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jonny68

VinylJunkie wrote: »

When did I mention Hardcore Breaks?

I'm expressing my opinion on Jumpstyle & Hardstyle.

do try and keep up old chap

Originally Posted by VinylJunkie View Post
Next he be trying to tell us Hardcore Breaks are all the rage in Dublin

VinylJunkie

jonny68 wrote: »

do try and keep up old chap

Yeah I never read your post properly

Come on Jonny even you can't defend Hardstyle.

jonny68

VinylJunkie wrote: »

Yeah I never read your post properly

Come on Jonny even you can't defend Hardstyle.

I'm not defending it, it's not my cup of tea, however there is a market for it particulary in Holland and Scotland so im not gonna slate it.

VinylJunkie

jonny68 wrote: »

I'm not defending it, it's not my cup of tea, however there is a market for it particulary in Holland and Scotland so im not gonna slate it.

I don't give a toss about Holland sure they all wear sunglasses indoors and Scotland wouldn't exactly be the center of dance culture.

Executive Steve

why so serious? wrote: »

Yes to all them questions actually!just because it isn't commercial it doesn't mean it's unpopular, there is a huge underground hardstyle scene fullstop. I'm not saying it is my favourite kind of music, yes I like it, i'm not big into it, I know loads who are but my point is that it is a lot more popular than you think and not just with pill filled teenagers. It is extremely popular worlwide, Qdance, Sensation Black, Thunderdome, Kiddstock.. They are all massif ****ing events!And when you say it isn't the most popular type of dance music in Ireland at the moment, that is true when you are referring to mainstream but undergound it's huge.

So where would one go to buy a hardstyle record in Ireland?

Who are the big promoters?

Where are the Irish labels?

You've got a golden opportunity to tell someone who has been balls-deep in underground Irish dance music culture for over a decade about this phenomenal upswelling of underground Irish hardstyle culture, and all I'm seeing are youtube videos of hyperactive Belgians and people talking about under 18's nights in Lucan...

VinylJunkie

VinylJunkie wrote: »

I don't give a toss about Holland sure they all wear sunglasses indoors and Scotland wouldn't exactly be the center of dance culture.

Sometimes roles are reversed but outcome remains the same.

acman

VinylJunkie wrote: »

I don't give a toss about Holland sure they all wear sunglasses indoors and Scotland wouldn't exactly be the center of dance culture.

jonny68

VinylJunkie wrote: »

I don't give a toss about Holland sure they all wear sunglasses indoors and Scotland wouldn't exactly be the center of dance culture.

They all wear sunglasses indoors no that's Milan you mean have you been to Holland?Clubs and Raves there put us to shame, Scotland as well incidentally.

jtsuited

what a valuable contribution by jonny. how the times ever let him go is a question we'll never get an answer for.

electrogrimey

jonny68 wrote: »

Many large rave promotions now include hardcore breaks on the line up and it is recognised as its own entity.

Sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't normally stand up as a reputable source in debates. I could quite easily go and edit that to say "Hardcore Breaks is a genre of music entirely invented by Johnny68, and is known only to the posters of Boards.ie".

jtsuited

electrogrimey wrote: »

Sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't normally stand up as a reputable source in debates. I could quite easily go and edit that to say "Hardcore Breaks is a genre of music entirely invented by Johnny68, and is known only to the posters of Boards.ie".

tempted. soooo tempted.

Daroxtar

jonny68 wrote: »

They all wear sunglasses indoors no that's Milan you mean have you been to Holland?Clubs and Raves there put us to shame, Scotland as well incidentally.

I have to completely agree with Johnny on that one. I've lived in Holland and the clubs there sh!te on ours from a height. We've got one proper club in the whole country, Kelly's, and its not even in the republic. What's Irelands biggest ever selling dance track? Maniac 2000!! Dutch clubbing>Irish clubbing by a mile.

VinylJunkie

Daroxtar wrote: »

I have to completely agree with Johnny on that one. I've lived in Holland and the clubs there sh!te on ours from a height. We've got one proper club in the whole country, Kelly's, and its not even in the republic. What's Irelands biggest ever selling dance track? Maniac 2000!! Dutch clubbing>Irish clubbing by a mile.

Ok answer me this because you are swaying off the point.

What music is played in the big clubs in Holland? oh and Scotland?

Executive Steve

electrogrimey wrote: »

Sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't normally stand up as a reputable source in debates. I could quite easily go and edit that to say "Hardcore Breaks is a genre of music entirely invented by Johnny68, and is known only to the posters of Boards.ie".

In fairness to johnny, I've definitely heard of hardcore breaks, and there is a bit of a scene about it.

A mate of mine releases new school jungle techno and the sort heads who put that out have a small overlap with some of the heads and labels from the hardcore breaks scene...

I do know that the hardcore breaks scene is partially made up of ex happy hardcore heads, many of whom regretted splitting the rave scene back in 94, and i know one oldschool legend from back in teh day who has had extremely cheesy remixes done (without his permission) of his old tunes in a modern "hardcore breaks" way for some ministry of sound compilation...

Executive Steve

Daroxtar wrote: »

I have to completely agree with Johnny on that one. I've lived in Holland and the clubs there sh!te on ours from a height. We've got one proper club in the whole country, Kelly's, and its not even in the republic. What's Irelands biggest ever selling dance track? Maniac 2000!! Dutch clubbing>Irish clubbing by a mile.

There's many better clubs than Kelly's in Ireland tbh, but that's hardly the point.

Holland has four times our population in an area a third of the size of our country - of COURSE they have better clubs than we do.

As for the biggest ever selling dance track being maniac 2000, believe you me some of the stuff that got into the dance charts when i was growing up over there is miles worse.

Besides - they like hardstyle and trance in Holland, in a big way, so i reckon we have the better end of the bargain here TBH.

Daroxtar

Same type of music they play anywhere else, depends on the night and the club. Depends on the city too. You'll hear a lot more harder edged music in Rotterdam than Amsterdam. Rotterdam has some incredible clubs like Nighttown or NowandWow. Amsterdam has Escape and the Hague has Paard. All of these clubs play different styles on different nights.

electrogrimey

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

In fairness to johnny, I've definitely heard of hardcore breaks, and there is a bit of a scene about it.

A mate of mine releases new school jungle techno and the sort heads who put that out have a small overlap with some of the heads and labels from the hardcore breaks scene...

I do know that the hardcore breaks scene is partially made up of ex happy hardcore heads, many of whom regretted splitting the rave scene back in 94, and i know one oldschool legend from back in teh day who has had extremely cheesy remixes done (without his permission) of his old tunes in a modern "hardcore breaks" way for some ministry of sound compilation...

Ah yeah I'm not disputing the fact that it exists, just protesting against the use of wikipedia to back up an argument

acman

electrogrimey wrote: »

Ah yeah I'm not disputing the fact that it exists, just protesting against the use of wikipedia to back up an argument

jonny68

electrogrimey wrote: »

Sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't normally stand up as a reputable source in debates. I could quite easily go and edit that to say "Hardcore Breaks is a genre of music entirely invented by Johnny68, and is known only to the posters of Boards.ie".

fcuks sake man your post is nothing short of ridiculous ,very ridiculous in fact:rolleyes:

did i invent all of this too :rolleyes:
http://www.imorecords.com/Products/hardcorebreaksnurave/full-catalogue/0/
http://www.hardcorelives.co.uk/ring/?ring=1
http://www.nu-rave.com/
http://www.backtotheoldskool.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=768d725a99d2a10576fdbc14f39dccd6

jonny68

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

In fairness to johnny, I've definitely heard of hardcore breaks, and there is a bit of a scene about it.

A mate of mine releases new school jungle techno and the sort heads who put that out have a small overlap with some of the heads and labels from the hardcore breaks scene...

I do know that the hardcore breaks scene is partially made up of ex happy hardcore heads, many of whom regretted splitting the rave scene back in 94, and i know one oldschool legend from back in teh day who has had extremely cheesy remixes done (without his permission) of his old tunes in a modern "hardcore breaks" way for some ministry of sound compilation...

Pretty much on the ball here except the HCB scene is primarily made up of people from the original Rave/Hardcore scene and not happy hardcore,although there are some lads in their early 20's who have release some tunage.

electrogrimey

jonny68 wrote: »

fcuks sake man your post is nothing short of ridiculous ,very ridiculous in fact:rolleyes:

did i invent all of this too :rolleyes:
http://www.imorecords.com/Products/hardcorebreaksnurave/full-catalogue/0/
http://www.hardcorelives.co.uk/ring/?ring=1
http://www.nu-rave.com/
http://www.backtotheoldskool.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=768d725a99d2a10576fdbc14f39dccd6

Nothing whatsoever in my post is ridiculous...All it would take for me to do exactly as I said in my post would be to click the [edit] button on the bottom right...I also say nothing about Hardcore Breaks not existing, I'm just refuting Wikipedia as a way to back up an argument. Go and quote from Wikipedia in a college essay and see what happens.

jonny68

electrogrimey wrote: »

Nothing whatsoever in my post is ridiculous...All it would take for me to do exactly as I said in my post would be to click the [edit] button on the bottom right...I also say nothing about Hardcore Breaks not existing, I'm just refuting Wikipedia as a way to back up an argument. Go and quote from Wikipedia in a college essay and see what happens.

If you really think im going to go to the trouble of actually creating a musical genre that doesn't exist so i can post it in this forum then that is warped, im not suggesting wikipedia is the bastion of truth but more often than not it's on the ball.

Scubadevils

9 pages on hardstyle music! I bet lots here secretly shuffle around their bedrooms with hardstyle bangin away on the stereo... :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Je3vlkVNxg

jonny68

Perhaps this will put an end to idiots saying there is no HCB scene now (or that it doesn't exist) it's amazing how people can comment about a scene they know absolutely jack sh*t about, the act of the matter is HCB exists and that's all there is to it.

electrogrimey

jonny68 wrote: »

Perhaps this will put an end to idiots saying there is no HCB scene now (or that it doesn't exist) it's amazing how people can comment about a scene they know absolutely jack sh*t about, the act of the matter is HCB exists and that's all there is to it.

Cheers for the sly dig there. I never once said the scene never existed...I was just pointing out that it's common knowledge that you can't use wikipedia to back up an argument...

jonny68

electrogrimey wrote: »

Cheers for the sly dig there. I never once said the scene never existed...I was just pointing out that it's common knowledge that you can't use wikipedia to back up an argument...

you could've just googled it yourself and seen it and we wouldn't have had this;) anyway enough yiz can go back to arguing about Hardstyle:D

SIX PACK

Love all Hardstyle Hard trance music ie Alex Kidd Yoji Boheminika to Name but a few. ****ing love it.... bring on Planet Love Again Lol

jtsuited

jonny68 wrote: »

Perhaps this will put an end to idiots saying there is no HCB scene now (or that it doesn't exist) it's amazing how people can comment about a scene they know absolutely jack sh*t about, the act of the matter is HCB exists and that's all there is to it.

acman

jonny68 wrote: »

fcuks sake man your post is nothing short of ridiculous ,very ridiculous in fact:rolleyes:

did i invent all of this too :rolleyes:
http://www.imorecords.com/Products/hardcorebreaksnurave/full-catalogue/0/
http://www.hardcorelives.co.uk/ring/?ring=1
http://www.nu-rave.com/
http://www.backtotheoldskool.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=768d725a99d2a10576fdbc14f39dccd6

All those websites look like the were made on geocities...by the same person.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Speaking of hardstyle, Rotterdam Terror Corps have to be one of the worst things about electronic music (of any form). Topless dancers on stage, fireworks etc.... I know the dutch can be cheesy, but for **** sake!! Worst is, its the likes of RTC who are hugely popular in the Netherlands. Hardstyle is mainstream in that country, which is quite unusual really.

Executive Steve

jonny68 wrote: »

Pretty much on the ball here except the HCB scene is primarily made up of people from the original Rave/Hardcore scene and not happy hardcore,although there are some lads in their early 20's who have release some tunage.

Most of the Happy Hardcore old guard are from the original rave scene Johnny, they just split in the wrong direction when it all went pearshaped...

Slipmatt plays an animal old Jungle set if you book him to do that, but when the scene split he chose the path of four four kickdrums and helium vocals, loads of those boys did likewise, and many of them are the ones making HCB now...

Executive Steve

Rotterdam Terrorcorps aren't really hardstyle though, they're just the cheesy commercial end of Gabber (these days)

Executive Steve

Allan Cool Lemonade wrote: »

****mat is just all over the ****in place... His latest album 'One Foot In The Rave' isnt exactly helium vocaled happy ****, its quite a decent album in my opinion

Slipmatt - not ****matt

g5fd6ow0hseima

only noticed that there....

jonny68

jtsuited wrote: »

Jsuited pictured making some minimal :D

jonny68

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

Most of the Happy Hardcore old guard are from the original rave scene Johnny, they just split in the wrong direction when it all went pearshaped...

Slipmatt plays an animal old Jungle set if you book him to do that, but when the scene split he chose the path of four four kickdrums and helium vocals, loads of those boys did likewise, and many of them are the ones making HCB now...

I liked both although i could no longer stand Haooy Hardcore after 1994 but Jungle Raves for the most part were horrible places to go with fights and shootings, ok if your into that type of thing but you can hardly blame the original Hardcore crew for choosing Happy Hardcore.

Executive Steve

jonny68 wrote: »

I liked both although i could no longer stand Haooy Hardcore after 1994 but Jungle Raves for the most part were horrible places to go with fights and shootings, ok if your into that type of thing but you can hardly blame the original Hardcore crew for choosing Happy Hardcore.

This is very true, of course... I wasn't out raving in 93 / 94, certainly not in London, but I'm pretty sure the fights and shootings in Ireland weren't happening at the Jungle nights here - they were all going on at the likes of Sides and the Asylum where jungle never really got a look in!

As for "the original hardcore crew" as far as I'm concerned 4 Hero, Danny Breaks, A Sides, Randall, Fabio, Bukem, Hype, SS, Ratty and Tango and all the rest definitely jumped the right way musically...

I'll give you one thing though, Happy Hardcore was sweet for about a year, when they still had chopped up breakbeats rolling on top of four to the floor kickdrums - Hixxy and Sharkey "Toytown" is a classic that's up there with the best of any other genre; it's just that evolutionarily it was a complete musical dead end... If dance music is a body then happy hardcore was it's appendix.

Executive Steve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noRQeMvuyw

I don't care what the Techno snobs say, that's ****ing fantastic

Those melodies would rot the teeth clean out of your head!

Some bad-ass breakbeats in there too...

AdamTheDub

I don't see what the big malarky is...
Like the type of music you listen to is down to you
I like hardstyle, its one of my favourite genres next to uplifting and hard trance, I'd listen to it nearly everyday. Some people listen to clubland everyday, some D'n'B, some trad ceol for all I know xD

I'm probably the only person here who'd kill for a HHZ gig in Ireland though :rolleyes: lolz

Nation 98

Well when I was in Hersonissos, Crete during the summer the best clubs there were Hardstyle/Gabber clubs. Admittedly they were Dutch but they were fantastic.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Nation 98 wrote: »

Well when I was in Hersonissos, Crete during the summer the best clubs there were Hardstyle/Gabber clubs. Admittedly they were Dutch but they were fantastic.

A club full of big, loud Dutch lads. Sounds unreal.

richie1239

Hahaha, just rediscovered this post I made two years ago.
Some of the pointless arguments people have on these forums are hilarious.
Anyway my music style has changed alot since then, still into hardstyle, not as much as previously, but recently been getting into progressive, dnb and a load of dubstep.

Rhand

richie1239 wrote: »

Hahaha, just rediscovered this post I made two years ago.
Some of the pointless arguments people have on these forums are hilarious.
Anyway my music style has changed alot since then, still into hardstyle, not as much as previously, but recently been getting into progressive, dnb and a load of dubstep.

+1

Love Hardstyle too, no better music to run upon in the gym

Favourite liveset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ZKQIHlLkY
Into this tune atm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3egmgVG5aFA

HoggyRS

Executive Steve wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3noRQeMvuyw

I don't care what the Techno snobs say, that's ****ing fantastic

Those melodies would rot the teeth clean out of your head!

Some bad-ass breakbeats in there too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VP61Heg8KQ

Ciannor

Rhand wrote: »

+1

Love Hardstyle too, no better music to run upon in the gym

Favourite liveset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ZKQIHlLkY
Into this tune atm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3egmgVG5aFA

Noisecontrollers always great livesets idd,

My all time favourite would be Inqontrol Frontliner

http://lsdb.nl/set/45838/frontliner-in-qontrol-2010-saveexitplanet-18-04-10.html

Andrewf20

I had a big soft spot for some of the early newstyle Thunderdome stuff from 1998-2001. Stuff before and after was all to samey tho I thought.