crazy quote???

rodred

Hi,

i have jsut received a quote from a builder. i am hoping to yous a closed panel timber frame c/w windows, internal walls plaster boards fitted with service duct and sockets etc cut out in the walls. all windows and doors will be pre installed in the kit, all insulation is for roof and ceilings supplyed and fitted, and roof felt and battened.
the site is a corner site of existing house in a mature estate. site area is 220sqm approx, the base will be 53sqm, 2 story with converted attic space (not habitable)

i asked for a quote for everything else and am shocked at the price i got back. for example
excavations @ 9k
footings and groundslab @ 22k
blockwork (outer leaf only) @ 14k
tiling of roof and install valleys @ 7.5k
external render (dashing) @ 13K
internal plastering @ 13k
heating and gas boiler @ 13k
pluming through out hot & cold @ 7.5k
second fix carpentry (int. doors, stairs, skirts) @19k
P.C. sum for Electrical @ 12.5k
footpaths & drainage @ 8.5k
prelims @ 9.5k

maybe im a bit out of touch but some of those prices seem way excessive
for this size house.
for instance, a rough calc of the outer walls is 200sqm (with out deducting windows etc.) approx 8 block to 1sqm = 1600 blocks.
€1 to buy & €1 to lay = €3,600.00
i know there is extra costs involved but wouldnt have thought 14k + another 13k to render with pebble dash???????

obviously i am getting other quotes, but this came from my dad's friend.
am i way of the marek or are these prices about right.
all help much appreciate.
just realised how many mails im goin to have to post up on boards through out the build process.

Thanks for all feedback
Rob
i have attahced a pdf of plans, elevations etc.

Carlow52

I suspect the pricing has a lot to do with the fact that the builder is a pal of your dad. Cant help on detailed pricing

Anyway: a few questions

why all the expense in the attic for it to be non-habitable or was that just for planning app, nod, nod, wink wink.

On what basis is it non-hab?

Even though u say it is non-habitable I would think u need to apply the fire regs that apply to a 3 storey.

You are building right on the boundary line with House 198 which I presume is where u are at present ( because if u are not u will need access rights from 198:D.

The foundations for the house will actually be partly in 198

Once u build on boundary line, the access issue will arise for maintenance etc

Micky Dolenz

Pure maddness.

Keep us posted on other quotes.

jonilz

Quotes vary a lot, I'm starting a new build of a 1.5 story 230sqm. Quotes varied from 165K to 230K with same specs. Going direct labour I've costed it at way less than 100K. Now I just need some good weather to get the foundations going.
Best of luck with yours.

rodred

thanks for the commenst folks.

carlow: it wont be habitable cause we wont have the height
neccessary, but i still wanted to make use of the space even
if i can never call it anything other than storage.

we have bought the site from the owners of 198. have agreed about
the access when building etc, so should not be a problem.

i think the prices are way out, but i will keep yous updated when
i get the rest back.

cheers
Rob

Palmy

Some of the prices are way mad.Prices i think that should be

External plastering 8k
Internal plastering 5.5k
Electrical 6.5k
Plumbing 7k not including boiler

Roofing sounds about right,block work way to expensive.And these are Dublin prices i am ruffly quoting from jobs ive done.Footings and slab depending on the soil..etc and if radon system needs to be used. If you want another quote or advice shout out, ive worked in Ireland the last ten years in the building trade and , orig from New Zealand where i gained my trade certificate in carpentry (building) where timber frame construction is second nature.:)

Carlow52

rodred wrote: »

thanks for the commenst folks.

carlow: it wont be habitable cause we wont have the height
neccessary, but i still wanted to make use of the space even
if i can never call it anything other than storage.

we have bought the site from the owners of 198. have agreed about
the access when building etc, so should not be a problem.

i think the prices are way out, but i will keep yous updated when
i get the rest back.

cheers
Rob

thanks for the reply: just make sure 198 knows what is going to happen: as the drawing looks now some if not all of the foundations may be in their garden. run it past ur solicitor, am curious about the boundary line and ur build, if u build on boundary line, the bit in the garden of 198 belongs to them.. Also remember that if 198 sells the new owners may not allow any access.

In one case I worked on the verbal agreement was fine until the work actually started and then it was withdrawn. They could not even put the basket of a cherry picker into the neighbours airspace:)

Good luck with it

rodred

thanks for all the replys guys. yeah i have consent from the owners
for the over hang of the eves at roof level, i never thought about the
foundations. the people have been very nice to deal with and we did buy
the site from them so there should not be any issues.

on a seperate issue.
i have a price of 19k inc vat to have a render border and render applyed to the exterior of the timber frame. i think i should be able to get the bolck work and exterior dashing done for less than this? any one have any idea??

cheers

Carlow52

rodred wrote: »

thanks for all the replys guys. yeah i have consent from the owners
for the over hang of the eves at roof level, i never thought about the
foundations. the people have been very nice to deal with and we did buy
the site from them so there should not be any issues.

on a seperate issue.
i have a price of 19k inc vat to have a render border and render applyed to the exterior of the timber frame. i think i should be able to get the bolck work and exterior dashing done for less than this? any one have any idea??

cheers

IMO dont do the overhang, consider a parapet wall just over roof line with slope of capping stone into ur property

Tester46

rodred wrote: »

maybe im a bit out of touch but some of those prices seem way excessive
for this size house.

Well, I'm no expert, but those prices seem to be excessive alright. Are they inclusive or exclusive of VAT?

rodred

hi Carlow - planning already granted so dont think a change will be possible

tester - all prices quoted are ex vat:eek:

cheers

Carlow52

rodred wrote: »

hi Carlow - planning already granted so dont think a change will be possible

tester - all prices quoted are ex vat:eek:

cheers

Am surprised the planners did not spot that to be honest.

My view would be that it would not require a new planning app, u could talk to them.

Am not a planning expert but I do know that the overhang should be avoided.

I probably seem like a PITA on this one, my comments are based on bitter experience.

rodred

cheers, ill defo ask the question when i speak with the council.

im only coming awear of the gargantuan task ahead of me:o

cheers

Wonky Knees

It might be a good idea to get a QS to price the job and factor in the current material discounts available.

I had three quotes using same materials for groundworks.

9K was one quote, 14K was another and then 32K. When you have the material costs you can work out how much the job actually costs.

engineermike

rodred wrote: »

Hi,

i have jsut received a quote from a builder. i am hoping to yous a closed panel timber frame c/w windows, internal walls plaster boards fitted with service duct and sockets etc cut out in the walls. all windows and doors will be pre installed in the kit, all insulation is for roof and ceilings supplyed and fitted, and roof felt and battened.
the site is a corner site of existing house in a mature estate. site area is 220sqm approx, the base will be 53sqm, 2 story with converted attic space (not habitable)

i asked for a quote for everything else and am shocked at the price i got back. for example
excavations @ 9k
footings and groundslab @ 22k
blockwork (outer leaf only) @ 14k
tiling of roof and install valleys @ 7.5k
external render (dashing) @ 13K
internal plastering @ 13k
heating and gas boiler @ 13k
pluming through out hot & cold @ 7.5k
second fix carpentry (int. doors, stairs, skirts) @19k
P.C. sum for Electrical @ 12.5k
footpaths & drainage @ 8.5k
prelims @ 9.5k

maybe im a bit out of touch but some of those prices seem way excessive
for this size house.
for instance, a rough calc of the outer walls is 200sqm (with out deducting windows etc.) approx 8 block to 1sqm = 1600 blocks.
€1 to buy & €1 to lay = €3,600.00
i know there is extra costs involved but wouldnt have thought 14k + another 13k to render with pebble dash???????

obviously i am getting other quotes, but this came from my dad's friend.
am i way of the marek or are these prices about right.
all help much appreciate.
just realised how many mails im goin to have to post up on boards through out the build process.

Thanks for all feedback
Rob
i have attahced a pdf of plans, elevations etc.

Hi,
Closed panel platform frame - TF systems particularly externally insulated / 'single skin' systems have notable failure in our climatic conditions. I would be looking for independent TF engineering consultant if your building system has'nt got a fixed, ventilated cavity and /or isn't Irish Agrement approved.
The buildings envelope detailing is specialist work particularly in the connection detailing between the use of different materials & waterproofing / directing surface water run off.
mike f

DOCARCH

engineermike wrote: »

Hi,
Closed panel platform frame - TF systems particularly externally insulated / 'single skin' systems have notable failure in our climatic conditions. I would be looking for independent TF engineering consultant if your building system has'nt got a fixed, ventilated cavity and /or isn't Irish Agrement approved.
The buildings envelope detailing is specialist work particularly in the connection detailing between the use of different materials & waterproofing / directing surface water run off.
mike f

Probably a bit too late for the OP to consider at this point considering the thread started nearly 4 years ago!

muffler

No need to drag this type of thing up after three and half years.

Locked.