Will Israel attack Iran???

FunkBlaster87

Yes, yes boo Israel.

Wasn't there talk of some of the Iranian nuclear installation being buried very deep underground? Not sure if an F16 could carry enough conventional ordanance to defeat these installations. At any rate im sure an Israeli strike would retard the Iranian nuclear programme for years, which would be the objective

I doubt the Israeli's would lose any aircraft. I really doubt how air-worthy their F-14's or Mirages are. Maybe they make a few token flights a year for a show of strength.

One thing is for sure, the Israeli's wouldn't conduct a strike unless certain of success.

fuelinjection

FunkBlaster87 wrote: »

I doubt the Israeli's would lose any aircraft. I really doubt how air-worthy their F-14's or Mirages are. Maybe they make a few token flights a year for a show of strength.

One thing is for sure, the Israeli's wouldn't conduct a strike unless certain of success.

It's never been about an American backed miltary against any country in the middle east - they will win any conventional war as they as years ahead of anything that will be fired at them. However they will lose the long term war in the minds of kids being born in the people they attack and defeat.
For me that is the real tragedy of Israel, so strong now but so weak in the future.

FunkBlaster87

Well im no supporter of Israel, quite the opposite really.

I don't think Israel really gives a damn about Arabic and wider Muslim hearts and minds as they have demonstrated throughout their history. But hey, thats why they have nuclear weapons. No state would really try anything, in my opinion.

Mad ftw

wobzilla

FunkBlaster87 wrote: »

I don't think Israel really gives a damn about Arabic and wider Muslim hearts and minds

The word Arabic refers to a language not a people. I think you mean Arab

Son Of A Vidic

Israel might eventually attack Iran, when they sense a viable nuclear weapon is close to completion. Of course there is no demand for U.N. inspections of Israel's Nuclear sites/arsenal. Despite the American loan guarantees and their U.S. military technology, they will pay a severe price for such intervention against Iran. Hezbollah taught them a series lesson in the 2006 war, well equipped and well organised they severely embarrassed the Israeli army. Iran might not posses the sophisticated military technology that the Israeli army is equipped with but they would be fearless in battle. As the Iraqi's learned during the Iran-Iraqi War, superiority in hardware counts for nothing against a fearless and determined enemy. Many Iraqi armor units were decimated by wave after wave of RPG and Molotov cocktails attacks. Throw in the lethality of Iranian IED'S and any conventional ground action becomes highly unlikely.

Manic Moran

medicman2009 wrote: »

Iran might not posses the sophisticated military technology that the Israeli army is equipped with but they would be fearless in battle.

Grass-skirted African Warriors were also fearless in battle. That only got them so far against gatling guns and cartridge rifles. It's not as if the Israelis ever broke and ran in Lebanon at any point that I can recall. But generally speaking, all we're talking about here are a few fighter pilots and missile operators, not rows of infantry charging to the attack. Maybe some elite infantry raids, hardly the sort of people who get bowed by someone who shoots back on occasion.

As the Iraqi's learned during the Iran-Iraqi War, superiority in hardware counts for nothing against a fearless and determined enemy.

I don't seem to recall much materiel advantage to the Iraqis in the Iran/Iraq war.

Many Iraqi armor units were decimated by wave after wave of RPG and Molotov cocktails attacks.

The Israeli Air Force and Armoured Corps were both rather thoroughly bloodied in the first couple of days of 1973 by wave after wave of missiles. The result, two and a half weeks later, seems to have not cared much for this fact.

Throw in the lethality of Iranian IED'S and any conventional ground action becomes highly unlikely.

I think a conventional ground action between Israel and Iran is unlikely because there are a couple of countries in the way. Plus, there is no need for it to begin with, so it's all quite academic.

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Son Of A Vidic

I think I need to clarify here, if Israel attack Iran anyone who thinks it won’t become a conflagration is at best naive. America is no longer a superpower, it can’t get out of Iraq quick enough and Afghanistan is another disaster. America’s enemies have seen this, American military might has lost its aura. Iran has clearly seen it’s suffering and can willfully defy it. SO with this in mind any Israeli attack on Iran would be met with a strong Iranian response. The U.S. had to virtually bribe militias in Iraq to stay out of the combat. The Shia Militias with close Iranian ties have used copper tipped shaped directional charge IED's. These are very impossible to defend against and are particularly lethal.

During the Iran Iraq war, the battle of Korramshahr illustrates my point I was making in my earlier post. The Iraq’s took the city after a month of intense fighting, during which time they suffered 15,000 causalities and lost 100 tanks. These loses were incurred against small, loosely formed units of Iranians using RPG's and Molotov cocktails. Jordan is not a geographical barrier to any planned Israeli intent against Iran. Then of course Iraq with its U.S. presence, is virtually a forward operating base for any action against Iran. So we end up with no geographical boundary for any planned Israeli/American action.

Israel was humiliated in southern Lebanon in the 2006 war, Hezbollah demonstrated its lethal effect. The Israeli Merkava main battle tank became a virtual coffin. Compared this to the Israeli incursion into Gaza where Hamas got it’s ass kicked. Hezbollah is certainly no Hamas, as the Israeli Army and the Former SLA can testify to. So take Iran, add some fierce national fervour, sprinkle in some religious extremism. Mix some simple weaponry like RPG’s and Shaped charges and take a leaf out of the Hezbollah’s, Taliban’s and Iraqi militias book. You end up with something you really don’t want to mess with. Grass skirted African warriors they certainly wouldn’t be.

FunnyStuff

Your assuming here that Israel has not learned lessons from its battle with Hezbollah in 2006, the lessons learned were shown with its incursion into Gaza in 2008. Any Israeli ground assault on Iran would simply be fought on Israeli terms, as per its military doctrine of fighting on the offensive. But it still is a mute point as it will not happen. Any Israeli attack on Iran will simply constitute precision strikes as Manic keeps stressing. And constant reference to Hezbollah or Hamas with their IED's and shaped charges are totally out of the way, do you really think that in a modern warfare environment where they do not have to pick their house by house to try single out the bad guys, that the IDF will not have plans to deal with these teams to HK's. It was the same in 73, hit very hard by Saggers and SAM-6 batteries, they got to grips with them after taking an initial bloody nose. The Israeli military is quiet adept at adapting to complicated stituations. Yes they had to cope with unexpected situations in Lebanon, no-one is denying that, but that kind of situation has proven to be a very sore point for every military power put in that predicament. Unless you are willing to carpet bomb and slaughter every civilian in the area, it is practically a no win situation.

Manic Moran

Of course, there are always other, less direct methods of interfering with the Iranian nuclear process.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything (Iran does have its own internal problems), but it does point out a possible other route.

[url]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6972265/Iranian-nuclear-scientist-killed-by-bomb.html[/url]

Massoud Ali-Mohammadi, a leading Iranian nuclear scientist, has been killed in a bomb blast in Tehran.

Dr Ali-Mohammadi was a professor at Tehran University, teaching courses in nuclear energy and writing on quantum physics.
It was not immediately clear whether he was attached in any way to the country's controversial nuclear programme, which has brought it into conflict with the West.

A scientist attached to the programme, Shahram Amiri, a physicist for the Iranian Atomic Energy Organisation, went missing while performing a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia last year. The Iranian authorities say he was kidnapped by the Saudi authorities and handed over to the Americans, though this is denied by Riyadh.

Tuesday's attack in Tehran could have been the work of a number of terrorist organisations which have been active in Iran, though if there is a political motive Tehran is also likely to blame agents of the West, particularly the United States and Britain, the "Great and Little Satans".
On the other hand, Dr Ali-Mohammadi was an Iranian representative to a Middle East wide nuclear co-operation programme run under the auspices of the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency.
The IAEA is the forum through which UN Security Council members are putting their demands to Iran to hand over the enriched uranium at the centre of the nuclear row.

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Son Of A Vidic

I don't think you can use the Israeli ground incursion into Gaza, as an example of lessons learned from the 2006 war with Hezbollah. Hamas are a relatively incompetent organisation, their strength is gained from the social support they provide throughout the community. Not through any military competency. The ground incursion into Gaza was a 'turkey shoot', any properly trained military sniper could have had a field day with IDF targets.

I think any attack on Iran could trigger a Hezbollah response in Southern Lebanon. I think there is too much reference to 1973 here, Hezbollah did not use SAM's in the 2006 war, rather the Russian made Kornet anti-tank missile. A truly fierce weapon system, with an Armour penetration capability between 1000mm to 1200mm or 39 to 48 inches. All the precision air strikes and heavy artillery softening up counted for nothing when ground troops had to go in. Many Israeli army accounts described Hezbollah as like ghosts, emerging from behind forward units, hitting hard and disappearing. I've no doubt Iran would have learned from this 2006 war also.

Western style Military thinking hasn't the stomach for casualties, recent war zones have clearly demonstrated this. During the first gulf war, the amazing footage of laser guided bombs in action hinted at the possibility of clean, quick, surgical combat. This sadly has not been the case, enemies have learned and adapted. I will acknowledge that I'm am looking at at a worst case scenario situation, that will most likely never happen. The assassination of the Iranian Physicist yesterday might have been a Mossad operation, who knows. If so, as awful as it sounds, it might be a wiser route to take, as opposed to direct confrontation

FunnyStuff

With reference to the SAM's, the point i was gettin at was Israel's ability to adapt to a potentially lethal situation. Israel had developed a sense of invincibility after its success in '67, believing that any Arab attack on it would be easily repulsed and crushed. Thus they were unprepared for the ferocity and skill of the attack which commenced on October 6th. This is also the case i feel with the war in 06, they were'nt prepared for the level of intensity which Hezbollah offered, and yes i agree suffered because of it. But to be honest i dont think they would make the same mistake again.

Also fighting guerilla warfare is not something western militaries are designed for, probably no military is designed for it. Its always going to incur heavy casualties and tough choices. But as for the question on Iran, Israel would have no intention of invading Iran and getting engaged in the kind of attritional battles it would involve.

I agree yesterdays death of the Iranian professor could be a route the Israeli's have opted for. Granted there is no proof of involvement, but the fingerprint of Mossad could well be there.

Selah_Nova

Why would someone start such a serious debate and then not post even a single comment into it???
So my question is this, Do Purveyors of 'Forum Porn' have an agenda?

Manic Moran

medicman2009 wrote: »

I don't think you can use the Israeli ground incursion into Gaza, as an example of lessons learned from the 2006 war with Hezbollah. Hamas are a relatively incompetent organisation, their strength is gained from the social support they provide throughout the community. Not through any military competency. The ground incursion into Gaza was a 'turkey shoot', any properly trained military sniper could have had a field day with IDF targets.

I think any attack on Iran could trigger a Hezbollah response in Southern Lebanon. I think there is too much reference to 1973 here, Hezbollah did not use SAM's in the 2006 war, rather the Russian made Kornet anti-tank missile. A truly fierce weapon system, with an Armour penetration capability between 1000mm to 1200mm or 39 to 48 inches. All the precision air strikes and heavy artillery softening up counted for nothing when ground troops had to go in. Many Israeli army accounts described Hezbollah as like ghosts, emerging from behind forward units, hitting hard and disappearing. I've no doubt Iran would have learned from this 2006 war also.

The single biggest problem with the Israeli incursion into Lebanon wasn't Hezbullah's greatness, per se. It was the fact that Israel went in not expecting anything like a semi-competent, moderately well equipped conventional defence. They expected another insurgency-like event, just as they've been dealing with in Palestine for the previous few years. They simply didn't come expecting a proper fight, and it took them a couple of days to adjust. (You'll note that most of the Israeli casualties occurred near the beginning of the incursion). Once they realised the problem, they did start adjusting. I don't think they would go to Iran with the same 'walkover' mindset.

Incidently, Kornet is going to be a bit less of a problem now for the Israelis, now they've started fitting their vehicles with active protection systems such as Iron Fist and Trophy.

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Selah_Nova

Two things here are fairly annoying here. One is the fact that I cannot get any post into this bar a couple of sentences before my Dial up cuts and will have to write this in many sections

Selah_Nova

And the second is all the armchair generals thinking they are able to predict the beginning of the final peice warfare on planet earh as if they were musing over old battle maps of El Alamain or normandy

Selah_Nova

How many nuclear missiles could Isreal lauch in a 20 minute period? cos if it will be anything thats all it will be, and if the Russians or Chinese feel fit to give the Iranians a bit of satalite aided warning How would they respond?

Selah_Nova

With almost everything they have at every oil and natural gass installation/rig in sourthern Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE. A slightly negative day on the markets that one.

Selah_Nova

Also hundreds of Shia squads around the globe erupting with whatever the1990's russian black market ould deliver and people are talking about anti-tank rockets and infantry? I have seen and met men who ran at Iraqi armoured coloums with Kalashnikovs and the ones who wernt wandering around the cities, still in fatigues gibbering and mumbling as any lost soul who has seen hell would, they wernt too intrested in discussing the various tactics of Any countries military and I doubt they are typing like us, into some forum swapping info about Isreali intentions.

Selah_Nova

My point is pointless, cos if it goes, we're all going along for the ride and its a one way ticket. And would Isreal be even bother to construct a well crafted media, think-tank finger pointing exersize before doing something like that anyway? Well, a Manhatten block is seemingly nothing to some people just as I doubt a small mid western US city is to others. Live our days as best we can and hope and pray this doesnt happen. apologies for the multi posts. Peace

Manic Moran

Suggestion:

Next time, type out your email in a notepad document. Select all, copy.

Come to the board, open up the reply window, hit 'paste' (Ctrl-V). Then submit. Very quick.

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Riddle101

I've come to this thread very late, but my opinion. I think Isreal would attack Iran if they felt they had to or felt threatened. At the moment, i'm sure Isreal are more the ready for such a scenario, but I think they want to play it cool for now because the last thing they want is to be attacking Iran. Firstly because if they attacked Iran, you can be sure all of Isreal's enemies would rise up against Isreal and try to destory it, I don't think Isreal want to risk that right now. Secondly because Isreal wouldn't have the full backing of the UN or the USA. In the past George Bush would have pretty much backed any Isreali attack if it was against an enemy of Bush, I.E Iran. But with Obama in charge, Isreal can't take the risk. So I think Isreal is waiting for Iran to make the first move so that it looks like it's defending itself. Finally Isreal are proberly just using this time to plan and get ready.

Son Of A Vidic

The Trophy and Iron Fist Armour protection systems, seemed to have performed very well in Military testing. But as history has shown repeatedly, real life combat over a measurable period of time will really determine the effectiveness of any military system.
Do you guys by the way suspect what I suspect? Mossad will take 'care' of key Iranian personnel in time and the CIA will 'promote' the Iranian opposition movement. I would have a lot more faith in Mossad doing the job right, than I'd have in the CIA.

Selah_Nova

Thanks, but Ive a couple of questions:
Do you belive that the presence of even a small Irish contingent in Kabul put the lives of Irish citzens (especially ones on holiday) in danger?
2. What exactly is the need of Irish personal there?
3. Could you get me one of those mosque clocks, the one that has the call to prayer as the alarm?
Thanks, and stay safe and be nice.

Manic Moran

I think you've got the wrong thread.

1) No. What's an "Ireland"?
2) They need a place to sleep, a place to eat. What more does any soldier need other than the equipment issued at home station?
3) Believe it or not, I've not seen any. They're supposedly all over this country, but I guess this province has somehow been excluded.

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Selah_Nova

Perhaps if you and your collegues ventured outside the capital and sent less e.mails, especially ones that deflect relevent questions with a bit of guff, then maybe the Afgans would be a bit better off.
I suppose a heraldic banner with what appear to be 3 yellow star of davids doesnt play a part (even subconsciencely) in your opinion process.
Peace (and Plenty of it)

Manic Moran

Well, if you've not noticed my location, I'm not in the Capital. It's actually about a three-and-a-half hour drive from here, and I only ever made it to the outskirts once.

I'm not entirely sure how relevant the questions are to a thread about Israel attacking Iran.

And I don't believe there is any connection between my family's coat of arms and the Star of David, though I must admit to never having researched the matter particularly thoroughly. I strongly doubt, however, that it affects my reasoning processes.

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Buffy the bitch

Riddle101 wrote: »

I've come to this thread very late, but my opinion. I think Isreal would attack Iran if they felt they had to or felt threatened. At the moment, i'm sure Isreal are more the ready for such a scenario, but I think they want to play it cool for now because the last thing they want is to be attacking Iran. Firstly because if they attacked Iran, you can be sure all of Isreal's enemies would rise up against Isreal and try to destory it, I don't think Isreal want to risk that right now. Secondly because Isreal wouldn't have the full backing of the UN or the USA. In the past George Bush would have pretty much backed any Isreali attack if it was against an enemy of Bush, I.E Iran. But with Obama in charge, Isreal can't take the risk. So I think Isreal is waiting for Iran to make the first move so that it looks like it's defending itself. Finally Isreal are proberly just using this time to plan and get ready.

Getting ready in what way?

They have already bought bombs like the GBU-28 (bunker busters) off the Americans so what exactly would they be planning?

Look up a few videos on a guy called Robert Baer. He's ex CIA there's a few good videos on youtube.

Manic Moran

Getting ready in what way?

They have already bought bombs like the GBU-28 (bunker busters) off the Americans so what exactly would they be planning?

How to use them?

Owning toys is all well and good. Looks wonderful on the balance of power charts, and particularly appealing for military parades.

But really, that's the easy bit. Learning how to employ them effectively, and planning operations involving them takes a little bit of preparation.

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Buffy the bitch

Manic Moran wrote: »

How to use them?

Owning toys is all well and good. Looks wonderful on the balance of power charts, and particularly appealing for military parades.

But really, that's the easy bit. Learning how to employ them effectively, and planning operations involving them takes a little bit of preparation.

NTM

It wouldn't be that hard really would it? After all you're saying Israel is supreme to them so they have nothing to fear. I was reading they think two GBU-28 bombs would be enough to get at the underground sites by dropping one then after dropping anotehr right on top, I'm not so sure though. Although the total number needed is 25 of the 5,000 pound bombs and 25 of the 2,000 pound bombs.

Which way do you think Israel would more than likely go or better still would the countries they're flying over attack them? There's really only three ways it could happen if Israel wanted to use airstrikes. Use Iraq, fly over Turkey along with Syria or over Jordan and Saudia Arabia.

Personally I couldn't see them using the Turkey route or even Saudia Arabia if they let that happen it would be bye bye oil this recession would be nothing compared to what will happen same could be said about Iraq because then that would be seen as America given it's backing so the 150,000 troops would be at risk.

Can't see it happening though. No way....

Manic Moran

It wouldn't be that hard really would it? After all you're saying Israel is supreme to them so they have nothing to fear.

They're not superior just because of their toys, though. It's not as if they can just wake up one morning and decide to cruise right over Iran at 30,000 feet and bomb the target whilst swatting Iranains out of the sky left right and centre simply because they're in F-15Is. They're superior because they both have the toys, and take the time to develop the best use for them.

By way of example: I've a license to fly light aircraft. Cessna Skylark, Piper Arrow, that sort of thing. If I won the Super-Lotto and became the owner of a brand, spanking new F-16I, could I fly it? I'm pretty sure I could, at least once I figured out how to turn the thing on. Could I shoot down someone tootling around in a Cessna at 6,000 feet with the thing? Probably, it's just switchology. Would I know how best to minimize my radar cross-section at a certain aspect angle to an airborne pulse-doppler radar against various sorts of background clutter to include mountains or cities? Ah... No. Would I know what the apparent maintenance schedules are of Iranian warning sites and plan my route using both these pieces of information? Absolutely not. It's not just a case of what toy you have.

Special Forces, for another example, aren't the best because they're the best trained and best equipped as much as because they don't do anything without planning the crap out of whatever they do first.

Which way do you think Israel would more than likely go or better still would the countries they're flying over attack them? There's really only three ways it could happen if Israel wanted to use airstrikes. Use Iraq, fly over Turkey along with Syria or over Jordan and Saudia Arabia

None of the above. Go around the landmass, down the Red Sea, around Yemen/S.A., up the Persian Gulf. The long way around, but it's not as if the Israelis don't have some real-world practice at that. (Look how far away Tunisia is)

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ejmaztec

I think that, considering the bad press re the Iraqi situation, public opinion, and the fact that no-one wants to be seen to emulate the George W approach to peace, Iran must be riddled with covert operations being carried out by various western intelligence agencies, with a view to changing things from within.

The fact that people have taken to the streets in Iran is a good sign, and shows that we're not the only ones wanting a more reasonable regime there.

I don't think that Israel would get any moral support were they to launch an attack on Iran, and they couldn't be certain that their objectives would be achieved. They'd make themselves even more enemies if that's at all possible. Any action by them would set the region back decades, and we'd be paying €20 for a litre of fuel.

Selah_Nova

Didnt the Isrealis, when they destroyed Saddams single nuclear reactor copy the flight path of a cargo 747 and flew so tight that they mimiced its radar signiture aswell, not sure if it was a Guinness Peat Aviation registored aircraft.
The clashes in Iran are mostly confined to the classes, the Clerical using the Working to keep the Middle where they can control it, the western media seems to be all over every peice of mobile phone footage that comes out of there.

irishdub14

If Israel attacked Iran, they'd be in big trouble because Obama would not back them.... and they couldn't hold back the Arabs without the Americans......

Manic Moran

They've done it before. And that was before they decided to reduce their dependence on foreigners.

NTM

Exon

Israel needs to be nuked!

Bandit12

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

Whilst Isreal and everything it stands for disgusts me nuking them would be a step too far. Imo.

Manic Moran

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

Thank you for that insightful and supported statement.

Do you wish to expand upon this a bit, or shall I simply ban you right off the bat?
(Those thinking I'm overreacting a bit may also wish to look at Exon's other post today, http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=64082022&postcount=2)

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FunnyStuff

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

Such an intelligent contribution.

dlofnep

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

No it doesn't. I'm a huge critic of Israel, but to say that it needs to be nuked is asinine. They could do with a good kick up the hole - but mass civilian murder? No thanks.

Riddle101

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

In no way, shape or form should Weapons of Mass Destruction be even considered or used. Supporting the use of nuclear wepons is supporting Genocide, which is barbaric and inhumane.

irishdub14

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

Iran needs to be nuked....!!

Manic Moran

OK, OK, enough already with the nuking.

NTM

Buffy the bitch

Exon wrote: »

Israel needs to be nuked!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Selah_Nova

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meditraitor

Selah_Nova wrote: »

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I understand you have problems with your dialup so I will post it for you

What ever happened to free speech?
Why should somebody not be allowed to say they want a certain country ‘nuked’ ?

Its not as if they were questioning the incineration capacity of concentration camp furnaces between 1943 and 1945, or the choosing of the state religion in the Khazar empire around the 8th centuryAD, or if the people known as Ashkenazim are ‘more’ jewish than say a Sephardim, an Abyssinian or a Middle Eastern Jewish person, or even why the provincial flags of Ireland, 5 if the unionist Ulster one is included, why 2 of those 5 flags have ancient Isrealite symbols on them, The Star of David and the Royal Harp of David.
Anyway
The event of the capture of Jerusalem during the six day war of 1967 and its subliminal effect on the collective psyche of the christianised western world (along with the near total pro Isreali reporting and discussions of that time) should Never be underestimated, then or now.

I have no time for nukers, nazis or nutjobs, I don’t enjoy their words or share their views but free speech is what it says and it either exists or it does not.

I dont agree with your argument but Im offline for the next hour, answer later

Manic Moran

Why should somebody not be allowed to say they want a certain country ‘nuked’ ?

It's my job as a moderator to help facilitate enjoyable discussion. Such statements, especially when unsupported, contribute very little in that direction and merely set people off. Thus, I do not approve of them.

And when I disapprove of something on this forum (as opposed to disagree with), people should listen.

NTM

joesoap007

imported_guy wrote: »

they wont attack iran for this reason, IDF pretty much got butt raped in 2006 by hezbollah, and lets face it hezbollah are twice as strong now, and lets not forget, mir houssain mossavi (the guy who lost iranian elections) is one of the founders of hezbollah.

it would have been possible in the bush era, but i just think obama is more interested in chilling out than cracking heads

technically speaking if israel were to attack iran would have support of

-sirya
-libya
-north korea
-china
-russia
-maybe pakistan
-maybe KSA/UAE (doubtful)

and this will just be asking for trouble because right now countries like north korea/russia (and to a lesser extent china) are blatantly looking for trouble and wouldnt mind throwing a few upper cuts in


its actully far more likely that iran will do premptive strikes on israel, they do have the capability and full support of north korea (probably all they need) besides

number of troops

IRAN 1,295,000 (545,000 active)

vs

ISRAEL 629,150 (176,500 active)

iran's total army is more than twice the size

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

israel's going to be out numbered nearly 5 to 1 (active troops) LOL, and iran actully has a proper army, they are pretty well equiped (ok maybe not the same level as israel but not far behind either), so they arent your average gung-ho lets go taliban, their revolutionary guards are some of the best trained troops in the world

iran are playing the game their talking fully with the un International Atomic Energy Agency ,cant see them attacking anyone.if they get the 5 batteries of the S-300PMU missiles or Chinesemade HQ9 surface to air missile under the name FD2000 recently put on the export market Israel will pay in blood with downed jets and dead pilots.but id say they will still get the job done sad to say.

iran has god on her said when fighting their troops are well drilled.most isaeli troops dont believe in their cause so iran could win a war.but israel likes to hit when know one is looking .like they did in the 6 day war.so iran watch out for the snake in the grass.

FunnyStuff

joesoap007 wrote: »

but israel likes to hit when know one is looking .like they did in the 6 day war.so iran watch out for the snake in the grass.

I honestly dont know how you can say that. The six day war was a pre-emptive strike yes, but in the full knowledge that the Arab states were preparing a strike on Israel. They just completely underestimated Israel's awareness of it, and their ability to strike with a ferocity that few nations have been able to muster.

As for the AAA batteries, Iran held exercises just before christmas as a show of force intended to hopefully put off any Israeli strike on them. They announced complete success afterwards and told the world that any attempt to enter Iranian airspace undetected would be impossible and any intruders would be crushed. However western analysts studying the exercises say that it revealed fatal flaws and superior electronic countermeasures and tactics would allow Israeli jets to enter and destroy their target. And as far as i'm aware, the exercises at the time included the S-300 system. ( I'm not 100 percent sure on this point as i have been unable to track the link i found it from, all i remember is i read it on Jane's Defense)

joesoap007

FunnyStuff wrote: »

I honestly dont know how you can say that. The six day war was a pre-emptive strike yes, but in the full knowledge that the Arab states were preparing a strike on Israel. They just completely underestimated Israel's awareness of it, and their ability to strike with a ferocity that few nations have been able to muster.

As for the AAA batteries, Iran held exercises just before christmas as a show of force intended to hopefully put off any Israeli strike on them. They announced complete success afterwards and told the world that any attempt to enter Iranian airspace undetected would be impossible and any intruders would be crushed. However western analysts studying the exercises say that it revealed fatal flaws and superior electronic countermeasures and tactics would allow Israeli jets to enter and destroy their target. And as far as i'm aware, the exercises at the time included the S-300 system. ( I'm not 100 percent sure on this point as i have been unable to track the link i found it from, all i remember is i read it on Jane's Defense)

ture the S-300 might not be all its cracked up to be but the us and israel are very worryed about them having them ,iran a saying now their going build their own s 300 wonder were they sold blueprints ?

6 day war licked em good allright,but the arabs’told israel to fully restoration of the rights of the Palestinian people. and massed their army on their borders and made it clear stop or else.saying things like We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood ,,,,As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence,,so israel had the choice to do the right thing make peace and stop been bullys.but no attacked with out warning and had aother land grab, arab and jew have lived in peace and done so for 1000s of years in loads of M.E countrys. people will tell you oo arab and jews have been fighting for ever 1000s of years its bullsh1te,,Zionists started all this killing.Zionists think their above everyone even normal jews.just like the nazis did,they think their born to do gods work and fcuk everyone else,just like the nazis did,...their scum ture snakes in the grass

FISMA

It is only a matter of time now. Israel will make a move. Israel will not wait much longer for the world to figure it out. They'll do what has to be done and what they have similarly done in the past.

What is interesting is timing. A move by Israel would be devastating to Obama's democrats. A move prior to US elections would be a GOP landslide.

I cannot see Israel waiting much more than a year. They have to stay ahead of the game, the intel, and ensure that what Iran claims is not too far behind what they have and their capabilities.