Eli Manning will become the highest-paid player in the NFL after agreeing a $97 milli

Trampas

Eli Manning is set to become the highest-paid player in the NFL after agreeing a $97million contract extension with the New York Giants.

Although the deal has yet to be officially announced it is thought to be six years in length, meaning the quarterback will take home an annual salary of approximately $15.3m.

An unidentified source close to the talks told AP that Manning was guaranteed $35m under the deal, which will last through to the 2015 season.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the contract had yet to be signed, although it could go through on Wednesday after both parties reviewed its terms.

Giants general manager Jerry Reese was hopeful that Manning's contract would be extended.

"He is a franchise quarterback," Reese said. "He has done everything we asked him to do. He has come in, taken a lot of flack from you guys (the media) and he just keeps going.

"He does what we ask him on the field and he does what we ask him to do off the field. He is a good football player."

Both Manning and his agent Tom Condon have so far declined to comment.

Higher salary

His salary is expected to be around $200,000 higher than that of All-Pro cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha of the Oakland Raiders.

Asomugha agreed to a three-year, $45.3m contract earlier this year.

It is also more than Manning's older brother, Peyton, who earns an average of $14.17 million annually with the Indianapolis Colts.

Now 28, Manning led the Giants to victory in the 2008 Super Bowl against the New England Patriots - a game in which he was also named the MVP.

Although Manning was in the final year of the contract he signed as the number one overall pick in 2004, there was little chance of him becoming a free agent.

The Giants could have named him a franchise player and Manning has long said he wants to stay put.

He took over as the Giants starter midway through his rookie season and he has led New York to the play-offs in each of the past four seasons.

Manning went to the Pro Bowl for the first time after last season, when he passed for 3,238 yards and 21 touchdowns.

He also threw only 10 interceptions, 10 fewer than the previous season.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_5475195,00.html

The Munky

He only threw ten interceptions last year because his main target missed the end of the season. He isn't the best QB in the National Football League in any ranking of merit.

But, I do wonder what his older brother is thinking as he chokes on his 'Lucky Charms'.....

Sea Devils

He probably won't be the highest paid player for too long. I'd expect Rivers to top it in the near future

boccy23

He's well worth it. Brought us a chanpionship under massive pressure.

This year will also tell alot for the G-men as Plax is gone and we have a number of young receivers.

Rivers may top it, but he has yet to deliver fully. A more talented team on offense and possible defense but no clutch. He tried against the Patriots in '07 and he does well in some pressure games but with their talent, the Bolts should have won it all by now. With LT going downhill and expecting Sproles (a 5'7" back) to carry the load may be too much.

Sea Devils

It's not just that but they have a lot of contracts expiring next year. I defintely think they will resign Rivers but it also could mean one or two decent players leaving the Chargers e.g. Merriman.

Hazys

That means Tom Brady will be expected to get a contract with in that range

tallaghtoutlaws

Hazys wrote: »

That means Tom Brady will be expected to get a contract with in that range

And then some

Peyton Manning

Isnt Matthew Stafford already the highest guaranteed paid player in the NFL, on something slightly over Haynesworth's $41 million?

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

And then some

Didn't Brady, and P Manning, both take a pay-cut to make room in the Salary Cap?

Otherwise we'd probably be looking at the two highest players in the Sport.

Dodge

Its all relative. Pats can get away with slightly less salary because players want to work with Bellicheck and believe they'll be in with a chance of winning. (And I'm not saying that they're cheap either)

Giants and Jets have to pay extra because the players have to deal with the New York media. Similarly Cowboys can afford to spend more due to their huge support across the country

A players level of ability doens't always transfer into the wages he is paid

LuckyLloyd

No, he isn't the best QB talent wise. Probably isn't top 8 realistically. But he's highly professional, gets on with the job irrespective of the massive media attention and pressure that comes with being the man for a NYC team, and made the money plays in the money game when it counted the most.

It isn't really a question of whether he is being overvalued by this contract or not. The question is whether the Giants could ship him out and bring in one of the few better players at the position more cheaply. I don't think so. So.

Craig87

Sea Devils wrote: »

He probably won't be the highest paid player for too long. I'd expect Rivers to top it in the near future

Being honest I don't think the Chargers will top that to be honest. The NYG had to pay Eli that type of money with it being New York. San Diego will come close but I say a few million less.

If its is more money I think it will be for an extra year.

Sea Devils

Craig87 wrote: »

Being honest I don't think the Chargers will top that to be honest. The NYG had to pay Eli that type of money with it being New York. San Diego will come close but I say a few million less.

If its is more money I think it will be for an extra year.

Given the fact that you could make the arguement about Rivers being the better player out of the two it wouldn't surprise me if his agent demanded a bigger deal knowing that that for the time it looks like they might have got the better of that draft day trade

Plus Roethlisburger's recent deal was $102 million, with more than $36 million guaranteed over 8 years so that could play a huge part in the future. Just reading some of the Charger comments on blogs, forums etc the general feeling is that Rivers was waiting for that type of deal before starting negotiations

Craig87

Sea Devils wrote: »

Given the fact that you could make the arguement about Rivers being the better player out of the two it wouldn't surprise me if his agent demanded a bigger deal knowing that that for the time it looks like they might have got the better of that draft day trade

Plus Roethlisburger's recent deal was $102 million, with more than $36 million guaranteed over 8 years so that could play a huge part in the future. Just reading some of the Charger comments on blogs, forums etc the general feeling is that Rivers was waiting for that type of deal before starting negotiations

Well Yeah I understand where you are coming from and in my own view i think Rivers is the better QB but the way SD will probably look at this is You are naming two QBs that have what in common...They won the big won, they have rings, they can demand that type of money cause they have brought huge figures into the team by winning a Superbowl.

And thats all SD have to say to Rivers and he has no answer. His agent can't argue that fact.

Sea Devils

Craig87 wrote: »

Well Yeah I understand where you are coming from and in my own view i think Rivers is the better QB but the way SD will probably look at this is You are naming two QBs that have what in common...They won the big won, they have rings, they can demand that type of money cause they have brought huge figures into the team by winning a Superbowl.

And thats all SD have to say to Rivers and he has no answer. His agent can't argue that fact.

True. TBH the Chargers will probbably need to sign Rivers as quickly as they can so the price won't rise although some of it depends on the CBA and the possibility of a capless season. It might actually benefit the Chargers if that happend.

Craig87

Sea Devils wrote: »

True. TBH the Chargers will probbably need to sign Rivers as quickly as they can so the price won't rise although some of it depends on the CBA and the possibility of a capless season. It might actually benefit the Chargers if that happend.

Yeah see thats probably why they are waiting cause they don't want to sell themselves down the river. Rivers is a great QB but being honest if I was a SD fan I would have preferred to keep Bress. I think if they had kept Brees they would have at least made a Super bowl by now

Sea Devils

Craig87 wrote: »

Yeah see thats probably why they are waiting cause they don't want to sell themselves down the river. Rivers is a great QB but being honest if I was a SD fan I would have preferred to keep Bress. I think if they had kept Brees they would have at least made a Super bowl by now

It has worked out well for the Chargers though. They drafted Rivers when Bress started looking iffy. Not surprised they let him go though as Rivers was the future and was considered to have the bigger arm and quicker release but Brees was more accurate.

Both are insanely fun to watch though.

Craig87

Sea Devils wrote: »

It has worked out well for the Chargers though. They drafted Rivers when Bress started looking iffy. Not surprised they let him go though as Rivers was the future and was considered to have the bigger arm and quicker release but Brees was more accurate.

Both are insanely fun to watch though.

Oh absoltly I can understand the reasoning and thought process behind the trade of Brees. Brees was coming of that injury SD wer'nt sure how he would recover. But as far as prime time QB I would have preferred Brees over River. I think Brees is the better player and as far as leader and role model I think Brees has better character than Rivers.

Leslie91

Delighted to see all yee educated fans discussing my beloved Bolts. Just want to drop in and offer my 2 cents.

Call me a homer but Rivers is the better QB vis a vis ShEli. Having said that I do think Rivers will get slightly less $$ because he does not have the ring YET. Glad to see some of u guys agree though as to who is the better QB!.

Boccy, we are not expecting Sproles to carry the load. Ironically enough the reason he has not signed to a long term with us as yet is because our top brass do not see him as LT's replacement. Gr8 player he is though he is not an every down back. If another team wants to use him as that type of RB then he will be gone elsewhere in 2010. We tagged him this yr.

Our D let Rivers down BIGtime last year. He had a fantastic year. With Rivera in charge now and Merriman back look to see the ship righted. Rivers is not the reason SD has not won it all yet. In 07 he played New England in Foxboro with a torn ACL and no LT and he still gave his team a chance.

As to the Rivers/Brees debate, I take Rivers everytime. Brees just does not have 'it'. He will never win the big one mark my words. I know he is playing on an inferior team but he does not have the gonads imho. I was v much in the Rivers camp when it was decided to let Drew go.

Craig, in terms of a leader, again imho there is no contest, Rivers is the man. As for character don't believe all that media BS (esp after 07 season). If I am to be honest about him, Rivers is actually a real goody 2 shoes. V religous and all that, did not even do jiggy jiggy before marriage and now has 4 kids (by the 1 lady btw!).

Sea Devils

Craig87 wrote: »

I think Brees has better character than Rivers.

You mean Rivers lack of character that as "Leslie" said caused him to play with a torn MCL in the AFC title game against the Pats two years ago?. The Chargers didn't have much of a chance of winning the game anyway especially going up against the greatest offensive juggernaut in recent times but Rivers kept it close.

Both are different characters anyway. Rivers is always fired up as oppossed to cool Brees.

davyjose

Leslie91 wrote: »

As to the Rivers/Brees debate, I take Rivers everytime. Brees just does not have 'it'. He will never win the big one mark my words.

I have to say you're taking a hell of a lot of liberties here. It's not just that you're bigging up Rivers, but you're actually belittling a QB who threw for 5,000 yards last season.

I personally think, at this moment in time, Rivers is well behind Brees. I don't know what the future holds, and I would not be surprised to see Rivers make a name for himself (the guy is VERY talented), but he has an extremely good team around him, and yet still went 8-8, hmmm. Brees on the other hand doesn't have a huge amount to work with.

Brees is an ABSOLUTE class act, and to say he does not have "it", is actually quite silly.

davyjose

Sea Devils wrote: »

You mean Rivers lack of character that as "Leslie" said caused him to play with a torn ACL in the AFC title game against the Pats two years ago?. The Chargers didn't have much of a chance of winning the game anyway especially going up against the greatest offensive juggernaut in recent times but Rivers kept it close.

Both are different characters anyway. Rivers is always fired up as oppossed to cool Brees.

It was a torn MCL - don't mean to sound pedantic, but physiologically the difference is immense (unless he played Wheelchair Football )

Sea Devils

davyjose wrote: »

It was a torn MCL - don't mean to sound pedantic, but physiologically the difference is immense (unless he played Wheelchair Football )

No you didn't sound pedantic at all. Thanks for the spot:D

And yeah as much as I like Rivers Brees is the better QB. Even without much of a running game and a bad Defense he still posted up incredible stats and especially since teams knew he would throw the ball quite often.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

It was a torn MCL - don't mean to sound pedantic, but physiologically the difference is immense (unless he played Wheelchair Football )

Huge difference He would have been king of all QB and a badass play on a torn ACL. Wheelchair football sounds fun we should setup a boards league.:D:D

Leslie91

Lads, lads, lads............

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22772752/ns/sports-nfl/

The MCL sprain is what they put out in the media in the week leading up to the game. It was BS. They did not want to let the Pats know how bad he was. He even had arthroscopic surgery on the monday of the week of the game. :eek:

I'm telling you right here right now, Brees cannot and will not win the big game, he is NOT clutch. Yes he is a very good QB and he passed for millions of yards but he does not have 'it'. I know, he was a freakin Charger for a while u know!!. :cool:

Let me define 'it'.

Tom Brady has it. Elway had it. Montana had it. Favre was almost as clutch in the good ol days (pre 2005).

It's the guy you want at QB down 6 with 2 mins left and 60+ yards to go. Feel free to suggest others, they are few and far between.

U can all sledge the hell outta me if Rivers does not deliver when required in a big game (provided his defense is helping him a bit).

Leslie91

davyjose wrote: »

I have to say you're taking a hell of a lot of liberties here. It's not just that you're bigging up Rivers, but you're actually belittling a QB who threw for 5,000 yards last season.

I personally think, at this moment in time, Rivers is well behind Brees. I don't know what the future holds, and I would not be surprised to see Rivers make a name for himself (the guy is VERY talented), but he has an extremely good team around him, and yet still went 8-8, hmmm. Brees on the other hand doesn't have a huge amount to work with.

Brees is an ABSOLUTE class act, and to say he does not have "it", is actually quite silly.

I'm not belittling Brees. Not for a second, he is a v good QB but is NOT clutch. Rivers is the better QB.

tallaghtoutlaws

Leslie91 wrote: »

Lads, lads, lads............

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22772752/ns/sports-nfl/

The MCL sprain is what they put out in the media in the week leading up to the game. It was BS. They did not want to let the Pats know how bad he was. He even had arthroscopic surgery on the monday of the week of the game. :eek:

I'm telling you right here right now, Brees cannot and will not win the big game, he is NOT clutch. Yes he is a very good QB and he passed for millions of yards but he does not have 'it'. I know he was a freakin Charger for a while u know!!. :cool:

Let me define 'it'.

Tom Brady has it. Elway had it. Montana had it. Favre was almost as clutch in the good ol days (pre 2005).

It's the guy you want at QB down 6 with 2 mins left and 60+ yards to go. Feel free to suggest others, they are few and far between.

U can all sledge the hell outta me if Rivers does not deliver when required in a big game (provided his defense is helping him a bit).

Well I be dammed plenty of cortisone id say injected into his knee against the Pats.

But...

I agree with you on Brees great for fantasy football wont win you a superbowl. Rivers on the other hand good for both but he still isnt in the same breath as Brady, Elway, Montana, Favre, Namath, Unitas, Starr and Manning.

And funny you mention clutch QBs

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0608/gallery.NFLclutchqbs/content.1.html

Tobyglen

Crazy money, nice if you can get it!

davyjose

Leslie91 wrote: »

Let me define 'it'.

Tom Brady has it. Elway had it. Montana had it. Favre was almost as clutch in the good ol days (pre 2005).

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not putting Brees in the same league as these guys. But I'm sure as hell not putting Rivers in there either. Come back to me when you can tell me the "IT" Rivers has that Brees doesn't. Sounds like sour grapes.

Leslie91 wrote: »

It's the guy you want at QB down 6 with 2 mins left and 60+ yards to go. Feel free to suggest others, they are few and far between.

You obviously didn't watch the Colts much last season

davyjose

Leslie91 wrote: »

Rivers is the better QB.

I couldn't disagree more. I think if you put Brees in a team with a proper D and a solid running game(i.e. one of the best RB's the game has ever seen), it's a slam dunk - they'd easily finish 12-4 or higher (not 8-8, as both NO and SD did).

I think Brees is the third best QB in the league right now.- obviously theres a chasm behind Manning and Brady. But then you've got Brees. I expect great things from Cutler and Rivers, but right now, Brees is the man.

Craig87

Brees is the better QB he has the better arm. He has the better numbers. Rivers has never had the better passing yards.

Rivers is on the better team. He has had the better running game to back him up. The better defense.

Brees has had to single handedly win games for NO. The Saints D is one of the leagues worst. Rivers has arguably the best TE in the business with Gates. Rivers is in the easier Division.

All this included and Brees still managed to make a Championship game before
Rivers.

As far as character, Brees is a more humble player he doesn't have the arrogance or ignorance to run his mouth of and taunt opposing fans. Brees has arguably the biggest cannon arm in the league but he doesn't run his mouth about how big a throw he has or how he will break Dan Marino's record.

I'm not saying that Rivers is not tough. Yeah he played through the pain barrier and I think thats commendable but as far as personal character Brees is the bigger man.

Leslie91

davyjose wrote: »

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not putting Brees in the same league as these guys. But I'm sure as hell not putting Rivers in there either. Come back to me when you can tell me the "IT" Rivers has that Brees doesn't. Sounds like sour grapes.

You obviously didn't watch the Colts much last season

Sour grapes?...... what?, that Brees is gone and we have Rivers instead. U must b jokin. :eek:

As for watching the Colts, eh, yep, watched them a few times over the last few years;

Jan 3 2009 Indy 17 SD 23
Jan 13 2008 SD 28 Indy 24
Nov 11 2007 Indy 21 SD 23

:cool:

Leslie91

Craig87 wrote: »

Brees is the better QB he has the better arm. He has the better numbers. Rivers has never had the better passing yards.

Rivers is on the better team. He has had the better running game to back him up. The better defense.

Brees has had to single handedly win games for NO. The Saints D is one of the leagues worst. Rivers has arguably the best TE in the business with Gates. Rivers is in the easier Division.

All this included and Brees still managed to make a Championship game before
Rivers.

As far as character, Brees is a more humble player he doesn't have the arrogance or ignorance to run his mouth of and taunt opposing fans. Brees has arguably the biggest cannon arm in the league but he doesn't run his mouth about how big a throw he has or how he will break Dan Marino's record.

I'm not saying that Rivers is not tough. Yeah he played through the pain barrier and I think thats commendable but as far as personal character Brees is the bigger man.

OK, looks like I am on my own here. Craig, believe me, your impression of Rivers (arrogance/ignorance, run mouth off/taunt opposing fans) could not be more wrong.

I'm telling u the lad is a bible holding goody 2 shoes. The lad won't even curse for crying out loud. What u saw at Indy was him bantering with a drunk Indy fan, that's it, fact, it was silly to get engaged with a fan especially a drunk one. What u saw with Cutler was started by Cutler against our D and Rivers was cheerleading our defense, fact. Not since the 07 season have we seen anything like the above, and we won't see it again.

Yes Brees does not run his mouth, I never said he did.

All I am saying is this;

(1) Brees is NOT clutch. But he is a v good QB.
(2) Rivers is the better QB (08 ratings Rivers = 105.5 Brees = 96.2). Both threw the same no. of TDs but Brees through the ball 101 times more than Rivers.
(3) Gimme Rivers over Brees everytime.

That's my last post on this topic unless someone says something silly.

tallaghtoutlaws

Craig87 wrote: »

Brees is the better QB he has the better arm. He has the better numbers. Rivers has never had the better passing yards.

Rivers is on the better team. He has had the better running game to back him up. The better defense.

Brees has had to single handedly win games for NO. The Saints D is one of the leagues worst. Rivers has arguably the best TE in the business with Gates. Rivers is in the easier Division.

All this included and Brees still managed to make a Championship game before
Rivers.

As far as character, Brees is a more humble player he doesn't have the arrogance or ignorance to run his mouth of and taunt opposing fans. Brees has arguably the biggest cannon arm in the league but he doesn't run his mouth about how big a throw he has or how he will break Dan Marino's record.

I'm not saying that Rivers is not tough. Yeah he played through the pain barrier and I think thats commendable but as far as personal character Brees is the bigger man.

I agree with alot of your post for sure but I see Brees and Rivers on the same level. Alot to each of their games that differ.

True River has the better Offense but this also reflect in the Chargers gameplan to hand the ball off more than the Saints would. Giving Rivers a lower figure in the stats columns. Bree has the got the stronger arm thats for sure but to be honest if you put Rivers on the Saints he would get the same numbers due to the Offense the Saints run. The Saints Offense suits a passer more than the run.

Similar style QBs on two very different offenses really.

As for the attitude I totally agree with you Brees is the more humble of the two. Rivers episode with Cutler and shouting at fans at games and that alleged shouting match at Indy with a fan brings him down in my book.

tallaghtoutlaws

Leslie91 wrote: »

OK, looks like I am on my own here. Craig, believe me, your impression of Rivers (arrogance/ignorance, run mouth off/taunt opposing fans) could not be more wrong.

I'm telling u the lad is a bible holding goody 2 shoes. The lad won't even curse for crying out loud. What u saw at Indy was him bantering with a drunk Indy fan, that's it, fact, it was silly to get engaged with a fan especially a drunk one. What u saw with Cutler was started by Cutler against our D and Rivers was cheerleading our defense, fact. Not since the 07 season have we seen anything like the above, and we won't see it again.

Ah hear now it wasnt just at Indy he has done it at quite a few games. If you tube didnt delete vids these days I would get you the vid made by a fan on his phone. And the whole business with Cutler was childish and immature for a QB in the NFL.

I know plenty of bible bashers doesnt make them saints.(disclaimer: the word saints does not refer to the NFL team, it refers to actual saints lol)

Craig87

Leslie91 wrote: »

Yes Brees does not run his mouth, I never said he did.

All I am saying is this;

(1) Brees is NOT clutch. But he is a v good QB.
(2) Rivers is the better QB (08 ratings Rivers = 105.5 Brees = 96.2). Both threw the same no. of TDs but Brees through the ball 101 times more than Rivers.
(3) Gimme Rivers over Brees everytime.

That's my last post on this topic unless someone says something silly.

Thats just going on one season. And the reason Brees didn't throw more TDs is because Colston missed 5 games. Bush missed 6 and Shockey missed 4. Thats his three key recievers missing a total of 15 games.

The Saints lead the league in offense even though there running game was ranked 28th overall. Thats all Brees.

There D is ranked 23rd in the league and the still managed to go .500, Thats all Brees.

Passing %
Brees - 65.0 / 67.5 / 64.3
Rivers - 65.3 / 60.2 / 61.7

Season Yards
Brees - 5,069 / 4,423 / 4,418
Rivers - 4,009 / 3,152 / 3,388

TD's
Brees - 34 / 28 / 26
Rivers - 34 / 21 / 22

Passer Rating
Brees - 96.2 / 89.4 / 96.2
Rivers - 105.5 / 82.4 / 92.0

20+ Yard Plays
Brees - 66 / 47 / 61
Rivers - 48 / 44 / 41

40+ Yard Plays
Brees - 16 / 8 / 18
Rivers - 12 / 4 / 5

Sacked
Brees - 13 / 16 / 18
Rivers - 25 / 22 / 27

Sack Yards
Brees - 92 / 109 / 105
Rivers - 151 / 163 / 144

Im only using three years of stats cause thats when Rivers became a full starter. The only thing Rivers can boast better than Brees is INTs. The reason Brees has more INTs was cause he was missing his key players for periods, and when a team relies on his arm to carry the team of course there is going to INTS. But his passing % is better than Rivers. For a QB who throws over 100 times more to have a better % says it all.

I would take Brees any day over Rivers.

As for Rivers attitude the following links will show you what I mean.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/story/2008/1/9/103836/6662

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/27/bailey-criticizes-rivers-for-taunt/

Craig87

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Ah hear now it wasnt just at Indy he has done it at quite a few games. If you tube didnt delete vids these days I would get you the vid made by a fan on his phone. And the whole business with Cutler was childish and immature for a QB in the NFL.

I know plenty of bible bashers doesnt make them saints.

There are tons of vids around that show Rivers being a complete A$$. Simple fact is at the end of the days Rivers has not brought the chargers to a superbowl, so he has not really proved himself to be any better to SD than Brees.

tallaghtoutlaws

Craig87 wrote: »

There are tons of vids around that show Rivers being a complete A$$. Simple fact is at the end of the days Rivers has not brought the chargers to a superbowl, so he has not really proved himself to be any better to SD than Brees.

I didnt say he was better than Brees.

Craig87

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I didnt say he was better than Brees.

I was quoting you because you were arguing with the point I was making about Rivers having an attitude problem.

Sea Devils

Craig87 wrote: »

I was quoting you because you were arguing with the point I was making about Rivers having an attitude problem.

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

As for the attitude I totally agree with you Brees is the more humble of the two. Rivers episode with Cutler and shouting at fans at games and that alleged shouting match at Indy with a fan brings him down in my book.

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Ah hear now it wasnt just at Indy he has done it at quite a few games. If you tube didnt delete vids these days I would get you the vid made by a fan on his phone. And the whole business with Cutler was childish and immature for a QB in the NFL.

Seems like he was agreeing with you to me

Craig87

Sea Devils wrote: »

Seems like he was agreeing with you to me

I was meant to write agreeing with the point i was making, not agruing sorry my bad. Stupid fingers.

tallaghtoutlaws

Craig87 wrote: »

I was meant to write agreeing with the point i was making, not agruing sorry my bad. Stupid fingers.

Oh I see what you done there arguing agreeing easy mistake Good thing you didn't words that are not spelt similarily :D;)

Craig87

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Oh I see what you done there arguing agreeing easy mistake Good thing you didn't words that are not spelt similarily :D;)

Im dyslexic as well so that just makes things extra worse

Leslie91

Craig87 wrote: »

Thats just going on one season. And the reason Brees didn't throw more TDs is because Colston missed 5 games. Bush missed 6 and Shockey missed 4. Thats his three key recievers missing a total of 15 games.

The Saints lead the league in offense even though there running game was ranked 28th overall. Thats all Brees.

There D is ranked 23rd in the league and the still managed to go .500, Thats all Brees.

Passing %
Brees - 65.0 / 67.5 / 64.3
Rivers - 65.3 / 60.2 / 61.7

Season Yards
Brees - 5,069 / 4,423 / 4,418
Rivers - 4,009 / 3,152 / 3,388

TD's
Brees - 34 / 28 / 26
Rivers - 34 / 21 / 22

Passer Rating
Brees - 96.2 / 89.4 / 96.2
Rivers - 105.5 / 82.4 / 92.0

20+ Yard Plays
Brees - 66 / 47 / 61
Rivers - 48 / 44 / 41

40+ Yard Plays
Brees - 16 / 8 / 18
Rivers - 12 / 4 / 5

Sacked
Brees - 13 / 16 / 18
Rivers - 25 / 22 / 27

Sack Yards
Brees - 92 / 109 / 105
Rivers - 151 / 163 / 144

Im only using three years of stats cause thats when Rivers became a full starter. The only thing Rivers can boast better than Brees is INTs. The reason Brees has more INTs was cause he was missing his key players for periods, and when a team relies on his arm to carry the team of course there is going to INTS. But his passing % is better than Rivers. For a QB who throws over 100 times more to have a better % says it all.

I would take Brees any day over Rivers.

As for Rivers attitude the following links will show you what I mean.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/story/2008/1/9/103836/6662

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/27/bailey-criticizes-rivers-for-taunt/

Compare apples with apples. Rivers first 3 years against Brees first 3. No contest. And we are talking about now as far as I'm concerned. Rivers > Brees end of.

As for the links, pure Bronco homerism. Yes I'm a SD homer but I know the facts. Read the article in the mtn news again. It confirms what I was saying, Cutler got into it with our D and Rivers supported our D, no profanity whatsoever. Cutler is a tosser who ran from the AFC West because SD and Rivers had his number.

Champ was doing what he was supposed to, publicly support his QB.

All Donkey BS.

Your stats/points only go to show something Tallaght said. In NO it is all pass pass pass. In SD it is a little more balanced (even though believe it or not we are more of a passing team now).

Btw Craig, what's your team?. NO or Denver or somewhere else?. Just wondering.

eagle eye

Leslie91 wrote: »

Compare apples with apples. Rivers first 3 years against Brees first 3. No contest. And we are talking about now as far as I'm concerned. Rivers > Brees end of.

As for the links, pure Bronco homerism. Yes I'm a SD homer but I know the facts. Read the article in the mtn news again. It confirms what I was saying, Cutler got into it with our D and Rivers supported our D, no profanity whatsoever. Cutler is a tosser who ran from the AFC West because SD and Rivers had his number.

Champ was doing what he was supposed to, publicly support his QB.

All Donkey BS.

Your stats/points only go to show something Tallaght said. In NO it is all pass pass pass. In SD it is a little more balanced (even though believe it or not we are more of a passing team now).

Btw Craig, what's your team?. NO or Denver or somewhere else?. Just wondering.

Neither guy is proven, they both are great when things are going their way. They have to prove they can do it when games are tight.
You couldn't pick one of them over the other.
You say San Diego is more of a throwing team now, well thats not exactly true, Rivers dumps the ball off to LT and Sproles who are just ahead of him and they do their thing. So while he is getting yardage there its really the running game and all his figures are better because of it.
I'm not calling it myself, when one proves they can handle the pressure games then I'll call it but neither has to this point.

Leslie91

eagle eye wrote: »

Neither guy is proven, they both are great when things are going their way. They have to prove they can do it when games are tight.
You couldn't pick one of them over the other.
You say San Diego is more of a throwing team now, well thats not exactly true, Rivers dumps the ball off to LT and Sproles who are just ahead of him and they do their thing. So while he is getting yardage there its really the running game and all his figures are better because of it.
I'm not calling it myself, when one proves they can handle the pressure games then I'll call it but neither has to this point.

Not true I'm afraid, like I said, believe it or not, we are a pass first team now. We even had LT griping about it last year (see below). LT has been hurt the last 2/3 yrs and as a result slowly but surely the O has moved towards being more of a passing team.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/oct/23/chargers-tomlinson-need-to-run/?&zIndex=7022

eagle eye

Leslie91 wrote: »

Not true I'm afraid, like I said, believe it or not, we are a pass first team now. We even had LT griping about it last year (see below). LT has been hurt the last 2/3 yrs and as a result slowly but surely the O has moved towards being more of a passing team.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/oct/23/chargers-tomlinson-need-to-run/?&zIndex=7022

Darren Sproles had 29 receptions last year for 342 yards in the regular season and 5 tds. Thats up from 10 receptions for 31 yards the previous year
LT had 52 receptions for 426 yards and 1 td. Even Mike Tolbert had 172 yards.
Thats close to 850 yards receiving between your running backs.

Leslie91

eagle eye wrote: »

Darren Sproles had 29 receptions last year for 342 yards in the regular season and 5 tds. Thats up from 10 receptions for 31 yards the previous year
LT had 52 receptions for 426 yards and 1 td. Even Mike Tolbert had 172 yards.
Thats close to 850 yards receiving between your running backs.

Just a question not being rude/narky, And your point is?........ so we pass a bit more to Sproles, and the running backs have 850 yards receiving.

It is still all passing/receiving. Strange as it may seem that a team with one of the best RBs the league has ever seen, SD was more a pass team than run team last year.

With a healthy LT I expect to see us go back to trying to establish the run more this year. If it works then there will be even less pressure on Rivers and with teams having to play 8 in the box, watch Vincent Jackson and Gates kill teams.

Edit: OK I am officially done with this thread. I believe I have made my point.

eagle eye

Leslie91 wrote: »

Just a question not being rude/narky, And your point is?........ so we pass a bit more to Sproles, and the running backs have 850 yards receiving.

It is still all passing/receiving. Strange as it may seem that a team with one of the best RBs the league has ever seen, SD was more a pass team than run team last year.

With a healthy LT I expect to see us go back to trying to establish the run more this year. If it works then there will be even less pressure on Rivers and with teams having to play 8 in the box, watch Vincent Jackson and Gates kill teams.

Edit: OK I am officially done with this thread. I believe I have made my point.

My point is that its falsifying(is that a word? spelling?) Rivers' numbers. I'm not dishing the guy at all by saying this, I'm just saying that he has a lot more yardage and a higher completion percentage because of these dump offs.

Craig87

Leslie91 wrote: »

Compare apples with apples. Rivers first 3 years against Brees first 3. No contest. And we are talking about now as far as I'm concerned. Rivers > Brees end of.

As for the links, pure Bronco homerism. Yes I'm a SD homer but I know the facts. Read the article in the mtn news again. It confirms what I was saying, Cutler got into it with our D and Rivers supported our D, no profanity whatsoever. Cutler is a tosser who ran from the AFC West because SD and Rivers had his number.

Champ was doing what he was supposed to, publicly support his QB.

All Donkey BS.

Your stats/points only go to show something Tallaght said. In NO it is all pass pass pass. In SD it is a little more balanced (even though believe it or not we are more of a passing team now).

Btw Craig, what's your team?. NO or Denver or somewhere else?. Just wondering.

Ok look at the team Philips Rivers walked onto, compare that to the team that Brees had. They were miles apart.

Im a Dallas Cowboys fan. And before you say I'm not from Texas so the fact Brees is from Texas has nothing to do with my view. I just feel that Brees is a better QB.

All the stats actually show that over the last three years Brees has the better stats. Someone (can't remember who) said Rivers was better because of the better passer rating all them stats disprove that. Sure you hear hall of fame QBs like Aikman etc saying that they don't understand why the passer rating is even used.

Anyway I'm not saying that Rivers a a waste Im just saying that I think Brees is the better QB and he has a more humble approach to the game

Craig87

I agree that Rivers has to throw the ball and the RBs havbe to catch it. That I agree with but what I dont agree with is that SD are a passing team over running team.

Last year the Chargers passed the play 53% of the time, the ran 47% of the time. It broke down to the Chargers throwing the ball three more times a game to running the ball.

The Saints on the other hand passed the ball 61% of the time. Running only 39% of the time. Now that is a full blown pass over run team. The Saints threw the ball 15 times extra per game. Thats five times the surplus of SD passing.

SD may have passed more but overrall on the grand scheme of things they were still pretty much a balanced offense.

The Saints on the other hand are pass first, pass second, ah I guess will might as well throw a run play in now, right so back to passing kind of offense