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'Tyrone village driven mad by British army helicopters'

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    #92
    IIMII
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Well based on the fact that they are pumping huge sums of money into NI, I kinda think it gives them some right to train wherever they like,within reason of course.
    Money. And for centuries, lead too


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    #93
    FlutterinBantam
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    Well it is their territory, if there was civil unrest in the RoI I'm sure the forces of the state would be marshalled to protect it's citizens.

    I'm sure they would be tasked to quell any violence and if that needed a slug or two around the earhole, well that's what they would have to do, I guess.


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    #94
    gurramok
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    It would be a nuisance, yes, but I don't think I'd be huddling terrified in the corner.

    I also wouldn't expect the British government to do anything about it.

    You are not aged between two and eight are you? :eek: :D (see original article)

    They do not operate helicopters where you and I are. They own the helicopters engaged in this cruel behaviour to young children.


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    #95
    prinz
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Yes they are. Did you not read the article about frightened huddled kids during the night due to the helicopters?.

    :pac: ffs. Any kids I know would be trying to hang out the window to get a good look at what's going on.
    IIMII wrote: »
    I'd say they would be happy to have as little to do with you as possible too.

    No problems from me.
    ardmacha wrote: »
    These debates always come back to what the "legal" powers can do, without reference to morality. Some of the people on this board would have been perfectly happy with the activities in Hitler's Germany on the basis that they legal government had authorised them. Discussion on a politics forum has to concern itself whether something is appropriate or right as well as legal.

    Hmmm is it moral and appropriate that a UK helicopter crew should train over UK territory in a rural area, operating out of an aerodrome that has been there for decades... yes IMO it is. It's not as if they just built a brand new helipad on someone's driveway.


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    #96
    prinz
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    gurramok wrote: »
    They own the helicopters engaged in this cruel behaviour to young children.


    :pac: Are they going to start warning kids up there now to check under the bed for the bogeyman and helicopters :pac: cruel behaviour to young children :pac: notice again most of the complainers at the beginning of this thread mentioned it would be perfectly acceptable to do this over a loyalist area... in fact that would be "justice" and "they deserve it" IIRC. Would you be still as interested in the frightened young children then? Maybe you should contact the RSPCC.


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    #97
    gurramok
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    prinz wrote: »
    :pac: ffs. Any kids I know would be trying to hang out the window to get a good look at what's going on.

    I would not advise that, its wreckless endangerment of the kids.

    Kids carry toy guns and can be shot at in one of those 'accidental' British Army shootings you hear about.


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    #98
    FlutterinBantam
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    gurramok wrote: »
    I would not advise that, its wreckless endangerment of the kids.

    Kids carry toy guns and can be shot at in one of those 'accidental' British Army shootings you hear about.


    Reckless even.

    I haven't heard of any kids carrying toy guns being shot in NI?

    Any further info?


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    #99
    gurramok
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    prinz wrote: »
    :pac: Are they going to start warning kids up there now to check under the bed for the bogeyman and helicopters :pac: cruel behaviour to young children :pac: notice again most of the complainers at the beginning of this thread mentioned it would be perfectly acceptable to do this over a loyalist area... in fact that would be "justice" and "they deserve it" IIRC. Would you be still as interested in the frightened young children then? Maybe you should contact the RSPCC.

    It is indeed strange how we never hear of military helicopters hovering over a loyalist household, why is that?

    Yes, perhaps the RSPCC should be contacted for this. Frightening children especially at night is cruel, you agree?
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Reckless even.

    Spelling police?
    I haven't heard of any kids carrying toy guns being shot in NI?

    Any further info?

    Nope, nearly happened a few times on a street level over the years. One just does not point a toy gun at a helicopter, try telling that to a child.


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    #100
    FlutterinBantam
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It is indeed strange how we never hear of military helicopters hovering over a loyalist household, why is that?

    Yes, perhaps the RSPCC should be contacted for this. Frightening children especially at night is cruel, you agree?



    Spelling police?



    Nope, nearly happened a few times on a street level over the years. One just does not point a toy gun at a helicopter, try telling that to a child.


    Nearly!! How do you know? Was it yourself that was involved?


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    #101
    gurramok
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Nearly!! How do you know? Was it yourself that was involved?

    No. My knowledge was from following the conflict over the years. You have the same deep in depth knowledge of the NI conflict?


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    #102
    prinz
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    gurramok wrote: »
    It is indeed strange how we never hear of military helicopters hovering over a loyalist household, why is that?

    Probably because they couldn't give a toss and get on with life, it doesn't make quite the same headlines does it. Like the helicopter crews give a crap about who is in the houses they're flying over. :rolleyes: However if such an incident did occur the same worried citizens who felt compelled to make a boards.ie issue of this would no doubt start a thread about how a loyalist family deserves it, funny how their kids can be "cruelly frightened" and that's ok.


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    #103
    gurramok
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    prinz wrote: »
    Probably because they couldn't give a toss and get on with life, it doesn't make quite the same headlines does it. Like the helicopter crews give a crap about who is in the houses they're flying over. :rolleyes: However if such an incident did occur the same worried citizens who felt compelled to make a boards.ie issue of this would no doubt start a thread about how a loyalist family deserves it, funny how their kids can be "cruelly frightened" and that's ok.

    Perhaps, those stationary helicopters do not fly over loyalist areas at 1am waking up the locals for a long time, you never thought of that.


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    #104
    Manic Moran
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    Did you not read the article about frightened huddled kids during the night due to the helicopters?

    It must be said, I've never seen any kid who was afraid of a helicopter.

    NTM


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    #105
    Fratton Fred
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    ****ing hell, an RAF helicoptor flies over a farm and it now turned into an invasion of an entire village in tyrone with kids being shot on the streets.

    My mention of mole hills appears to have been appropriate!


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    #106
    DoireNod
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    prinz wrote: »
    In case you hadn't noticed the SDLP's share of the vote in NI has more or less collapsed.
    Irrelevant. They still represent a large portion of Irish people in the North.
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Spot on Prinz, nothing to do with this state.

    people are quite capable of accepting the advantages of the UK health system but don't want what goes with it.

    I would tell these people to whinge on Boards.uk

    Nothing to do with us.
    Irish people (or any other nationality) in the North do have something to do with the Republic. So you're wrong. You think they have nothing to do with you.

    By the way, it's '.co.uk'
    prinz wrote: »
    :pac: ffs. Any kids I know would be trying to hang out the window to get a good look at what's going on.
    So now it's the kids fault for being afraid?


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    #107
    FlutterinBantam
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    DoireNod wrote: »
    Irrelevant. They still represent a large portion of Irish people in the North.


    Irish people (or any other nationality) in the North do have something to do with the Republic. So you're wrong. You think they have nothing to do with you.

    By the way, it's '.co.uk'


    So now it's the kids fault for being afraid?


    What the BA does in NI has nothing to do with the RoI.

    What will we be railing about next, Colombian Army manouvres in FARC controlled territories.


    Nothing to do with us sir.


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    #108
    prinz
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    DoireNod wrote: »
    Irrelevant. They still represent a large portion of Irish people in the North.

    They represent the people who vote for them.... which apparently is not that many these days. Parties I don't vote for do not represent my interests.
    DoireNod wrote: »
    So now it's the kids fault for being afraid?

    :confused: Do I think these kids are being continually and "cruelly frightened" by a helicopter flying overhead....... no I don't.


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    #109
    gurramok
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    It must be said, I've never seen any kid who was afraid of a helicopter.

    NTM

    So you do not see the horror on the faces of the little children at the thunderous noise above in the middle of the night?

    Children for your information are vulnerable little human beings.
    flutter wrote:
    What the BA does in NI has nothing to do with the RoI.

    What will we be railing about next, Colombian Army manouvres in FARC controlled territories.

    Nothing to do with us sir.

    I do not remember hundreds of thousands of Irish citizens in Colombia being terrorised by the Colombian Army? Enlighten me.


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    #110
    FlutterinBantam
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    gurramok wrote: »



    I do not remember hundreds of thousands of Irish citizens in Colombia being terrorised by the Colombian Army? Enlighten me.


    Neither do I strangely enough.

    Never heard of it anywhere to be honest.

    I did hear the people of the area around Valley AFB in Wales were a bit annoyed about the level of militery training, but terrorised, never heard about that.

    Maybe they equate a bit of noise with being terrorised, I don't really know to be honest.

    It's a possibility i suppose.


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    #111
    gurramok
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Neither do I strangely enough.

    Never heard of it anywhere to be honest.

    I did hear the people of the area around Valley AFB in Wales were a bit annoyed about the level of militery training, but terrorised, never heard about that.

    Maybe they equate a bit of noise with being terrorised, I don't really know to be honest.

    It's a possibility i suppose.

    Terror comes in many forms, including an army on the streets battering unarmed people as well as shooting them.

    That has happened in NI and it is downright insensitive of the British Army to do what they are doing to the people of Ardboe.


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    #112
    FlutterinBantam
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Terror comes in many forms, including an army on the streets battering unarmed people as well as shooting them.

    That has happened in NI and it is downright insensitive of the British Army to do what they are doing to the people of Ardboe.


    That is the fallout from guerilla warfare friend, everyone is your enemy.

    Plenty of squaddies are cold in the clay from the assassins rifle and the booby trap bomb.

    You gotta look at things from both sides;)


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    #113
    gurramok
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    That is the fallout from guerilla warfare friend, everyone is your enemy.

    Plenty of squaddies are cold in the clay from the assassins rifle and the booby trap bomb.

    You gotta look at things from both sides;)

    And lots of innocent unarmed civilians in the clay from the hands of the British Army hence the justified fear of the inhabitants at a British military helicopter hovering over their houses late at night frightening young kids especially.


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    #114
    Manic Moran
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    So you do not see the horror on the faces of the little children at the thunderous noise above in the middle of the night?

    No. It's dark.
    Children for your information are vulnerable little human beings

    This may be hard to believe, but I'm told I was one once. I don't recall feeling particularly vulnerable to helicopters.

    NTM


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    #115
    FlutterinBantam
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    gurramok wrote: »
    And lots of innocent unarmed civilians in the clay from the hands of the British Army hence the justified fear of the inhabitants at a British military helicopter hovering over their houses late at night frightening young kids especially.

    Indeed that's true too, but it's the fallout from guerilla warfare, the innocent suffer.

    May I suggest you read "Low Intensity Operations" by major General Sir Frank Kitson for some insight of how the counter terrorism campaign is conducted.

    Excellent tome.


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    #116
    gurramok
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    No. It's dark.

    This may be hard to believe, but I'm told I was one once. I don't recall feeling particularly vulnerable to helicopters.

    NTM

    You were a brave child in the dark with no vulnerability to thunderous noise over your bedroom.
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Indeed that's true too, but it's the fallout from guerilla warfare, the innocent suffer.

    May I suggest you read "Low Intensity Operations" by major General Sir Frank Kitson for some insight of how the counter terrorism campaign is conducted.

    Excellent tome.

    Yeh, great insight alright. Killing kids was part of it.
    http://www.crossexaminer.co.uk/archives/2028


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    #117
    dvpower
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    Is this thread for real?

    Are we to seriously expect the Irish Government to intervene to try and stop the British Army from carrying out exercises in NI because some kids are scared of the helicopters?

    Is it just me or does anyone else find the last few pages of posts as bordering on the bizarre?


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    #118
    ardmacha
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    This is anti social behaviour, young violent men with short haircuts from outside the area who like to make a lot of noise annoying decent families. Not the end of the world, but it should be prevented as far as possible.


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    #119
    FlutterinBantam
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    gurramok wrote: »
    You were a brave child in the dark with no vulnerability to thunderous noise over your bedroom.



    Yeh, great insight alright. Killing kids was part of it.
    http://www.crossexaminer.co.uk/archives/2028


    Yes terrible, but that is what happens when guerillas hide in the general population.It's the same story in Gaza, guerillas embedding themselves in the general population and then washing their hands of any responsibility when innocents are killed.

    Doesn't wash with most right thinking people.

    XMG is a very good example .Any squaddie would have the weapon on rady if he didn't want to go home in an body bag.

    Terrible stuff indeed.


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    #120
    gurramok
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Yes terrible, but that is what happens when guerillas hide in the general population.It's the same story in Gaza, guerillas embedding themselves in the general population and then washing their hands of any responsibility when innocents are killed.

    Doesn't wash with most right thinking people.

    XMG is a very good example .Any squaddie would have the weapon on rady if he didn't want to go home in an body bag.

    Terrible stuff indeed.

    Which is why the local population are rightfully scared of anything British military related based in their neighbourhood as after all hardly a single soldier was prosecuted for those killings of their innocents.

    Hopefully now, you understand why there is apprehension at the helicopter hovering over an innocent family at night.


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    #121
    dvpower
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Hopefully now, you understand why there is apprehension at the helicopter hovering over an innocent family at night.

    What exactly do they think the helicopters are going to do to them?


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