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31-07-2009 12:42pm#1
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Hi all, new to the forum, which has been a wealth of info over the past few months. Just though ye would be interested to see this:
http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/fca1%20(english).pdf
And translated that is in the Queens English????
"If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."
Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "
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I'll give it a lash
First of all things with (M) are mandatory and (c) are conditional.
Section 1:
For most of us this will be a Firearm or Restricted Firearm Cert and we will all have held a cert in the previous 3 years.
Section 2:
Mostly self explanatory. Interesting that question about name changes.
Section 2.2
This is not mandatory or even conditional
Section 2.3
This is conditional in that it doesn't have to be filled if it's a substitution. As the form is actually designed for conditions other than what it's being used for now, I'd say this is the same as a substitution and not required.
We need this to be clarified by the Gardai because otherwise we'll get FO's around the country looking for references.
Section 2.4
Previous history is mostly self explanatory
Section 2.5
Again conditional on it being a first time application, so not relevant to the vast majority here.
Section 3
Lot of options here so hopefully better stats will come of it. I presume the sight accessory is something like a night vision.
Section 3.3 and 3.4
These don't apply in this instance
Section 3.5
The secure accomodation order 2009 is not published yet
Section 4.1
Self explanatory. Note that you can put in your ammo limit here
Section 4.2
Good reason. As Section 4A is not commenced, the choice should only be Authorised rifle/pistol club for target shooting.
Section 4.3
This will be fun seeing as clubs don't have pulse id's yet.
Section 4.4
Training Certificate will need a post dedicated to itself and also needs the guidelines for clarifiaction. Suffice to say it's here at last.
Section 5.1
For the hunters
Section 5.2
One land owner?
That's it for the applicant. Some big gaps here to be filled before people can actually complete these forms.
Guidance needed badly!0 -
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Lads,
If I want a moderator for .223 do I just tick the box?
what about scopes?
Have to say, that's an interesting addition alright. May simplify life. However, interesting point: I've put notes in with my applications before explaining the various parts, giving a little bit about me and my circumstances and what I'm looking to do. Always seemed a good idea to me to be personal like that. With a document this size however, if you were dealing with a fullbore hunting rifle, you'd be including notes about yourself and the rifle, maybe a photo or two for clarity's sake, landowners' permissions, an NPWS licence, a note on the moderator and why you're looking for it, perhaps photos and notes on your security arrangements as well as the form. It becomes a not inconsiderable portfolio at that stage!0 -
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I suppose this section means that there's going to be a form FCA2 at some point.Section 1:
For most of us this will be a Firearm or Restricted Firearm Cert and we will all have held a cert in the previous 3 years.
Which is good since some of us can't fill this in (not having a family or personal GP). Mind you, I wonder what will happen to those of us who leave this blank, since we're refusing consent to the Gardai to look into our medical history by doing so.Section 2.2
This is not mandatory or even conditional
I'd be peeved if it was otherwise, but just for the sake of argument, what happens if the Gardai decide "no, we want character references from everyone"?Section 2.3
This is conditional in that it doesn't have to be filled if it's a substitution. As the form is actually designed for conditions other than what it's being used for now, I'd say this is the same as a substitution and not required.
Indeed, but for everyone from now on it will be. So some clarification from the Gardai as to what constitutes proof of competence would be good, especially seeing as how there is no list of officially Garda-approved training courses, and how even creating that list would be problematic with monopoly and ngo/state considerations to take into account.Section 2.5
Again conditional on it being a first time application, so not relevant to the vast majority here.
I love the wording though - "Sights? Erra, what'd you want them fer, aren't they just an accessory, like fuzzy dice for the car?"I presume the sight accessory is something like a night vision.
Nope, but they are going to create monster headaches and court cases in the next few years. That's a state-created anti-EU trading practice, right there in black and white.Section 3.3 and 3.4
These don't apply in this instance
3.4's might be of interest first though, since it appears to be a section for tracking what happens to privately sold firearms (whether they go to a dealer or another shooter or outside the country).
In fact, I think that's the first we've heard of it. Which is a bit of a surprise really. You'd think this sort of thing would be flagged a ways off, like the Range and Club SIs were.Section 3.5
The secure accomodation order 2009 is not published yet
And note that there seems to be an assumption in the form designer's mind that a firearm shall have at most two people licenced to possess it, unless by other user they actually meant owner and don't mind the owner not filling this bit in. I can see where it came from (the training licence), but it's a bit short-sighted to put this in the form and not just snag it from PULSE - I mean, that's what databases are for.Section 4.1
Self explanatory. Note that you can put in your ammo limit here
Yes, but why do they also want an essay as to the "specific type of firearm"? Do I now need to write up "Why my Anschutz 2002CA is better than every other kind of air rifle" or just "Why air rifles are needed for air rifle shooting"?Section 4.2
Good reason. As Section 4A is not commenced, the choice should only be Authorised rifle/pistol club for target shooting.
Yup. And since the Clubs SI doesn't seem to have made it to a website yet.Section 4.3
This will be fun seeing as clubs don't have pulse id's yet.
Amen to that. And the checklist is in need of that too...Guidance needed badly!0 -
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I'll give it a lash
First of all things with (M) are mandatory and (c) are conditional.
Section 1:
For most of us this will be a Firearm or Restricted Firearm Cert and we will all have held a cert in the previous 3 years.
Section 2:
Mostly self explanatory. Interesting that question about name changes.
Section 2.2
This is not mandatory or even conditional
Section 2.3
This is conditional in that it doesn't have to be filled if it's a substitution. As the form is actually designed for conditions other than what it's being used for now, I'd say this is the same as a substitution and not required.
We need this to be clarified by the Gardai because otherwise we'll get FO's around the country looking for references.
Section 2.4
Previous history is mostly self explanatory
Section 2.5
Again conditional on it being a first time application, so not relevant to the vast majority here.
Section 3
Lot of options here so hopefully better stats will come of it. I presume the sight accessory is something like a night vision.
Section 3.3 and 3.4
These don't apply in this instance
Section 3.5
The secure accomodation order 2009 is not published yet
Section 4.1
Self explanatory. Note that you can put in your ammo limit here
Section 4.2
Good reason. As Section 4A is not commenced, the choice should only be Authorised rifle/pistol club for target shooting.
Section 4.3
This will be fun seeing as clubs don't have pulse id's yet.
Section 4.4
Training Certificate will need a post dedicated to itself and also needs the guidelines for clarifiaction. Suffice to say it's here at last.
Section 5.1
For the hunters
Section 5.2
One land owner?
That's it for the applicant. Some big gaps here to be filled before people can actually complete these forms.
Guidance needed badly!
Just adding commentary on the other sections.
Section 6 & 7 are very simple and list your other certs and certify your identity.
Section 8
The Superintendent or Chief Superintendent filll this bit in and there's one bit that might cause trouble for restricted firearms owners:
"Where the firearm is Restricted, has demonstrated that it is the only type of firearm appropriate for the purpose for which it is required."
Section 9
The decision!
Quite helpfully the varoius reasons for a refusal are listed and it's dated. Note that there is a spot for additional conditions. The cynic in me says it's not big enough 0 -
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