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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Wasn't there a teaser poster back in the day for an abandoned Alien3 concept depicting an alien looking down over a Blade Runner esque city with the tagline, "On Earth They Will Hear You Scream" or have I gone bonkers? :confused:

    Can't find anything but it wouldn't surprise me, that film never stood a chance because of the butcher job done in production.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Can't find anything but it wouldn't surprise me, that film never stood a chance because of the butcher job done in production.
    Wasn't the original version of that supposed to be set on a wooden spaceship full of monks or something along those lines?

    I never thought Alien 3 was as bad as people made out; as good as the first two, hell no, but it still managed to drip atmosphere and malevolence. And at this point I'd bite the hand of anyone offering another Alien 3 over, say, another AvP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Wasn't the original version of that supposed to be set on a wooden spaceship full of monks or something along those lines?

    I never thought Alien 3 was as bad as people made out; as good as the first two, hell no, but it still managed to drip atmosphere and malevolence. And at this point I'd bite the hand of anyone offering another Alien 3 over, say, another AvP.

    From Wiki;
    The story by Vincent Ward[11] and the screenplay with co-writer John Fasano had Ripley's escape pod crash landing on a monastery-like satellite, which had parts of its interior, both, wooden and archaic in design.

    A former Londer Times journalist had it amongst a list he compiled of ‘The Greatest Sci-Fi Movies Never Made’.

    I also don't think Alien 3 is as bad as some suggest. However I don't like the feel and look of it, it's too much of a departure from the first 2. Alien Resurrection was pretty poor but it at least somewhat regained the feel and look of an Alien film.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭Kashkai


    I wonder what happened to the alien that emerged from the space jockey. Considering the jockeys size, it must have been huge, a super queen perhaps that laid all those eggs Kane found?

    I'm dubious about a prequel to Alien. It'd more fitting to do a proper sequel to Aliens and we can pretend Alien 3 & 4 were bad hypersleep dreams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    I think Alien 3 was pretty poor alright, the terrible b-grade actors (being generous there) put me off it first and foremost, then there was the killing off of certain characters which proved so controversial both because of their previous importance and the way it was done

    also I got the impression the director just wanted to get it finished with all the hassle it involved, and perhaps ended it the way he did just to say a big **** you to the studio

    i mean it was okay when you compare it to the even cruddier films that came after but they are hardly great yardsticks to compare against

    its a shame really because going by the workprint it could have been a superior film, although maybe a bit bleak for some fans of the series i suppose


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭Not The Real Scarecrow


    Just a little bit about the Space Jockey. I remembered hearing Scott talk about him before and referred to him as being a pilot that was using the Alien eggs as a type of bomb, so went off and sure enough found the following on wiki about references and appearances by the Jockey in the comics and games. Christ knows if any of these things will be used in the movie but at least it allows for at least a year of arguments and speculation,lol.
    Scott suggests in his Alien DVD commentary that the Jockey's ship was a "bomber": alien eggs could be dropped on an enemy planet, and the aliens would proceed to kill the population as they spawned. According to Cameron, the Space Jockey's craft picked up alien eggs and the pilot became infected by the dangerous cargo; the ship landed on LV-426 and the Space Jockey transmitted the signal as a warning.[1] John Mollo and Ron Cobb's "The Alien Portfolio" and Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Alien state the Space Jockey encountered the aliens on LV-426.

    In Foster's Alien novelization, Ash describes the Space Jockey's race as a noble people and hopes that mankind will encounter them under more pleasant circumstances. It also states that they were larger, stronger and possibly more intelligent than humans. Foster's novelization states that the Jockey was trying to warn humans away from the aliens.
    [edit] Other appearances

    In Steve Perry's Earth Hive, the Space Jockey's race are referred to as collectors because they collect Xenomorph eggs. In Michael Jan Friedman's Aliens: Original Sin, the race is referred to as the Mala'kak. According to the comic book The Destroying Angels, the Aliens caused the species to become extinct 1.6 million years ago.

    Mark Verheiden's Aliens graphic novel depict the Space Jockey's race as malevolent; they refrain from attacking humans due to their immense hatred of their common enemy, the Xenomorphs, but they intend to wipe out and/or enslave humanity once their war with the Xenomorphs is over. In the series, a Space Jockey-like creature communicates telepathically with humans.

    The Space Jockey makes appearances in two of the PC games as well. In the original Aliens versus Predator, it appears in Derelict, which serves as the map for both the first Marine mission and the second Alien bonus mission. Both species start at opposite ends, with the Marine encountering the Space Jockey's remains toward the end of his mission while the Alien passes them at the beginning. Aliens versus Predator 2 involves an experimental lab built on the species' artifacts and technology. At the end of the marine campaign, the player fights a Queen Alien in a large room with a Space Jockey in the center.

    In the film Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2007), a skull resembling the Space Jockey's appears briefly in a scene in the trophy room of the Predator ship, as a reference to the original Alien.[3]
    They are thought by some to be the creators of the Xenomorphs. They call themselves Mala'kak and are sometimes referred to as Pilots. The pilots also collected queens to avoid venturing deeper into alien territory but queens overtime got smarter and overwhelmed their tamers. This has been proven in some AVP comics where space jockey corpses can be seen on their crashed ships.

    Another theory, is that the Space Jockey in the derelict spacecraft had escaped from its homeworld which had been overrun with xenomorphs and the creature itself had been infected with a xenomorph. In which case, the derelict crash-landed on the planet. This doesn't explain however how the alien eggs were in the cargo hold.
    In the film "Alien vs Predator", it's shown that the Predators breed xenomorphs for hunting purposes. In AvP:R, a Space Jockey skull is shown in a Predator trophy room, confirming that the Yuatja have had prior contact with the Space Jockeys.
    A Space Jockey skull in the Predator trophy room.
    One theory is that the Predators could have been responsible for the derelict crashing on LV-426. Another is that the Space Jockeys were supplying the Xenomorphs to the Predators. Other theories suggest that the Yuatja and the Space Jockeys were at war, and that the Space Jockeys had engineered the Xenomorphs for the purpose of killing the Predators.

    Pilots also may have used them for strategic and biological warfare, in which the eggs would be left on the planet then kill the inhabitants. Pilots would then administer a drug into the air and kill the xenomorphs, then taking the planet for themselves. It is possible that the space jockey in "Alien" was attacked by a hatched facehugger and landed to stop unwanted contamination, sending the S.O.S, hoping more Pilots were close enough in range so they could kill the embryo. The warning reaches Ripley's ship and they go to the source of the distress signal.
    Space Jockey seen in the comic "Aliens Apoclypse: Destroying Angels"
    A brief mention to a Space Jockey was seen in an AVP comic where a Space Jockey ship is seen above the Xenomorph homeworld.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Wasn't there a teaser poster back in the day for an abandoned Alien3 concept depicting an alien looking down over a Blade Runner esque city with the tagline, "On Earth They Will Hear You Scream" or have I gone bonkers? :confused:


    I must be going bonkers too because I thought of something similar but for Alien Resurrection.

    There was defo some unused concept involving Earth though. I remember after first seeing Aliens spending lots of time imagining what would happen on Earth if there was a large scale Xenomorph outbreak.

    Then spending just as much time trying to figure out what they would look like if they came out of various different animals. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Then spending just as much time trying to figure out what they would look like if they came out of various different animals. :D

    Alien 5: Day Out At The Zoo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭Paleface


    I liked Alien 3 for its return to the horror genre that the first movie did so well. It was David Fincher who directed it and I don't think he was at fault really for any of the movies weaker points. That has to go to the writers.

    Scott will make the prequels and they will more than likely be good in their own context. They definitely won't be cheesy.

    I have two minor concerns.

    Shooting it in 3D. WHY??? Seriously when will this 3D craze die out? It isn't really any better that what it was back in the day and it doesn't add much to the films in my view.

    Scott will shed life into a completely dead franchise for some other hack to come along and completely butcher once more. They will try for the earth invasion and just get it all wrong!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    modern 3d isnt comparable to the 3d we saw in movies like jaws, completely different quality

    cant see it disappearing the way it did before, its no longer only a gimmick and seems to be the emerging standard for movies, this will only become more so over time as we see technology like 3dtv's becoming standard and coming down in price

    pretty sure most of what we saw in alien 3 was written by fincher as well, i had heard he had to constantly rewrite whilst making the movie


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    I wasn't found of Alien 3 when I first saw it yonks ago, it didn't make much sense. (Why was the nuts prisoner fascinated with it, that explanation was cut out in the theatrical version)

    A few years later I saw the Director's Cut and that was faaaar superior. I class that as the real Alien 3.

    Fincher was being fùcked about by Fox, they kept wanted changes here and there (to the point where Fincher would grab a camera and him & Sigourney would disappear alone in the factory to film some scenes - notably the scene where Ripley searches for the Alien, meets it and it doesn't hurt her)

    In the end Fincher was disgusted with what the final product came out to be thanks to too much studio tampering. It's why he has no involvment with the DVD.

    It's quite far from being a bad film, but it's pace is all over the shop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    from what ive read and heard, the prisoners were supposed to have viewed the alien as more of a demonic figure, a judgement on them having a women in the colony which had brought temptation to them

    that interesting element seems almost completely lost in the end product


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Apparently we arent getting 'classic' aliens in teh new film(s), but rather a creature a stage lower in the Xenomorph's evolutionary ladder:
    http://io9.com/5525820/the-classic-alien-wont-appear-in-ridley-scotts-prequels-at-all

    This could be really good... or REALLY bad...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭Paleface


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Apparently we arent getting 'classic' aliens in teh new film(s), but rather a creature a stage lower in the Xenomorph's evolutionary ladder:
    http://io9.com/5525820/the-classic-alien-wont-appear-in-ridley-scotts-prequels-at-all

    This could be really good... or REALLY bad...

    I actually I think that's a strong reason for these being really good.

    Its thinking outside the box which is what the numerous Alien follow ups failed to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    It could be fresh and invigorating or it could end up like the last couple of attempts to change the tried and tested alien design; the 'newborn' from Alen Ressurection and the hybrid from AVPR.

    I guess I'll have to wait for a trailer before making judgements (that said, I thought the AVPR trailer looked good).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Can't find anything but it wouldn't surprise me, that film never stood a chance because of the butcher job done in production.



    Thats it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    indough wrote: »
    I think Alien 3 was pretty poor alright, the terrible b-grade actors (being generous there) put me off it first and foremost

    Sorry what? Charles Dance, Pete Postletwaithe, Charles S. Dutton and Paul McGann are "b-grade actors" now? they're all great character actors. Dance plays one of my favourite characters in the series, it was a pity he gets killed so early on in the movie as he lends a real weight to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    krudler wrote: »
    Sorry what? Charles Dance, Pete Postletwaithe, Charles S. Dutton and Paul McGann are "b-grade actors" now? they're all great character actors. Dance plays one of my favourite characters in the series, it was a pity he gets killed so early on in the movie as he lends a real weight to it.

    The acting was good, it's just the look of the film looked cheap. After the great atmospheric and dark look of Aliens, it was bit of a culture shock to see the setting become so mundane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    krudler wrote: »
    Sorry what? Charles Dance, Pete Postletwaithe, Charles S. Dutton and Paul McGann are "b-grade actors" now?

    precisely

    and they werent even the worst in the movie, they chose these people because they were cheap to hire television actors

    i never want to hear another yorkshire accent in an aliens movie either


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    The acting was good, it's just the look of the film looked cheap. After the great atmospheric and dark look of Aliens, it was bit of a culture shock to see the setting become so mundane.

    The art direction was very unimaginative. Lots of blank corridoors and plain steel doors. I suppose that's what happens when you start working without a finished script. Less time for making it look pretty/unique.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Alien Resurrection was pretty poor but it at least somewhat regained the feel and look of an Alien film.
    Couldn't disagree more. Alien 3 looked drab because of the prison setting while Ailen Resurrection seemed to be set in some strange comic book inspired alternative universe to the previous movies. It felt all wrong.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Apparently we arent getting 'classic' aliens in teh new film(s), but rather a creature a stage lower in the Xenomorph's evolutionary ladder:
    http://io9.com/5525820/the-classic-alien-wont-appear-in-ridley-scotts-prequels-at-all

    This could be really good... or REALLY bad...
    Again, this is encouraging news. It shows that Scott is going to genuinely try and shake / wake up the franchise, rather than just ape Aliens or all the fanw*nk that has come since the first two movies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Im actually quite tempted to run some sort of 'design your own alien for the prequels' competition for the Film Forum...


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    indough wrote: »
    precisely

    and they werent even the worst in the movie, they chose these people because they were cheap to hire television actors

    i never want to hear another yorkshire accent in an aliens movie either
    Huh? John Hurt, Bill Paxton, Michael Biehn, Lance Herikkson, and pretty much everyone else involved in the first two movies were by no means star names either, far from it. Jeez if anything, Henrikkson and Biehn are bigger cheap journeymen than the likes of Postletwaithe, a classically trained actor iirc.

    I mean that was the whole point of the Alien franchise - or at least what I thought was the point - that space had become just another blue-collar workplace and that its populace were faces and people you'd likely see in our own time & workplaces. Half the reason why the first film worked was because the Nostromo's crew were tired, bickering everyday folk, just trying to survive & earn an honest buck. Arguably the first movie started the whole trend of presenting space as a dingy hole that we see in movies like Pitch Black, or even games like Starcraft (which really riffs the space-as-a-truckstop idea)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    I'm going to try to watch the first 3 tonight...:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Huh? John Hurt, Bill Paxton, Michael Biehn, Lance Herikkson, and pretty much everyone else involved in the first two movies were by no means star names either, far from it. Jeez if anything, Henrikkson and Biehn are bigger cheap journeymen than the likes of Postletwaithe, a classically trained actor iirc.

    I mean that was the whole point of the Alien franchise - or at least what I thought was the point - that space had become just another blue-collar workplace and that its populace were faces and people you'd likely see in our own time & workplaces. Half the reason why the first film worked was because the Nostromo's crew were tired, bickering everyday folk, just trying to survive & earn an honest buck. Arguably the first movie started the whole trend of presenting space as a dingy hole that we see in movies like Pitch Black, or even games like Starcraft (which really riffs the space-as-a-truckstop idea)

    There were no "stars" in the original Alien movie either, even Weaver wasnt acting that long.

    Completely disagree with Alien 3 looking "bland" as well, there are some stunning sets and shots in it, the blast furnace scene where they cremate the bodies during the funeral sequence is fantastic, theres a great time lapse mini doc on the dvd showing just how long it took to build such a "bland" set.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭beans


    I always assumed that the Alien inherited it's looks from the Space Jockey, there's more than a passing resemblance. With that in mind, what Scott is doing in taking the look in a different direction makes perfect sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Phony Scott


    I remember reading the original Joss Whedon draft for Alien Resurrection and thought it sounded much better than what ended up on screen. The last third of the script was different, with the hybrid described as something more akin to a spider/alien which certainly sounded better than what they ended up with. As for the prequel itself, I'm just happy that Ridley Scott is going back to do a sci-fi film, his first since Blade Runner, unless I'm mistakened. Surely that's enough to be excited?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭Lamper.sffc


    always thought the 3rd movie gets a bad rap. Not a bad movie at all and a lot of its problems where down to the studio fvcking with the original idea Fincher had. The extended version of the the 3rd movie is actually a very good film. I think there is nearly a half hour put back in and its greatly improves the film and changes the story quite a bit. Its a much better movie than the studio s original cut and closer to what Fincher had intended for the movie.

    I think its great that Ridley is back on board and if there is to be another Alien movie then there isnt anybody else who could possible do it justice.
    If the film turns out to be great then what better way to erase the AVP part of the franchise from memory.

    Ill definitely be looking forward to this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    It would be sweet if the master returned and fixed a broken franchise. I really couldn't believe it the 1st time I heard Ridley was involved - It was always a rumour for years that he was interested in doing another.

    Cameron had a script for a 5th Alien before canning it thanks to AVP, there was talk that he and Scott would team up and do the film...............now, THAT would've been brilliant!

    Though Scott's style has changed you have to have faith that the original guy will do some justice to the film!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    It would be sweet if the master returned and fixed a broken franchise. I really couldn't believe it the 1st time I heard Ridley was involved - It was always a rumour for years that he was interested in doing another.

    Cameron had a script for a 5th Alien before canning it thanks to AVP, there was talk that he and Scott would team up and do the film...............now, THAT would've been brilliant!

    Though Scott's style has changed you have to have faith that the original guy will do some justice to the film!

    I ****ing hate Tom Rothman. :mad:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    So i'm right in assuming that the alien takes on certain characteristics from its host?
    From watching Alien 3 last night, it was using its 4 legs pretty much all the time to walk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    The fact that Scott is involvied is probably a good sign. But problem is unless you have the same director directing all the movies in the franchise you cant expect it to be of the same quality.
    I have the DVD box set comprising all four moves and in a feature on on the original movie, it was revealed the cast weren't handed the relevant scene script until the day in question. Was a device to freak them out and to the tension on screen.
    Well worth getting if you are an Aliens fan particularly good stuff on the artwork and how the Alien ship was created.
    Last movie was so far removed from the original it was incredible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭Paleface


    So i'm right in assuming that the alien takes on certain characteristics from its host?
    From watching Alien 3 last night, it was using its 4 legs pretty much all the time to walk.

    Yes the Alien takes characteristics from is hosts. Ripley even alludes to this in Alien 3. I think her line is something like "I've never seen one like this before. It moves differently".

    Also doesn't AVP end with
    a predator looking alien popping out of the chest of a predator
    ?

    That's why Scotts idea is so clever. He can make them look like whatever he wants and breathe fresh live into the genre. I just hope he doesn't go overboard and we end up with Terminator Salvation scenario!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Paleface wrote: »
    Yes the Alien takes characteristics from is hosts. Ripley even alludes to this in Alien 3. I think her line is something like "I've never seen one like this before. It moves differently".

    Also doesn't AVP end with
    a predator looking alien popping out of the chest of a predator
    ?

    That's why Scotts idea is so clever. He can make them look like whatever he wants and breathe fresh live into the genre. I just hope he doesn't go overboard and we end up with Terminator Salvation scenario!

    Yep this is what made me ask the question :)

    Also in relation to your spoiler, I actually thought they did that to ham up the movie :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭Paleface


    Also in relation to your spoiler, I actually thought they did that to ham up the movie :pac:

    Well I laughed so if that was their desired effect it worked! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Well, who wants to place bets on a 12A rated Aliens movie? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Well, who wants to place bets on a 12A rated Aliens movie? :pac:

    I'm thinking 15PG. The likes of Land of the Dead and Centurion had buckets o' blood and got that rating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭mantys


    I read somewhere that the story was: Space Jockeys and another race were in a war and one of them started to breed aliens as weapons (against the other race). Of course they went berserk and killed their creators. They implanted last queen burster on the ship of the Jockey, it went out, killed the SJ, layd the eggs and died. Queen has a lifespan of 200 years, egg has 100. (No idea how they survived, but Aliens can go into a hybernation state while in a Hive and last like that for ages) The Jockey managed to turn on the warning signal.
    It said that Aliens were designed to be killing machines (no surprise) adapting quickly to any situation or environment and stealing DNA from their hosts. Aliens have only few muscles and an organ that can transform air-like gases into the jelly (from their mouth) and produce heat as a side effect. (in the movie they breathe heavily). It said that Aliens barely eat, and they prefer to cocoon their victims. It's true their lifespan is short but they evolve and mature very quickly, so they prefer to create new Aliens insted of prolonging their lifespan by eating.
    Another thing I read was that the Company (Carter Burke was the employee) tried to get hold of the Aliens before and that the Nostromo's whole journey was planned. The Company tried several times but didn't succeed.
    I read as well that it wasn't the first time humans came across Aliens.
    The blue mist above the eggs in the Breeding Chamber (Queen long dead) wasn't to protect the eggs, but to wake them up from the hybernation if disturbed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    mantys wrote: »
    I read somewhere that the story was: Space Jockeys and another race were in a war and one of them started to breed aliens as weapons (against the other race). Of course they went berserk and killed their creators. They implanted last queen burster on the ship of the Jockey, it went out, killed the SJ, layd the eggs and died. Queen has a lifespan of 200 years, egg has 100. (No idea how they survived, but Aliens can go into a hybernation state while in a Hive and last like that for ages) The Jockey managed to turn on the warning signal.
    It said that Aliens were designed to be killing machines (no surprise) adapting quickly to any situation or environment and stealing DNA from their hosts. Aliens have only few muscles and an organ that can transform air-like gases into the jelly (from their mouth) and produce heat as a side effect. (in the movie they breathe heavily). It said that Aliens barely eat, and they prefer to cocoon their victims. It's true their lifespan is short but they evolve and mature very quickly, so they prefer to create new Aliens insted of prolonging their lifespan by eating.
    Another thing I read was that the Company (Carter Burke was the employee) tried to get hold of the Aliens before and that the Nostromo's whole journey was planned. The Company tried several times but didn't succeed.
    I read as well that it wasn't the first time humans came across Aliens.
    The blue mist above the eggs in the Breeding Chamber (Queen long dead) wasn't to protect the eggs, but to wake them up from the hybernation if disturbed.

    Its too easy to disregard posts from people with low post counts or bad grammer.

    But that was a fantastic read and sounds the most plausible. I got reading up on this myself and the most interesting "theory" was the predators at war with this "space jockey" race, and the Aliens were developed by the SJ to fend off the increasing predator onslaught.

    The aliens became the predators fiercest enemy and is why they are chosen as the hunting prey for the right of passage ( its also interesting to see the aliens are in a way able to counter most of the predators technology, vision and skills, coincidental natural occurance or engineered? )

    Its fascinating **** to read up about, but its got me looking forward to the film, and im going to watch the original alien tonight, since i only watched it once, then fell in love with Aliens.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Its too easy to disregard posts from people with low post counts or bad grammer.

    But that was a fantastic read and sounds the most plausible. I got reading up on this myself and the most interesting "theory" was the predators at war with this "space jockey" race, and the Aliens were developed by the SJ to fend off the increasing predator onslaught.

    The aliens became the predators fiercest enemy and is why they are chosen as the hunting prey for the right of passage ( its also interesting to see the aliens are in a way able to counter most of the predators technology, vision and skills, coincidental natural occurance or engineered? )

    Its fascinating **** to read up about, but its got me looking forward to the film, and im going to watch the original alien tonight, since i only watched it once, then fell in love with Aliens.

    That is very very plausible i think and could be a good angle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    I think that Aliens and Predators need to be completely separated for either franchise to survive.

    I really love Alien though, I watched it on Bluray the other night and it has held up extremely well for a movie that is 31 years old with an excellent set/effects and atmosphere that is utterly terrifying. I have real hope for the prequel as long as it isn't too reliant on CGI and sticks to the same formula as the original Alien movie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    The blue mist above the eggs in the Breeding Chamber (Queen long dead) wasn't to protect the eggs, but to wake them up from the hybernation if disturbed.

    I thought it was a security beam? A sort of high tech yellow line warning the person that they are close to the object that will severly hurt them

    It reacts whenever he crossess it letting off a high pitch whine. It was continuation of the theme that everything they look at as wonderous exploration is actually a warning saying *STAY THE F*CK AWAY!* (continuing on from the signal and sj corpse)


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Raekwon wrote: »
    I think that Aliens and Predators need to be completely separated for either franchise to survive.

    I really love Alien though, I watched it on Bluray the other night and it has held up extremely well for a movie that is 31 years old with an excellent set/effects and atmosphere that is utterly terrifying. I have real hope for the prequel as long as it isn't too reliant on CGI and sticks to the same formula as the original Alien movie.

    You managed to watch Alien on Blu Ray even though they have yet to release it on the format?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Linguo


    The first two films are brilliant, not holding out much hope for this one but will still have to see it! It's a good excuse to watch the old ones again to set the mood!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Im actually quite tempted to run some sort of 'design your own alien for the prequels' competition for the Film Forum...

    please do :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Raekwon wrote: »
    I think that Aliens and Predators need to be completely separated for either franchise to survive.

    I really love Alien though, I watched it on Bluray the other night and it has held up extremely well for a movie that is 31 years old with an excellent set/effects and atmosphere that is utterly terrifying. I have real hope for the prequel as long as it isn't too reliant on CGI and sticks to the same formula as the original Alien movie.

    is Alien available on european BluRay ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,535 ✭✭✭Raekwon


    You managed to watch Alien on Blu Ray even though they have yet to release it on the format?

    Oops my bad, I meant that I steamed the 1080p Directors Cut version so it was pretty much BluRay quality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Any film involving Ridley Scott is bound to be awful.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Raekwon wrote: »
    Oops my bad, I meant that I steamed the 1080p Directors Cut version so it was pretty much BluRay quality.


    Ah ! I have this myself ! ;)

    can't locate the Aliens one though....


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