Dissident Republicans target Cavan chav gang

sassa

celt262 wrote: »

Do you know if there is any truth to the Cavan Post article about some of them being from Limerick and Dublin?

no they're all lovely cavan lads makes a town proud:rolleyes:
Can anyone really condemn the people that contacted the 32csm when 3 weeks ago the local paper published a statement from a judge saying that he would not be so easy with giving bail and then the following week the same judge gave bail one of the gang (who was already on bail on other charges) and his charges were in connection with beating and glassing 3 people?? same gang member was arrested last week for breach of bail and was walking around the town today without a care in the world! nothing like a bit of irish justice:rolleyes:

Adamisconfused

http://32csmfermanagh.blogspot.com/

"Over the last number of weeks the 32 County Sovereignty Movement visited the homes and talked to the parents of some of these individuals who were identified to us as having been members of this criminal gang TCRG.

The 32csm sat down and talked to the parents of these individuals to explain that their children were seen in the presense of known criminals from Limerick and Dublin that had recently moved to the town....

Within the last number of days a number of parents of those involved with the TCRG have come forward with there sons and daughters stating that they are no longer involved with this TCRG gang and that they will be advising others to leave the gang too."


Seems to be the end of the trouble. If true, then a handful of words have managed to secure some peace for the locals and rehabilitated a few criminals before things got too serious.

Salvelinus

The only downside is yuo have a dissident republican organisation possibly thinking they are owed something.

JONJO THE MISER

Great news, where are these tough boys now with all there talk, looks like there mammys told them off and gave them a spank:D bunch of Idiots really. Looks like there bebo profile is gone as well, they lost face big time and the whole of Ireland is laughing at these mommys boys.

Hagar

Salvelinus wrote: »

The only downside is yuo have a dissident republican organisation possibly thinking they are owed something.

It would appear that they got the job done at zero cost to the tax-payer.
Can the same be said of an Gárda Síochana?

livingtargets

At least none of the muppets were killed or maimed.

I`m still no big fan of the dissidents,but fair play to them for not resorting to the "TAKE THEIR LEGS!"method some people like to advocate.

Foxhound38

Seems that they did a decent job of it (surprisingly). Although the press statement mentioned that "the 32csm were there to help the parents and to engage with the youth of the area not to be getting involved with these criminals".

What kind of engagement may that have been I wonder? Call me cynical when it comes to the RIRA, but is there even a chance that these idiots might have been recruited?

Jumpy

livingtargets wrote: »

At least none of the muppets were killed or maimed.

I`m still no big fan of the dissidents,but fair play to them for not resorting to the "TAKE THEIR LEGS!"method some people like to advocate.

I assume that would have been the next step if the talks had not worked.

mike kelly

hopefully this republican group will now take on anti-social behaviour in other parts of the country.

the guards are hopeless so someone else needs to do the job

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ok so....

Dissidens talked to parents, parents spoke to kids, kids stopped just like that??


What you need here is dissidents to talk to every parent-of-a-scumbag in the country. Problem solved.

Question though: where would scumbag sensationalist thread-starters (as in those who start a threads about scumbags) go for their fix?

TheZohanS

mike kelly wrote: »

the guards are hopeless so someone else needs to do the job

No, the Gardai have to work within the law, there's a huge difference.

mike kelly

TheZohan wrote: »

No, the Gardai have to work within the law, there's a huge difference.

gardai are supposed to serve teh people...if they can't do that then it's time to get rid of them.


time to bring back the republican courts, they were fair and effective

TheZohanS

mike kelly wrote: »

gardai are supposed to serve teh people...if they can't do that then it's time to get rid of them.


time to bring back the republican courts, they were fair and effective

Gardai : "If we catch you breaking the law we will arrest you and you will be brought before the courts"

Scumbag: "ha ha, I'm only 16 I'll get off"



Republicans: "If we hear that you have been up to anything we will beat the living sh!t out of you"

Scumbag: <sh!ts himself>




Do you see how that works?


The majority of the Gardai would only love to be able to use a certain amount of force but if they did they would lose their jobs and face jail themselves.

If any Garda raised his hand to a scumbag you would have all the left wingers complaining about abuse of powers etc., rights yadda yadda yadda.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

genericguy

Jumpy wrote: »

I assume that would have been the next step if the talks had not worked.

and if they do they do, i'm not a supporter of dissidents by any means, but if two or three scumbag fooks end up dead, the rest will definitely stop.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mike kelly wrote: »

gardai are supposed to serve teh people...if they can't do that then it's time to get rid of them.


time to bring back the republican courts, they were fair and effective

I think you need to look up the word "fair" in a dictionary.

sassa

Tcrg back with a bang in the town! 14 yr old beat up by them the other night, homeless man attacked by them! fcuking scum!!

Adamisconfused

sassa wrote: »

Tcrg back with a bang in the town! 14 yr old beat up by them the other night, homeless man attacked by them! fcuking scum!!

Are you sure it is this so called gang and not just the typical filth that operate in every town? Surely, not all the local thugs are in the TCRG.

If it is them then I'll be reading more Cavan papers in the hope that I don't miss any less subtle republican persuasion.

RiverWilde

I don't agree with vigilante behaviour but in the case of these thugs the mere idea of some bloke taking a shotgun to their knees may make them wake up and smell the coffee.

Riv

flanum

Quincy Petite Transistor wrote: »

It's a piss-take.

im afraid not...go into the pics etc... see this... http://www.bebo.com/PhotoAlbumBig.jsp?MemberId=5359949849&PhotoId=6525829162&PhotoAlbumId=6525782295

the guy on the right is he ring-leader... hes the guy with the limpy leg, a settled taveller, the guy that carries a knife all the time... the rest of the young pups are eejits....

sassa

In a way I nearly wish it was some other crowd to be honest but its the same bunch of fcukwits!

flanum

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/aug/23/dissident-republicans-chase-gang-members-out-of-ca/
September 6, 2009VOL 26 NO 36 HomeNewsSportArtsBusinessPropertyMagazineArchiveHome News | International | Letters | Editorial & Opinion CommentPrintE-mail
Dissident republicans chase gang members out of Cavan
Suzanne Breen, Northern Editor

TCRG graffiti in CavanDissident republicans say that six members of a leading Cavan gang involved in drug-dealing, vicious assaults and thefts have fled the country "in fear of their lives".




A prominent member of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement claimed republicans had broken up the gang "who were making life a nightmare" for local people.




He claimed that, while no violence was used, around 25 republicans wearing black shirts emblazoned with 'Fermanagh/Cavan 32 County Sovereignty Movement' had patrolled the streets.




They distributed leaflets warning that they "would not stand idly by while this community is attacked by anti-social elements led by sinister, criminal figures".




The spokesman said the gang had been attempting to arm itself by stealing shot-guns.




"It was a dangerous situation rapidly spiralling out of control," he said.




The gang known as TCRG – The Cavan Rebellion Group – was led by three Limerick criminals put out of that city eight months ago by the Dundon-McCarthy gang. These Limerick men, along with a Dublin criminal and two Cavan men, have now left the country, the spokesman said.




"There was no military action involved and no threats made. It was a community initiative. When they saw us on the streets, they knew they were no longer welcome. They have left Ireland. They got on planes in fear of their lives."




The spokesman said "anti-social activity" still existed in Cavan and the sovereignty movement intended to "step up patrols" in the town. "We'll be making our presence felt. We'll be on the streets to ensure that hoods aren't let run riot. We're also planning patrols in other Irish towns, on both sides of the border. If there is trouble, we'll sort it out."




TCRG boasted of its violence on social networking site Bebo, which included the names and photographs of alleged gang members. The gang, of around 30 members in their teens and early 20s, was led by men in their 30s.




The spokesman claimed local people approached Sinn Féin to stop the gang's activities. "Sinn Féin told them to go to the guards and the guards did virtually nothing. We became involved because people, at their wits' end, came to us for help."

August 23, 2009Comments
#1 Louise commented, on August 24, 2009 at 8:48 a.m.:
I grew up in Cavan in the 70,s and was devastated to see the ravages that the drug culture has bought to my home town on a recent visit . Living in London I see the effects of drugs on a daily basis and would hate to see Cavan go the same way. Though not normaly a supporter of any violence from any side(having lived through the troubles) I can not help but feel relieved that someone has made a stand. The Garda are restricted by law and have to have firm evidence etc before they can act but as is usually the case its often the "streets" that have the full information. In the face of this kind of community wrecking anti-social behaviour perhaps its right that the ordinary people make a stand



#2 Tom commented, on August 26, 2009 at 5:36 p.m.:
Cavan is no different to anywhere else in the country, gangs hanging around intimidating, threatening and eventually assaulting people, damaging their propery and basicly ruining peoples quality of life. People have lost faith in the Gardai to deal with these gangs. Glad to hear somebody had the guts to get together and stand up to these scumbags. Good riddance.



#3 Martin commented, on August 29, 2009 at 2:04 p.m.:
I've been living in the States for almost 2 decades and have watched the downward spiral in Ireland with the introduction of drugs and gangs. The Gardai can not do anything, useless at best, so I'm glad to see someone stepping in to make things right. Fair play to them. It's about time.



#4 slisini commented, on August 30, 2009 at 9:20 a.m.:
drive them out,more, more, more.



#5 MC commented, on August 30, 2009 at 9:57 a.m.:
Ahh..vigilantes. What can possibly go wrong? Every time these guys appear it always ends the same way. Some innocent person gets killed. Who do these people answer to? Who trains them? What rules do they operate by? If someone breaks into your car do you want them a) jailed for three months or b) beaten into a coma



#6 Rog commented, on August 30, 2009 at 2:20 p.m.:
Do you people seriously believe that the 'republicans' in question are not themselves involved in "drug-dealing, vicious assaults and thefts"????

They're simply one bunch of thugs running a rival bunch of thugs out of town. To see it as anything else is incredibly naive.



#7 O'Mocha commented, on August 30, 2009 at 5:38 p.m.:
Communities around the world are infected by drugs. Pre-teen and teens are most vulnerable given developmental hurdle to become their own person, own voice, own behavior. The struggle to emerge as an adult requires competent adult protection and supervision to a point. Substance using adults set the stage for youth to use. Have you decided on substance free values in the family and community? Let courage to act and not fear to retreat be the driving force to claim the natural right to learn and create in support of the self and community.



#8 Jack J commented, on August 30, 2009 at 8:59 p.m.:
I live in cavan town and not once have I seen lads walking round in black shirts emblazoned with 'Fermanagh/Cavan 32 County Sovereignty Movement'. And the tcrg group had no such members from Limerick the bebo sites would prove that!!



#9 Steo commented, on August 30, 2009 at 11:18 p.m.:
Have to agree with Jack J, they all look about 14 years of age and think 2PAC was from Dublin. This has to be a hoax.

sassa

there's really only so long the guards and the judges can expect this to go on for before there will be serious vigilante attacks on these lads. and when(cos really its only a matter of time) they should issue an apology to the people of cavan at their lack of action! i have seen these fcukers verbally abuse the guards and the guards just walk on by! when they do go to court they get bail, their bail conditions state they cannot hang around together cut to gimplegs being arrested during a raid on a house for breach of bail goes to court says sorry to the judge explains he did not understand the conditions the judge gives him yet another chance 2 hours after the courts had finished gimplegs and his cronies are walking around the town abusing people! why should anyone care at this stage if it is vigilante justice this fcuks get as long as its some justice?

flanum

im actually sick of this conversation... hope another one of them takes an overdose soon! and i hope its one of the rich daddy kids!!.. usless cnuts the whole lot of them and their families!!

celt262

flanum wrote: »

im actually sick of this conversation... hope another one of them takes an overdose soon! and i hope its one of the rich daddy kids!!.. usless cnuts the whole lot of them and their families!!

The dissidents arent going to be happy after their bull**** story that they had split up the gang.

Whiskey Devil

Time for some kneecappings lads.

sassa

celt262 wrote: »

The dissidents arent going to be happy after their bull**** story that they had split up the gang.

well in fairness that story was put out by the guards first that they had split up the gang to get the local press off their backs!
The curfews they're under does nothing but have the scum out at an earlier time! just hate the town my kids are growing up in! what kind of future can they really expect from a town ruled by this shower of bstards!

celt262

sassa wrote: »

well in fairness that story was put out by the guards first that they had split up the gang to get the local press off their backs!
The curfews they're under does nothing but have the scum out at an earlier time! just hate the town my kids are growing up in! what kind of future can they really expect from a town ruled by this shower of bstards!

Have any of these pricks got a kicking yet.

sassa

celt262 wrote: »

Have any of these pricks got a kicking yet.

No they haven't!:(
but when they do im hoping pictures will surface

Richie50

They are still at their antics!
A very close friend of mine told me how his young son had a mug smashed across his head and his arm stabbed with the broken mug at the bowling alley in Cavan last week!
These little ****wits are gonna keep pushing and pushing until somebody actually does some serious harm to them........and the sooner that happens the better.

DoireNod

Richie50 wrote: »

They are still at their antics!
A very close friend of mine told me how his young son had a mug smashed across his head and his arm stabbed with the broken mug at the bowling alley in Cavan last week!
These little ****wits are gonna keep pushing and pushing until somebody actually does some serious harm to them........and the sooner that happens the better.

I think I see the Bat signal. :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

What is it about Cavan and these kind of scumbags? Why Cavan? I mean, everywhere has it's scumbags, but is Cavan particularly bad? Why?! Why not Leitrim? Or Clare? Or Waterford?

Jackovarian

Everywhere is bad.

I was up in Dublin for a few weeks recently, passed loads of scummers, not a word said to me.

Got the bus home (Portlaoise), got off the bus, was walking along, passing two scumbags and the guy farthest from me says "What are ya lookin at? I'll cut your eyes out!" Ha ha, somehow I didn't feel threatened, but still!

From what I've noticed the scumbags in smaller places seem to be more aggressive. I don't know why.

Has anybody else noticed they are all illiterate? They have a collective I.Q. of 5. Why is text speak filtering through everything? Its annoying and embarrassing. Since when is it "cool" to be dumb?

I'd love to be able to carry around a hand gun. For protection obviously. A lot of these thugs carry weapons, and have no morals. They have no fear of the law either.

The time might come in a few years though, when the numbers of these fcukers is so many that they become normal society and we become the outsiders...

Just had a thought, maybe the fallout from Chernobyl caused all this!

I don't know what I'd do in a situation if somebody told me they'd cut my eyes out, surely you'd be entitled to defend yourself against such a threat ?

Jackovarian

Probably not.
In a bigger town maybe, but Portlaoise being so small, everybody knows everybody. So the repercussions of reacting would more than likely involve retaliation on me or my family. So, its not worth the hassle.

I've had friends who've been beaten, stabbed and one received brain injuries. They were all set upon for no reason.

There's only so much the Gardai can do I suppose. Its sad that most people live in fear.

Jesus Christ, that's horrendous.

Damn man, getting me very angry thinking about that happening. I absolutely hate bullies. And knackers. Can't stand them. Grrrr

sassa

signs of justice soon being served?
http://file049b.bebo.com/21/original/2009/09/08/13/8510427376a11563573281o.jpg
or will it be around a week till this scumbag is out on bail again....like last time:mad:

Ruu_Old

And people wonder why an Garda Síochána do nothing anymore, because the courts let them away with it every time! They have no confidence anymore.

Jackovarian

You know, our country is small enough, population-wise, that we should be able to form a nationwide vigilante association, that the law turns a blind eye to.

These people really have no respect for the law. They don't get punished for the crimes they commit. So why not punish them outside the law?

I don't mean violent assaults or anything like that. I don't condone violence.
Even a group to scare the feckers off or something.

Another Portlaoise story: I once seen a group of 14-15 year old girls attack and beat a council worker in the middle of the town. At around 5 o'clock in the day. Loads of people around, all afraid to do anything about it. Young girls!
Why didn't I do anything about it? I don't know. I guess fear as well. I didn't know how many of their scummy boyfriends were hanging around watching nearby and I wasn't about to find out.

If they had been arrested they would have been let out again in a couple of hours.

Its sickening.


Also, I just re-read the OP's post,
The idea of street CCTV is sickening. Why should normal people have to give up their right to walk around unwatched, just to catch the thugs? Its imposing on everybody, just to catch a minority of thugs. All of these guys are probably well known to the law. They could be rounded up at anytime.

Rounded up and sent off to the army!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jackovarian wrote: »

You know, our country is small enough, population-wise, that we should be able to form a nationwide vigilante association, that the law turns a blind eye to.

These people really have no respect for the law. They don't get punished for the crimes they commit. So why not punish them outside the law?

I don't mean violent assaults or anything like that. I don't condone violence.
Even a group to scare the feckers off or something.

Another Portlaoise story: I once seen a group of 14-15 year old girls attack and beat a council worker in the middle of the town. At around 5 o'clock in the day. Loads of people around, all afraid to do anything about it. Young girls!
Why didn't I do anything about it? I don't know. I guess fear as well. I didn't know how many of their scummy boyfriends were hanging around watching nearby and I wasn't about to find out.

If they had been arrested they would have been let out again in a couple of hours.

Its sickening.


Also, I just re-read the OP's post,
The idea of street CCTV is sickening. Why should normal people have to give up their right to walk around unwatched, just to catch the thugs? Its imposing on everybody, just to catch a minority of thugs. All of these guys are probably well known to the law. They could be rounded up at anytime.

Rounded up and sent off to the army!

I can give you a sack, but you have to supply your own knobs.

Seriously, the law isn't the problem here, it's the courts. You have vigilate court-sittings? Be my guest.

Raiser

Ruu wrote: »

And people wonder why an Garda Síochána do nothing anymore, because the courts let them away with it every time! They have no confidence anymore.

The Gardaí should stop cashing their pay cheques so - they're as bad as the Scumbags; Wimps in uniform skulking around the streets up to no good and fcuking the Taxpayer over through laziness, indifference and lack of initiative - sound familiar? - They're a fine match for each other :mad:

- Honestly I agree with all of the common sense arguments on this thread, but if some 20 year old who was missing Chromosomes smashed a mug off a child off mines head and then stabbed him with the shattered fragments they would be fcuking mangled :mad:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Raiser wrote: »

The Gardaí should stop cashing their pay cheques so - they're as bad as the Scumbags; Wimps in uniform skulking around the streets up to no good and fcuking the Taxpayer over through laziness, indifference and lack of initiative - sound familiar? - They're a fine match for each other :mad::

You don't seriously believe that, do you? Or do you think going on trial for assault should be part of the job discription when you sign up to be a guard?

By all means, campaign for a change in the law if you think it needs reform; or as I said earlier, the courts; but don't expect a paid employee of the state to break the very laws he's paid to enforce. What's the bets you'll be the first one ranting about "police brutality" and hoping that said "wimp in a uniform skulking the streets" gets sent down...?

Stark

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You don't seriously believe that, do you? Or do you think going on trial for assault should be part of the job discription when you sign up to be a guard?

By all means, campaign for a change in the law if you think it needs reform; or as I said earlier, the courts; but don't expect a paid employee of the state to break the very laws he's paid to enforce. What's the bets you'll be the first one ranting about "police brutality" and hoping that said "wimp in a uniform skulking the streets" gets sent down...?

/Indymedia blog post written. Preparing to hit send.

Jackovarian

Eh, there's a big difference between police attacking protesters or something and sorting out scumbags.

Nobody, except little Johnny's mother, will have any problem with that.

But yes, the law needs a review. We don't live in the 50's anymore.
Having said that, I think we need a new Police force. I wouldn't trust our guys with guns. Just look at what happened in Abbeylara. There are loads of cases of trigger happy cops around the country.

So until the law gets a reform, all we will hear is "We're dealing with it as best we can." Which obviously is to do nothing at all, except maybe drive by every few minutes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Stark wrote: »

/Indymedia blog post written. Preparing to hit send.

???

Jackovarian wrote: »

Eh, there's a big difference between police attacking protesters or something and sorting out scumbags.

Nobody, except little Johnny's mother, will have any problem with that.

But yes, the law needs a review. We don't live in the 50's anymore.
Having said that, I think we need a new Police force. I wouldn't trust our guys with guns. Just look at what happened in Abbeylara. There are loads of cases of trigger happy cops around the country.

So until the law gets a reform, all we will hear is "We're dealing with it as best we can." Which obviously is to do nothing at all, except maybe drive by every few minutes.

What protesters? Sorry, there's a few giant leraps there. We were talking about effectiveness or lack thereof of the police...?

Exactly what type of "new police force" do you have in mind?

Can you prove that the current police force sit around doing nothing, or is this just one of those things the poster is more comfotrable believeing becuase it's easier than the truth? If I'm wrong (and I may well be) please point me to sources.

Do you want armed police keeping the streets clean or pen-pushing police writing reports and "dealing with it as best we can"? MAKE YOUR MIND UP!

Beyond that, I'll be the first to say that I believe the law needs reform so that the guards have the tools they need (and I'm not nessecarily talking physical tools here) and the protection to deal with a modern problem.

Stark

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

???

Joke.

An Taoiseach BC

Dear boards.ie users.
The government, The Gardaí and the prosecution service all hold a very dim view on vigilante behaviour.
The Gardaí are highly trained to locate, identify and arrest anyone suspected of a crime in a peaceful, firm and efficient manner. If we where to take the law into our own hands then we simply do not have the training or the resources to bring a situation under control whilst also ensuring the correct party is removed.
Please do not place yourself in danger, phone the gardaí on 999 or 112 explain the situation camly and they will be with you as soon as possible.
Is mise le meas,
Brian Cowen.

Stark

Ah yeah, but "peaceful, firm and efficient" doesn't get scumbag legs broken now does it? :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Stark wrote: »

Joke.

Subtle!

Buffy the bitch

An Taoiseach BC wrote: »

Dear boards.ie users.
The government, The Gardaí and the prosecution service all hold a very dim view on vigilante behaviour.
The Gardaí are highly trained to locate, identify and arrest anyone suspected of a crime in a peaceful, firm and efficient manner. If we where to take the law into our own hands then we simply do not have the training or the resources to bring a situation under control whilst also ensuring the correct party is removed.
Please do not place yourself in danger, phone the gardaí on 999 or 112 explain the situation camly and they will be with you as soon as possible.
Is mise le meas,
Brian Cowen.

Joke of the month goes to you..

celt262

How many of these are involved in assaults?