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Sinn Fein is the NI's richest party

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    #2
    lostexpectation
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    not much options are there?


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    #3
    GarRo247
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭GarRo247


    Hopefully they'll put the money to good use and use it to buy wepons to help get the brittish out, and they should be the richest party, they deserve to be, they're the only party that actually cares about Ireland and not their own profits!


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    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    SF public reps only take home the average industrial wage and the rest is put back into the party. This goes a long way to explaining the healthy balance sheet. But lets not let that get in the way of some good conspiracy theories.


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    DoireNod
    Registered Users Posts: 863 ✭✭✭DoireNod


    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/northern_ireland_politics/8175840.stm
    Interesting.
    I've already joked to my friend about this, but in all seriousness, perhaps it's an indication of how fluently the party is run economically, which can only be a positive?
    I'm going to drag this out the next time a Shinner tries to claim they are a disadvantaged group.
    Sinn Féin can be seen as a disadvantaged group from various perceptions, regardless of their financial status. They have many 'disadvantages', as it were, most notably the fact that they have to continuously deal with people viewing them as being the same as the IRA. It will be extremely hard to shake that stigma, but as a party, they are showing great progress and figures such as this are further tribute to that fact..


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    spank_inferno
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    DoireNod wrote: »
    Sinn Féin can be seen as a disadvantaged group from various perceptions, regardless of their financial status. They have many 'disadvantages', as it were, most notably the fact that they have to continuously deal with people viewing them as being the same as the IRA. It will be extremely hard to shake that stigma,

    Its not hard to have this view point when Sinn Feins leaders were also the IRA's leaders.


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    dlofnep
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    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    SF public reps only take home the average industrial wage and the rest is put back into the party. This goes a long way to explaining the healthy balance sheet. But lets not let that get in the way of some good conspiracy theories.

    Correct.

    Thread over.

    Not to mention, SF as a party operates on a 32 county basis, where it has activists involved in fund-raising throughout the year. All these funds are put back into the party and are used towards campaigns, printing costs, international delegations and so forth.

    I'd be interested to see how wealthy FF & FG are. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that they would make SF's accounts look like pocket change.


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    Fratton Fred
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    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    SF public reps only take home the average industrial wage and the rest is put back into the party. This goes a long way to explaining the healthy balance sheet. But lets not let that get in the way of some good conspiracy theories.

    Getting an income from the UK tax payer helps as well I would suggest.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html


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    mike65
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    LOL, another train wreck of a thread beckons.

    The Shinners are happy to be oppressed if they can pick up a nice little earner while being so.


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    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Getting an income from the UK tax payer helps as well I would suggest.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html

    SF don't take up their 5 westminister seats and they don't take any pay for them yet they still provide representation for their electorate. They are in fact saving the UK taxpayer loads of money.


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    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    SF don't take up their 5 westminister seats and they don't take any pay for them yet they still provide representation for their electorate. They are in fact saving the UK taxpayer loads of money.

    since when were their electorate in London? unless you are refering to the "Representation" they provide to the Dublin based landlord who they rent all three homes from.

    They are taking the piss, just like all the other Westminster politicians.


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    dlofnep
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    since when were their electorate in London? unless you are refering to the "Representation" they provide to the Dublin based landlord who they rent all three homes from.

    They are taking the piss, just like all the other Westminster politicians.

    They are required to travel often to London to discuss cross-border concerns, and topics surrounding the GFA. They are required to have somewhere to stay while they are there. Fuss over nothing.


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    turgon
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    They are required to travel often to London to discuss cross-border concerns, and topics surrounding the GFA. They are required to have somewhere to stay while they are there. Fuss over nothing.

    Should all delegations who will be going to London be provided with homes there?


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    Fratton Fred
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    They are required to travel often to London to discuss cross-border concerns, and topics surrounding the GFA. They are required to have somewhere to stay while they are there. Fuss over nothing.

    travel Lodge FTW.

    MPs get second homes because they spend 3,4 or 5 nights a week in London week in week out, not because they pop down for the odd two day jolly.


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    dlofnep
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    travel Lodge FTW.

    MPs get second homes because they spend 3,4 or 5 nights a week in London week in week out, not because they pop down for the odd two day jolly.

    They are hardly there for a day or two.

    The are entitled to accommodation. I don't see what the issue is. Nitpicking over nothing.


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    dlofnep
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    turgon wrote: »
    Should all delegations who will be going to London be provided with homes there?

    Yes, if they are entitled to it. Which SF delegates are.


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    Erin Go Brath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Erin Go Brath


    dlofnep wrote: »
    They are hardly there for a day or two.

    The are entitled to accommodation. I don't see what the issue is. Nitpicking over nothing.

    The issue is, its been over 24 hours since the last shinner bashing thread. We were long overdue another one. ;)


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    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/northern_ireland_politics/8175840.stm
    Interesting.

    I'm going to drag this out the next time a Shinner tries to claim they are a disadvantaged group.


    Thats because its the biggest with the most ministers afik. This has no bearing on its spend etc! TBH its a stupid comparission now if you said that the green party being a small group was the biggest that would be interesting but this! Based on size its nothing new based on its distribution of funding.... Now thats interesting.

    Oh yes! and they publish there accounts which suspects me to believe they have nothing to hide!


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    Fratton Fred
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    They are hardly there for a day or two.

    The are entitled to accommodation. I don't see what the issue is. Nitpicking over nothing.

    They are entitled to accomodation, sure.

    does it require two two bed apartments and a three bedroom house? do they need to rent them on a permanent basis?

    how come they are paying over the top for them?

    How come they managed to coincidentally find three "Convenient" properties all owned by the same person, who is from Dublin?

    nothing wrong here no......

    I'm not bashing Sinn Fein, I am quite happy to bash any MP, especially the ones claiming for moat cleaning. This is an abuse of public money. Sinn Fein are taking the piss.


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    turgon
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Yes, if they are entitled to it. Which SF delegates are.

    So you think everyone who pops over to London once and a while, for example Sarcozy, should get a house paid for to? How about the Irish government, should they get a free house?


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    knoxor
    Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭knoxor


    Back to OP, the reason SF put their money back into party coffers is because they are a Marxist party.
    While I'm left leaning myself I wouldn't be too in favor of SF getting into govt as a main party in the Republic.


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    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/northern_ireland_politics/8175840.stm
    Interesting.

    I'm going to drag this out the next time a Shinner tries to claim they are a disadvantaged group.


    Oh and addittionally its a total insult to anybody to suggest that a "Liberal" will every do anything else but bash sinn fein. I am curious why anybody would actually bother answering this thread other than to agree with you because even if any reason actually made sense "a liberal" would have no hope of accepting the reason.

    I hear there is some party members in the PD's looking for a new party. Mary Harney makes a great health minister! Your in there i think!


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    dlofnep
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    turgon wrote: »
    So you think everyone who pops over to London once and a while, for example Sarcozy, should get a house paid for to? How about the Irish government, should they get a free house?

    No, only if they are entitled to it. Which SF delegates, working on behalf of the peace-process are entitled to. There is no problem here, just the daily boards shinner bashing extravaganza.

    So let me explain it for you, since you have clearly problems in breaking down a very simple issue. They are entitled to accommodation, and as such - receive it. If you have issues with their accom' being paid for - take it up with the British Government and ask them, why they pay accom' fees for politicians.


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    dlofnep
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    knoxor wrote: »
    Back to OP, the reason SF put their money back into party coffers is because they are a Marxist party

    This is true, all politicians in SF take home an average industrial wage and put the rest back into the party.

    But let's not that get in the way of the OP stacking up an uneventful, predictable and nonsensical attack on SF.


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    dlofnep
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    They are entitled to accomodation, sure.

    Case closed.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    does it require two two bed apartments and a three bedroom house? do they need to rent them on a permanent basis?

    Yes. It was 2 properties, not 3. A combined total of 5 rooms between the two of them, for 5 people.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    how come they are paying over the top for them?

    It's London, everything is OTT.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    How come they managed to coincidentally find three "Convenient" properties all owned by the same person, who is from Dublin?

    Who cares. Fair play to them for keeping a few quid in the pockets of an Irishman in London. Is it illegal to sell or rent property if you are an Irishman from Dublin, living in London?
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I'm not bashing Sinn Fein,

    Sure. :)


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    Buffy the bitch
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/northern_ireland_politics/8175840.stm
    Interesting.

    I'm going to drag this out the next time a Shinner tries to claim they are a disadvantaged group.


    Wouldn't you be rich if you got your hands on 26.5 million :D


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    A Dub in Glasgo
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    forum charter wrote:
    Topics should not be verbatim quotes from some article without comment from the thread starter. Add a comment before or after the post, offering your opinion on the subject, or at the very least, your reason for adding the topic.

    Please remember that we are not a blog, a news feed nor an announcement forum - if you are not willing to discuss what you post, then please don't post it.

    'Interesting' is hardly discussing the topic at hand!


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    turgon
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    They are entitled to accommodation, and as such - receive it.

    I realize, but let me clarify. They are entitled to accommodation by virtue of being MP's right? Not by virtue of them being ambassadors of the peace process, as it were?


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    irish_bob
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    this story is old news , everyone knows sinn fein are irelands richest political party , i heard some time back they are europes richest party


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    Terrontress
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    irish_bob wrote: »
    this story is old news , everyone knows sinn fein are irelands richest political party , i heard some time back they are europes richest party

    Yeah, I heard that too. Given the extent of their North American fundraising, they have resources that some of the larger global political parties could only dream of.

    Look at the lampposts when there are elections. How does a party with such a small mandate afford to produce and erect so many posters?

    Also, the election management which they employ in the North is carried out by some of the greatest political analysts on Earth, none of them Irish.

    The SF leadership has also invested heavily in PR, negotiation skills, speaking courses, Tiochfadh-Armani suits and image consultants for its senior members.

    It is a very well oiled organisation and the likes of Jerry McCabe and the drug addicts of Dublin have paid for that oil.


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    rcecil
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    knoxor wrote: »
    Back to OP, the reason SF put their money back into party coffers is because they are a Marxist party.
    While I'm left leaning myself I wouldn't be too in favor of SF getting into govt as a main party in the Republic.

    Between being a marxist party and a democratic socialist model. Visit www.sinnfein.ie and look at the democratically presented and voted upon policies of Sinn Fein. Your current leaning enables the thieves of the corporate party


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