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Away Goals - Is it better to play your home game first or second?

  • 07-08-2009 11:32am
    #1
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    With the recent Champions League qualifying draw i was wondering if having your home game first is a better advantage in terms of away goals as you get the extra 30 mins if the game goes into extra-time.

    What are people's thoughts on this?

    Which is more of an advantage when dealing with Away Goals rule? 43 votes

    Home Game First - force the opposition to come out and score away goal
    0%
    Home Game Second - better to have the advantage of home support in second game.
    13%
    Mitch ConnoreddieheadShoulderChipMr Maroondreamers75Gear9992 6 votes
    No Real Advantage Either Way
    86%
    PiEDont be at yourselfMossy Monkeirebhoyyom 1Kingp35Dub13evad_lhorgHolstenBrian017applehunterMr.Nice Guy[Deleted User]GLaDOSstovelidPro. FTrippieKingdomCarroller16ironictoaster 37 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,462 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Home Game Second - better to have the advantage of home support in second game.
    while the general opinion is that it is better to play the first leg away, i prefer having the second leg away. Puts all the pressure on the home side if they didn't get a goal in the first leg.

    When United drew away in Barcelona people were saying it was a good result but by god were those last 20minutes at OT horrible to endure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭Pal


    The second leg home team has more than a 50% probability to qualify for the next round


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,462 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Home Game Second - better to have the advantage of home support in second game.
    Pal wrote: »
    The second leg home team has more than a 50% probability to qualify for the next round
    i don't get that.

    If they draw the first game 0-0 away, only a win will do them in the second leg, a score draw sees them go out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭yom 1


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    I prefer to see Liverpool play the away leg first as its a case of knowing they need to go and try get a goal to bring into the second leg. Aswell as this, when the knockout stages occur so does the possibility of extra time and peno's. I think home advantage can be a big factor in deciding the outcome of fixtures in these circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    i don't get that.

    If they draw the first game 0-0 away, only a win will do them in the second leg, a score draw sees them go out.

    I always thought 0-0 draw at home in the first leg was a much under-rated result but seemingly during the champions league era the team that are home in 2nd leg go through 70 odd% of the time after 0-0 in the first.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    I've spent 15 minutes going through CL results in wikipedia.

    The numbers on the left are the winning teams that played home games 1st.
    Seedings don't affect the home/away draw until the Last 16 but by then you'd think the 2 group qualifiers will be strong enough.

    2008/2009
    Q1: 6 - 8
    Q2: 5 - 9
    Q3: 6 - 10
    L16: 3 - 5
    QF: 2 - 2
    SF: 2 - 0
    -
    Total: 24 - 34

    2007/2008
    Q1: 4 - 10
    Q2: 5 - 9
    Q3: 7 - 9
    L16: 5 - 3
    QF: 0 - 4
    SF: 0 - 2
    -
    Total: 21 - 37

    2006/2007
    Q1: 4 - 7
    Q2: 5 - 9
    Q3: 10 - 6
    L16: 2 - 6
    QF: 2 - 2
    SF: 0 - 2
    -
    Total: 23 - 32

    2005/2006
    Q1: 5 - 7
    Q2: 7 - 7
    Q3: 5 - 11
    L16: 1 - 7
    QF: 1 - 3
    SF: 1 - 1
    -
    Total: 20 - 36

    2004/2005
    Q1: 3 - 7
    Q2: 4 - 10
    Q3: 6 - 10
    L16: 3 - 5
    QF: 3 - 1
    SF: 1 - 1
    -
    Total: 20 - 34


    --
    Grand 5 year total
    108 - 173


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,462 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Home Game Second - better to have the advantage of home support in second game.
    i'm clearly wrong so :D

    Still in my head i prefer playing at home first, as long we the result is decent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭Luap


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    Imo, First leg away and second at home


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    Away leg first.

    If you get a bad result away, you can console yourself with the support/home factor for next leg.

    If you get a good away result, or goal(s), the oppo are under more pressure when they come to yours.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    I've spent 15 minutes going through CL results in wikipedia.

    The numbers on the left are the winning teams that played home games 1st.
    Seedings don't affect the home/away draw until the Last 16 but by then you'd think the 2 group qualifiers will be strong enough.

    2008/2009
    Q1: 6 - 8
    Q2: 5 - 9
    Q3: 6 - 10
    L16: 3 - 5
    QF: 2 - 2
    SF: 2 - 0
    -
    Total: 24 - 34

    2007/2008
    Q1: 4 - 10
    Q2: 5 - 9
    Q3: 7 - 9
    L16: 5 - 3
    QF: 0 - 4
    SF: 0 - 2
    -
    Total: 21 - 37

    2006/2007
    Q1: 4 - 7
    Q2: 5 - 9
    Q3: 10 - 6
    L16: 2 - 6
    QF: 2 - 2
    SF: 0 - 2
    -
    Total: 23 - 32

    2005/2006
    Q1: 5 - 7
    Q2: 7 - 7
    Q3: 5 - 11
    L16: 1 - 7
    QF: 1 - 3
    SF: 1 - 1
    -
    Total: 20 - 36

    2004/2005
    Q1: 3 - 7
    Q2: 4 - 10
    Q3: 6 - 10
    L16: 3 - 5
    QF: 3 - 1
    SF: 1 - 1
    -
    Total: 20 - 34


    --
    Grand 5 year total
    108 - 173

    How many of those were won due to away goals during extra time?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭Y2J_MUFC


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    Home-game second.

    if you have a poor result, you have a chance to turn it around with your fans behind you.

    If you draw 0-0 away first, you just have to back yourself to win a game in front of your home fans.

    If you have a great result, you shouldn't get turned over at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    I feel, as a United fan, Home game 2nd.

    Go away and lose - Fans get right behind the team from the off, all or nothing.

    Go away and draw - If you dont lose in their back yard, youve got a good chance of winning in yours.

    Go away and win - You just won away, finish the job at home.

    I know it should be the case for most Liverpool fans aswell, feeling they can overturn any defecit at Anfield. Same goes for Celtic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    Yeah I would have thought that home game second is an advantage and eirebhoy's numbers seem to back it up. That looks like quite a signifcant difference.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    Anfield is a great advantage in the secong leg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    No Real Advantage Either Way
    Hyzepher wrote: »
    How many of those were won due to away goals during extra time?

    Ah now, you cant expect the man to figure that out ffs!:) That'd take ages!


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