Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread [mod warning #11145, #32140 (see OP)]

Dont be at yourself

They're decent squad players, which is why they're in the squad. I don't think anybody is claiming they're world class.

Fink Goddie

joe123 wrote: »

My god this is exactly was annoying me since we sold Xabi. They way fans have all of a sudden just disregarded him as having not been that important. There is more to a team than just the goalscorers.

Sometimes people need to accept the clubs faults as much as their strengths.

Its looking like we wont sign any other "big" player this season. But that doesnt suddenly make Voronin a quality player, same with Ngog and Babel.

Ngog needs to toughen up (alot) and babel needs to learn when to pass and improve his touch. Voronin...needs to get better.

But seriously lads dont be calling average players quality when at the minute they are clearly not.

THANK YOU!
Someone who speaks some sense!!!


Alonso was the puppetmaster, we'll miss him a lot.

purple_hatstand

Fink Goddie wrote: »

THANK YOU!
Someone who speaks some sense!!!


Alonso was the puppetmaster, we'll miss him a lot.

I think calling the rest of the team puppets is a bit much, even for you!

Karmafaerie

joe123 wrote: »

My god this is exactly was annoying me since we sold Xabi. They way fans have all of a sudden just disregarded him as having not been that important. There is more to a team than just the goalscorers.

Sometimes people need to accept the clubs faults as much as their strengths.

Its looking like we wont sign any other "big" player this season. But that doesnt suddenly make Voronin a quality player, same with Ngog and Babel.

Ngog needs to toughen up (alot) and babel needs to learn when to pass and improve his touch. Voronin...needs to get better.

But seriously lads dont be calling average players quality when at the minute they are clearly not.

How am I disrespecting Alonso contribution?!!
I think Xabi was an amazing player for us, and he had amazing qualities.
Scoring goals however wasn't one of them.

I was asked who will score the goals.
I simply pointed out that the two players we've lost weren't goal scorers, so we still have all the scoresrs from last season.

Yes Xabi will be missed.
But I think it's fair to say an improved Lucas, Aquilani, and Johnson (over Arby) will be able to fill the creative void.

joe123

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

They're decent squad players, which is why they're in the squad. I don't think anybody is claiming they're world class.

Id nearly suggest some people were thinking they were. Im still holding out for Babel to come good, but its rare for a player with such a poor first touch to become a great great player. Ngog is afraid of his own ****e and I feel Voronin will never be good enough for us.

Jayob10

Fink Goddie wrote: »

THANK YOU!
Someone who speaks some sense!!!


Alonso was the puppetmaster, we'll miss him a lot.

Fink my good friend, I think you miss the whole point of this forum. You are not allowed to criticise anything Liverpool related here. This is where we all just agree its all super in relation to Liverpool.

"In Rafa we trust" remember?? :rolleyes:

By the way im a liverpool fan and not trolling. Just this forum makes me laugh sometimes. Objectivity is not the order of the day here.

joe123

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Yes Xabi will be missed.
But I think it's fair to say an improved Lucas, Aquilani, and Johnson (over Arby) will be able to fill the creative void.

Alot will be relying on Lucas this year I feel. If he does step up then hopefully Xabi wont be missed as much and who knows how Aquilani will adjust. Glen Johnson/Kuyt combo this year will be great for us I think.

Fink Goddie

purple_hatstand wrote: »

I think calling the rest of the team puppets is a bit much, even for you!

I could call you somethin else that rhyms with puppet for making that daft statement LOL:D

jesus_thats_gre

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Reasonably ok is good enough for the team you love yeh, its not for me!!!!

Dunno why we got rid of crouch tbh, he's better than what we have at the moment

Am out. There is no reasoning with you on the matter.

The second part about Crouch shows that you don't have a clue as to the events surrounding him leaving the club.

whatawaster

Jayob10 wrote: »

Fink my good friend, I think you miss the whole point of this forum. You are not allowed to criticise anything Liverpool related here. This is where we all just agree its all super in relation to Liverpool.

"In Rafa we trust" remember?? :rolleyes:

By the way im a liverpool fan and not trolling. Just this forum makes me laugh sometimes. Objectivity is not the order of the day here.

I don't care if Fink is criticising Liverpool. It's the double standards - Liverpool have 2 class strikers, United have 2 class strikers, Chelsea have 2 class strikers. But Liverpool don't have enough class strikers. And that's just one example of the absolute tripe being posted here in the last hour.
And the only responses you get are "Lucas . . ." or "Voronin . . ."

I think you'll find everyone but Fink did their best to be objective, give examples, backup their arguments.

Daemonic

If the players start this season (big if I know for them all to do it, but..) like they ended last year, scoring goals will be the least of our problems. I presume everyone remembers the dozen or more games after the Middlesbrough game when we attacked at will and lashed goals in for fun...defence could be another story because that definitely suffered from the more gung-ho approach but if nothing else it'll be entertaining.;)

Fink Goddie

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Am out. There is no reasoning with you on the matter.

The second part about Crouch shows that you don't have a clue as to the events surrounding him leaving the club.

Rafa messed Crouch around, yeh he wanted more first team football but Rafa could have been more accomodating to him, maybe h emight have stayed.
thats what i'm saying by gettin rid of Crouchy, now you're nit picking my dearest jebus!

Jayob10

Karmafaerie wrote: »

How am I disrespecting Alonso contribution?!!
I think Xabi was an amazing player for us, and he had amazing qualities.
Scoring goals however wasn't one of them.

I was asked who will score the goals.
I simply pointed out that the two players we've lost weren't goal scorers, so we still have all the scoresrs from last season.

Yes Xabi will be missed.
But I think it's fair to say an improved Lucas, Aquilani, and Johnson (over Arby) will be able to fill the creative void.

Karmafaerie I love your optimism its very refreshing. Xabi will be missed you are quite right.
We have significant question marks over our midfield for the coming season. We will have to change our style and I certainly hope we adapt well. With Xabi there were many games where we had 60% possession.

This will change this season I feel where we will chase it a little bit more in the middle of the field. Lucas will bring other attributes but one of them will not be to control the tempo and dictate the play like Xabi did.
Also having watched Aquilani alot (and yes I have, look back in the thread to see my views) he will not dictate the tempo either. He is a different type of player, more direct and not as robust. Id imagine he'll operate higher up the field leaving a huge emphasis on Masch to take the mantle of distributing the ball having received it in front of the back four.

Now this change of style will obviously have an impact on us this season. It may make us less effective or it may improve us. This is something we dont know, so its very fair to debate how things will pan out.

It could go either way this season but I do think Aquilani is a good player but we do need more. To compensate for loss of a tempo controlling midfielder we will need to be more direct. Aquilani is the man here I hope. But on top of that we need a dangerman out wide aswell as a back up striker of a higher quality than we already have. SO FAR we have not seen reinforcements here and IF we dont see any then I think its a disappointing summer in the transfer market and we'll be weakened.

In that case we're hoping our rivals have been weakened significantly more. I don't think Chelsea have. And ill be curious to see our performance against them in the middle of the field this coming season. Our ball retention will need to be top notch.

Either way its in the balance. We'll have to see how it plays out.

So overall, its VERY fair to debate that we have been weakened this season.

Karmafaerie

Jayob10 wrote: »

Fink my good friend, I think you miss the whole point of this forum. You are not allowed to criticise anything Liverpool related here. This is where we all just agree its all super in relation to Liverpool.

"In Rafa we trust" remember?? :rolleyes:

By the way im a liverpool fan and not trolling. Just this forum makes me laugh sometimes. Objectivity is not the order of the day here.

This is people like yours problem.
It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid to be honest.


-You come out with a point.

-People disagree with you.

-You then give out because they disagree with you.



Are we not allowed to not share your opinion?!
Why is it okay for you to disagree with us, but you get offended when somebody disagrees with you?!
It's honestly comical.


I honstly can't understand how you can'tsee the duality of your mindset.

Of course you're allowed to criticise.
But in turn of course somebody who disagrtees with you is allowed to rebut.

Example.

You: I don't like Lucas.

Me: I do.

You: Oh my God am I not allowed to have my own opinion. I can't believe that you won't accept that I'm right.
How can you possibly not see it my way.
What do you think you're doing posting facts and stats to back up your own opinion, when I'm so obviously right.
Take off the red tinted glasses.
WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME!!!!!!!

Calm down dude.
Of course you're allowed to express a dislike of a player, manager, formation, transfer etc...
But if somebody disagrees with you.
Accept it.

Fink Goddie

whatawaster wrote: »

I don't care if Fink is criticising Liverpool. It's the double standards - Liverpool have 2 class strikers, United have 2 class strikers, Chelsea have 2 class strikers. But Liverpool don't have enough class strikers. And that's just one example of the absolute tripe being posted here in the last hour.
And the only responses you get are "Lucas . . ." or "Voronin . . ."

I think you'll find everyone but Fink did their best to be objective, give examples, backup their arguments.

I didnt see you back up your argument any differently than i did mine.

There's a pack mentality in here. I know a lot of Liverpool supporters that dont bother with this thread because of that.


And it telling people to shut up, that their opinion is rubbish and stupid and that they know nothing Karmafaerie, not the omg they dont love me.

Anyway i know you all love me already xxx

Karmafaerie

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I didnt see you back up your argument any differently than i did mine.

There's a pack mentality in here. I know a lot of Liverpool supporters that dont bother with this thread because of that.

How is it a pack mentality?

If you say something, and three people disagree with you.
That's not them ganging up on you.
That's simply them expressing their opinion.

You feel marginalised and "bullied" because more people disagree with you than agree.

Grow up.

Jayob10

Karmafaerie wrote: »

This is people like yours problem.
It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid to be honest.


-You come out with a point.

-People disagree with you.

-You then give out because they disagree with you.



Are we not allowed to not share your opinion?!
Why is it okay for you to disagree with us, but you get offended when somebody disagrees with you?!
It's honestly comical.


I honstly can't understand how you can'tsee the duality of your mindset.

Of course you're allowed to criticise.
But in turn of course somebody who disagrtees with you is allowed to rebut.

Example.

You: I don't like Lucas.

Me: I do.

You: Oh my God am I not allowed to have my own opinion. I can't believe that you won't accept that I'm right.
How can you possibly not see it my way.
What do you think you're doing posting facts and stats to back up your own opinion, when I'm so obviously right.
Take off the red tinted glasses.
WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME!!!!!!!

Calm down dude.
Of course you're allowed to express a dislike of a player, manager, formation, transfer etc...
But if somebody disagrees with you.
Accept it.

ok im staggered by that post.

you seem to have taken the line that all is well at the club. As someone once said on here "if Rafa sold Torres and replaced him with Marlon Harewood" the likes of yourself would justify the ends to his means.

As I have said there is no room for debate on here. I would say that I am as down the line as it comes on here. Rafa gets praised when he justifies it. And I will question it when he makes debatable decisions i.e like he has done in the transfer market, and also in relation to his treatment of certain players ala Alonso and Crouch. I dont want to open up another can of worms.
Thats just my take on it. I have no problem whatsoever if you disagree.

But not once have i seen you question anything Rafa related so therefore I wouldn't say you are objective.

whatawaster

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Rafa messed Crouch around, yeh he wanted more first team football but Rafa could have been more accomodating to him, maybe h emight have stayed.
thats what i'm saying by gettin rid of Crouchy, now you're nit picking my dearest jebus!

accommodating how? By playing him more to the detriment of the team?

Jayob10 wrote: »

Karmafaerie I love your optimism its very refreshing. Xabi will be missed you are quite right.
We have significant question marks over our midfield for the coming season. We will have to change our style and I certainly hope we adapt well. With Xabi there were many games where we had 60% possession.

This will change this season I feel where we will chase it a little bit more in the middle of the field. Lucas will bring other attributes but one of them will not be to control the tempo and dictate the play like Xabi did.
Also having watched Aquilani alot (and yes I have, look back in the thread to see my views) he will not dictate the tempo either. He is a different type of player, more direct and not as robust. Id imagine he'll operate higher up the field leaving a huge emphasis on Masch to take the mantle of distributing the ball having received it in front of the back four.

Now this change of style will obviously have an impact on us this season. It may make us less effective or it may improve us. This is something we dont know, so its very fair to debate how things will pan out.

It could go either way this season but I do think Aquilani is a good player but we do need more. To compensate for loss of a tempo controlling midfielder we will need to be more direct. Aquilani is the man here I hope. But on top of that we need a dangerman out wide aswell as a back up striker of a higher quality than we already have. SO FAR we have not seen reinforcements here and IF we dont see any then I think its a disappointing summer in the transfer market and we'll be weakened.

In that case we're hoping our rivals have been weakened significantly more. I don't think Chelsea have. And ill be curious to see our performance against them in the middle of the field this coming season. Our ball retention will need to be top notch.

Either way its in the balance. We'll have to see how it plays out.

So overall, its VERY fair to debate that we have been weakened this season.

It is indeed a fair debate. I think until proven otherwise there is no doubt our midfield is weaker than last season.
Watching the Atletico game we did seem to be playing a different style to what we might have seen last season. Far quicker passing, both Mascherano and in particular Lucas darting forward, both full backs being quite cavalier. That is a style and approach that hopefully will work against the smaller teams at Anfield.

Jayob10

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I didnt see you back up your argument any differently than i did mine.

There's a pack mentality in here. I know a lot of Liverpool supporters that dont bother with this thread because of that.


And it telling people to shut up, that their opinion is rubbish and stupid and that they know nothing Karmafaerie, not the omg they dont love me.

Anyway i know you all love me already xxx

here here.

I know plenty who will come back once the season starts. This summer has led to ridiculous posts on both sides of the camp. Those who criticise rafa's every decision and those who follow him like a sheep follows a shepherd.

Basically this thread doesnt have any debate whatsoever.

Headshot

Jayob10 wrote: »

here here.

I know plenty who will come back once the season starts. This summer has led to ridiculous posts on both sides of the camp. Those who criticise rafa's every decision and those who follow him like a sheep follows a shepherd.

Basically this thread doesnt have any debate whatsoever.

yes it does

SlickRic

Jayob10 wrote: »

Those who criticise rafa's every decision and those who follow him like a sheep follows a shepherd.

this should make for great debate surely.

just because people don't reach the same agreement at the end doesn't mean it hasn't been debated.

Jayob10

whatawaster wrote: »

accommodating how? By playing him more to the detriment of the team?



It is indeed a fair debate. I think until proven otherwise there is no doubt our midfield is weaker than last season.
Watching the Atletico game we did seem to be playing a different style to what we might have seen last season. Far quicker passing, both Mascherano and in particular Lucas darting forward, both full backs being quite cavalier. That is a style and approach that hopefully will work against the smaller teams at Anfield.

I noticed that myself, you are right about the smaller teams im sure it may lead to us opening them up alot easier. In games like this we have dominated posession and have had nowt to show for it.

But its the games against the bigger sides that its important to keep the ball. We could very well suffer in these games this season but obviously we'll have to see.
In Europe aswell we will need to retain possession adequately. And if we can't then we need to make the most of our attacks. be very dangerous going forward and thats where we will need attacking reinforcements i reckon

ah time will tell

mayordenis

Jayob10 wrote: »

you seem to have taken the line that all is well at the club. As someone once said on here "if Rafa sold Torres and replaced him with Marlon Harewood" the likes of yourself would justify the ends to his means.

ok im staggered by that post.

The likes of you, compare Xabi Alonso leaving and being replaced with Alberto Aquilani, with Torres being replaced by Harewood.

Not all of us watch football only looking for the ****, not only looking for an angle to criticise.

I love actual debate, and I do my best to objectivly look at the situation but I often come across super duper positive, because the following is apparently reason debate

"Lucas is ****"
"N'gog is ****"
"Babel is ****"
"Voronin is ****"
"Arbeloa is ****"

Last year all the negative posters on here were banging on that Arbeloa wasn't good enough, and plenty saying similar about Alonso. Now they've left we might aswell of just lost Gerrard and Torres.
The Utter guff that gets spouted in here makes some fans get their backs up, and rightly so tbh.

jesus_thats_gre

Can someone post or PM me the code for the Fantasy Football league that has been set up for Liverpool supporters. I have no idea how to join using just the name.

joe123

I would actually agree there is a slight pack mentality in here at times. If someone mentions anything to do with saying the likes of Lucas arent good enough they are usually jumped upon by the same number of posters and hit with stats after stats and post after post.

Usually force fed the notion that they are wrong.

mayordenis

joe123 wrote: »

I would actually agree there is a slight pack mentality in here at times. If someone mentions anything to do with saying the likes of Lucas arent good enough they are usually jumped upon by the same number of posters and hit with stats after stats and post after post.

Usually force fed the notion that they are wrong.

I'd love to talk with this with you or anyone else, really would but the debate descends intp farce in here immediately. Both sides most likely culpable.

Jayob10

mayordenis wrote: »

ok im staggered by that post.

The likes of you, compare Xabi Alonso leaving and being replaced with Alberto Aquilani, with Torres being replaced by Harewood.

Not all of us watch football only looking for the ****, not only looking for an angle to criticise.

I love actual debate, and I do my best to objectivly look at the situation but I often come across super duper positive, because the following is apparently reason debate

"Lucas is ****"
"N'gog is ****"
"Babel is ****"
"Voronin is ****"
"Arbeloa is ****"

Last year all the negative posters on here were banging on that Arbeloa wasn't good enough, and plenty saying similar about Alonso. Now they've left we might aswell of just lost Gerrard and Torres.
The Utter guff that gets spouted in here makes some fans get their backs up, and rightly so tbh.

I dont see how i am making the comparison that losing Alonso for Aquilani would be like Torres leaving for Harewood.
Theres no need to be staggered mates.

I was merely pointing out the depths some people will go to show the manager is bullet proof.

If ya check back on my posts you will actually see that I rate Aquilani and think he will do well, albeit he is a slightly different player to Xabi.

whatawaster

Jayob10 wrote: »

here here.

I know plenty who will come back once the season starts. This summer has led to ridiculous posts on both sides of the camp. Those who criticise rafa's every decision and those who follow him like a sheep follows a shepherd.

Basically this thread doesnt have any debate whatsoever.

There may be some who follow Rafa’s every decision like a Sheep as you put it, but the vast majority simply support Rafa because they have liked what he’s doing and have made informed and reasoned decisions based on factors like the following:

1. He has had to put up with sh*t at boardroom level practically every season since he’s been here
2. He’s loyal to us – twice turning down Madrid
3. There is no viable alternative manager who would be better than Rafa
4. He has improved us every season
5. He’s made these improvements slowly but steadily, never compromising the stability of the club
6. He’s spent 83 million pounds in 6 summers doing this. Works out at less than 14 million a summer. Which is remarkable.

Number 5 is the real key for me.

I am a big Rafa supporter, but I am willing to criticise his decisions. He’s made bad purchases. He’s made bad tactical decisions. He’s cost us points in the Premier league with these decisions.

Jayob10

mayordenis wrote: »

ok im staggered by that post.

The likes of you, compare Xabi Alonso leaving and being replaced with Alberto Aquilani, with Torres being replaced by Harewood.

Not all of us watch football only looking for the ****, not only looking for an angle to criticise.

I love actual debate, and I do my best to objectivly look at the situation but I often come across super duper positive, because the following is apparently reason debate

"Lucas is ****"
"N'gog is ****"
"Babel is ****"
"Voronin is ****"
"Arbeloa is ****"

Last year all the negative posters on here were banging on that Arbeloa wasn't good enough, and plenty saying similar about Alonso. Now they've left we might aswell of just lost Gerrard and Torres.
The Utter guff that gets spouted in here makes some fans get their backs up, and rightly so tbh.

And also I would like to point out I agree with your sentiments in relation to peoples responses being Lucas/ Voronin/ N'gog is crap. I cannot stand why someone will not explain their viewpoint.

What I am trying to say is that there are extreme views on both sides and it does usually descend into farce when there is a disagreement.

joe123

mayordenis wrote: »

ok im staggered by that post.

The likes of you, compare Xabi Alonso leaving and being replaced with Alberto Aquilani, with Torres being replaced by Harewood.

Not all of us watch football only looking for the ****, not only looking for an angle to criticise.

I love actual debate, and I do my best to objectivly look at the situation but I often come across super duper positive, because the following is apparently reason debate

"Lucas is ****"
"N'gog is ****"
"Babel is ****"
"Voronin is ****"
"Arbeloa is ****"

Last year all the negative posters on here were banging on that Arbeloa wasn't good enough, and plenty saying similar about Alonso. Now they've left we might aswell of just lost Gerrard and Torres.
The Utter guff that gets spouted in here makes some fans get their backs up, and rightly so tbh.

While not wholey agreeing with the poster you quoted I do agree that its very hard around here to mention any negatives about players.

The general consensus amongst Liverpool fans (last season anyways was Lucas isnt good enough). Im just using an example by the way as Lucas is often discussed.

But on here your nearly accused of not knowing or understanding football. That your not a true fan of the club or the game etc. Some people will only see their own point of view and just wont accept that maybe just maybe someone actually thinks Lucas is ****e.

It works both ways. You may think your point of view is right but then attacking another posters post and dismissing it as "pure guff", dont you think that might get their backs up?

Jayob10

whatawaster wrote: »

There may be some who follow Rafa’s every decision like a Sheep as you put it, but the vast majority simply support Rafa because they have liked what he’s doing and have made informed and reasoned decisions based on factors like the following:

1. He has had to put up with sh*t at boardroom level practically every season since he’s been here
2. He’s loyal to us – twice turning down Madrid
3. There is no viable alternative manager who would be better than Rafa
4. He has improved us every season
5. He’s made these improvements slowly but steadily, never compromising the stability of the club
6. He’s spent 83 million pounds in 6 summers doing this. Works out at less than 14 million a summer. Which is remarkable.

Number 5 is the real key for me.

I am a big Rafa supporter, but I am willing to criticise his decisions. He’s made bad purchases. He’s made bad tactical decisions. He’s cost us points in the Premier league with these decisions.

well then I would say that you and I are on the same page.

prendy

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Rafa messed Crouch around, yeh he wanted more first team football but Rafa could have been more accomodating to him, maybe h emight have stayed.
thats what i'm saying by gettin rid of Crouchy, now you're nit picking my dearest jebus!

he was behind Stevie and Nando. How would you accomodate him? Drop Gerrard or change the system?

you talk some amount of rubbish.

whatawaster

joe123 wrote: »

I would actually agree there is a slight pack mentality in here at times. If someone mentions anything to do with saying the likes of Lucas arent good enough they are usually jumped upon by the same number of posters and hit with stats after stats and post after post.

Usually force fed the notion that they are wrong.

The problem is people don’t come in and say “lads I’ve been watching Lucas closely, understand that he’s young and still learning, but I just don’t think he’s going to make it here.” If they did, there’d be disagreements, sure. But there’d be a reasonable debate. It’s when idiots come in saying “he’s the worst Brazilian ever” that I and many others get so frustrated. Worse still when people condone his treatment at the hands of the morons masquerading as pool fans at the Fulham game last year.

Not force fed anything.

jesus_thats_gre

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Can someone post or PM me the code for the Fantasy Football league that has been set up for Liverpool supporters. I have no idea how to join using just the name.

Someone

Jayob10

prendy wrote: »

he was behind Stevie and Nando. How would you accomodate him? Drop Gerrard or change the system?

you talk some amount of rubbish.

well you could debate that a good man manager manages to keep all his valuable players happy, makes them feel important, part of the squad etc...
Its a fair point the poster makes and again you have highlighted such personal attacks on here for merely giving an opinion, that may be articulated better.
I was in Athens in 2007 and I think Milan were delighted Crouch was used so sparringly. I think Maldini was even quoted afterwards saying he was surprised (and happy) Crouch didnt figure earlier in the game or from the start.

Headshot

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Someone

ill pm ya the man utd one jesus_thats_gre

Chardee MacDennis

Fink Goddie wrote: »

THANK YOU!
Someone who speaks some sense!!!


Alonso was the puppetmaster, we'll miss him a lot.

yet we were a two man team last year apparently...

not saying you said that btw, just commenting on the general opinion that suddenly Alonso was our most important player...

Jayob10

whatawaster wrote: »

The problem is people don’t come in and say “lads I’ve been watching Lucas closely, understand that he’s young and still learning, but I just don’t think he’s going to make it here.” If they did, there’d be disagreements, sure. But there’d be a reasonable debate. It’s when idiots come in saying “he’s the worst Brazilian ever” that I and many others get so frustrated. Worse still when people condone his treatment at the hands of the morons masquerading as pool fans at the Fulham game last year.

Not force fed anything.

well said, post of the day

DrumSteve

its like groundhog day in this thread... jeez.

anyways... anybody got the details of the FF?

jesus_thats_gre

Headshot wrote: »

ill pm ya the man utd one jesus_thats_gre

Hook a brother up so I can school you punks

joe123

whatawaster wrote: »

The problem is people don’t come in and say “lads I’ve been watching Lucas closely, understand that he’s young and still learning, but I just don’t think he’s going to make it here.” If they did, there’d be disagreements, sure. But there’d be a reasonable debate. It’s when idiots come in saying “he’s the worst Brazilian ever” that I and many others get so frustrated. Worse still when people condone his treatment at the hands of the morons masquerading as pool fans at the Fulham game last year.

Not force fed anything.

I know that but there have been posts with people explaining why they think Lucas isnt good enough etc and then they are jumped upon. Same goes with people suggesting Rafas rotation or the possibility of switching formations etc with Villa coming in.

There are always the posts with just random statements like "ah lucas is ****e worst player ever" sort of thing. But ive seen people post fairly decent stuff yet there post will be dismantled.

Too many people around here wont accept other peoples views. Look back over the thread and see how many times posters will quote someone elses post and just say "Jesus you post an awful lot of ****e" or "you know nothing about football".

There are two divisions in the Liverpool thread. Those who defend everything about the club and those who criticize everything about the club. It would be a much better place if both could be able to do both now and again.

Not everythings perfect but not everythings wrong.

Then again I suppose if we had that there would be no debate.:pac:

Headshot

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Hook a brother up so I can school you punks

on 1 condition you have to have Ryan giggs in CM

joe123

Has anyone actually created a FF liverpool league yet?

Once its created usually youl have a code such as 123456-78910

Whoever creates it then pm those who want in?

jesus_thats_gre

Headshot wrote: »

on 1 condition you have to have Ryan giggs in CM

While players seem to, I don't think FF organisers give sympathy points Otherwise, Giggs would be a heck of a buy

redzerdrog

thebhoy set the league up but isnt online atm so anyone that wants the code can pm me if you like and i will give it

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jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

While players seem to, I don't think FF organisers give sympathy points Otherwise, Giggs would be a heck of a buy

ohhhh

oh no you didnt

your lucky iv have to go or they'll be heck to pay, heck I say

Karmafaerie

Do some people here actually realise what the word "debate" means?!!
Seeing as Lucas-gate is what's been mentioned here, I'll take that.

If someone comes out with crap like "Lucas is sh1te, worst Brasilian ever", I'll treat it like the crap it is and dismiss it offhand.

If someone comes out however and posts a well thought out reason as to why they think Lucas is a bad player, I'll respond in kind.

If they give their reasons as to why Lucas is bad, yes I will try and dismantle their argument with mine.
That's how a debate works.

You have two people with opposing viewpoints and both parties express those viewpoints.
Trying to prove to the other that they're incorrect.

Quite often people come on here, and do post their reasons for not rating Lucas.
Those who do rate him however, are perfectly entitled to say so, and rebut the post.
It's not bullying, or ganging up.
It's expressing our opinion the same way the original poster did.

However, it's often the case here, that when someone does post a negative argument, and the people who think positive post a counter argument, the first poster seems to take it personally, insists the rebut is "red tinted glasses" or "Rafa worship", and dismiss it off hand.

Posting the reasons I like Lucas, doesn't mean that I'm biased or have my head stuck up Rafa's ar$e.
It's simply me trying to express my opinion.

If my opinion differs from yours, enjoy the debate, don't take it personal.

I'm one of the more active posters here, and with the exception of Boggles, most of the more active posters are pro Rafa.
So I believe the incorrect conception that some take is that it's ganging up.
No.
It's simply us posting our opinions.

If people can't accept us doing so, then in fairness they shouldn't be doing the same themselves.

DrumSteve

i think the main problem with people in this thread is that some of them just like arguing for the sake of it... I mean really this whole lucas thing is boring. I would post in here normally but for **** sake every day i come and read the posts and its the same thing:

Monday: Lucas is ****; No he's not ****. Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.
Tuesday:Lucas is ****; No he's not ****.Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.
Wednesday:Lucas is ****; No he's not ****.Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.
Thursday:Lucas is ****; No he's not ****.Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.
Friday:Lucas is ****; No he's not ****.Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.
Saturday:Lucas is ****; No he's not ****.Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.
Sunday:Lucas is ****; No he's not ****.Alonso's gone we're gonna lose the league. No We're gonna win cos he's gone. Rafa out. Rafa In.

I mean does it not get boring for you? I wouldnt mind but its the same people each time. Jesus give it a break.

K-9

I don't think anybody would say Lucas is the best Brazilian player ever either! Even his biggest supporters agree he is young and has to improve this year.

Rafa and Lucas himself have both said this.

Kuyt got a lot of criticism last year and I wondered why Rafa always picked him. Think we know why now!

It's the people who just write the likes of Kuyt or Lucas off because they aren't a Gerard or Nando that are annoying.

stevoslice

lads,
PM me if ya want in the league, not gonna post the code and NOT gonna read through all the posts here to see who wants in, so far we have: -

username - team
thebhoy - The Damned United
wcarey1975 - the also rans
redzerdrog - redzers rejects
Crash Bang Wall - the Tangerines.
aaronh007 - Aaron's Red Barons
Brando_ie - KanesOldMan
SlickRic - The Aqualoving 11
SWAR - Abu Dhabi do Pool
Board@Work - board@worklfc

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Pyjamarama
alibabba
internelligent
slingerz


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