car.

Hmm.
So,
Does that automatically make Massa slightly better than Kimi.

smooch71 · 05-08-2009 9:32am

vectra wrote: »

Hmm.
So,
Does that automatically make Massa slightly better than Kimi.

Not necessarily in terms of talent or ability.

But in terms of attitude and interest? Yes, definitely.

Kimi had a potential championship winning car last year yet only won 2 races in it near the start of the season. Massa won 6 races in the same car and was consistant throughout the whole year.

It was pretty obvious that Kimi was losing interest as the season went on.

vectra · 05-08-2009 9:47am

smooch71 wrote: »

It was pretty obvious that Kimi was losing interest as the season went on.

It was more obvious that as Ferrari were upgrading the car as the year went on it became more uundrivable for Kimi's style.

smooch71 · 05-08-2009 9:52am

vectra wrote: »

It was more obvious that as Ferrari were upgrading the car as the year went on it became more uundrivable for Kimi's style.

Yeah....

I'm sure that was probably it....

Tea 1000 · 05-08-2009 10:49am

vectra wrote: »

It was more obvious that as Ferrari were upgrading the car as the year went on it became more uundrivable for Kimi's style.

If he were that good he wouldn't need a car to suit his style, his style would adapt. Massa isn't the best driver of all time, but he won more races than anyone last year, and his engine packed it in 3 laps from the end of a certain win which would have earned him the title. That's called winning attitude, something Kimi only had for exactly half a season. Luckily for him, because Alonso and Hamilton were too busy bickering, that was enough to sail past them. Even at that Kimi was lucky to win the title, a poor tyre decision by Ham and McLaren meant that he stayed out on crap tyres too long and threw the title away (happily!).
Kimi is one of the most naturally talented drivers on the grid, but he's a waste of space. Last weekend was his only race of the year so far.

enzo7 · 05-08-2009 1:31pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

If he were that good he wouldn't need a car to suit his style, his style would adapt. Massa isn't the best driver of all time, but he won more races than anyone last year, and his engine packed it in 3 laps from the end of a certain win which would have earned him the title. That's called winning attitude, something Kimi only had for exactly half a season. Luckily for him, because Alonso and Hamilton were too busy bickering, that was enough to sail past them. Even at that Kimi was lucky to win the title, a poor tyre decision by Ham and McLaren meant that he stayed out on crap tyres too long and threw the title away (happily!).
Kimi is one of the most naturally talented drivers on the grid, but he's a waste of space. Last weekend was his only race of the year so far.

couldnt hav said it better myself.

vectra · 05-08-2009 6:25pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

If he were that good he wouldn't need a car to suit his style, his style would adapt. Massa isn't the best driver of all time, but he won more races than anyone last year, and his engine packed it in 3 laps from the end of a certain win which would have earned him the title. That's called winning attitude, something Kimi only had for exactly half a season. Luckily for him, because Alonso and Hamilton were too busy bickering, that was enough to sail past them. Even at that Kimi was lucky to win the title, a poor tyre decision by Ham and McLaren meant that he stayed out on crap tyres too long and threw the title away (happily!).
Kimi is one of the most naturally talented drivers on the grid, but he's a waste of space. Last weekend was his only race of the year so far.

If we wasnt that good he wouldnt be driving for Ferrari
Cant deny that
2007..??
Kimi had 2 retirements
Massa had 2 retirements
Alonso had 1 retirement
Lewis had 1 retirement
Kimi still beat them all.!
How did that happen I wonder?
Consistancy maybe??

2008:
Kimi = 2 ret
Massa = 2 ret
Lewis = 1 ret
Alonso = 3 ret

Kimi ended 3rd in the wdc
Why didnt Massa win last year?
Not consistant
He made some display of his inexperience with one particalur race ( bashing contest ) with Lewis last season.

Anyhow
Back on topic

Schumacher is known as the greatest driver of all time.
And I hope Kimi kicks his a$$

BoardsRanger · 05-08-2009 7:03pm

Schumi come back not yet certain http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46555
Think she is only trying to build up hype!

The tax man · 11-08-2009 8:50am

Schumacher cancels F1 return.

Sherifu · 11-08-2009 8:59am

Just on the radio there too.

His neck isn't up to it yet.

tommiejoie · 11-08-2009 11:09am

I'm really disappointed that Schumi wont be making a comeback. I've never been looking forward to a Grand Prix as much as I was looking forward to Valencia. Its a real shame.

On a brighter note, I'm happy for Luca Badeor. It's great for him to get this reward for his loyalty to Ferrari. And I hope he manages to score some points for once!