Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread [mod warning #11145, #32140 (see OP)]

PiE · 14-08-2009 11:16am

Breaking news on SSN - "Torres signs improved contract"

Not on the website yet.

spockety · 14-08-2009 11:25am

Can someone PM me the fantasy league code?

Cheers.

~Rebel~ · 14-08-2009 11:26am

Fernando Torres has put pen to paper on a new and improved contract at Anfield.
The 25-year old striker agreed the terms of the deal back in May and has now completed the formalities of signing the new contract.

Torres was already tied to Anfield for the next four seasons after signing a six-year deal in 2007.

This new contract includes an option for a further year's extension to 2014.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165415090814-1038.htm

mike65 · 14-08-2009 11:29am

So we are stuck with him for maybe another 5 years?

Here's another name that just got thrown in the mix - Argentinian dwarf striker Matias de Federico

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 11:30am

Is he a real life Dwarf?

purple_hatstand · 14-08-2009 11:46am

PiE wrote: »

Breaking news on SSN - "Torres signs improved contract"

Not on the website yet.

the guardian now has the story....http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/14/fernando-torres-liverpool-new-deal.........is fantastic, no?

5starpool · 14-08-2009 11:48am

Football season, YAY!!!

Can't wait.

dardoz · 14-08-2009 11:49am

with an option of a 1 year extension. \o/

~Rebel~ · 14-08-2009 11:52am

Here's the de federico in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On1BpyGS0s4

jesus_thats_gre · 14-08-2009 11:53am

Considering that Nando was only on 70k, you would wonder what Andre is on. Would have assumed aroun 50k but maybe it could be lower.

gucci · 14-08-2009 11:53am

So are we expecting Torres to pile on the pounds and take the foot off the gas Mark Viduka style now he has a new contract?

prendy · 14-08-2009 12:03pm

gucci wrote: »

So are we expecting Torres to pile on the pounds and take the foot off the gas Mark Viduka style now he has a new contract?

i'm expecting a fairytale season. 45 goals and 4 cups!:D

5starpool · 14-08-2009 12:11pm

prendy wrote: »

i'm expecting a fairytale season. 45 goals and 4 cups!:D

And still get pipped to the top club scorer award by Stevie....

bluefinger · 14-08-2009 12:13pm

prendy wrote: »

i'm expecting a fairytale season. 45 goals and 4 cups!:D

I love the smell of pre-season optimism in the morning.

whatawaster · 14-08-2009 12:20pm

mike65 wrote: »

So we are stuck with him for maybe another 5 years?

Here's another name that just got thrown in the mix - Argentinian dwarf striker Matias de Federico

where did you hear this?

mike65 · 14-08-2009 12:28pm

Some random site, goal.com I think. His name is linked with several clubs, no doubt he has an agent working overtime (3 phones on the go, one perched under his chin all the time)

noodler · 14-08-2009 12:51pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Berba says hello.

Well I hope he is not saying hello to me, I certainly never proclaimed Riera had one of the best touches in the prem!

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Slow? Bit unfair, still faster then most. Lacking any real trickery!? Are we talking about the same guy!? Riera has the touch of an angel and simply glides past players whenever he's on, or close to, form. Him and Yossi are the only 2 in the senior squad who can regularly pull a trick out of their ass to beat a man.

Wafer thin? In the attacking midfield positions we have Babel, Kuyt, Yossi, Gerrard, Riera, El Zhar, Voronin and even Aurelio if needs be. Now, I see a gap, but its not one to be filled with another body, another guy making up the numbers who frankly is well past his best. The gap that we have is someone to turn all but 2 of the above into quality backup - someone to be a first choice player without doubt if fit - someone like Silva, or Ribery, or Suarez. If we could get one of those types of players, fantastic, but if not, i see no reason to add yet another body to add to an already bulging compliment of 'decent' amc's. Maybe last season, before Riera came in, but i just dont see it being a good move for either pool or Duff.

<edit> just to show im not nuts, lots of nice bits of trickery and pace from riera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5iWsqyLoeI

A fundamental disagreement exists between us then on the value of the likes of El Zhar and Babel actually making an impact, hell even playing a fair amount of games for Liverpool. The idea Duff could be less effective than the anonymous Babel from last season here is amazing.

Dub13 wrote: »

So we both agree the Liverpool squad (like all squads) has some 'bit part players',and you think bringing in Duff would better the team.This is were we differ,Duff could maybe offer something I don't think he would but for the sake of this argument lets say he does.Now Mr Duff would come cheap but have no doubt's his wages would be massive,I think he is on about 80k a week at Newcastel so lets say he takes a nice hit and gets 40/50k a week at LFC.

Do you still think this is a good idea..?Remembering Duff is 30 and playing out wide is a young mans games these days.

Duff has alot more to his game then simply staying out wide, he can pick a pass, he cuts inside effectively, is a good dribbler and has a workrate that can't be questioned. Why you see a correlation between his wages at Newcastle and what he would be on at Liverpool (in the most hypothetical sense of course) is beyond me. He would, and would have to, accept a massive wage cut no matter what Prem club he joined.

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I've seen every single Ireland game for well over a decade.
I've been to a fair few, although Wednesday nights was my first in a few years.

I've seen Duff play God knows how many times over the years.
And the simple fact of the matter is, unfortunately, he's passed it.

And I love the irony of people who call Voronin/Lucas etc not good enough to pull on the red jersey, calling for us to buy Duff!

LMFAO!!!

Well my friend, reevaluate your opinion because it is flawed. Past it? In that he isn't as good as he was at Chelsea? So? What exactly does that mean? Is there not a place for him in the premiership because he isn't as good as he was when he was playing in a PL winning side? I love your simplt fact of the matter is bit too - he has been our most consistent outfield player bar Dunne in the last 4 years and one of the few who actually demands the ball.

Perhaps I'll finish by saying that Duff is no world beater, nor do I believe him to be so. The disagreement here really relates to the ability of the people he would replace/play alongside. We all hope El Zhar, Babel, N'Gog, Lucas and Voronin will make a signifcant impact this season but thats all it is - hope. When you compared those 5 to their equivalents from the other top 4 clubs, you expect the those fringe players to perform - thats the difference.

jesus_thats_gre · 14-08-2009 1:21pm

Would agree with Noodler on Duff myself. Would offer a lot more than anyone we have on the bench.

Dickerty · 14-08-2009 1:23pm

mike65 wrote: »

Aparently Rafa said Johnson would help Gerrard and Torres, not that he was looking for a new signing to help Gerrard and Torres.

Really? It specifically says -

We had to bring in quality, and Johnson is a good player," "We will now look for someone to help [Fernando] Torres and [Steven] Gerrard.

His English is good enough now to say what he means...

mike65 · 14-08-2009 1:33pm

Yeah but thats assuming the words were correctly reported, or did you see/hear him say it?

Karmafaerie · 14-08-2009 1:38pm

noodler wrote: »

Well my friend, reevaluate your opinion because it is flawed. Past it? In that he isn't as good as he was at Chelsea? So? What exactly does that mean? Is there not a place for him in the premiership because he isn't as good as he was when he was playing in a PL winning side? I love your simplt fact of the matter is bit too - he has been our most consistent outfield player bar Dunne in the last 4 years and one of the few who actually demands the ball.

So you'e saying that he's not the player he was for Chelsea....4 years ago....when Chelsea are the team that finished bellow us last year....and we have to progress, not regress!!!

Please tell me what part of that makes sense?

Duff wasn't good enough for a title challenging team 4 years ago.
He's not as good now as he was then.
But suddenly he is good enough for Liverpool!!!

WTF!!!:eek:

We want players that would make it at a top club, not ones that were passed on 4 years ago!

Allow me to put it to you this way.

Would Duff make it into the Chelski or Utd team of today?
No.

Would he make it into the Liverpool one?
Only in Football manager.

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 1:43pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

We want players that would make it at a top club, not ones that were passed on 4 years ago!

*cough*cough*
Glen Johnson

i agree with what you're saying about Duff, your logic is a little flawed though;)

Babel has the potential to be a lot better than Duff could ever be in the future, bringing Duff would make it even less likely for him to start to fulfill that potential.

And as it stands Riera & Benayoun are better than Duff anyway, so there is no need.

whatawaster · 14-08-2009 1:48pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Would agree with Noodler on Duff myself. Would offer a lot more than anyone we have on the bench.

Riera/Benayoun and Babel are our backup wide players. Not in a million years would i swap one of them for Duff.

Sir Gallagher · 14-08-2009 1:50pm

Lads just a bit off topic but i got the new white euro jersey yesterday in JJB in The Square Tallaght for 44 quid, absolute bargain, lovely jersey too.

Karmafaerie · 14-08-2009 1:51pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

*cough*cough*
Glen Johnson

i agree with what you're saying about Duff, your logic is a little flawed though;)

Babel has the potential to be a lot better than Duff could ever be in the future, bringing Duff would make it even less likely for him to start to fulfill that potential.

And as it stands Riera & Benayoun are better than Duff anyway, so there is no need.

Ahh, but I think you'll find I said.

karmafaerie wrote:

Duff wasn't good enough for a title challenging team 4 years ago.
He's not as good now as he was then.
But suddenly he is good enough for Liverpool!!!

I think we can all agree that GJ doesn't fall into that catogory.;)

Karmafaerie · 14-08-2009 1:52pm

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Lads just a bit off topic but i got the new white euro jersey yesterday in JJB in The Square Tallaght for 44 quid, absolute bargain, lovely jersey too.

I have the Black and Red form last year.
That'll do me for now.

I do like the look of the White one though.

jesus_thats_gre · 14-08-2009 1:59pm

whatawaster wrote: »

Riera/Benayoun and Babel are our backup wide players. Not in a million years would i swap one of them for Duff.

He would offer a lot more than Babel in my opinion. Babel is grand for the last 10 mins when the opposition are wrecked. He is also extremely one dimensional and can barely control a ball.

Anyway, makes no difference as it isn't going to happen.

8-10 · 14-08-2009 1:59pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I have the Black and Red form last year.
That'll do me for now.

I do like the look of the White one though.

The Grey Jersey was the best away jersey in years! I can't believe it's been replaced.

jesus_thats_gre · 14-08-2009 2:01pm

God awful jersey

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 2:01pm

if Babel leaves Liverpool i want someone with the potential to be world class to replace him. Not someone like duff who would clearly just be a stopgap.

Also don't think Duff would be happy being third choice.

Karmafaerie · 14-08-2009 2:13pm

8-10 wrote: »

The Grey Jersey was the best away jersey in years! I can't believe it's been replaced.

It was a commemorative jersey for the 20th anniversary of Hillsborough.

One season only.

el dude · 14-08-2009 2:18pm

Duff? Wouldn't be that disappointed if we did sign him. The squad could do with a bit of added depth if you ask me. Duff wouldn't play that much you'd imagine, but he'd be a decent option if the injuries started stacking up, better than El Zhar that's for certain.

Karmafaerie · 14-08-2009 2:25pm

Liverpool squad: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Ayala, Benayoun, Lucas, Gerrard, Mascherano, Riera, Kuyt, Torres, Babel, Cavalieri, Degen, Dossena, Ngog, Plessis, Voronin, San Jose.

Gerrard is 50/50 it seems and will get a late fitness test tomorrow.
Agger is out.

mike65 · 14-08-2009 2:28pm

edit.

missingtime · 14-08-2009 2:28pm

el dude wrote: »

Duff? Wouldn't be that disappointed if we did sign him. The squad could do with a bit of added depth if you ask me. Duf wouldn't play that much you'd imagine, but he'd be a decent option of the inuries started stacking up, better than El Zhar that's for certain.

El Zhar has an air of Darren Fletcher about him...might just need time. He always brings a bit more urgency when he comes on and Torres tends to spark up a bit more.

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 2:32pm

the only difference between El Zhar & Duff at the moment imo is that one has the potential to get better & the other doesn't.

NukaCola · 14-08-2009 2:36pm

All this Duff talk is nonsense really. We aren't in for him. Why would we be. On the left we have Riera and Benny who are better and Babel who really needs to play also. I'd rather spend money on cover for the CB/CM position.

5starpool · 14-08-2009 2:49pm

I assume from that squad the lineup (assuming Gerrard is fit) will be:

Reina

Johnson---Carra----Skrtl

Insua

Masch

Lucas

Kuyt

Benayoun

Gerrard

Torres

Interesting to see if Lucas and Stevie do interchange a bit throughout the first few games though as some have been speculating.

slingerz · 14-08-2009 2:52pm

woud have thought kelly would have been in the squad before san jose

Dublin_Gunner · 14-08-2009 2:58pm

5starpool wrote: »

I assume from that squad the lineup (assuming Gerrard is fit) will be:
Reina
Johnson---Carra----Skrtl
Insua
Masch
Lucas
Kuyt
Benayoun
Gerrard
Torres

Interesting to see if Lucas and Stevie do interchange a bit throughout the first few games though as some have been speculating.

I'd say he'll start Riera, and keep Benny on the bench.

missingtime · 14-08-2009 2:59pm

God I really really really hope we thrash Spurs.

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 3:02pm

think its gonna be a really tough game.

expect Spurs to do well this year & for WHL to be a tough place to get anything.

Karmafaerie · 14-08-2009 3:15pm

I'd be happy with an injury time 0-1 with the winner bouncing off Lucas' backside!!!

whatawaster · 14-08-2009 3:18pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'd be happy with an injury time 0-1 with the winner bouncing off Lucas' backside!!!

So would I, but it would be nice to get going the way we ended last season.

I expect us to score, probably more than once. 2-1 to us.

It’s a crime if Kelly is not in our squad and Ayala and Degen are.

Crash Bang Wall · 14-08-2009 3:19pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'd be happy with an injury time 0-1 with the winner bouncing off Lucas' backside!!!

Snap to that!!

Dont be at yourself · 14-08-2009 3:19pm

There will definitely be goals. WHL saw more goals last year than any other ground, and their defence is looking very shakey - as is ours, potentially!

Liverpool to outscore Spurs, I hope.

spockety · 14-08-2009 3:20pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

think its gonna be a really tough game.

expect Spurs to do well this year & for WHL to be a tough place to get anything.

People say that every year. I expect the match this Sunday to be the one that puts the nail in Spurs coffin of hopes for the season.

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 3:23pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

I'd be happy with an injury time 0-1 with the winner bouncing off Lucas' backside!!!

Yep thats pretty much the only way Lucas could score.

spockety · 14-08-2009 3:24pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yep thats pretty much the only way Lucas could score.

I'd say the only way you score is with some bouncing off yer backside as well.

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 3:26pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yep thats pretty much the only way Lucas could score.

or long range screamers, late runs into the box, headers, ones like he has in the past :rolleyes:

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread [mod warning #11145, #32140 (see OP)]

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