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Do you respect the views of the religious?
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and there i was trying to be all subtle about it.That would be a 'no', then.
in all seriousness though, as an atheist how could you respect a theists religious views?
by embracing atheism you've already dismissed all religion as complete and utter BS so how could you possibly take the views of someone who wholeheartedly believes in them (in the literal sense) seriously? it's already been said that you can respect someone's right to hold whatever beliefs they want to, which is fair enough, but I don't see how we (as atheists) can respect the beliefs themselves when we've already dismissed them as poppycock (always wanted to use that word somewhere, seems very dawkinsy to me
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hmm, giant satanic chocolate fondue with damned souls on pitchforks dipped in it's chocolatey goodness.Well that'd be no good. The chocolate would all melt. 0 -
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and there i was trying to be all subtle about it.
in all seriousness though, as an atheist how could you respect a theists religious views?
by embracing atheism you've already dismissed all religion as complete and utter BS so how could you possibly take the views of someone who wholeheartedly believes in them (in the literal sense) seriously? it's already been said that you can respect someone's right to hold whatever beliefs they want to, which is fair enough, but I don't see how we (as atheists) can respect the beliefs themselves when we've already dismissed them as poppycock (always wanted to use that word somewhere, seems very dawkinsy to me)
hmm, giant satanic chocolate fondue with damned souls on pitchforks dipped in it's chocolatey goodness.
Well personally:
As I believe what I believe, I think you are wrong.
Yet I respect your (non) beliefs, as I think it would be a very small-minded individual that would expect everyone else to have the exact same beliefs as them.0 -
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Midlandsmissus, the human mind has a great power for hallucination. I have seen things in front of my eyes that I know weren't there. I've even reached out and tried to touch them only to see my hand go through them. I once shouted for my dad to come into my room to look at the small fighter jet that was flying into a hatch that had just opened in the wall. I felt rather silly when he came in and I realised how ridiculous it was
The human mind also models things around its own understanding. It's why we can look at a yellow circle with two dots and a curved line, and see a smiling face It is not only possible but very easy for you to look at a shapeless pattern of light on a wall and see the face of Jesus. If you were born in Turkey you'd see Allah and in ancient Greece you'd see Zeus. You only have to look back a few weeks to the Limerick tree stump to see what I mean. This modelling ability evolved because it allowed us to pick predators out in the dark but it's not perfect
Everything you perceive is just electrical impulses in your brain. They can show us odd things and the brain's modelling feature can throw up false positives. One of the most important aspects of science is that the flawed human mind is taken out of the equation as much as possible because of its tendency to see what it wants to see0 -
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Hah only recently I was sleeping in my aunt's house, and woke up during the night (humidity in Spain... ugh) and saw what looked like a monster of some description :eek: I switched on the lights and discovered that it was whatever way the clothes hanging up were arranged, so switched off the lights again. But the monster was still there ! :eek: I couldn't get that arrangement of clothes to look like anything other than a monster, and it was fairly disconcerting even though I knew what it was. Adrenaline started going, my heartrate increased, etc., all as a result of what I was percieving. Pretty surreal. I ended up having to get up, mess up the arrangement of clothes, and then I was able to go back to sleep
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Midlandsmissus, the human mind has a great power for hallucination. I have seen things in front of my eyes that I know weren't there. I've even reached out and tried to touch them only to see my hand go through them. I once shouted for my dad to come into my room to look at the small fighter jet that was flying into a hatch that had just opened in the wall. I felt rather silly when he came in and I realised how ridiculous it was
The human mind also models things around its own understanding. It's why we can look at a yellow circle with two dots and a curved line, and see a smiling face It is not only possible but very easy for you to look at a shapeless pattern of light on a wall and see the face of Jesus. If you were born in Turkey you'd see Allah and in ancient Greece you'd see Zeus. You only have to look back a few weeks to the Limerick tree stump to see what I mean. This modelling ability evolved because it allowed us to pick predators out in the dark but it's not perfect
Everything you perceive is just electrical impulses in your brain. They can show us odd things and the brain's modelling feature can throw up false positives. One of the most important aspects of science is that the flawed human mind is taken out of the equation as much as possible because of its tendency to see what it wants to see
I haven't been on here for a while, so will try to reply to everyone.
It wasn't shadows,shapeless patterns etc. It was a complete face of glowing light. Why would I perceive that out of nothing?0 -
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