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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Dr Strange


    Sparks wrote: »
    Did it come with an instruction/installation manual preusse?

    No, I got it from Duffy's and it came in a carboard box (that's long gone) and just had the bolts in a ziploc bag inside the safe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    I'll have a look at mine see what I can see, no destruction manual here either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭LB6


    Probably find it on the side that's bolted to the wall - same as mine! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Typical design feature that :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Dr Strange


    No, I had a good look at it now (it's not bolted to the wall yet as I changed from an old cabinet a while ago but never came around to fix it into place until now). There is absolutely no marking anywhere, front, back, sides, top, or bottem. Not on the inside rim or under the soft furnishings. Maybe it doesn't adhere officially to the standards? Infac's are made in Spain as far as I know (EDIT: yes, here they are: http://www.infac-sl.com/ingles/index.htm Cupboards for Weapons ;) ).

    That would probably cause some of the dealers some headache if the Infac's are found to be non-conforming with the new standards. And a lot of shooters would have to change their safes. :mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Preusse beat me to it, mines not bolted yet either :o

    Emptied it all out, searched all over inside and out, top and bottom and I don't see that mark anywhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    I've emailed Infac, see what, if anything, they will know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Dr Strange


    johngalway wrote: »
    I've emailed Infac, see what, if anything, they will know.

    ;) I did, too. And Duffy's as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    Sparks wrote: »
    In section 2.3, where it says (C) at the top, meaning that if it's a new application, you must fill this bit out.
    And we've been told that these 'renewals' are to be treated as new applications.
    If I've been signed off on for seven years by a Garda Superintendent as being safe to have a firearm under 4(2)(b), what's the point of asking for a character reference?
    You've been signed off on seven years ago not continually for seven years. For all the Super knows you've taken an overdose of gamma radiation from computer screens and are no longer capable of knowing the day of the week except it's in hexadecimal.
    Asking dodgy applicants who have already had licences for years to produce character references...
    Fixed that for you ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Callow Man


    Does anyone know if the buffalo river safes meet the standards?

    I have the 5 gun bronze series with the double locks but I wont be home untill Saturday so cant check for a stamp.( no standards info on their website)


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  • Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes it does, according to the internet.

    I'll look for the link again. All Bronze and Silver safes pass the standard.

    http://www.scottcountry.co.uk/products_detail.asp?productID=2725 shows how Bronze Pass it, transitivity says that Silver should as well.
    But for those of you who don't believe in transitivity, here is a link proving it: http://www.scottcountry.co.uk/products_detail.asp?productID=2724


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Preusse wrote: »
    ;) I did, too. And Duffy's as well.

    Good stuff, I've posted questions on two British shooting forums as well, will post here if anything turns up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Mine's an American make - Buffalo River. No kitemark on it either, but it says on their website that it "matches the legislation in many Countries or States" - so that's good enough for me ;)
    Seriously though - there are two 7-lever locks on the safe and it's bolted to a concrete block wall, so I can't see the CPO wanting me to detach it to look for a BSI mark. I think the Brattonsound safes are certified. The other commonly found safe is the Infac, may not have the kitemark, but these are usually ok'd by the CPOs as suitable. I'm assuming common sense will prevail :) and the CPOs will know which safes are ok (even without the kitemark) and which ones are junk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Dr Strange


    fat-tony wrote: »
    I'm assuming common sense will prevail :) and the CPOs will know which safes are ok (even without the kitemark) and which ones are junk.

    Your word in I]put name of preferred deity here[/I ear. :(;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Hi zara, I was going to ask where you had seen the Buffalo River safes meeting the BS 7558 and I noticed when I quoted you that you had a set of links - thanks :) These links not visible in ordinary view, though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    rrpc wrote: »
    You've been signed off on seven years ago not continually for seven years. For all the Super knows you've taken an overdose of gamma radiation from computer screens and are no longer capable of knowing the day of the week except it's in hexadecimal.
    0x04, depending on your encoding scheme.

    But you're incorrect on that point - the full text of 4(1) is:
    4.—(1) An issuing person shall not grant a firearm certificate unless he or she is satisfied that the applicant complies with the conditions referred to in subsection (2) and will continue to comply with them during the currency of the certificate.
    (my emphasis, obviously).
    So the Super should have known about my gamma radiation-induced hexadecimal handicap seven years ago.
    Even before it showed up.


    What? You're not suggesting that the stupid stuff in the Act only applies to us plebs, are you? :D
    Besides, Section 5.
    If they think I'm a problem, let them come say so, not hide behind my mother-in-law's character reference...


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    fat-tony wrote: »
    I'm assuming common sense will prevail :) and the CPOs will know which safes are ok (even without the kitemark) and which ones are junk.

    You'd hope so, since a safe not made in the UK or Ireland isn't always going to be built to meet a British Standard, and even worse, even if it meets the BS standard it may not have a kitemark (it might have been certified by someone other than BSi Group, who own the kitemark trademark; or it might not have been certified at all).


  • Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Hi zara, I was going to ask where you had seen the Buffalo River safes meeting the BS 7558 and I noticed when I quoted you that you had a set of links - thanks :) These links not visible in ordinary view, though!

    I edited the post to put them in, my guess is that you saw the post before I had added them in?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    I edited the post to put them in, my guess is that you saw the post before I had added them in?
    Timing's everything isn't it:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭clivej


    I had the CPO here a few weeks back and he passed my Infac safe as OK on all accounts. And his report was sent to my FO.

    So thats good enough for me to tick the box, right or wrong.


    And here's a Kitemark for all those without one. Copy and Paste :eek::eek::eek:

    www.specialistbuildingplastics


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    clivej wrote: »
    I had the CPO here a few weeks back and he passed my Infac safe as OK on all accounts. And his report was sent to my FO.

    So thats good enough for me to tick the box, right or wrong.


    And here's a Kitemark for all those without one. Copy and Paste :eek::eek::eek:

    www.specialistbuildingplastics

    Bit of card, check.
    Stanley knife, check.
    Tipex, check.
    Divilment... :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭Mac Tire


    Hi again all....What about this GSM Back-up yoke??? I take it that an 'eircom' monitored alarm isnt what their chatting about....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭4gun


    Callow Man wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the buffalo river safes meet the standards?

    I have the 5 gun bronze series with the double locks but I wont be home untill Saturday so cant check for a stamp.( no standards info on their website)
    my local CPO inspected mine (i have the same safe) when i first took up shooting, He was very happy with it then so why would he change his mind now,
    there should be two sets of codes on the side of the safe which my local FO wanted for his files, should help you identify you safe
    My guess is that all these safes already comply with the standard since the're all imported from Britian or the U.S. where these standards are already inforce...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    A good few of my mates and I have Infac :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    A good few of my mates and I have Infac :eek:

    Well don't bother unbolting it bunny, the symbol definately isn't on the back :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭TMC121


    The Infac gun safes and its copies are sold the length and breath of the UK.
    They have to meet the BS7558 standard as required by the various police forces in the UK. Infac is a well recognized and trusted name in the safe secure storage of firearms. The CPO's that make home visits know this and pass these safes suitable as a CPO did today for a friend of mine.

    TMC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Callow Man


    johngalway wrote: »
    Bit of card, check.
    Stanley knife, check.
    Tipex, check.
    Divilment... :D

    Tut Tut....:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    johngalway wrote: »
    Well don't bother unbolting it bunny, the symbol definately isn't on the back :D

    Unbolt it, I wish I could :eek: Walls would have to come down I reckon.

    My CPO has passed it twice and was very happy when he saw it. He told me that he reckons they are one of the best safes to buy the last time he visited ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭pajero2005


    Anything about the 'references'?

    Not trying to panic anyone here, but I called the local F.O. yesterday regarding a few issues. He was very short on the phone. Before I got to pick his brains on new licence he said "when your extension runs out, its the same as having to start all over again and get your licence for the first time. New permission letters and so on"

    To me that would point towards having to put down names for references.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    Sparks wrote: »
    But you're incorrect on that point - the full text of 4(1) is:
    (my emphasis, obviously).
    4.—(1) An issuing person shall not grant a firearm certificate unless he or she is satisfied that the applicant complies with the conditions referred to in subsection (2) and will continue to comply with them during the currency of the certificate.
    Which is for exactly one year after it was issued (at most).
    So the Super should have known about my gamma radiation-induced hexadecimal handicap seven years ago.
    Even before it showed up.
    But he doesn't know if it showed up last year.
    If they think I'm a problem, let them come say so, not hide behind my mother-in-law's character reference...
    But they don't know if there's a problem. They're just asking you and a few friends if there is :)


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