Gaelcon has Street Fighter tournament

Reanimemmett

bush wrote: »

Stupid fast heavy kick

Yeah, it's ridiculous, I'm never able to hold back in time to block it.....:rolleyes:

Xinkai

I apologise for my wrding, it was OTT i'm sorry, but as a long time fighting game fan with big tournament experience, these rules are just plain silly. I readt a post in here that says Rage should've looked for the hardcore scene and asked us. It caters to casuals ok, but these rules basically ELIMINATE the hardcore players. I'll take the main fighting game tourney EVOLUTION for example. It's an OPEN tournament, there are NO RULES AGAINST simple things like BUTTON CHANGING, or if this is true about not being allowed to use a stick, you need to contact MrWizard and he will give you EVO rules. EVO is another tournament where players from all over the world enter. Best part is the rules CATER TO EVERYONE, Casual players turn up, Pro's turn up too. Pro's win ok, but there's the drive for casuals to step it up and try again next year. I could go on but i showed this to a friend of mine who hit home points better than any of us could.

From Jericho MPM TFS of London via MSN.

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Ok safe i read that thread i don't get the host like not allowing button change or sticks if your banning arcade people to a console event then there is nobody playing the game period if they wonder why the main people don't turn up and make no money then safe also.

+ whoever made them rules clearly dont understand games so if no fireballs are allowed can zangief 360 and ride it all the way to victory or better yet can dhalsim poke people to death since ryu guile chunli ken cant throw projectiles.

as for akuma he is beatable he aint even toptier so why they ban him anyway

Also AKUMA is Banned due to the stupid fast Heavy kick amongst other things! -- hold on what people dont know how to block a kick or something.

As for sc4 Ivy how can u ban someone who has to commit attacks for something to work in the 1st place, If they block it it don't work so shes not a broken character.

with all them rules it may as well be free

u cant be expecting people to pay for a tournament that strips down games to point of them not even being worth played.

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bush

Xinkai wrote: »

stupid fast Heavy kick

Im still getting a laugh off this, sounds like a 10 year old came up with the rule.

Xinkai

HADOUKEN HADOUKEN HADOUKEN HADOU...... WTF U MEAN I'M BANNED?!?!?

lol just thought i'd 'throw that one' out there :P

K.O.Kiki

It just keeps getting better...

Legend Gerry wrote:

While we were mucking about in cork we added Bots to the gears teams and we found it much more entertaining . So I'm considering making an additional bot to each team
Thoughts?

Ewan Byrne wrote:

In a completion[sic] you cannot have bots,

Legend Gerry wrote:

Says who? It really did add to the drama and those that played enjoyed the game a lot more. Given the sheer amount of whinging that gears players have been getting up to scene wide you'd think they would appreciate a more enjoyable competition. And you did want the competitions to be changed to 5 vs 5.

...
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Yeah, so you'll never see me in Sligo...

Doctor DooM

Just to clarify, the really stupid rules mentioned above were for some online tournament, not for the one at Gaelcon. The only silly rules confirmed so far that I can see for Gaelcon is no button recofig and no akuma.

I may delete that bit of the post earlier as it's misleading people.

Xinkai

If i may make a suggestion, talk to Leprikaun, his rules for XGC ranbats(?) are solid, but since we have more time, make it best of 3 instead of winner of 1 match.

K.O.Kiki

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Just to clarify, the really stupid rules mentioned above were for some online tournament, not for the one at Gaelcon. The only silly rules confirmed so far that I can see for Gaelcon is no button recofig and no akuma.

I may delete that bit of the post earlier as it's misleading people.

Post edited for clarity, Doom.

Dreddybajs

Xinkai wrote: »

If i may make a suggestion, talk to Leprikaun, his rules for XGC ranbats(?) are solid, but since we have more time, make it best of 3 instead of winner of 1 match.

A lot of the match rules were decided by Azza, not Leprekaun, with a little help from myself and others. No disrespect to Lep as he did a lotta work, just pointing it out.

Also namecalling etc. is never going to be constructive, even if you're worked up over this it isn't going to bring about a positive result for anybody. We are putting in work trying to build a fighting game community in this country, and mouthing off personal insults at people who are willing to put in work organising tournaments (even if currently they're going about it in a flawed way) isn't gonna help.

Never been to Gaelcon before, nor met you, and obviously don't know the context, but I'm just speaking as someone who'd like to see this scene flourish.

Orim

When I posted this I didn't realise the rule set that was in place and I do agree that it is a strange one.

Regarding the rule set I cannot see why it cannot be changed as I can find no information on the facebook regarding any league structure which means that this would be a one-off.
Also the rules go against the game being casual-friendly (the controls are completely different from the default to the point of excluding casual players) and it alienates the hardcore players who want to set their own. The only people these rules benefit are those that are used to those controls.
The Akuma banning doesn't bother me so much but also seems to be the sign of people taking votes based on preference and their own skills.

Having said all that I think it would be great if people could get past these problems and show up. It would be interesting to see what kind of interest there is out beyond the group that is basically confined to boards. You never know it might get people talking and we could add some extra people to the scene that is slowly building.

Dreddybajs

The thing is though, none of the slightly more serious players are going to bother showing up to a tournament with rules like these - personally I really wouldn't consider it worth the bother.

It goes both ways obviously, any Eir-Rage people are free to show up to the stuff we organise on here! We have meetups every couple of weeks (two weeks in a row currently!) and anyone that wants to play is of course more than welcome to drop in.

Doctor DooM

I have to say, if I could use a joystick- any joystick- with any config I like- I would be there in a flash. The Akuma thing I can at least understand the logic behind (he's known for being broken).

A-Trak

I agree with Doom, I'd jump at it if they let me use a stick and give me the crafty advantage of letting me use my own button config.
Would have thougt the button config they state also goes against the best interest of a casual player too, if I'm only getting to know the game, and especially if I was using a pad - I would definitelt want all 3 x punch/kick mapped to a button otherwise I'm never going to get an ultra out.

K.O.Kiki

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I have to say, if I could use a joystick- any joystick- with any config I like- I would be there in a flash. The Akuma thing I can at least understand the logic behind (he's known for being broken).

But Akuma's NOT broken!
He's got some good moves, but is nowhere NEAR as powerful as Sagat (superb zoning, high damage, that Ultra) or Ryu (superb zoning/pokes, can Ultra from anything).

You're thinking of ST Akuma, who was banned because NOTHING beats air-FB.

blag

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

But Akuma's NOT broken!
He's got some good moves, but is nowhere NEAR as powerful as Sagat (superb zoning, high damage, that Ultra) or Ryu (superb zoning/pokes, can Ultra from anything).

You're thinking of ST Akuma, who was banned because NOTHING beats air-FB.

And nothing beats his inescapable red fireball corner trap.But the air fireball to demon is arguably even more irritating as you can see it coming a mile away but still do nothing.

Retr0gamer

And even at that Ryu and Sagat are fair and beatable. Banning akuma is just silly since he is a popular character and is nowhere near overpowered.

Also There's no way I'd play with that button combination or with anything other than my own stick.

Doctor DooM

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

But Akuma's NOT broken!
He's got some good moves, but is nowhere NEAR as powerful as Sagat (superb zoning, high damage, that Ultra) or Ryu (superb zoning/pokes, can Ultra from anything).

You're thinking of ST Akuma, who was banned because NOTHING beats air-FB.

you're picking me up wrong. I was saying I at least can understand why someone out of the loop would think it a good idea to ban akuma. I can't understand the logic behind forcing people to use a certain button config.

Orim

Dreddybajs wrote: »

The thing is though, none of the slightly more serious players are going to bother showing up to a tournament with rules like these - personally I really wouldn't consider it worth the bother.

It goes both ways obviously, any Eir-Rage people are free to show up to the stuff we organise on here! We have meetups every couple of weeks (two weeks in a row currently!) and anyone that wants to play is of course more than welcome to drop in.

It is true that these rules go against what most of us would like to see but I still think it is worthwhile for some us to go in order to try and encourage the scene. I will be going as I haven’t been to Gaelcon in a couple of years and this is a great excuse to go. I will even play on a pad if I have to *shudder*

At this thing there may be people who enjoy playing street fighter but have never taken it outside their friends/X-Box Live or want to play a bit more seriously but don't know where to go. These people can be told about what's going here and might start to join up. Blasphemous as it may sound, not everyone is a member of boards and not everyone goes out of their way to find possible street fighter meet-ups like I did.

Yreval

HMUYA wrote: »

Also the rules go against the game being casual-friendly (the controls are completely different from the default to the point of excluding casual players)

I forgot to mention this in my first post - that rule isn't just terribad, it's super-duper-focus-cancel-EX-ultra terribad.

Dreddybajs

That's all fair enough, but I'm not gonna encourage and give money to badly-run tournaments - especially when the organiser has been linked to this thread and can after this event hopefully make moves to improve how it's run. Hopefully everyone who does go enjoys it though!

Sabre0001

HMUYA wrote: »

At this thing there may be people who enjoy playing street fighter but have never taken it outside their friends/X-Box Live or want to play a bit more seriously but don't know where to go. These people can be told about what's going here and might start to join up. Blasphemous as it may sound, not everyone is a member of boards and not everyone goes out of their way to find possible street fighter meet-ups like I did.

I would encourage those people to still play under a standard ruleset. And eSports.ie features a calendar of upcoming events which may be worth a look. Any organiser that gets on to us gets listed on that and can get a newspost if they wish to draw extra attention.

Jim

I, aswell as everyone else here, want to see the fighting game scene florish in Ireland. Its disheartening when an group with obviously a good bit of organisation and reach and wants to promote the scene runs things so badly that it alienates most people. It hurts the scene imo.

Especially when "All complaints can be sent to myarse@dontcare.com". To me it comes across as whoever is organising it just wants people to play the way he plays and banned Akuma because he got beaten by him one too many times. It also seems this person is very closed to any feedback.

I'm not trying to insult anyone, but that's just the way it comes across to me. I really hope I'm wrong and the tournament improves and becomes very popular.

Jericho_MPM_TFS

This thread is delicious!!!

Of course the person who is saying ban Akuma he must of got sliced and diced to shreds on and offline


ok here this is what u call broken - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBJrUovaGHA - at 1:25 ask yourself how many people can do that around the world not many thats for sure.

if the entire world could do it then its considered as broken but it requires total timing to even pull off.

Nevyn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I wasn't going to turn up to this because of the awful rules but if it means I can put on my sakura costume, I'll think about it.

There will be a costume competition for those wanting to take part, I believe on the Sunday.

Any Doomy can testify that I am female cos he's seen my epic cleavage :P

I will ask about 'The Sticks' I assume you mean 'joy sticks', I did email a link to this thread to the Gaelcon liaison for this and am waiting for them to get back to me, I am just the online pro.

Kinetic^

Tough crowd, eh Thaed? :P

Sagat06

Jericho_MPM_TFS wrote: »

ok here this is what u call broken - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBJrUovaGHA - at 1:25 ask yourself how many people can do that around the world not many thats for sure.

This vid also proves how weak he can be. Straight after the combo you're talking about Sagat hits him with a tiger uppercut into high kick into Ultra and the health bars are practically identical. Even after Akuma whailing on him for a good 20secs.

Jim

Kinetic^ wrote: »

Tough crowd, eh Thaed? :P

It is rather difficult to talk about this as maturely as possible without coming across as raving elitest whiners :pac:

Nevyn

Kinetic^ wrote: »

Tough crowd, eh Thaed? :P

It's not the old feedback forum :pac:

Jericho_MPM_TFS

Sagat06 wrote: »

This vid also proves how weak he can be. Straight after the combo you're talking about Sagat hits him with a tiger uppercut into high kick into Ultra and the health bars are practically identical. Even after Akuma whailing on him for a good 20secs.

Reason it takes so much is cos Sagat was losing so the ultra takes
(Spastic Noob Assisted Handicap damage)

Dreddybajs

Jericho_MPM_TFS wrote: »

if the entire world could do it then its considered as broken but it requires total timing to even pull off.

Tier lists are based on high-level tournament play so no you are wrong! Also Sagat VS Akuma still isn't even a bad matchup for Sagat so I don't see how this would make him broken at all.

edit: sweet combo though!

Jericho_MPM_TFS

Dreddybajs wrote: »

Tier lists are based on high-level tournament play so no you are wrong! Also Sagat VS Akuma still isn't even a bad matchup for Sagat so I don't see how this makes him broken at all.

Ok so if Tier lists are based on high-level tournament play way is this thread basing up akuma when he is classed as 7th or 8th if best.

Let me type it again (if the whole world could do it and it was easy to do then it would be considered as broken).

+ how is it a bad match up are u saying in your hands u can deal with akuma cos if u want u can put it to the test and prove your point.

Dreddybajs

Jericho_MPM_TFS wrote: »

Ok so if Tier lists are based on high-level tournament play way is this thread basing up akuma when he is classed as 7th or 8th if best.

Let me type it again (if the whole world could do it and it was easy to do then it would be considered as broken).

+ how is it a bad match up are u saying in your hands u can deal with akuma cos if u want u can put it to the test and prove your point.

I don't understand a lot of your post mate to be honest.

I said it's not a bad match up for Sagat, he doesn't have any in SF4. It's pretty even imo. I don't consider Akuma broken, I'd consider him mid-high tier as would most of the other people posting in this thread I'm sure.

I'm not really sure how to respond to anything else you said as I find it difficult to comprehend!

Jericho_MPM_TFS

Dreddybajs wrote: »

I said it's not a bad match up for Sagat, he doesn't have any in SF4.

Ok look i'll ask you the same question in a different term then.

Are u classing yourself high with (your) sagat Dreddybajs

Dreddybajs

No, I'm not a Sagat player.

Sagat06

Agree with Dreddy,

In the hands of a VERY skilled player he can be lethal and his combo's are unbelievable.. but you gotta go to different shores to be concerned about him at that level!! at the level we play at he is quite balanced, he has as I said awesome combos but his super and ultra are really hard to catch someone with and his damage points are awful!!

Dreddybajs

I think he's balanced in high level play too though, that's my whole point!

chopperbyrne

Does anyone know if all characters will be unlocked for this tournament?

Retr0gamer

Akuma I think is very well balanced. He has great combos, can dish out loads of damage and has a great zoning game. However he is very stressful to play as because if anyone gets in close you are screwed due to the damage he takes.

bush

Id put akuma level with ryu but deffo not broken.

Jericho_MPM_TFS

Dreddybajs wrote: »

No, I'm not a Sagat player.

Ok cool so if your not a Sagat player why u stating high level odds when u clearly don't know Sagat or the match ups tbh who says on the net that the match ups are precise they could be BS for all we know.

Dreddybajs

Jericho_MPM_TFS wrote: »

Ok cool so if your not a Sagat player why u stating high level odds when u clearly don't know Sagat or the match ups tbh who says on the net that the match ups are precise they could be BS for all we know.

You're right, I've never even played Street Fighter. I just wanted to look cool.

Xinkai

That's just acting like an idiot dreddy, anyways back on point,

Unban Akuma, He's a character like everyone else.
Allow Sticks if you want to attract some good players.
Allow button binding.
Allow switching button configs.
Best 2 of 3 fights, 3 rounds per fight.
Winner's only.
5 Euro entry, 25% for winners pot, or some small prize like a 30 euro GAME card or something.

There you go, the way the rules should be. Close this thread it's a joke tbh.

Dreddybajs

I just wanted to look like a big man I'm sorry guys. ;/

Azza

Jericho_MPM_TFS and Dreddybajs this thread isn't about Sagat's so no more going off topic please.

Xinkai please try not to insult any more people on these threads, your on thin ice as is.

The thread will remain open to allow for 'constructive feedback' to any of the Eir-Rage or Gaelcon organisers who wish to read this. We are not going to endear oursleves to the organisers if we acting like children who's toys have been thrown out of the pram.

Back on topic everyone here is in agreement on several issues.

1. Akuma should not banned. There is no evidence to suggest he is broken in SF IV.
2. Players should be allowed use there own pads and sticks.
3. Custom Button configuration should be allowed.
4. As for tournament rules, its usually the best of 3 sets and each set is best of 3 rounds. Some form of double elimination is preferred.

These are the defacto standards for international tournament. If these rules where introduced I'm sure interest from players here to attend would increase.

Jericho_MPM_TFS

Azza I clearly came here to give simple constructive feedback now its all good if u do or do not wanna hear it as stated in page 5 underneath Xinkai's post via msn.

But someone else decided to post and argue about something clearly he does not understand and for the sake of it thought he would look like some big man & be cool at the same time buy being not helpful to this thread by any standard so don't put me in his league.

anyway good luck with your stuff

Retr0gamer

Think you are arguing with the wrong people, we all know Dreddybajs very well and we all know he knows his stuff.

Jericho_MPM_TFS

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Think you are arguing with the wrong people, we all know Dreddybajs very well and we all know he knows his stuff.

Really!! then he should have no trouble cleaning up in October then is it.

Jim

"It was the one thing we didn't want to happen."

blag

Jericho_MPM_TFS wrote: »

Azza I clearly came here to give simple constructive feedback now its all good if u do or do not wanna hear it as stated in page 5 underneath Xinkai's post via msn.

But someone else decided to post and argue about something clearly he does not understand and for the sake of it thought he would look like some big man & be cool at the same time buy being not helpful to this thread by any standard so don't put me in his league.

anyway good luck with your stuff

You have no idea man.

Jim

There's no point.

Eir-rage people please ignore these last two pages of posts and take the constructive feedback for what it is.