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A Dub in Glasgo

I see Rasmussen scored 2 for the reserves today against Kilmarnock, the guy must a tad annoyed that he is 5th choice

Dempsey

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I see Rasmussen scored 2 for the reserves today against Kilmarnock, the guy must a tad annoyed that he is 5th choice

He's basically 5th choice because of the cost of Fortune and Keane, not their actual performances. I think he'd be a better partner for Keane as he stays central and decent in the air

Eirebear

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Taken from another message board - not my post but should be useful for a little discussion given Motherwell's chalked off goal last night...

Decisons that have went against Celtic have cost Celtic 9 points this season.

Rangers have gained 6 points from dodgy decisions and have stayed in Scottish Cup due to a dodgy decison. A potential 15 point swing based on poor referreing decisions.

3 opposing SPL managers make admission to the poor decisions against Celtic and a ref admits to error.

8 stonewall penalties denied for celtic and 4 valid goals chopped off.

Anyone wanting evidence for poor decisions or bias refereeing use these as examples and the quotes from media.

10 Feb 2010 Motherwell 1 Rangers 1 Motherwell denied a goal which was 2 yards onside that would have put them 2-0 up.
Ref - Calum Murray (linesman flagged incorrectly for offside though.)
Craig Brown was livid after seeing TV evience showing goal was well onside, TV pundits Hendry and Butcher both agree goal should have stood. Ray Stubbs on ESPN said that point could make all the difference at end of season.
The Telegraph - However, there was a controversial moment with 54 minutes gone when Motherwell were denied a second goal of the night. Hateley's free-kick was met by Craigan, whose effort looked netbound and was helped over the line by Forbes only for the latter to be flagged for offside - despite television pictures appearing to show he was onside.

1 point gained for Rangers



16 Jan 2010 - Celtic v Falkirk 3 major decisions go against Celtic
1. Hand ball by falkirk defender - no penalty
2. Fortune pulled down in box - no penalty
3. Arthur handles ball 17 yards from goal 1 yard inside his box and a free kick is given to Fakirk 20 yards from goal. This could have gave Falkirk the winning goal.
Referee - Alan Muir
Mail on Sunday "Falkirk manager Eddie May said: 'Overall, I thought it was a fair result. But I think they should have had a penalty.
Daily Mail - “Alan Muir denied the Parkhead club a late penalty claim - when Brian McLean tangled with Marco Fortune - in the 1-1 draw with Falkirk on Saturday. Hinkel was also unhappy about Celtic keeper Artur Boruc being penalised for apparently stepping out of his area late on. 'It's not really my thing to say something about referees but, once again, we had some very strange decisions,' said Hinkel. 'Not even just the penalty - look at the situation when Artur had a free-kick given against him.
2 points dropped. Opposing manager admits Celtic should have had penalty.



10 Jan 2010 - Hamilton v Rangers - 3-2 down and a very very doubtful penalty given to Rangers Hamilton player lying on ground while trying to move his hand away hand ball penalty given.
Referee – Charlie Richmond
Scotsman - "they needed a touch of good fortune to equalise when referee Charlie Richmond rather harshly penalised Hamilton debutant Stuart Elliott for handball, awarding the spot-kick from which Kenny Miller converted."
A gift given to Rangers by ref to keep them in the Cup. Its ok saying Richmond denied Miller a penalty in the replay but if it was not for the ludicrous decison in first game there would have been no replay.



3 Jan 2010 - Celtic v Rangers 2 shocking decisons costs Celtic the 3 points (regardless of the poor finishing)
Fortune scores a goal - chopped off incorrectly.
Lafferty assaults Hinkel - a red card offence but only yellow given.
Referee - Steve Conroy
Scotsman - "following the controversial decision by Conroy to disallow what looked like a perfectly good Fortune goal after 19 minutes. Moments later, Rangers striker Kyle Lafferty was perhaps fortunate only to be booked for a late challenge on Celtic right-back Andreas Hinkel."
2 points dropped 1 gained for Rangers. 2 derbys in a row that multiple decisons go against Celtic.



12 Dec 2009 Motherwell v Celtic. celtic denied 2 stonewall penalties.
Samaras chopped in box in 1st half - No penalty.
Hand ball by Motherwell defender - No penalty
Referee - Charlie Richmond
celtic get awarded a penalty but only after aving 3 claims for a penalty , two of which were stonewallers.
Guardian - "Even if Celtic did have a legitimate claim for a penalty when Samaras was tripped by Reynolds. Another two poor decisions from referee Charlie Richmond denied them penalties after McGeady had equalised,When Celtic were finally awarded a penalty for Saunders's foul on Samaras, Robson gave the goalkeeper an easy save with a weak shot close to his left side."



Nov 8 2009 Falkirk v Celtic At 3-3 in last minute Celtic had goal disallowed when TV should it was onside.
Flag goes up for offside when Samaras clearly onside right through on goal.
Referee - Brian Winter
Daily Record ' "Celtic fans yelped in frustration - and their mood would not have improved when television replays showed assistant Lawrence Kerrigan was wrong to flag for offside when Samaras was played in behind the Bairns defence in injury time.

His shot may have been blocked by Olejnik but it dropped to McDonald who poked the ball into the net only to see the flag fluttering along his line of vision. To be fair, Celtic players kept their protests to a minimum.
2 points dropped



Oct 4 2009 Rangers v Celtic. Celtic denied 2 stonewall penalties. Maloney booked for diving.Referee later apologises for getting one penalty decision rong. Lafferty assaults Zhing Zhi and Weir recklessly follows through on McDonald. Neither booked.
Referee - Craig Thomson
STV website and various media - "Old Firm referee Craig Thomson has admitted he’s “disappointed” at getting his decision wrong when he decided not to award Celtic a penalty in the 12th minute. Hugh Dallas said "Craig and I have had our post match de-brief. Whilst I would compliment Craig for his overall handling of yesterday's encounter, he is disappointed at his error of judgement when he decided against awarding a penalty to the visiting team in the 12th minute.”
BBC Website - "Celtic were denied what looked a certain penalty when David Weir cut across the advancing Maloney just a few yards from goal, but referee Thomson took no action. When Maloney went sprawling in the box a second time, he was booked for diving.
Motherwell manager Jim Gannon later said "Right now there is a question mark over the standard of our refereeing, and it affects the SPL table. After the last Old Firm game Hugh Dallas had to defend the referee [Craig Thomson]. But the result of that match might have been different had the ref got the big decisions correct.“At the end of the season Celtic could look back and say, ‘That result cost us the title.’ The fact is, if no one speaks up, then nothing will change.”]
Assuming the worst Celtic would have ganed a draw with 2 or 3 penalties being awarded.
1 point dropped. 2 gained by Rangers.



26 Sep 2009 Rangers v Aberdeen McCulloch elbows Aberdeen player deliberately. No card and No TV evidence case by SPL.
Referee - Iain Brines
Daily Record " Rangers midfielder Lee McCulloch, however, was fortunate not to pick up a red card from Brines for an elbow on McGuire.
Rangers would have been playing 45 mins with 10 men if Brines had done his job. lNext match for Rangers was Old Firm game. McCulloch escapes ban which could have been a 3 match ban for violent conduct.



Sep 21 2009 Celtic v Hearts McGinn chopped in box. Stonewall penalty denied with 5 mins to go.
Referee - Dougie McDonald
Daily Record "The Northern Irish international was brought down inside the box by Lee Wallace with five minutes to go of Sunday's SPL clash at Parkhead, only for referee Dougie McDonald to award a corner to the bemusement of everyone inside the stadium.
Belfast Telegraph "Five minutes from the end of normal time, the Irishman was denied what looked a clear-cut penalty by referee Dougie McDonald when he appeared to be chopped down by Jambos' left-back Lee Wallace as he burst into the Hearts penalty area. "
Celtic scored in 93rd minute and got the 3 points.



Sep 13 2009 Celtic v Dundee Utd. Celtic had a Samaras goal incorrectly chopped off for offside. Also denied stonewall penalty when Dods handled ball in last minute. Dods admitted to hand ball. Levein said suprised he never caught it.
Referee - Steve Conroy.
Scotland on Sunday - "Levein left the field quietly at the end and there was probably a reason for that. His side appeared to come out the right side of two highly contentious calls in the second half; a Georgios Samaras "goal" chalked off and a Celtic penalty claim waved away by referee Steve Conroy. The "goal" was put away by Samaras just before the hour mark and only a couple of minutes after he came on for Landry N'Guemo. Tony Mowbray, in his understated way, challenged us to look at the incident on video, the comment of a man who is convinced that Samaras' effort should have stood. Much later, a couple of minutes into injury time in fact, an Andreas Hinkel cross hit Darren Dods on the arm and many a spot-kick has been given in such circumstances. Asked about it later, Levein offered a cheeky response: "I've spoken to Darren about it and he said he was really disappointed he never held it." Dods said: "The ball hit my head and then hit my thumb." That's that, then. It should have been a penalty.
2 points dropped.



Aug 24 2009 Hearts v Rangers - Rangers heading for a draw, awarded penalty in last minute for tackle which looked soft and looked outside box.
Referee - Craig Thomson
Daily Mail - "The Tynecastle side thought the penalty was harsh, arguing that the foul by Ismael Bouzid on Steven Naismith was committed outside the penalty box, while Rangers considered Thomson unlucky to be red-carded.

2 points gained for Rangers.

Awww diddums, poor celtic, its a wee shame.

At least youve got another chapter for that paranioa book eh?

Tell us Bobby, its not your post as you said, but what are your feelings on it?
Are the establishment out to get you? Or is the standard of refereeing in Scotland simply awful?
I cant say i recall having these conversations on this board whilst Gordon Strachan was leading Celtic to 3 in a row, that might be telling eh?

1967

Blackjack wrote: »

Not a bad draw for the Cup either....

Maybe so, but i sure as hell not getting worked up about the cup with Hibs supreme record in it not won since 1902 :eek:

Blackjack

1967 wrote: »

Maybe so, but i sure as hell not getting worked up about the cup with Hibs supreme record in it not won since 1902 :eek:

well, lets ride the luck while we can....

Blackjack

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That's called racism.

that is indeed the absolute truth.

Look at the History of Hibs, why it was formed etc.....

As a person who lived in Scotland for a number of years, Sectarianism is bigger problem there than it is here (as in the Republic) and that is a fact.

odonnell

Blackjack wrote: »

that is indeed the absolute truth.

Look at the History of Hibs, why it was formed etc.....

As a person who lived in Scotland for a number of years, Sectarianism is bigger problem there than it is here (as in the Republic) and that is a fact.

Thats true mate and for some strange reason, very few of the so called celtic fans i tangled with in Dublin seemed able to accept that. I spent just under 6 years in Dublin and experienced my own share of racism and sectarianism simply because of assumptions made based on my accent, or being a Rangers fan. People wanted to fight with me in pubs for being a 'Brit' ...a hun, a protestant. Wonderful...only thing true in there is me being a Rangers fan. Guy wanted to box me in the queue at the supermarket because he heard my accent, and started on me for being a 'british pr1ck' ... Saw my Rangers wallet as i paid for my shopping and started even worse.

The sectarianism in Scotland is because of experience on a daily basis - youre either narrow minded enough to be sectarian, or youre big enough to not let it be a factor in your life. But theres experience on both sides and generally theres a reason (or excuse) behind the hatred. In Dublin, it seemed to me to be baseless, silly... for a so called celtic fan to want to box me in a pub for being a Rangers fan and yet, the guy couldnt name half of the Celtic team, you know? I lost a lot of respect for Irish based Celtic fans everytime that happened to me. I loved living there and had a great life there amongst yaes lads... but by christ, a lot of your brethren can be idiots.

In some ways living amongst the ignorance in Dublin was worse than living in and around Glasgow my entire life to that point and i think this was BECAUSE the dublin based celtic fans had no point of reference on how things actually are in the country where their team is based. I remember a lot of abuse coming my way and the people who generally stood in for me were Scottish celtic or hibs fans...first to tell the dub boy - 'sorry pal but youre talkin pish' ...

sad but true

Blackjack

odonnell wrote: »

Thats true mate and for some strange reason, very few of the so called celtic fans i tangled with in Dublin seemed able to accept that. I spent just under 6 years in Dublin and experienced my own share of racism and sectarianism simply because of assumptions made based on my accent, or being a Rangers fan. People wanted to fight with me in pubs for being a 'Brit' ...a hun, a protestant. Wonderful...only thing true in there is me being a Rangers fan. Guy wanted to box me in the queue at the supermarket because he heard my accent, and started on me for being a 'british pr1ck' ... Saw my Rangers wallet as i paid for my shopping and started even worse.

The sectarianism in Scotland is because of experience on a daily basis - youre either narrow minded enough to be sectarian, or youre big enough to not let it be a factor in your life. But theres experience on both sides and generally theres a reason (or excuse) behind the hatred. In Dublin, it seemed to me to be baseless, silly... for a so called celtic fan to want to box me in a pub for being a Rangers fan and yet, the guy couldnt name half of the Celtic team, you know? I lost a lot of respect for Irish based Celtic fans everytime that happened to me. I loved living there and had a great life there amongst yaes lads... but by christ, a lot of your brethren can be idiots.

In some ways living amongst the ignorance in Dublin was worse than living in and around Glasgow my entire life to that point and i think this was BECAUSE the dublin based celtic fans had no point of reference on how things actually are in the country where their team is based. I remember a lot of abuse coming my way and the people who generally stood in for me were Scottish celtic or hibs fans...first to tell the dub boy - 'sorry pal but youre talkin pish' ...

sad but true

First to tell you - I'm not a dub, so I'm not talkin Pish.

I've had my share of abuse from Scots people - from all levels of society by the way - who assumed that because I was Irish, I was therefore less then them.

Anyway, this thread is now quickly becoming less about football, and more about the sectarian nature of Scottish society - which is one of the reasons I left Scotland in the first place......

odonnell

Blackjack wrote: »

First to tell you - I'm not a dub, so I'm not talkin Pish.

I've had my share of abuse from Scots people - from all levels of society by the way - who assumed that because I was Irish, I was therefore less then them.

Anyway, this thread is now quickly becoming less about football, and more about the sectarian nature of Scottish society - which is one of the reasons I left Scotland in the first place......

oh i never disagreed with you mate and i didnt say you were the type i was referring to, i dont live there either and left for the same reasons, and im from there!

Anyway...back to Celtic.

General Zod

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I see Rasmussen scored 2 for the reserves today against Kilmarnock, the guy must a tad annoyed that he is 5th choice

No, that's incorrect. Mowbray has said he'll alter his heam to fit the opposition. He's here for the long term, he'll get plenty of chances ithis season (and more next when Keane and Samaras are gone).

Interyurauldone

Dempsey wrote: »

He's basically 5th choice because of the cost of Fortune and Keane, not their actual performances. I think he'd be a better partner for Keane as he stays central and decent in the air

I agree with you 100%, but it would also be very harsh on fortune to get dropped. He's starting to finish chances lately a trait we so badly missed last season after Christmas.

Would 4-4-2 with fortune as an attacking right sided midfielder be unrealistic? Essentially it would be a 4-3-3. Could use N'Guemo as a holding midfielder with McGeady and Brown ahead of him. Put teams on the back foot early doors. Something similar was used against Killie on Keane's debut but that was without Rasmussen as the centre of the attack.

Celtic have the firepower so why not utilise it to the best of our ability? Big weekend coming up, i reckon the gap will be down to 6 by 3.30pm on Sunday!!

Eirebear

Interyurauldone wrote: »

Celtic have the firepower so why not utilise it to the best of our ability? Big weekend coming up, i reckon the gap will be down to 6 by 3.30pm on Sunday!!

Well its definetly up to Rangers, because Comrade McGhee aint gonna stand in your way!

Mark McGhee set to enrage Rangers fans as he considers resting Dons stars against Celtic

Feb 12 2010 By Ian Orr

ABERDEEN boss Mark McGhee last night revealed he may rest five top players for tomorrow's SPL clash with Celtic.

He insisted their top priority is Tuesday's Scottish Cup fifth round replay against Raith Rovers as they bid to clinch a quarter-final tie with Dundee.

But Rangers fans are sure to be raging if McGhee does pull his stars out of the Pittodrie clash and his side lose.

However, Zander Diamond and Sone Aluko have just returned fromlong-term injuries while captain Mark Kerr, Charlie Mulgrew and Gary McDonald have been carrying knocks in recent weeks and may need a break.

McGhee said: "We don't necessarily have to beat Celtic on Saturday to finish fourth in the SPL and make Europe.

"But we have to beat Raith to have any hope of reaching the Cup Final. That has to be the priority .

"The replay is now a massive match for us and the chance to face Dundee in the next round is one of the main reasons for that.

"It's a big opportunity to put things right after letting our fans down badly at Dens Park in the League Cup earlier in the season .

"We have a small squad and having to play Celtic at Saturday lunchtime will be tough on them. We need our strongest squad to be fit for the Cup match on Tuesday as well so I will need to be careful who I pick.

"It might be I will make changes for Saturday to make sure the best team is clear to face Raith. It's something I have to look at very carefully.

"Raith will see it as a good chance for them to make the semis as well because we avoided Celtic and Rangers but we are desperate to get through."

McGhee had been raging at Dons fans for abusing his players as they struggled to fight back in the Cup against Raith, who are fourth bottom of the First Division, but hailed the Red Army for their backing at Easter Road on Wednesday night when his side just held on for a 2-2 draw with Hibs.

The Pittodrie boss said: "I'm not in the business of wanting to fall out with the fans but spoke out because I believe it's important they help.

"We are all in this together after all and the backing of the fans really boosts the players. If we get that then it's up to us to respond. We all work for the fans after all. It's the fans I regard as our real bosses because ultimately we have to answer to them.

"The positive way the fans responded helped us a lot in the Hibs' game.

"They did that when we were up against the wall and really hanging on for grim life.

"The lads made a point in the dressing room after the game of mentioning the backing they got but there will be a lot more days when we need help from the fans before this season is out."

I wonder if Peter "Sporting Integrity" Lawwell will have anything to say on this matter?!

bobbysands81

Eirebear wrote: »

Well its definetly up to Rangers, because Comrade McGhee aint gonna stand in your way!


I wonder if Peter "Sporting Integrity" Lawwell will have anything to say on this matter?!

Believe me mate... we need every single bit of help we can possibly muster.

Eirebear

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Believe me mate... we need every single bit of help we can possibly muster.

I dont know dude, im still confident in Rangers ability to grind out the results. I do believe however that Celtic will finish the season the stronger team simply down to the fact that when their attacking players gel, they will be very hard to keep out.

The defence on the other hand.....:D

Interyurauldone

Eirebear wrote: »

Well its definetly up to Rangers, because Comrade McGhee aint gonna stand in your way!

To be honest, if it was the other way around and McGhee was threatening to do this when Rangers were at the Pittodrie i'd be raging! But why would he advertise it so far in advance?

If he was going to rest one or two i reckon he would have said nothing about it. Just name a team on the day and defend the selection after if needs be.

I reckon they'll line up with the same team that nearly beat Hibs on Wednesday.

Eirebear

Interyurauldone wrote: »

To be honest, if it was the other way around and McGhee was threatening to do is when Rangers were at the Pittodrie i'd be raging! But why would he advertise it so far in advance?

If he was going to rest one or two i reckon he would have said nothing about it. Just name a team on the day and defend the selection after if needs be.

I reckon they'll line up with the same team that nearly beat Hibs on Wednesday.

McGhee likes the sound of his own voice, over the last couple of weeks hes fell out with the Aberdeen support, spent two days in the paper talking about how wonderful Robbie Keane is, and now this one.
The guy is slowly losing the plot up in the dark north i think.

bobbysands81

Eirebear wrote: »

I dont know dude, im still confident in Rangers ability to grind out the results. I do believe however that Celtic will finish the season the stronger team simply down to the fact that when their attacking players gel, they will be very hard to keep out.

The defence on the other hand.....:D

The combined age of our two centre halves that are likely to start against Aberdeen is TWO years younger than Davie Weir's age!!!

Eirebear

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The combined age of our two centre halves that are likely to start against Aberdeen is TWO years younger than Davie Weir's age!!!

To be fair, the combined age of the Motherwell squad on wednesday night was about the same age as Uncle Davie!

Interyurauldone

Eirebear wrote: »

McGhee likes the sound of his own voice, over the last couple of weeks hes fell out with the Aberdeen support, spent two days in the paper talking about how wonderful Robbie Keane is, and now this one.
The guy is slowly losing the plot up in the dark north i think.

Eirebear, McGhee must have heard you giving out about him!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/aberdeen/8512712.stm

In relation to Weir, to still be playing professional football in a good league as he approaches his 40th birthday is some achievement.

TwistsAndTurns

Channel67 is available free until 21 Feb if any of ye Bhoys are interested, The Huddle, Matches and Interviews.


http://www.channel67.net/channel67/default.aspx

PauloMN

Eirebear wrote: »

Well its definetly up to Rangers, because Comrade McGhee aint gonna stand in your way!


I wonder if Peter "Sporting Integrity" Lawwell will have anything to say on this matter?!

Swings and roundabouts. We have "hun refs" to contend with. They do a lot more damage than McGhee could ever do.

bmcgov86

odonnell wrote: »

Thats true mate and for some strange reason, very few of the so called celtic fans i tangled with in Dublin seemed able to accept that. I spent just under 6 years in Dublin and experienced my own share of racism and sectarianism simply because of assumptions made based on my accent, or being a Rangers fan. People wanted to fight with me in pubs for being a 'Brit' ...a hun, a protestant. Wonderful...only thing true in there is me being a Rangers fan. Guy wanted to box me in the queue at the supermarket because he heard my accent, and started on me for being a 'british pr1ck' ... Saw my Rangers wallet as i paid for my shopping and started even worse.

The sectarianism in Scotland is because of experience on a daily basis - youre either narrow minded enough to be sectarian, or youre big enough to not let it be a factor in your life. But theres experience on both sides and generally theres a reason (or excuse) behind the hatred. In Dublin, it seemed to me to be baseless, silly... for a so called celtic fan to want to box me in a pub for being a Rangers fan and yet, the guy couldnt name half of the Celtic team, you know? I lost a lot of respect for Irish based Celtic fans everytime that happened to me. I loved living there and had a great life there amongst yaes lads... but by christ, a lot of your brethren can be idiots.

In some ways living amongst the ignorance in Dublin was worse than living in and around Glasgow my entire life to that point and i think this was BECAUSE the dublin based celtic fans had no point of reference on how things actually are in the country where their team is based. I remember a lot of abuse coming my way and the people who generally stood in for me were Scottish celtic or hibs fans...first to tell the dub boy - 'sorry pal but youre talkin pish' ...

sad but true

sorry to hear, but this is the main problem i have with supporting Celtic. these idiots dont have a clue. they THINK they support Celtic. guarentee you they rarely if ever watch the team play. believe it or not im often ashamed to wear the hoops out to town shopping or wherever im going. people think 'ah look at that celtic scumbag'. its a real shame, and i do my best to spread the word as to what a great club Celtic are and that thses idiots should not be related to the club. Best example i can give is the day the orange order came to march in dublin. load of F**kING IDIOTS protest in their Celtic jerseys. I spent the following day ringing radio stations, managed to get a good bit of air time on Sppin 103.8's Spin-talk. I told them that as a shareholder i felt it my responsibilty to ring up and represent the club. i tried to explain that these idiots had nothing to do with our great club.

anyway big weekend ahead. having a good bit of banter with my brother, he needs rangers to win the league to win him a 1800euro bet!!

A Dub in Glasgo

bmcgov86 wrote: »

I spent the following day ringing radio stations, managed to get a good bit of air time on Sppin 103.8's Spin-talk. I told them that as a shareholder i felt it my responsibilty to ring up and represent the club. i tried to explain that these idiots had nothing to do with our great club.

Why would you even bother? They *may* have been shareholders as well!

bmcgov86

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Why would you even bother? They *may* have been shareholders as well!

seeing it on the news appalled me, and i suppose that was the only way to vent my anger(didnt know of boards back then!!).

and i believe that the % of people who wear Celtic jersey in Dublin that actually support Celtic must be down around one or two. If even. now its hard to quantify what i mean by 'support'. Celtic are my one and only team, none of this ''i support Man Utd/Liverpool AND Celtic, just dont get it at all. fair enough you can 'follow' them and 'cheer them on' when they're on the tele, but im my opinion that doesnt make u a 'Celtic Supporter'.

Anyway the point im trying to make is if u see a guy in Dublin with a Celtic jersey he's more than likely an idiot, an ''i love the IRA head'', all this bol*ox.

Sad, but true. And it annoys me. A lot.

Dempsey

bmcgov86 wrote: »

seeing it on the news appalled me, and i suppose that was the only way to vent my anger(didnt know of boards back then!!).

and i believe that the % of people who wear Celtic jersey in Dublin that actually support Celtic must be down around one or two. If even. now its hard to quantify what i mean by 'support'. Celtic are my one and only team, none of this ''i support Man Utd/Liverpool AND Celtic, just dont get it at all. fair enough you can 'follow' them and 'cheer them on' when they're on the tele, but im my opinion that doesnt make u a 'Celtic Supporter'.

Anyway the point im trying to make is if u see a guy in Dublin with a Celtic jersey he's more than likely an idiot, an ''i love the IRA head'', all this bol*ox.

Sad, but true. And it annoys me. A lot.

The ultimate glory hunters tbh.

PauloMN

bmcgov86 wrote: »

seeing it on the news appalled me, and i suppose that was the only way to vent my anger(didnt know of boards back then!!).

and i believe that the % of people who wear Celtic jersey in Dublin that actually support Celtic must be down around one or two. If even. now its hard to quantify what i mean by 'support'. Celtic are my one and only team, none of this ''i support Man Utd/Liverpool AND Celtic, just dont get it at all. fair enough you can 'follow' them and 'cheer them on' when they're on the tele, but im my opinion that doesnt make u a 'Celtic Supporter'.

Anyway the point im trying to make is if u see a guy in Dublin with a Celtic jersey he's more than likely an idiot, an ''i love the IRA head'', all this bol*ox.

Sad, but true. And it annoys me. A lot.

Harsh, and over the top imo. True, there's some feckin' eejits alright, but there's as many scummers in Utd and Pool jerseys as there are in Celtic ones.

I appreciate your annoyance about the general view of Celtic support here in Ireland though. You see it on these very boards, to the point where tosspots will cheer on Rangers not out of any love for them, but as some idiotic way of making a point against Celtic. Tossers like that annoy me more than young lads wearing Celtic jerseys as a fashion item tbh.

odonnell

Whats with McGhee saying hes going to be fielding an understrength side against the Celtic? Isnt there a rule against that?

Pompey Magnus

odonnell wrote: »

Whats with McGhee saying hes going to be fielding an understrength side against the Celtic? Isnt there a rule against that?

From what I read the "controversy" is that McGhee might not start three injured players and two only just back from injury.

By that rate of going Mowbary will be fielding an understrenth squad also by not starting Loovens, Hooiveld, O' Dea, Hinkel and Maloney.

Complete nonsense and wouldn't be newsworthy if it was Aberdeen v Hearts or someone similar but of course if I was a conspiracy theorist I would assume that this is just to put attention on Aberdeen to play these guys and risking making their injuries worse just to make it a bit tougher on Celtic.

Dempsey

odonnell wrote: »

Whats with McGhee saying hes going to be fielding an understrength side against the Celtic? Isnt there a rule against that?

He wants Celtic to win obviously. Celtic are full strength :rolleyes:

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/editor-s-picks-ignore/rangers-fans-chief-weak-aberdeen-are-out-of-order-1.1006006

The paranoia is unreal

A Dub in Glasgo

Absolutely unforgivable defensive display to throw away 2 points :mad::(

ziggy

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Eirebear

ooooh! Wasnt expecting this at all.

I switched over to the rugby after it went 2-4 thinking that was that.

I must say the final result helped me get over the disapointment of the rugby!

PauloMN

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Absolutely unforgivable defensive display to throw away 2 points :mad::(

Only saw the first half unfortunately, but it's what I said before - EVERY team in the SPL is having a real go knowing how frail we are at the back. After their 2nd, they looked really up for it. I checked the text later on and thought it was in the bag at 2-4, couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the final score.

Saw O'Dea was sent off at the end, did it get messy?

Just not Celtic's season I'm afraid. I've pretty much given up on the league anyway, I know it's always possible but we just can't seem to get the points when we need them.

To score 4 goals away and not get 3 points is just dreadful though. Absolutely shocking defending for their 2nd.

A Dub in Glasgo

PauloMN wrote: »

Saw O'Dea was sent off at the end, did it get messy?

No, it was a mistimed tackle - 2nd bookable offence

Pompey Magnus

Ok so I got bored and decided to do look back at the stats on the games Celtic have played in 2010:


Shots on Target - Goals

Aberdeen 6 -4
Celtic 15 - 4

Celtic 6 - 2
Hearts 0 - 0

Dunfermline 3 - 2
Celtic 11 - 4

Kilmarnock 1 - 1
Celtic 2 - 0

Hamilton 1 - 0
Celtic 6 -1

Celtic 9 - 1
Hibs 4 - 2

St Johnstone 2 - 1
Celtic 17 - 4

Morton 2 - 0
Celtic 7 - 1

Celtic 5 - 1
Falkirk 4 - 1

Celtic 9 - 1
Rangers 3 - 1


So since 2010 started Boruc has had 28 shots to save, he successfully made 16 saves and has conceded 12. Therefore Boruc has kept out 57% of shots on target.

In the same time the opposition keepers have had 87 shots to deal with, they made 68 saves and they conceded 19. Therefore the opposition keepers have kept out 78% of shots on target.

Can someone explain to me what exactly is Boruc adding to the Celtic team that Zaluska couldn't do? I know stats can't tell the whole story but at the moment the fact is that any shot that he has to deal with it is not much better than a flip of the coin whether it will go in or not.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Charco wrote: »

Ok so I got bored and decided to do look back at the stats on the games Celtic have played in 2010:


Shots on Target - Goals

Aberdeen 6 -4
Celtic 15 - 4

Celtic 6 - 2
Hearts 0 - 0

Dunfermline 3 - 2
Celtic 11 - 4

Kilmarnock 1 - 1
Celtic 2 - 0

Hamilton 1 - 0
Celtic 6 -1

Celtic 9 - 1
Hibs 4 - 2

St Johnstone 2 - 1
Celtic 17 - 4

Morton 2 - 0
Celtic 7 - 1

Celtic 5 - 1
Falkirk 4 - 1

Celtic 9 - 1
Rangers 3 - 1


So since 2010 started Boruc has had 28 shots to save, he successfully made 16 saves and has conceded 12. Therefore Boruc has kept out 57% of shots on target.

In the same time the opposition keepers have had 87 shots to deal with, they made 68 saves and they conceded 19. Therefore the opposition keepers have kept out 78% of shots on target.

Can someone explain to me what exactly is Boruc adding to the Celtic team that Zaluska couldn't do? I know stats can't tell the whole story but at the moment the fact is that any shot that he has to deal with it is not much better than a flip of the coin whether it will go in or not.

I think Boruc is a good keeper but there is something missing from his game this season don't know what it is but there is something.
You also have to take into account in these stats you have put up. Seeing whats in front of him having watched Celtic a few times now I have to say if I was a keeper it wouldn't fill me with confidence

cson

I would think that Boruc has gotten comfortable. Complacent even. A couple of years ago he was rated as one of the best in the world and had Milan and other clubs linked with him. I think the guy has just let it go to his head and his form has suffered as a consequence.

A Dub in Glasgo

You know, the goalkeeper is not always at fault for goals. It may be a simpler case of the accuracy of the shot to beat the goalkeeper whereas the Celtic strikers have been mince (and defence!).

Pompey Magnus

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You know, the goalkeeper is not always at fault for goals. It may be a simpler case of the accuracy of the shot to beat the goalkeeper whereas the Celtic strikers have been mince (and defence!).

The accuracy of the shots might explain a game or two, but continuously happening all season in Scotland against teams like Falkirk and Dunfirmline tells me something else is up. The opposition strikers just are not that good to be capable of accurately picking the areas of the goals where Boruc can't reach and it would be an incredible statistical fluke for them to be continuously lucky week in week out.

Also the defence being poor can't be the whole reason either, yes they have been awful, but it is their primary job to stop the opposition from taking shots in the first place, once the shot is made it is then down solely to the goalkeeper to stop it and the fact is that in total the opposition keepers have had much more to do yet have also done a much better job in dealing with what comes at them.

I think it may be a good idea to give Zaluska a run, if he is any kind of keeper worthy of a place at Celtic then I can't see how he could concede more than Boruc has been and I think some competition might do Boruc some good. I can't see any harm in trying it, because if Zaluska would concede more than four goals against Aberdeen then he should be sent packing. I don't think he would though.

Eirebear

You need to look at where these shots are coming from, and the positions that Celtic have lost goals from to really analyse this.

Celtic''s defence right now is, quite simply, AWFUL. Players are getting into one on one situations that most keepers dont have to deal with as often as Boruc has been recently. Shots are coming in from areas that attackers really shouldnt be getting space.

I dont think that Boruc is having as good a season as the last couple, however he certainly isnt to blame for Celtics leaky defence IMO

bobbysands81

bmcgov86 wrote: »

Anyway the point im trying to make is if u see a guy in Dublin with a Celtic jersey he's more than likely an idiot, an ''i love the IRA head'', all this bol*ox.

So you complain that when you go out in your Celtic jersey that you think people are looking at you thinking "He's a scumbag"... yet when you see others wearing Celtic jersey's you think the same?

With friends like this who needs enemies?

bmcgov86

bobbysands81 wrote: »

So you complain that when you go out in your Celtic jersey that you think people are looking at you thinking "He's a scumbag"... yet when you see others wearing Celtic jersey's you think the same? QUOTE]

yes, unfortunately that is exactly what i am saying. its sad o know, but i think its true. thats my opinion anyway.

on another note did u guys see the interim financial results released today, not great, although noting worse than i had expected. not participating in the champions league is the biggest blow u can ask for.

Joyce Country

alright lads, just got access to the old forum and this is the thread i'll be posting on most i imagine so are confident about tomorrow? dundee utd are usually tricky away but i expect to win at CP. not too confident about st.johnstone doing as any favours

by the way this match does not seem to be on any foreign channel whatsoever - http://liveonsat.com/sport_today.php?start_dd=20&start_mm=02&start_yyyy=2010&end_dd=20&end_mm=02&end_yyyy=2010

strange

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Joyce Country wrote: »

alright lads, just got access to the old forum and this is the thread i'll be posting on most i imagine so are confident about tomorrow? dundee utd are usually tricky away but i expect to win at CP. not too confident about st.johnstone doing as any favours

by the way this match does not seem to be on any foreign channel whatsoever - http://liveonsat.com/sport_today.php?start_dd=20&start_mm=02&start_yyyy=2010&end_dd=20&end_mm=02&end_yyyy=2010

strange

Be surprised if you don't get a result tomorrow as for St Johnstone they had a great result midweek so they will be well up for it. hopefully we will scrape through though and keep the pressure on the Tic to get a result

Joyce Country

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Be surprised if you don't get a result tomorrow as for St Johnstone they had a great result midweek so they will be well up for it. hopefully we will scrape through though and keep the pressure on the Tic to get a result

well we can't seem to put together any sort of run under mowbray so i wouldnt be too optimistic about putting ye under any great pressure in the run-in even ye do slip up! Nevertheless i shall tune in at 12.30 tomorrow hoping for the best

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Joyce Country wrote: »

well we can't seem to put together any sort of run under mowbray so i wouldnt be too optimistic about putting ye under any great pressure in the run-in even ye do slip up! Nevertheless i shall tune in at 12.30 tomorrow hoping for the best

As I will be watching online at 3 hoping the Arabs get a result it's what it's all about

Looking forward to some decent debate with you there are 3 or 4 Gers fans on here so we are in the minority somewhat

Joyce Country

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

As I will be watching online at 3 hoping the Arabs get a result it's what it's all about

Looking forward to some decent debate with you there are 3 or 4 Gers fans on here so we are in the minority somewhat

3 or 4 more rangers fans than my usual haunts of the huddleboard and celtic overall (well, who post without fear anyway ) - ah yeah had a quick read through there a few pages there - seems good - ye did'nt fancy starting a rangers specific thread then? :P

So, theoretically speaking - if ye were to somehow throw away the league what would that mean for ye in the transfer market in the summer do you think? (assuming ye couldnt make CL groups through qualifiers) Would ye need to offload many 1st team players? I read a lot on the celtics forums about how rangers are in dire financial straits but I'm not sure how accurate a lot of it is!

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Joyce Country wrote: »

3 or 4 more rangers fans than my usual haunts of the huddleboard and celtic overall (well, who post without fear anyway ) - ah yeah had a quick read through there a few pages there - seems good - ye did'nt fancy starting a rangers specific thread then? :P

So, theoretically speaking - if ye were to somehow throw away the league what would that mean for ye in the transfer market in the summer do you think? (assuming ye couldnt make CL groups through qualifiers) Would ye need to offload many 1st team players? I read a lot on the celtics forums about how rangers are in dire financial straits but I'm not sure how accurate a lot of it is!

No point to a specific Rangers thread wouldn't be enough of us to make it worthwhile.

There's no doubt we are in serious financial trouble and we need to win the league more importantly we need a buyer, though having visited a few Tic sites it really amuses me I mean last week we were getting the electricity cut off at Ibrox

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Our game against St Johnstone called off 45 minutes before kick off frozen pitch due to there undersoil heating not working (code for it was never switched on) really pathetic I hope they get hammered by the SPL. Even the St Johnstone fans on another forum are disgusted with there club :mad:

Pompey Magnus

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Our game against St Johnstone called off

Ah well, at least it gives Celtic the chance to narrow the gap to...nine points this evening.