McCabe Killers released

El Siglo

Anyone see this.

Two men who were convicted of the manslaughter of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe have been released from Castlerea Prison.

Detective McCabe was killed during an armed raid on a post office van in Adare, Co Limerick, in 1996.

Kevin Walsh from Limerick and Pearse McCauley from Strabane, Co Tyrone, had been given 14-year sentences for the manslaughter of the Limerick detective.

AdvertisementThey have completed ten-and-a half years of their sentences, having previously served a year on remand.

The two walked out of the Co Roscommon prison shortly after 7am this morning where they were met by Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris. They were then driven away in a van without making any comment.

Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams issued a statement following the men's release.

He said the two men had some years ago expressed their 'deep regret and apologised' for the hurt and grief caused to the families of Garda McCabe and Garda Ben O'Sullivan, who was injured in the raid.

Mr Adams said that he believed the apology was genuine and 'it echoes the sentiments of republicans everywhere'.

He added that he 'deeply regrets the great loss and hurt suffered by the McCabe and O'Sullivan families'.

'The release of Kevin Walsh and Pearse McCauley comes at the end of their sentences, despite them being qualifying IRA prisoners under the Good Friday Agreement', he said.

I'm hardly the only one here that thinks this is disgraceful, that these basterds are released and that worse still they were met by Martin Ferris.

stovelid

Very silly of Ferris (or any other elected representative) to meet them, but I expected no better.

I think they should have served a much longer sentence, and opposed any talk of their release under the GFA, but I guess they've done the time given to them now....

/shrugs.

prinz

Well it shows Ferris and Sinn Fein for what they truly are. For that I am eternally grateful. Cnuts.

humanji

I can't remember the details of the case, but why were they eligable for release under the GFA when they robbed a post office?

General Zod

humanji wrote: »

I can't remember the details of the case, but why were they eligable for release under the GFA when they robbed a post office?

They weren't released under the terms of the GFA.

prinz

humanji wrote: »

I can't remember the details of the case, but why were they released under the GFA when they robbed a post office?

Important to note they didn't even rob anything IIRC, they riddled the two gardai and left. Well you know how it is, murdering one and attempting to murder another officer in Limerick undoutedly brought a socialist united Ireland sooooo much closer.

mike kelly

They have served their sentence and are now entitled to be released

El Siglo

stovelid wrote: »

Very silly of Ferris (or any other elected representative) to meet them, but I expected no better.

I think they should have served a much longer sentence, and opposed any talk of their release under the GFA, but I guess they've done the time given to them now....

/shrugs.

Yeh but wasn't that not an issue before (i.e. after the GFA), in that these scumbags were not operating under the IRA at the time of the robbery and that it was a private job, i.e. "It later admitted that individual members were involved - the IRA said "in contravention of its orders"". It's a f*cked up situation either way.

Aidric

It doesn't make nice reading but they've done their time. The most sickening aspect of that article was that Martin Ferris met them on their release.

mikedragon32

Convicted criminals released after serving their sentence shocker!

Irish Halo

humanji wrote: »

I can't remember the details of the case, but why were they eligable for release under the GFA when they robbed a post office?

General Zod wrote: »

They weren't released under the terms of the GFA.

Weren't released but were eligible:

'The release of Kevin Walsh and Pearse McCauley comes at the end of their sentences, despite them being qualifying IRA prisoners under the Good Friday Agreement', he said.

Don't understand why though

El Siglo

Isn't a pity we had to get rid of this.

mike65

You can be damned sure that if an election were coming the Shinners would have been nowhere near those two in public. That an elected representative was at the gate to greet the murderer (I shall use no other word) of Jerry McCabe at all tells us how far SF still have to go.

thomond2006

Why the **** would anyone vote Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail?

davyjose

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why the **** would anyone vote Sinn Fein?

Why the **** would anyone vote Fianna Fail?

ben bedlam

Those murderers are complete filth, and Sinn Fein are complete filth for supporting such low-life rotten scum.

engrish?

thomond2006 wrote: »

Why the **** would anyone vote Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail?

Because Mary Lou is a ride :pac:

thomond2006

engrish? wrote: »

Because Mary Lou is a ride :pac:

Sounds like the name of a donkey.

Oh wait......

homerjay2005

theres 2 ways of looking at this -

1 - they are murderes, this was a tragic event and they should live in prison for the rest of their lives. B*stards. and sinn fein are b*astards too.

2 - (northern) ireland has moved on in the last 15 years. the GFA has helped this and its a tragic event that should never have happened. but also, almost 4,000 others were killed in ireland in the past and all their families will tell you that this event was no more tragic than their loss. these people who murdered them probably all still walk the streets or have been released also. Martin Ferris is a good politician who knows what he is doing.


the reality, is somewhere in between. i think these lads would have been released anyway, they were perhaps exempt from the early release claus in the agreement.

DamoDLK

El Siglo wrote: »

Isn't a pity we had to get rid of this.

Capital murder - Punishment should have been death - the ultimate deterrent.

rcs

They pretty much had the run of Castlerea prison while they were there anyway... so being released shouldn't come as too big a shock to the system...

Bring back capital punishment for scum like this

bernardo mac

I hope Walsh and McCauley do not have the gall to to appear on the media to reinvent their image and inflict more pain on the family of Gerry McCabe.The public should ensure their sentence continues outside Castlerea's walls by rejecting them as lowlife criminals and enemies of the state.

Dartz

DamoDLK wrote: »

Capital murder - Punishment should have been death - the ultimate deterrent.

It's unconstitutional to even discuss bringing back the Death Penalty, let alone holding a referendum over it.

I wonder what moron had that idea. Probably the same sort of idiots who insist there will never be car accidents if everyone followed the speed limits exactly, or that each and every Nuclear Power station is a Chernobyl waiting to happen....

Vigilante justice tiem nao plz?

Rev. Kitchen

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Convicted criminals released after serving their sentence shocker!

Poster completely missis the point of the thread shocker !!

mike65

bernardo mac wrote: »

I hope Walsh and McCauley do not have the gall to to appear on the media to reinvent their image and inflict more pain on the family of Gerry McCabe.

This is what will happen I fear. I'd hoped they'd be given two Ryanair tickets told to get the fupp out but I suspect a programme of whitewashing will begin, dried blood is hard to shift so it might take a while but SF will persist and sadly elements in the media (who want a "story") will aid this. No doubt they'll be painted by SF machine as victims of a conflict now largely settled and they now have to pick up the pieces and rebuild thier shattered lives yadda yadda yadda.

Fracture

Im lookin at it like this, Martin Ferris is an idiot for having anything to do with them, its simply stupid on his and sinn feins part.
The 2 men served their time (well most of it).
None of us were there when jerry mcCabe was killed, so none of us know what happened or what was going through the mens mind to make them shoot 2 garda, im not sticking up for them but i dont think anyone has the right to be calling them scumbags etc, after all they served their time and regret what they did.
You are talking about capital punishment? I dont think you would like capital punishment if you were gonna be hanged/shot/gased etc, especially if you were wrongly accussed of a crime you didnt commit.

Alun

DamoDLK wrote: »

Capital murder - Punishment should have been death - the ultimate deterrent.

Yeah, because that's been proven to work so well in the states in the US that have it doesn't it? Virtually no violent crimes or murder there, oh no :rolleyes:

DamoDLK

Dartz wrote: »

It's unconstitutional to even discuss bringing back the Death Penalty, let alone holding a referendum over it.

Art 15 5.2º tre bien rodney!

davyjose

DamoDLK wrote: »

Art 15 5.2º tre bien rodney!

Que?

Manic Moran

Alun wrote: »

Yeah, because that's been proven to work so well in the states in the US that have it doesn't it? Virtually no violent crimes or murder there, oh no :rolleyes:

The re-offence rate is very, very low.

Don't understand why though

Probably along the lines of they could be eligible for release from any sentences relating to PIRA membership or activities relating to Northern Ireland. Just they had a common criminal conviction as well.

What's with the 'manslaughter' business in the OP's article though?

NTM

WillieCocker

engrish? wrote: »

Because Mary Lou is a ride :pac:

I'd say she's had her fair share allright.:pac:

kodute

Conclusive proof Martin Ferris is a low life and anyone who votes for him or his ilk is a scumbag.

DoireNod

kodute wrote: »

Conclusive proof Martin Ferris is a low life and anyone who votes for him or his ilk is a scumbag.

Hardly 'conclusive proof'.

Manic Moran wrote: »

What's with the 'manslaughter' business in the OP's article though?

They were convicted of manslaughter?

prinz

Fracture wrote: »

None of us were there when jerry mcCabe was killed, so none of us know what happened or what was going through the mens mind to make them shoot 2 garda, im not sticking up for them but i dont think anyone has the right to be calling them scumbags etc, after all they served their time and regret what they did.

People know exactly what happened that day I reserve my right to call any convicted murderer a scumbag, regardless of what time they've served.

prinz

DoireNod wrote: »

Hardly 'conclusive proof'.

Looks conclusive to me. Picture of him there welcoming his pals out.

DoireNod

prinz wrote: »

People know exactly what happened that day I reserve my right to call any convicted murderer a scumbag, regardless of what time they've served.

They were convicted of manslaughter and not murder.

prinz wrote: »

Looks conclusive to me. Picture of him there welcoming his pals out.

How is that 'conclusive proof' that he's a low-life?

kodute

DoireNod wrote: »

Hardly 'conclusive proof'.


They were convicted of manslaughter?

Pictures of him welcoming convicted murderers back into society. Theres the proof that he is a low life.
On the bit where everyone who votes for him being a scumbag...well thats not as conclusive, you'll have to take my word on it!

davyjose

kodute wrote: »

Conclusive proof Martin Ferris is a low life and anyone who votes for him or his ilk is a scumbag.

That's BS man. People can vote for whoever they want. I'm not best pleased with the people who put Fianna Fail, but tarring them all as Scumbags would be ridiculous.

El Siglo

DoireNod wrote: »

They were convicted of manslaughter?

Yes because it's incredibly difficult to prove the intent of the action, hence manslaughter is always settled upon (i.e. the burden of proof is upon the state to prove beyod a resonable doubt that these 'men' sought to kill Garda McCabe, eg if they found something that implicated them in this way then it would be a different situation, but because you can prove what way these robbers were thinking at the time it's manslaughter). Either way, it's pretty black and white, they robbed a post office and shot and killed a garda, anyone else convicted of this and they would be still in prison, but because the basterds are part of a 'political movement' they get out.

My name is URL

The lenient sentence they were handed is bad enough but for Ferris to meet them outside the prison is a slap in the face for both McCabe's family and anyone that thought that SF had fianlly began to distance itself from these scumbags.

DoireNod

El Siglo wrote: »

Yes because it's incredibly difficult to prove the intent of the action, hence manslaughter is always settled upon (i.e. the burden of proof is upon the state to prove beyod a resonable doubt that these 'men' sought to kill Garda McCabe).

Surely the state wouldn't just 'settle upon' manslaughter as a conviction, in such a serious situation.

Either way, it's pretty black and white, they robbed a post office and shot and killed a garda, anyone else convicted of this and they would be still in prison, but because the basterds are part of a 'political movement' they get out.

They served 10 and a half years, I believe. Whether you agree with that or not, it's the time that the courts deemed was worthy punishment. If you have a problem with the judicial system, perhaps you should raise this issue.

kodute

davyjose wrote: »

That's BS man. People can vote for whoever they want. I'm not best pleased with the people who put Fianna Fail, but tarring them all as Scumbags would be ridiculous.

My opinion man, just like people who vote FF are sheep and generally incapable of independent thought.

Also I didn't say EVERYONE who votes for SINN FEIN is a scumbag... some people accidentally put a number in the wrong box...

mike65

For those wondering how 14 bullets from an A47 equalls manslaughter, the provos got to a couple of witnesses who suddenly discovered they couldn't remember anything (One witness served 18 months for contempt of court rather than speak). So the DPP had to go with the lesser but easier to prove charge.

Pearce McAuley was already on the run when involved in the robbery having escaped from Brixton Prison in 1991. I suppose he could yet be extradited.

toiletduck

And Ferris's daughter was wondering why SF were doing so poorly in the South recently... They really have a long way to go.

Stercus Accidit

Kill a garda and get 10 years, then be greeted by a politician on your way out?

What a pathetic little sh1t of a nation we are, no wonder we're a playground for scum.

CountingCrows

Strange there isn't the same outcry in the south over things like this;

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0727/mcanespiea.html

prinz

DoireNod wrote: »

They were convicted of manslaughter and not murder.
How is that 'conclusive proof' that he's a low-life?

I don't care what they were convicted of under the law. The fact is they murdered Jerry McCabe. Anyone who associates themselves these scumbags is a low-life. The fact that he's a TD, and they killed a member of the legitimate police force of this state makes it even worse. In any other country he would be forced to give up his seat.

stovelid

El Siglo wrote: »

Yeh but wasn't that not an issue before (i.e. after the GFA), in that these scumbags were not operating under the IRA at the time of the robbery and that it was a private job

Convenient that so many of the more toxic (publicity-wise) operations were 'unauthorized'.

If it was a private job, why did SF campaign against their exclusion from the GFA prisoner releases, or meet them outside the clink?

r3nu4l

El Siglo wrote: »

...these scumbags were not operating under the IRA at the time of the robbery and that it was a private job, i.e. "It later admitted that individual members were involved - the IRA said "in contravention of its orders"". It's a f*cked up situation either way.

Yeah, I'd say that too if some of my people fncked up a job so badly that I was going to look even more untrustworthy than before! I'd disown them quickly and burn all the paperwork implicating me!

'Er, We didn't tell dem to do de robbury, don't blame us, dey did it demselves, it wasn't sankshunned dey contraveend de ordurs, dur!' :rolleyes:

As for them being released...well, they did their time as any other killer does and now it's time for them to be released. Now whether that prison sentence was long enough or not is another story!

stovelid

CountingCrows wrote: »

Strange there isn't the same outcry in the south over things like this;

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0727/mcanespiea.html

I see it's atrocity poker time.

I'll raise you a chucky counter-hand in a minute.

toiletduck

CountingCrows wrote: »

Strange there isn't the same outcry in the south over things like this;

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0727/mcanespiea.html

Great, it's "whataboutery" time!