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Is nordic Europe the model Ireland should follow?
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You are making the same cretinous mistakes as the English and Americans have for decades - you think you can take the lazy option and leave everything to the market, privatise all state industries (preferably selling them off to companies in which TDs have plenty of shares)
Oh Yixian you don`t know just how close you are !!!!
Except you wont find many TD`s with large shareholdings in well placed firms...sure are`nt they Public Servants and can`t be doing that kinda stuff.....
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Now if their wives however,using the Irish version of their maiden names were to invest a cúpla h-euro in an oul firm owned by a second cousin making...for example, Traffic Signal equipment then that`s OK.....Ever wonder why most Irish major roundabouts come to sprout virtual forests of stainless steel and aluminium poles...
There really ain`t no need to be arguing the toss over the Nordic model,let alone the miniscule chance that we would have anything to do with such egalatarian principles...Nope...we`ll do it ourselves,alone and show them Brits a thing or two in the process !!!
Higher taxes....get outa dah garden.......Bring back Prof.Martin O Donoghue I say....long live 1979 !!!!
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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it isnt possible to benefit all society , thats a pipe dream , people have to look after themselves , they cant expect the state to protect them in every way
It's not a pipe dream, that's the point, that's the whole point of this thread: if it's so hard to think up a new model to benefit as much of society as possible, just take cues from countries that have managed it: Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc. Build on it in a novel way, adapt it to fit Ireland, sure..
But I'm wondering exactly how you think adopting the attitude of the British Tory Party in the 80's, leading the country down into depression and mediocrity, is going to suddenly work in Ireland?
"People have to look out for themselves" <- that right there is the cancer ridden heart of the world's problems, the less people that have that attitude, the better life will be for all of us.
The UN list of countries by Human Development Index (quality of life):
Look where the US, UK and Italy fall on that list. If you remove the "Tiger" nations from that list that are now economically in ruins, including Ireland, the top 15 consists almost entirely of Nordic model countries, and if you look at those that aren't, like the United States, you find that these countries have some of the highest rates of poverty in the western world - in other words, life is great for some and terrible for others.
So much for filtering down!
Quality of life to vague for you? How about health care:
Let's see so... Denmark no.1... the financially prudent Germans no. 5... the "half measure socialist" French no. 8... But where's the UK?
Oh wait it's 19th.
Next, education. Denmark? No. 1. Finland? Joint first! France no. 12. US number 19.. again, where is Britain? Oops! Scroll down, there it is bringing up the rear at 28th.
Irelands boom is over, that's a fact, and if it doesn't start learning from Scandinavia, and even France, rather than apeing Britain and America it's going to plummet down those charts - and that actually means something, unlike mere GDP, it means my family in the South are going to be living in a country that has failed them as much as my family in North, they're going to lose out on all the benefits Nordic countries achieved for their population simply because the will wasn't there to improve things. It means more crime more drugs more unemployment, less happy children, less happy workers..
Give me one good reason why anybody in the world should agree with you irish_bob, you just keep saying that your model works best but nothing, not history not real economic predictions, nothing suggests that it will do anything but fail like it always has done. The anglo-american model is like microsoft windows, it crashes on you all the time but for some ridiculous reason people still buy it.
You're entitled to your opinion but when supporting the anglo-american model, please, don't pretend it works, just admit it's because you're happy with golf courses and BMWs for the rich and two fingers for the poor.0 -
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It's not a pipe dream, that's the point, that's the whole point of this thread: if it's so hard to think up a new model to benefit as much of society as possible, just take cues from countries that have managed it: Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc. Build on it in a novel way, adapt it to fit Ireland, sure..
But I'm wondering exactly how you think adopting the attitude of the British Tory Party in the 80's, leading the country down into depression and mediocrity, is going to suddenly work in Ireland?
"People have to look out for themselves" <- that right there is the cancer ridden heart of the world's problems, the less people that have that attitude, the better life will be for all of us.
The UN list of countries by Human Development Index (quality of life):
Look where the US, UK and Italy fall on that list. If you remove the "Tiger" nations from that list that are now economically in ruins, including Ireland, the top 15 consists almost entirely of Nordic model countries, and if you look at those that aren't, like the United States, you find that these countries have some of the highest rates of poverty in the western world - in other words, life is great for some and terrible for others.
So much for filtering down!
Quality of life to vague for you? How about health care:
Let's see so... Denmark no.1... the financially prudent Germans no. 5... the "half measure socialist" French no. 8... But where's the UK?
Oh wait it's 19th.
Next, education. Denmark? No. 1. Finland? Joint first! France no. 12. US number 19.. again, where is Britain? Oops! Scroll down, there it is bringing up the rear at 28th.
Irelands boom is over, that's a fact, and if it doesn't start learning from Scandinavia, and even France, rather than apeing Britain and America it's going to plummet down those charts - and that actually means something, unlike mere GDP, it means my family in the South are going to be living in a country that has failed them as much as my family in North, they're going to lose out on all the benefits Nordic countries achieved for their population simply because the will wasn't there to improve things. It means more crime more drugs more unemployment, less happy children, less happy workers..
Give me one good reason why anybody in the world should agree with you irish_bob, you just keep saying that your model works best but nothing, not history not real economic predictions, nothing suggests that it will do anything but fail like it always has done. The anglo-american model is like microsoft windows, it crashes on you all the time but for some ridiculous reason people still buy it.
You're entitled to your opinion but when supporting the anglo-american model, please, don't pretend it works, just admit it's because you're happy with golf courses and BMWs for the rich and two fingers for the poor.
the so called poor do extremley well in this country , we have an extrordinarily generous wellfare state , one where the dole has rissen much faster than inflation in the past decade ( article in the papers last week about a man in county clare with eight kids who has been on wellfare this past few years , he had a salary of 34 k before deciding he was better off on the dole ) the reason that a large number of people believe our wellfare state isnt generous is down to the fact that they have been conditioned into thinking so by our overwhelmingly left wing media
thier is a lot of info and statistics in your post , one area which drew my attention was where you show that finland is in the top three of countries with the highest level of education , now as a lover of all things scandanavian , im sure you are well aware that finland is an expensive country but did you know that teachers in finland are paid only 55% of what teachers in ireland are paid , the reality is that all the money spent by the state in this country went on wages to public servants , be it nurses and doctor wages instead of beds or teacher wages instead of chalk
besides we still live in a democrocy and so far the irish people have chosen not to make labour ( whoom i presume you support ) the biggest party , if us irish are not left wing enough for you , perhaps you should just give up on us , our loss if we are too dumb to listen to your enlightened world view0 -
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