Time for a new campaign " She drives (into pothole) , He fixes puncture"

EL_Loco

"Ohhh you're killing me" She said.
Yes we were in a car.


* potentially disasterous repeat of a joke that may or may not have been already made

AugustusMaximus

steve06 wrote: »

I heard on the radio this morning that the RSA were trying to put forward proposals for 'boy racers' to be given a curfew and also make it illegal for males under 25 to be insured on cars with engines over a designated size. I can't believe this group of morons!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/driving-curfew-proposed-to-save-young-mens-lives-1868264.html

"The options include a curfew banning late-night driving; restrictions on engine size and speed; and laying down who could accompany young men in cars."
Well we're not allowed to drive with women in the car in case we kill them!

"RSA chairman Gay Byrne said yesterday that it was part of a proposed "reconfiguration of the driving licence" for young men."
They should be taken to the high court for sexist behaviour!

Quite simply outrageous. There is no way in hell that this legislation could pass EU equality rules but even the thought that these idiots would come up with such a half arsed plan amazes me.

Its time to disband this quango and save the country some money in a time of need.


And just to see that this hopefully is against equality laws, here's a thread I started over on the legal board in regards to its legality.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61780108#post61780108

thethedev

If any of this curfew bull**** comes in I will be putting forward a legal challenge!
It is blatant sexism, and just another one of the RSA's attempts to look like they matter when they really dont. Its perfectly fine for Gay byrne and every other crooked twisted waste of space in government if this legislation comes in but as usual, ordinary people will suffer what about all the young tradesmen who need to drive for work?
A fantastic way to lower the quality of life for a large proportion of the general public.
Engine size means nothing! A 2.5 diesel van is going to be slow as anything. A 1.7 can have as much power as a 1.3.
A 1.3 can be seriously powerful out of the factory and a 990cc car can be incredibly fast also, its so clear that these morons dont know what they are doing.
Even working of BHP its still no real indication of what a car can do.
How about getting rid of Gay Byrne and using the money they've saved to improve the roads and driver training!
These statistics they have put forward are hugley flawed and just shows how un-scientific these peoples train of thought is.

Im starting to think that the RSA is simply working for the insurance companies and giving them ammo to fleece a large part of the general public who need to drive!

Useless bastards!

galwaytt

If anyone wants, I have the MP3 of the He Drives, She DrivesWhines ad ......

Kiya

Gran Hermano wrote: »

I spotted a male driving a busload of nuns yesterday, I quickly pulled over
and phoned the gardai - it's not everyday I spot an attempted mass murderer in action.

Absolutely Hilarious!!

But seriously though, as a female driver I am sick to death of this ad campaign & the opinions it’s incensing.
Its creating more of an issue with males getting all anti female, c’mon lads “HELLO, we didn’t ask for this”! :P

It’s basically just the morons in the RSA coming up with more sexist twaddle, being promoted by another sexist idea "rose of tralee"/models" to give them exposure.
I don’t take anything issued by The RSA seriously, but I have complained against this campaign.

Now if they actually trained existing/upcoming drivers how to drive properly in this country.
And petitioned for realistic road speeds (80km on a perfectly good motorway anyone?) then I’d consider supporting them but otherwise they make my blood boil... GRRrrr. :mad:

Should they start another one regarding the old people who never learned how to drive & automatically received licences? And who've almost taken me out on a ridiculous amount of occasions.
Or the non nationals who arrive here from African countries who can’t drive for ****e, why allow them to swap their licence for an Irish one with no testing!?! MENTAL. Not very safe is it RSA?

If people are stupid enough to drink & drive then they deserve what happens to them.
The same goes for anyone who gets into a car with a driver (who cares what’s between their legs?) they know cant be trusted with a lighter, let alone a machine that could kill them & other people... well tough nuts, you deserve what happens to you.

You are an adult & shouldn’t need an ad campaign to tell you what to do, that’s what your mammy’s for. :rolleyes:

Right,

Rant over.
(Disclaimer: all opinions expressed here were during a rant & can’t be held against me)
Kiya

smash

galwaytt wrote: »

If anyone wants, I have the MP3 of the He Drives, She DrivesWhines ad ......

post it somewhere, I believe it's needed to make a complaint!

AugustusMaximus

steve06 wrote: »

post it somewhere, I believe it's needed to make a complaint!

Use Microsoft Movie Maker to make a video file out of it with a still picture of Gay Byrne in the background and then upload it to youtube to let it be ridiculed by the masses.

kazzer

“She texts, they die”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8203120.stm?ls

GTE

Oh this is crazy!
Of all the times Ive wanted to move out of the country this barbie doll starts crap like that?

Feck safety regs,
Feck conditions of the road
Feck driving education
Why dont we take the piss out of guys again?
BIGGER INSURANCE PREMIUMS!
WOOP WOOP!
MORE GENERALISATIONS
WOOP WOOP!
LETS PROMOTE SEXISM!
WOOP WOOP












******* ******s

Drummerboy08

What I want to know is what will happen to me if they bring in these regulations?

Im only 21, but I regularly drive high powered vehicles, and i regularly drive late night/early morning as part of my job. Does it mean i lose my job?

GTE

OK OK OK!!!

I was angry there, but I am now ready to talk.

I think a ban on cosmetic products should be brought in with 2 point penalty for each product found.
I think parking sensors should be mandatory for all women drivers
I think there should be a ban on women driving cars bigger then a Corsa


Oh whoopsie. . . . Im a generalising?:rolleyes:

GTE

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

What I want to know is what will happen to me if they bring in these regulations?

Im only 21, but I regularly drive high powered vehicles, and i regularly drive late night/early morning as part of my job. Does it mean i lose my job?

Yes as a man you should not be allowed drive, you will be committed to a sperm bank and sentenced to exile afterwards.



I dont think they could get away with those regs though man, there would be uproar.

2 Espressi

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

What I want to know is what will happen to me if they bring in these regulations?

Im only 21, but I regularly drive high powered vehicles, and i regularly drive late night/early morning as part of my job. Does it mean i lose my job?

Quantify "high powered vehicles". I presume you're driving a commercial or goods vehicle or a silage tractor?

I would think they are referring to social, domestic & pleasure usage under this proposal.

It would probably be up to the garda who stopped you to decide whether you're driving for work or otherwise.

I'm pretty sure that if a proposal were to be implemented it would have to be gender-neutral.

A curfew exists in the US for young drivers, you don't see the ACLU up in arms over it!

Saab Ed

NANNY STATE

BE AFRAID!

R.O.R

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

What I want to know is what will happen to me if they bring in these regulations?

Im only 21, but I regularly drive high powered vehicles, and i regularly drive late night/early morning as part of my job. Does it mean i lose my job?

Until found competent by a panel of your peers, you shall be demoted to delivering only vehicles up to 1200cc (1400cc in the case of non-turbo charged diesel vehikles)

All the better for us more mature folk

I'm actually astonished I'm still here as I had a 140bhp, 2 seat convertible aged 18 and a 240bhp Imprezza aged 22. According to all statistics, I should be dead (and have taken a good few wimmens with me) a few times over :rolleyes:

EPM

How about we all submit complaints to the RSA about an elderly gent driving a Harley erratically...pesky pensioners:D

sarsarsar

While I think that this is a very unfair generalisation on the RSA's part, I do think that it is an important issue to some extent.

A lot of young fellas driving their souped up "sports" cars use their car as a means of impressing the girls. When I was back in school, it wasnt known the amount of fellas who would drive around like idiots, the young girls would swoon because he was seen as sooooo coooool. Something they grow out of. Inevitably getting in the car with the idiot, who does even more crazy driving to impress her. This attitude is the one the ad is targeting I think.

Still couldve gone around it a much less offensive way. I have plenty of male friends who are excellent drivers, moreso than my female friends.

Solitaire

I have another great idea! We all know that older people are all dangerous on the road and are guaranteed to have Alzeimer's and be drunk at the wheel! So let's take everyone over the age of 50 off the roads! :P Another great ageist generalization by the RSGay!

Remeber kids, when you're in the RSA, anything goes!!!

[/sarcasm]

Seriously, I think this is all a blind to divert resources from stopping rich drink-driving Good Old Boys. Eh, Gay?

I hope someone is taking (legal) note of all this highly illegal [CENSORED] the RSGay keeps spewing out - at this rate they'll have set themselves up nicely for an Irish Constitutional challenge and EU Supreme Court charges by the end of the year. Time to quash a quango lads

GTE

sarsarsar wrote: »

While I think that this is a very unfair generalisation on the RSA's part, I do think that it is an important issue to some extent.

A lot of young fellas driving their souped up "sports" cars use their car as a means of impressing the girls. When I was back in school, it wasnt known the amount of fellas who would drive around like idiots, the young girls would swoon because he was seen as sooooo coooool. Something they grow out of. Inevitably getting in the car with the idiot, who does even more crazy driving to impress her. This attitude is the one the ad is targeting I think.

Still couldve gone around it a much less offensive way. I have plenty of male friends who are excellent drivers, moreso than my female friends.

I agree with you, the way the RSA have gone about this is the problem.
People who do this excessive modifying shouldnt be allowed. Certain elements of modification should be banned, such as external uprating of horse power if you wanted to get extreme. Remapping should only be done by the vehicle manufacturer or a reputable expert for example.
Exhaust modifications should be banned due to emissions and noise pollution.
NCT's should be made more strict with regards to this area also.

You dont go attacking a whole gender like they have.
I dont mean to sound like am getting at you, I think you have made a very good observation. Just this has really gotten on my nerves. Im already being priced off the road for next year when my parents wont be taking some of the financial load off me when it comes to car tax and insurance.

Drummerboy08

2 Espressi wrote: »

Quantify "high powered vehicles". I presume you're driving a commercial or goods vehicle or a silage tractor?

Nope, more like Range Rovers, Audi's, Jag's etc. Along with the likes of Subaru Legacy's, and VW Scirocco's. Not the worlds quickest cars, but still highly dangerous according to the RSA.

R.O.R wrote: »

Until found competent by a panel of your peers, you shall be demoted to delivering only vehicles up to 1200cc (1400cc in the case of non-turbo charged diesel vehikles)

All the better for us more mature folk

Mint. That means I get demoted to driving the Micra, and the odd Citroen C3.

AugustusMaximus

The ironic thing is that faster cars and safer cars.

They are less like to skid off the road due to more grip and being lighter and will stop in far less distance than a slower car.

smash

bbk wrote: »

People who do this excessive modifying shouldnt be allowed. Certain elements of modification should be banned, such as external uprating of horse power if you wanted to get extreme. Remapping should only be done by the vehicle manufacturer or a reputable expert for example.
Exhaust modifications should be banned due to emissions and noise pollution.
NCT's should be made more strict with regards to this area also.

You have good intentions regarding how stupid the RSA are getting, but you're ill informed regarding car modifications!

GTE

steve06 wrote: »

You have good intentions regarding how stupid the RSA are getting, but you're ill informed regarding car modifications!

How so?
If remaps could be detected easily (manufactures must be able to compare maps of cars with what they should be, in this day an age they should or even be made reset ECU's unless a remap is declared) were restricted to offical dealers where it would be logged in the service history and declared to the insurance companies.

smash

bbk wrote: »

People who do this excessive modifying shouldnt be allowed.

You're doing what the RSA are doing now... you're dumping enthusiasts in with boy racers. There's a difference!

bbk wrote: »

Certain elements of modification should be banned, such as external uprating of horse power if you wanted to get extreme. Remapping should only be done by the vehicle manufacturer or a reputable expert for example.

Remapping is usually done by a reputable expert so your car doesn't blow up afterwards!

bbk wrote: »

Exhaust modifications should be banned due to emissions and noise pollution.

All exhausts have a DB rating for noise pollution, and emissions rating to comply with laws!

bbk wrote: »

NCT's should be made more strict with regards to this area also.

Noise pollution has nothing to do with NCT, never has been.

bbk wrote: »

Im already being priced off the road for next year when my parents wont be taking some of the financial load off me when it comes to car tax and insurance.

Car tax has nothing to do with modifications! If your insurance is too high you can always go with another insurer or get a smaller engine.

bbk wrote: »

If remaps could be detected easily (manufactures must be able to compare maps of cars with what they should be, in this day an age they should or even be made reset ECU's unless a remap is declared) were restricted to offical dealers where it would be logged in the service history and declared to the insurance companies.

If I paid for an expensive remap by a specialist, it's nothing to do with my local service centre. You can't place the law in the hands of a dealer and tell them to reset all ECU's in case of a remap! That's just plain stupid! And a local dealer is not going to go ringing insurance companies about modifications because they really couldn't care less as it's nothing to do with them. It's up to the car owner to declare all modifications to their insurance company.

And at the end of the day, people would just stop using these garages if they did this.

Marlow

Remapping has many purposes and is not always about horsepower. There are 3 different aims you can remap your car towards (or a combination of those):

- less fuel consumption
- more torque
- more speed

As per remapping and the detection of it, that's a load of h**** sh**. Manufacturers are using it themselves to sell the same engine in various configurations and power options. If you let your car custom remap, you'd always go to a specialist, because you don't want your engine damaged over a longer time, do you ?

Exhausts, again, same thing: if it's an exhaust from a manufacturer that had it tested etc., there's nothing wrong changing it. The issue is when some bozo comes around and makes his own modifications to it, like removing the catalyst etc.

As for throwing boy racers and enthusiasts in one pot: The boy racers that are dangerous are actually not the ones with horse power. It's all the mocked up cars that don't have the engine power, especially don't have the break power, ergo a lot show, no go !! Those ones that then go out and try to act like they had the power under the hood.

If you have a car, that has been professionally trimmed so that bhp, torque, breaks, suspension etc. match, there is no issue with having 400-500 bhp.

The RSA doesn't seem to understand, that there is much worse issues on the road, like too much signage, signage left out even after things have been finished up, potholes that only are fixed when the CoCo gets sued, cars that aren't road worthy, people that drive on a learner license for 8 years etc. without ever haven given proper instructions, people that have a full license but never took a theory nor practical test, etc.

/M

GTE

Red text within quote is my reply

steve06 wrote: »

You're doing what the RSA are doing now... you're dumping enthusiasts in with boy racers. There's a difference!
Fair enough, it should be strictly regulated in that case

Remapping is usually done by a reputable expert so your car doesn't blow up afterwards!
Yes, usually, not always

All exhausts have a DB rating for noise pollution, and emissions rating to comply with laws!
If an exhaust can wake you up in the middle of the night when there is racing going on on the main road or whatever then the dB level should be brought down at least 3dB. What is the current rating decibel wise?Indeed Emmissions are regulated however it doenst stop people drilling holes in the piles, I have even had people brag about it to me.

Noise pollution has nothing to do with NCT, never has been.
It should, you have missed my point totally. The NCT should include these areas to keep cars that are too loud off the road. Im saying the way the NCT is now could be changed to inhibit people overdoing it. Indeed if the comply with regs then thats perfect, but they dont always do

Car tax has nothing to do with modifications! If your insurance is too high you can always go with another insurer or get a smaller engine.
Im prepared to pay for the insurance and car tax but not when I could be told I am not allowed drive at a certain time because of a subset of my gender causing problems, ridiculous.

If I paid for an expensive remap by a specialist, it's nothing to do with my local service centre. You can't place the law in the hands of a dealer and tell them to reset all ECU's in case of a remap!
In what Im suggesting if the area of car modification is regulated better, your remap would have been declared in its log book or by an insurance company, if someone servicing the car who sees no declaration of a remap the ECU could be reset for example if the garage has the equipment, or at the very least if a remap is detected the appropriate declarations are made
That's just plain stupid! And a local dealer is not going to go ringing insurance companies about modifications because they really couldn't care less as it's nothing to do with them. It's up to the car owner to declare all modifications to their insurance company.
Indeed, then another alternative is to have the NCT test centre have the equipment needed to find and declare a remap. You see, I think you have missed the point. I know how it is now, im talking about how maybe it should be

And at the end of the day, people would just stop using these garages if they did this.

At least it would be a start for regulating modifications to cars so that no mods go unnoticed, not saying that they are bad but as long as mods have to be declared in someway then maybe it will deter people from getting a remap for example, hiding it from an insurance company then when there is a service or NCT the remap is either declared or reversed.

You are REALLY missing my point. Im not out to get people with loads of horse power, its about detering people from getting mods that will end up being dangerous. Im not implying for a moment that you have gotten a remap from an unreliable source or gotten the car chipped by some dogy lad. Its not an attack on you, its a suggestion on how mods should be delt with. If you are above board you are above board and you shouldnt worry.

A friend of mine got a BHP bias remap and its made the car uncontrollable in the wet! The insurance company know about it but my point is if someone gets the car chipped or remapped for horse power from an unreliable source and then the get a car thats too powerful for its own good then we have a problem. If its regulated correctly then at a full service or ideally at an NCT once the modification which hasnt been properly declared is found the car owner must tell the insurance company, incur a rise in premium if it applys or have it reversed.

GTE

Marlow wrote: »

The RSA doesn't seem to understand, that there is much worse issues on the road, like too much signage, signage left out even after things have been finished up, potholes that only are fixed when the CoCo gets sued, cars that aren't road worthy, people that drive on a learner license for 8 years etc. without ever haven given proper instructions, people that have a full license but never took a theory nor practical test, etc.

/M

That is indeed a much bigger problem then the "boy racer" thing they are going after now, but thats the easy route to take so of course being Ireland the easy route is taken.

Theta

To be honest I think Gay Byrne is a lunatic. He has lost it with the RSA.

Did he not say once that we should limit people not from Ireland to a reduced speed limit?

All of this rubbish annoys me because I drive a safe prob what they would class high powered car and because of that they want me tucked up in bed after a time they think I would suddenly turn into a danger at.

I mean you can give a 20 year old a smart car and he car still use it as a weapon. It doesnt matter if he was driving a bus or a mini he can still kill people. Education not limitations will ultimatly reduce the number of road deaths oh and enforcing the current road legislation.

smash

bbk wrote: »

At least it would be a start for regulating modifications to cars so that no mods go unnoticed, not saying that they are bad but as long as mods have to be declared in someway then maybe it will deter people from getting a remap for example, hiding it from an insurance company then when there is a service or NCT the remap is either declared or reversed.

So you expect the NCT centre or service centre to call insurance companies to ask if mods are declared? Sure, that'll work! :rolleyes: And you're obsessed with remaps for some reason....

bbk wrote: »

You are REALLY missing my point. Im not out to get people with loads of horse power, its about detering people from getting mods that will end up being dangerous.

You're the one missing the point, it's lack of driver education that's dangerous, not car modifications!

bbk wrote: »

If you are above board you are above board and you shouldnt worry.

All modifications I have, are declared with my insurance company, I pay an extra premium for them!

bbk wrote: »

A friend of mine got a BHP bias remap and its made the car uncontrollable in the wet!

Again, that's down to lack of driver education to control cars in certain conditions and know the limits!


Oh, and anyone that drills holes in their pipes is a f*cking moron and the car wont pass an NCT, they will also be told by most service centres that the car is illegal and be made sign a disclaimer when leaving to state that they've been told about the issue.

GTE

Marlow wrote: »

Remapping has many purposes and is not always about horsepower. There are 3 different aims you can remap your car towards (or a combination of those):

- less fuel consumption
- more torque
- more speed

As per remapping and the detection of it, that's a load of h**** sh**. Manufacturers are using it themselves to sell the same engine in various configurations and power options. If you let your car custom remap, you'd always go to a specialist, because you don't want your engine damaged over a longer time, do you ?
I would, but would everyone? I know manufactures use maps for the same engine in different country's, what exactly is your point there? Remaps and chipping doesnt have to be done by the book
Exhausts, again, same thing: if it's an exhaust from a manufacturer that had it tested etc., there's nothing wrong changing it. The issue is when some bozo comes around and makes his own modifications to it, like removing the catalyst etc.
Thats exactly my point about the bozo you speak of. Exhausts are generally a ok, its the aftermarket ones that are fitted or modifications made the the exhaust that give it an over loaded dB level.

hat then go out and try to act like they had the power under the hood.

If you have a car, that has been professionally trimmed so that bhp, torque, breaks, suspension etc. match, there is no issue with having 400-500 bhp.
And then there will be no issue as its been declared accordingly, dear lord Im not out to get you!

/M

GTE

steve06 wrote: »

So you expect the NCT centre or service centre to call insurance companies to ask if mods are declared? Sure, that'll work! :rolleyes: And you're obsessed with remaps for some reason....
Remaps are just an example, chipping is another example

You're the one missing the point, it's lack of driver education that's dangerous, not car modifications!
I am not disputing that, but do you dispute that lack of driver education plus BHP increasing mods are a bad mix?

All modifications I have, are declared with my insurance company, I pay an extra premium for them!
Im not disputing that, dont take this as personal attack on your credibility my friend

Actually at this point Im not going to bother reply to this here, if you wish to PM me I will entertain it for a while.
You are getting defensive for no reason, I have not nor did I intend to attack your credibility and since you seem to think I am I'm not going to bother fighting it as I never once attacked you in this.

Good day to you.

Marlow

bbk wrote: »

Actually at this point Im not going to bother reply to this here, if you wish to PM me I will entertain it for a while.
You are getting defensive for no reason, I have not nor did I intend to attack your credibility and since you seem to think I am I'm not going to bother fighting it as I never once attacked you in this.

The issue is, that your approach doesn't fix the issue either, because if your "proposal" was the route taken a lot of others would be hit, that have nothing to do with boy racers.

People that get a dodgy remap won't have their car for long, because the engine will die.

Aftermarket exchausts aren't bad, it's the custom mods that yer boy racer does to it, that is and those will be caught. The issue there is, that the gardai need a proper tool to measure sound. Right now, the way it is, is that the garda stands behind your car and let you rev it up, then based on his hearing and opinion decides, if it's excessive loud. Doesn't matter if it's factory/manufacturer fit or not. Just matters if he thinks you are a boy racer.

I get stopped once in a while in a checkpoint, just because I have a hugely large amateur-radio antenna on the boot. Antenna doesn't make me a boy racer though.

The issue is, that there is no easy way out, the RSA will have to tackle the real problems and not come up with rubbish ad's and it doesn't seem to happen, because they have no clue.

/M

smash

I'm not saying you're attacking my credibility, it's just that all the things you and the RSA have a problem with, aren't the actual problem. The problem is the lack of driver education and that's what should be tackled, not car modifications.

You want to implement new laws to stop people modifying their cars - what needs to be done and is a lot easier it to introduce a new licence system which should in my opinion be brought in as part of the schooling system to educate people about cars and how to drive in different conditions and situations. This should apply to all drivers, not just young men!

GTE

Marlow wrote: »

The issue is, that your approach doesn't fix the issue either, because if your "proposal" was the route taken a lot of others would be hit, that have nothing to do with boy racers.

People that get a dodgy remap won't have their car for long, because the engine will die.

Aftermarket exchausts aren't bad, it's the custom mods that yer boy racer does to it, that is and those will be caught. The issue there is, that the gardai need a proper tool to measure sound. Right now, the way it is, is that the garda stands behind your car and let you rev it up, then based on his hearing and opinion decides, if it's excessive loud. Doesn't matter if it's factory/manufacturer fit or not. Just matters if he thinks you are a boy racer.

I get stopped once in a while in a checkpoint, just because I have a hugely large amateur-radio antenna on the boot. Antenna doesn't make me a boy racer though.

The issue is, that there is no easy way out, the RSA will have to tackle the real problems and not come up with rubbish ad's and it doesn't seem to happen, because they have no clue.

/M

I accept what you are saying, I can see the logic in what you say however would a stricter NCT not cut down on these adapted exhausts, remaps, chips and other power increasing mods. Granted yes a car will die if its modified badly but if someone gets a good chip, a good remap or the such from a source and they dont declare it. Then the incentive is there for the younger folk to do the same thing, it sure would for me and it does happen. What my idea would do is get rid of this incentive for younger folk to get these modifications as by getting them they would have to go the fully autorised route like most but then automatically have it declared and incur the insurance premiums they would have hoped to avoid with non disclosure. Again, just incase you flip out im not imply you dont disclose information like that.

GTE

steve06 wrote: »

I'm not saying you're attacking my credibility, it's just that all the things you and the RSA have a problem with, aren't the actual problem. The problem is the lack of driver education and that's what should be tackled, not car modifications.

You want to implement new laws to stop people modifying their cars - what needs to be done and is a lot easier it to introduce a new licence system which should in my opinion be brought in as part of the schooling system to educate people about cars and how to drive in different conditions and situations. This should apply to all drivers, not just young men!

I agree with you there, the driving education should be brought into the schooling system! Absolutely. However in conjunction with that if a law was introduced to have all mods declared like they should coupled with the proper education then that would be a great alternative to what we have now.

There will still be that instinct or whatever you want to call it by some teenagers that will end up doing the same thing as now even with the education. What my idea is about would be a backup to the education reform or a first wave of reform before the education can be organised. With the way the education system is now introducing new subjects will take away from others and debate and organisation which will all take time will be needed before the education worth implementing can be implemented.
An example in my school was SPHE and CSPE. They were introduced as compulsory subjects but what happened in some schools was that with as many subjects as there are these days, (it happened in my school) subjects like Religion, PE, Irish, English had to be cut back to accommodate the new subjects. In different schools there were different solutions I imagine like longer days or something. At the very least reformed education and a form of my idea should be introduced as soon as its viable in my opinion.

This has moved off the main subject but to bring it back ANY and ALL laws and what not should be made across the board. All people under a certain age for example. No sexism.

smash

bbk wrote: »

I accept what you are saying, I can see the logic in what you say however would a stricter NCT not cut down on these adapted exhausts, remaps, chips and other power increasing mods. Granted yes a car will die if its modified badly but if someone gets a good chip, a good remap or the such from a source and they dont declare it. Then the incentive is there for the younger folk to do the same thing, it sure would for me and it does happen. What my idea would do is get rid of this incentive for younger folk to get these modifications as by getting them they would have to go the fully autorised route like most but then automatically have it declared and incur the insurance premiums they would have hoped to avoid with non disclosure. Again, just incase you flip out im not imply you dont disclose information like that.

You have to remember that increasing a car's power is not illegal and what you're suggesting is that all NCT centres have diagnostic equipment for all makes and models!

What if for example I bought a car, modified it, declared all modifications and then sold it to you. You bring it for NCT and they notice the mods, what do you do and what do they do? Do they call your insurer to see if you've declared them? Do you pay a hefty bill to standardise the car?

bbk wrote: »

However in conjunction with that if a law was introduced to have all mods declared like they should

but that IS a law, through insurance, you must declare all mods. If you don't you're not actually insured!

GTE

steve06 wrote: »

You have to remember that increasing a car's power is not illegal and what you're suggesting is that all NCT centres have diagnostic equipment for all makes and models!
Some form of making sure everything is ship shape at least, its the one time when every car can be checked to the same standard
What if for example I bought a car, modified it, declared all modifications and then sold it to you. You bring it for NCT and they notice the mods, what do you do and what do they do? Do they call your insurer to see if you've declared them? Do you pay a hefty bill to standardise the car?
The declared mods could be either logged in the log book or put onto a national database

but that IS a law, through insurance, you must declare all mods. If you don't you're not actually insured!

If you never have to make a claim however you will get away with a possibly cheaper premium then you should pay. Its a retarded thing to do but you cant say that it doesnt happen. People who declare everything they should fine, people who dont should be forced.

As regards to measuring dB from an exhaust Im surprised that equipment to measure the sound pressure level hasnt already been rolled out. Even the average laptop could do that.

smash

The NCT is there to make sure cars are safe on the roads. You can't say all modified cars aren't safe! If a car is badly modified and actually isn't safe then it wont pass an NCT anyway, if it's modified but is safe then it will pass an NCT and it's up to the driver to make sure that they drive it safely! Which again comes back to driver education.

Marlow

bbk wrote: »

As regards to measuring dB from an exhaust Im surprised that equipment to measure the sound pressure level hasnt already been rolled out. Even the average laptop could do that.

Well, then you clearly haven't been at a country-side garda station lately. All the garda in Kilchreest (Co. Galway) has to his disposal in his office (not even in his car) is a fax machine. He has to drive to Gort twice a week to enter his reports in the computer there. He also only got a cop-car 2 years ago (a Ford Fiesta). Before that he was driving his own banger.

How would you think, they'd start installing laptops in the cop-cars so ?

/M

GTE

steve06 wrote: »

The NCT is there to make sure cars are safe on the roads. You can't say all modified cars aren't safe! If a car is badly modified and actually isn't safe then it wont pass an NCT anyway, if it's modified but is safe then it will pass an NCT and it's up to the driver to make sure that they drive it safely! Which again comes back to driver education.

Its less about saying modified cars are unsafe but more about getting rid of this incentive for young folk to modify their cars, who then get it done by a means that they can not disclose to the people who should know.

Once a mod has been found that hasnt been declared properly then summet bad happens. Either a fine, notifying insurance companies and letting them do what they feel is appropriate.

Drivers education aside, I dont mind mods, but if the incentive to teenages like me is ruined then sure Ill be :mad: the world is against me but the roads will be safer.

Its better then trying to curfew a subset of the population when a smaller subset of that is actually causing the problem.

"awh, man I got this induction kit. I got some extra HP!!"
"did you declare it?"
"no, sure I wont crash, I know everything"
"but what about the NCT? if they find it they everyone will know about it"

Its that kinda thing im on about, induction kits dont do that much but the principle is there. I couldnt handle a car with extra power too much better with education, only with experience. Thats not saying education isnt important, it needs huge reform like you say.

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smash

bbk wrote: »

Drivers education aside, I dont mind mods, but if the incentive to teenages like me is ruined then sure Ill be :mad: the world is against me but the roads will be safer.

Because a car isn't modified, it wont automatically become safer on the road because there could still be an idiot behind the wheel... that's my point!

bbk wrote: »

I couldnt handle a car with extra power too much better with education, only with experience. Thats not saying education isnt important, it needs huge reform like you say.

Why not? If the speed limit it 50kph then you could drive a Micra or a Veyron, the speed limit is still 50kph and you're legally obliged to stick to it so power shouldn't come into the argument!

GTE

Marlow wrote: »

Well, then you clearly haven't been at a country-side garda station lately. All the garda in Kilchreest (Co. Galway) has to his disposal in his office (not even in his car) is a fax machine. He has to drive to Gort twice a week to enter his reports in the computer there. He also only got a cop-car 2 years ago (a Ford Fiesta). Before that he was driving his own banger.

How would you think, they'd start installing laptops in the cop-cars so ?

/M

Oh calm down Marlow.
Im not giving out to the front line, its the powers at be that hand out the €€€, even before the recession that should have copped on. That must be obvious, the front line I wouldnt think could go out and buy equipment, wouldnt it come from higher up in the chain?

http://www.thomann.de/ie/digital_sound_8928.htm
There, a cheap SPL meter, it does the freq range that matters for the most part. Deals can be done.

GTE

steve06 wrote: »

Because a car isn't modified, it wont automatically become safer on the road because there could still be an idiot behind the wheel... that's my point!
Thats my point too, if the idiot cant get a mod without all the trouble then at least the idiot wont be in a car that can do as much damage. Its about experience from a slow accelerating car for example to a quick one, it takes time..

Why not? If the speed limit it 50kph then you could drive a Micra or a Veyron, the speed limit is still 50kph and you're legally obliged to stick to it so power shouldn't come into the argument!

The way the car laws down the power before you get to 50kph is one obvious point to consider, it could run away with you before you reach any speed limit. A second obvious one is that even though we have speed limits they are broken constantly so you cant argue that point because we unfortunately dont live in an ideal world.

Marlow

bbk wrote: »

Oh calm down Marlow.
its the powers at be that hand out the €€€, even before the recession that should have copped on. That must be obvious, the front line I wouldnt think could go out and buy equipment, wouldnt it come from higher up in the chain?

Correct. The front line is left old fashioned methods (which are useless), without proper tools etc. and it's down to the gov to fix it, but they won't. And then they stick a bunch of incompetent f****** in the RSA, that run a campaign, that is way out of order, because it doesn't deal with the fact, it doesn't fix a thing and it doesn't make the roads safer. Neither would limiting the laws around modding, as the coppers still can't enforce it.

Fact is, this campaign is waste of tax money and it doesn't change a thing. Fact is also, that modding your car doesn't make it dangerous. Lack of education behind the wheel (regardless of mod or not) is dangerous.

I'm more afraid of a soccer suv mummy or an old farmer in his VW Jetta (on the roads that is), than I'm afraid of a boy racer.

/M

GTE

I know Im correct about that.
And again I say, modded cars are not dangerous, but modded cars with an idiot at the wheels is more dangerous then one at the wheel of a standard car. Education and something like thats would be a fantastic reform, education alone would need to be backed up by hard legislation.

Marlow

bbk wrote: »

education alone would need to be backed up by hard legislation.

Then put the legilation on the education required to drive the car in the first place, not on the modding.

Just see L-license changes a few years back. They were going to enforce you to have a full license to drive on your own etc., which was a serious good move and then backed out again (at least for people on current L-license), which utterly flawed things again.

An idiot at the wheel is dangerous (no more or less) behind the wheel of any car, regardless of mod or not, period. Less dangerous is still not helping the situation.

/M

Saab Ed

bbk wrote: »

And again I say, modded cars are not dangerous, but modded cars with an idiot at the wheels is more dangerous then one at the wheel of a standard car.

An idiot at the wheel of anything is dangerous. Lets not beat each other up, we're all on the same side here really.

GTE

Marlow wrote: »

Then put the legilation on the education required to drive the car in the first place, not on the modding.

Why? Does education mean everyone coming out of the system has the same level of competence?

An idiot at the wheel is dangerous (no more or less) behind the wheel of any car, regardless of mod or not, period. Less dangerous is still not helping the situation.
Thats an odd claim. Why you ask? Forget this person being an idiot for a minute. Give him or her a car that doesnt accelerate that quick, put some mods on then its a totally new experience to handle at a young age, the car may accelerate too quick for his developing reactions to take and bam, he could be in your rear bumper soon enough

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smash

bbk wrote: »

Give him or her a car that doesnt accelerate that quick, put some mods on then its a totally new experience to handle at a young age, the car may accelerate too quick for his developing reactions to take and bam, he could be in your rear bumper soon enough

It's still down to education and driving style though, you don't have to put the foot to the floor when accelerating off the lights!