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Martin Ferris in the Irish Times

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    #62
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    I'll choose to assume that that's an ironic, tongue-in-cheek post ?


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    #63
    c montgomery
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    barryfield wrote: »
    of course seen you are from that great British town of limerick you will be confused , its in your genes , you are probably the descendant of some tan squadie .


    ??????????
    Are you an idiot?
    From the little number of posts you have i presume this is a second username that you use for leaving offensive comments that will probably get you a ban.
    Hopefully its the last we'll hear from you.


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    #64
    barryfield
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    c montgomery wrote: »
    ??????????
    Are you an idiot?
    From the little number of posts you have i presume this is a second username that you use for leaving offensive comments that will probably get you a ban.
    Hopefully its the last we'll hear from you.

    you are a brit lover too , the tans were busy


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    #65
    Ddad
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    I too love the brits, do you not like them even a tiny bit. They give us the premiership after all, I'm sure you love that.:rolleyes:


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    #66
    Ddad
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    barryfield wrote: »
    you are a brit lover too , the tans were busy

    no, he is a troll or a troglodyte, one of the two.


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    #67
    oscarBravo
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    Put the handbags away, please.


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    #68
    Liam Byrne
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    c montgomery wrote: »
    ??????????
    Are you an idiot?
    From the little number of posts you have i presume this is a second username that you use for leaving offensive comments that will probably get you a ban.
    Hopefully its the last we'll hear from you.

    Forget it, c montgomery.......it happens all the time when some pathetic idiot can no longer discuss the point.

    "Brit lover" etc......

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AG6FAkwBI3w/SQkIZdNVUOI/AAAAAAAAAMk/SxvKZw38buw/s320/britt_ekland.jpg

    ABSO-FECKING-LUTELY (given a chance) ! :D


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    #69
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Will be interesting to see if Ferris comes out and makes a statement on it. He must have known that papers would have picked up on it. I think Sinn Fein is still dragging its heels on some issues particularly with one or two well documented cases up north and until it fully connects with the democratic process and cuts tie with its past, i can't see Republic voters casting votes for them in general election.


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    #70
    barryfield
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Accurate clarification or misrepresentation?

    Because if "they were entitled to early release" [again, HIS opinion, for the record I completely disagree and reckon they should have been hung for capital murder of a Garda] but "they served their full time", then it's OBVIOUSLY his opinion that "they should have been released earlier".

    and the garda who shot john carthy in abbeylara should also be hung ? , those guys were just defending themselves from some of the trigger happys of the heavy squad of special branch , and they should been released at same time as rest of IRA prisoners , anyway they are free now


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    #71
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    barryfield wrote: »
    and the garda who shot john carthy in abbeylara should also be hung ? , those guys were just defending themselves from some of the trigger happys of the heavy squad of special branch , and they should been released at same time as rest of IRA prisoners , anyway they are free now
    Two different examples. The abbeylara seige was very regrettable but McCabe was intercepting a Bank Robbery when he was shot down in cold blood. And its why govt repeatedly refused to give them an early release.


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    #72
    barryfield
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    Two different examples. The abbeylara seige was very regrettable but McCabe was intercepting a Bank Robbery when he was shot down in cold blood. And its why govt repeatedly refused to give them an early release.
    when the gardai murder someone its regrettable , when they get murdered its cold blood , neither action was necessary or correct , its that type of blindfolded attitude that has created the type of country we have now


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    #73
    c montgomery
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    barryfield wrote: »
    when the gardai murder someone its regrettable , when they get murdered its cold blood , neither action was necessary or correct , its that type of blindfolded attitude that has created the type of country we have now


    Your off topic big time!

    The fact is ferris, an elected TD of this country met and greeted 2 convicted killers who shot a barrage of bullets into a garda car killing one of them on the day of their release.
    We elect people to represent us and we have garda to protect us. The TD's work with the garda to protect and serve us.
    Ferris welcomes convicted killers of garda back into the community and refuses to condeme the killing of a grada.
    Ferris is a disgrace. It pains me to think that some of my tax money goes to pay him wages. What a fu**in scumbag!!!!


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    #74
    Joey the lips
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    4th thread on the subject...its very tiring and more so the some contributors saying the same thing

    I said it 3 times and now will say it a forth martin ferris is a republician. He has republician ideology he is a socialist(Yes I know he has a medical card, says a lot about his means) He was right to meet these people and unless there is something spectacular like say "Martin ferris resigns from Sinn Fein" I dont ever see a political discussion in this.


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    #75
    WillieCocker
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    4th thread on the subject...its very tiring and more so the some contributors saying the same thing

    .

    And as with all shinners, you won't fail to get involved in a tiring discussion you could NEVER win. :P


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    #76
    oscarBravo
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    barryfield wrote: »
    those guys were just defending themselves from some of the trigger happys of the heavy squad of special branch...
    This is blatant trolling, and won't be accepted - consider this your only warning.


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    #77
    oscarBravo
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    He was right to meet these people...
    From his point of view, absolutely. The political discussion arises from the fact that he has yet again reinforced the perception among a substantial percentage of the population that Sinn Féin have a very, very long way to go before they start to resemble anything remotely like a mainstream political party.


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    #78
    Joey the lips
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    From his point of view, absolutely. The political discussion arises from the fact that he has yet again reinforced the perception among a substantial percentage of the population that Sinn Féin have a very, very long way to go before they start to resemble anything remotely like a mainstream political party.


    not at all. its my experience working where i do that sinn fein gets its support from the local work it does not the national work. Sinn fein does not have a long way to go it just has a long road to convince all those who are disenfranchised with the voteing in ireland in general to get back in a represent there community.

    As for perception! I love perception! for example its percieved that the PD's and fianna fail are one in the same. This is poor perception because I always felt fianna fail had a slight bit of local concern when it came to privatisation where as the PD's would privatise there mothers if it made them more efficent!

    So you see unless you question perceptions thats all they are.


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    #79
    WillieCocker
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    it just has a long road to convince all those who are disenfranchised with the voteing in ireland .

    Is this an official statement.?:D

    What utter tripe.


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    #80
    Joey the lips
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    WillieCocker wrote: »
    Is this an official statement.?:D

    What utter tripe.

    Willie my dear man fancy that your on this thread as well. the whole thread is utter tripe. In fact i am an open minded person tend to make my mind up based on results and information gathered,Never believe the papers or the mcbreatys in donegal would be in jail. Will actually accept if i am wrong.

    But tell me willie whats new here! whats interesting! has anything changed! Nothing! No new information. The only sad thing is Gerry forgot to loan Martin his Armani suit for the photos

    Come on folks surly someone is looking in trying to be convinced. what new information would you give your 12 year old if they came in and said they wanted to be like martin ferris. Then again I forget who i am asking!


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    #81
    Liam Byrne
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    what new information would you give your 12 year old if they came in and said they wanted to be like martin ferris.

    Where the front door was, and to lock it on his way out.


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    #82
    WillieCocker
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    Willie my dear man fancy that your on this thread as well.
    I know , who'd of thought it? :pac:


    But tell me willie whats new here! whats interesting! has anything changed! Nothing! No new information. The only sad thing is Gerry forgot to loan Martin his Armani suit for the photos
    Aye, but that would only be for special occasions no doubt? :D
    Come on folks surly someone is looking in trying to be convinced. what new information would you give your 12 year old if they came in and said they wanted to be like martin ferris. Then again I forget who i am asking!
    I'd tell them to wait outside the joy for some scumbag to get out early.;)


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    #83
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    The question is are those released now committed to the Peace Process. What people down south need convincing is that Sinn Fein is moving nearer to becoming a fully fledged democratic party. Which means they need to be unequivocal when condemning acts of violence. It may take another few years before that happens but events like this certainly dont help.


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    #84
    Joey the lips
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    The question is are those released now committed to the Peace Process. What people down south need convincing is that Sinn Fein is moving nearer to becoming a fully fledged democratic party. Which means they need to be unequivocal when condemning acts of violence. It may take another few years before that happens but events like this certainly dont help.

    agreed in many people eyes it does not help but i would have imagined it a far worse thing to alienate republicians who would have expected this.

    Would you not agree that the true measure of this is did he have republician support in his actions and more importantly would other republicians have done it any different.


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    #85
    Erin Go Brath
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    squonk wrote: »
    Anyone catch the picture on the front of the Irish Times website today of Martin Ferris meeting the men convicted of killing Gerry McCabe on their way out of prison? Surely this is not the sort of situation most people would like to see a public representative in?

    Martin Ferris was a convicted former gun runner ffs. I think the people who voted for him know hes not Dana or Cliff Richard. ;)


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    #86
    smokingman
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    Would you not agree that the true measure of this is did he have republician support in his actions and more importantly would other republicians have done it any different.

    The murder of Mr. McCabe was officially not "sanctioned" by the ira yes?
    So why then did ferris meet them?

    If shin fein really want to reach out to true Irish people, shouldn't they help bring the other two that ran off to justice seeing as they're bound to know where they are in the world....


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    #87
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Erin Go Brath wrote: »
    Martin Ferris was a convicted former gun runner ffs. I think the people who voted for him know hes not Dana or Cliff Richard. ;)
    Yes I think Shinners will say that this happened when there was a war going on and as such, the three cannot be abandoned. But in terms of choreography it was very badly staged. To my mind though, this party needs to state here and now that they have put their past behind them and that they are now prepared to become part of the process. In saying this I think there is still a lot of stuff unresolved up north but they are seperate issues. I think that is core problem here. Sinn Fein were heralded for their part in Peace process but down here they are not seen as an all Ireland party.


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    #88
    WillieCocker
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    smokingman wrote: »

    If shin fein really want to reach out to true Irish people, shouldn't they help bring the other two that ran off to justice seeing as they're bound to know where they are in the world....

    You'd think so, but then they would lose the supporters they currently have.


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    oscarBravo
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    WillieCocker wrote: »
    You'd think so, but then they would lose the supporters they currently have.
    That's a stark choice for them: alienate the core support, or alienate the mainstream electorate. So far, it seems the core supporters are more important to them - which is fair enough, but it's why they'll stay a fringe party for a long time.


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    That's a stark choice for them: alienate the core support, or alienate the mainstream electorate. So far, it seems the core supporters are more important to them - which is fair enough, but it's why they'll stay a fringe party for a long time.
    What is their core support down here. Not that many I think. They are caught between the core vote up north and maybe a small vote down south.
    I think most people down here rightly felt the McCabe killing was an ttack on a member of our police force meant to defend us.
    And that is what Sinn Fein seem to have missed here. It was insensitive I think but I think we can move on.
    But IMO it sets them back down here.


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    #91
    Joey the lips
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    smokingman wrote: »
    The murder of Mr. McCabe was officially not "sanctioned" by the ira yes?
    So why then did ferris meet them?

    If shin fein really want to reach out to true Irish people, shouldn't they help bring the other two that ran off to justice seeing as they're bound to know where they are in the world....

    Is that another daft question or just a general comment! We are not 2 year olds folks clearly ferris met him because he supports them. I am still lost here. Something new would be nice! Big brother has more apeal than this!
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    That's a stark choice for them: alienate the core support, or alienate the mainstream electorate. So far, it seems the core supporters are more important to them - which is fair enough, but it's why they'll stay a fringe party for a long time.

    Not true oscar. Sinn feins policy of winning the electorate is not to please the many but please the few slowly and then get the many. Its obvious. I have spent a long time working with the youth service folks. I guarantee you there is kids growing up today that will remember the work and who done it. They lost out in the last locals and as discussed in detail it was down to area turnout rather than image.

    Martin ferris will not be judged the way you imagine. The sad thing is there is no one like him in my area.


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