Worlds Strongest Man to enter MMA

rovert

Not all drug tests are the same. Different countries/states & sports have different standards. Some test for performance enhancing & recreational drugs, some just test for performance enhancing drugs. Some tests are supervised by a "pecker checker" others involved someone being allowed go into a bathroom stall. The permissionable levels of certain chemicals in your system also varies greatly.

No drug test is ever perfect and I don’t know the history of drugs in power lifting like I do with MMA, Pro Wrestling and Body Building. But I would be shocked it testing is as strict as that for MMA in the States.

dunkamania

Lesnar weighs in at 120kg, that being the upper weight limit of the division. he walks into the cage at about 127.

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

At the same time I think a lot of mma fighters also juice (Kongo,Barnett,Sherk,Nog and Coleman have all been caught in the past) if you know what your doing you can plan cycles well and mask. Hell Growth Hormone can't even be detected and combined with insulin it is more powerful than anabolic steroids

Not 100% but wasnt aware of Kongo, Nog or Coleman testing positive. Can anyone else confirm. We have strict rules on steroid allegations on this forum.

Professey Chin

dunkamania wrote: »

Lesnar weighs in at 120kg, that being the upper weight limit of the division. he walks into the cage at about 127.



Not 100% but wasnt aware of Kongo, Nog or Coleman testing positive. Can anyone else confirm. We have strict rules on steroid allegations on this forum.

I genuinely never heard of any of those being associated with positive tests

RugbyFanatic

dunkamania wrote: »

Not 100% but wasnt aware of Kongo, Nog or Coleman testing positive. Can anyone else confirm. We have strict rules on steroid allegations on this forum.

Sorry mixed up nog and wanderlei there! and I can't find any sources right now but I do remember reading an article where Kongo stated his previous steroid use was unfortunate.

Fozzy

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Sorry mixed up nog and wanderlei there! and I can't find any sources right now but I do remember reading an article where Kongo stated his previous steroid use was unfortunate.

And where's the evidence of Wanderlei? :pac:

Bubs101

Lesner was a world class wrestler who moved into other arts. This dude is a world class flexer with no proffesional record in Karate or Boxing I've seen

Nothingcompares

grappling strength is a completely different animal to lifting weights strength. That's what lesnar has in combination with the ability to powerlift. This fella could do very well at the lowest level of Professional MMA but I'd be very surprised if he will beat anybody in the top 30 in the next year.

Hephaestus

Bubs101 wrote: »

This dude is a world class flexer with no proffesional record in Karate or Boxing I've seen

That's a bit harsh.
He's not a bodybuilder, he's was a world class athlete & the greatest strong man there's ever been!
Has he got the heart & skills to be a top MMA fighter? Who knows until we see him fight.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

grappling strength is a completely different animal to lifting weights strength.

Absolutely.

I'd also imagine that it would take a long time for his body to change from being conditioned for strong man comps to being conditioned for MMA?

Edit: He doesn't half look like CroCop either!


mariusz pudzianowski:


CroCop:

Nothingcompares

Nothingcompares wrote: »

grappling strength is a completely different animal to lifting weights strength.

See thats where you dont understand.

Sure he can lift weights but he trains just like lesnar does,skiping,jumping and lots of stretching.I mean for the physical stuff,not the mma.

He is an athelite not just some strongman,look at his competitors bodys and then look at his,there is a reason for that.

He doesnt train like most strongmen do and thats why he is so good.
As for explosiveness,try lifting a 200kg stone onto a platform as quick as you can,his cardio is ridiculous and explosive power is insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV4dmHHPqDo

Size=everything

I think people here seem to have this notion that because of his size he isn't flexible, mobile, quick etc. but I think Lesnar proved when he came to UFC that it is possible to have all these skills along with insane power and size if you are a freak of nature and pudzianowski is just that. Seriously you dont get a black belt in karate if you are unflexible and slow. He has boxed for years so I think its safe to assume he can take a punch and give one along with his karate experience. This isn't someone with no experience on the contray this is someone with decades of experience in combat sports no one is saying he will be a top HW but is there a chance that if he progresses and learns as quickly as Brock did could he possibly be a competent HW at the top level in a few years then I would say most definitely.

Hephaestus

Size=everything wrote: »

Seriously you dont get a black belt in karate if you are unflexible and slow.

Where's this Kyokushin black belt info come from?

His Wiki page says he's a green belt!

Size=everything

Hephaestus wrote: »

Where's this Kyokushin black belt info come from?

His Wiki page says he's a green belt!

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/pudzianowski.html

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mariusz-Pudzianowski/12583084357?v=info

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A55367869

type it into google and every source refers to him as black belt maybe his wikipedia hasn't been updated?

t-ha

I just scanned through the thread, so sorry if I took it all up wrong.

Pud in MMA will be awesome. Not sure how well he'll do against decent opposition, but this is MMA (i.e. where you stop just argueing back and forth, and just get in the cage and see who wins) and there's only one sure-fire way to find out!

I wonder if he'ld be strong enough to break someone's bones with very tight wrist control from the bottom? That would be a help against a better wrestler?

lil-evil

Size=everything wrote: »

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/pudzianowski.html

I'd say he dropped a bit of man juice writing that up ....

Roper

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Mellor

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

Hes a fourth degree black belt in karate and boxed professionally not exactly basic...

Hes a serious athlete more so than Lesnar and I could see him taking to MMA very well

Where are you getting you info from???

He wasn't a professional boxer.
He doesn't have a 4th dan black belt, nor any black belt

He was an amateur boxer youth.
He has a green belt in karate, so did I was I was 9.
(did you even read the article in the OP)

For a start he would need to condition a lot to be fight ready, he will lose some strength too as he needs to cut 10-20kg I'd say.
I would say that this guy has the strength to do well, maybe even basic fighting to build on, but speed will let him down.

Nothingcompares

Cassidy Uptight Fur wrote: »

See thats where you dont understand.

No mate. You don't understand. Grappling strength is something different to powerlifting, olympic lifting, strong man, plyometrics, crossfit, every other training paradigm. It comes from skill and experience. Lesnar is a wrestler who is a super athlete. This strongman is a super athlete. Lesnar, the wrestler has tonnes of grappling strength. The strongman has little grappling strength. This is my opinion.

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rovert wrote: »

Someone with that amount of mass on them would gass VERY early in a fight.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

We're not being condecending we are arguing our point of view from experience.

I don't think Rovert has any fight experience. Sorry if it appear's I'm picking on him, but since he was answering Rugby's post to R I just thought I'd point that out.

Of course I know your a fighter, as is Cowzer and a few other's here - but your in a minority unfortunetly & these discussion's are always ultimately stupid coming from people without any sort of fight experience (we've seen 'em all before).

At what level is this guy going to enter MMA?.

If its like Lesner & he gets a big shot at a UFC title early on it makes a mockery of what I'm thinking of as less and less of a sport and more along the lines of entertainment - pro-wrestling without the step ladders, dustbins, chainsaw's and pre-determined 'results'.

Speaking from personal experience but not in MMA, technique should beat power everytime because as Cowzer pointed out - its functional strenght over raw power.

I started Judo at around 105kgs, after a background in kickboxing from my teens through my twenties. For a short period in my late twenties I was also a competitive body builder, I'd also a hell of a lot of power.

Guess what, in my first 'randori' (sparring) was was thrown to the ground and beaten in seconds by a blind man with pure Judo technique. And this continued with all weights & grades until I gained some technique myself.

If this chap is coached by a half decent coach & gets the right breaks that power won't be wasted, but he does need to know how to apply it otherwise its fvckall use to anyone.

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rovert

Miles Nervous Eggplant wrote: »

I don't think Rovert has any fight experience. Sorry if it appear's I'm picking on him, but since he was answering Rugby's post to R I just thought I'd point that out.

Why are trying to tie too separate points together to make your point, Raze_them_all doesn’t/cant speak for me so why are you lump me in here?

Miles Nervous Eggplant wrote: »

Of course I know your a fighter, as is Cowzer and a few other's here - but your in a minority unfortunately & these discussion's are always ultimately stupid coming from people without any sort of fight experience (we've seen 'em all before).

I totally disagree on this especially in regards to what I said:

Someone with that amount of mass on them would gass VERY early in a fight.

It doesn’t take someone with fight experience to figure this out. That type of build is not conducive for success in MMA. You don’t need to have fight experience to watch fights with fighters with this frame and draw this conclusion. An understanding of conditioning is not exclusive to those with fight experience sorry mate.

Miles Nervous Eggplant wrote: »

If its like Lesner & he gets a big shot at a UFC title early on it makes a mockery of what I'm thinking of as less and less of a sport and more along the lines of entertainment - pro-wrestling without the step ladders, dustbins, chainsaw's and pre-determined 'results'..

This statement is laughable coming from someone who purports to know what he is talking about. Do you even the history of UFC & MMA or works in the fight business?

Japan will welcome him with open arms. I look forward to Minowa heel hooking him.

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

Japan will welcome him with open arms. I look forward to Minowa heel hooking him.

Ah Japan where it is still sport :P Jumpers for goal posts.

Nobody knows whether or not he would gas early on or not because nobody knows how fit aerobically or anaerobically he is. It's impossible to say.

I will say one thing, I totally disagree with the guy who started this thread, what i currently know, he won't throw Lesnar around the ring and he is not a better athlete than Lesnar.

He's an expert at one thing; lifting heavy things and that's what he is good at.

dunkamania

agreed, now lets please let this thread die, as nothing meaningful is likely to come of it.


With regards to the rule 8 from the charter

8) No unfounded allegations against fighters, particularly in regard to steroid use. If you want to accuse them make sure you have a bulletproof source or you will be banned.

There have been a number of breaches of this rule in this thread. Note the term "bulletproof source". I am inclined to give a warning this time, but bannings for future offences.

UFC:
''Who needs Emelianenko..... we'll get Pudzianowski'o''
(to the tune off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZYP2dtvSc

RugbyFanatic

*Cough*

jayteecork

Interesting, although his opponent was a newcomer to MMA too.

I'd like to see him fight a veteran "punching bag" like Phil Baroni or Keith Jardine.

(Although of course they're different divisions but someone like that in Heavyweight. Bob Sapp maybe, but Sapp is just too awful altogether.)