Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2009-2011

deisedude

Deise Tom wrote: »

The future is very bright for Waterford hurling, but not under Davy Fitz. We have to get a proper coach in, someone that can see a switch when it has to be made and someone who is not learning as davy tells us he is doing all the time. Maye he should have learned the ropes before taking the job in the first place.

All well and good but who is there out there thats better and available? I'm struggling to come up with alternatives

Deise Tom

deisedude wrote: »

All well and good but who is there out there thats better and available? I'm struggling to come up with alternatives

I would say Nickey Cashin would take the job.

deisedude

Deise Tom wrote: »

I would say Nickey Cashin would take the job.

Cashin is a name that pops up alright. I'm not sure how he would do to be honest. Maybe he might be better on the line but would the team be as fit, prepared as under Davy? I suppose its all moot, we will never know unless he actually gets the job

dungeon

The future should be pretty bright after the great game you gave Kilkenny this year!

suitcasepink

I don't know what to think.. Despite what some people say I don't think we've gotten worse this year. Question is how much better did we get.

I watched for the first time the other day Davys halftime pep talk... I really don't see how this of benefit to anyone, these scare tactics are not what we need. I think our motivation was powerful this year for almost every game, and alot of that is probs down to davy.

I think anyone who will try out the young fellas and ease them into inter county standard. Not to throw in 15 inexperienced players. They need to learn skill not just fitness. They need to discipline Eoin kelly... Most of all please be to the lord our father let them not be from Waterford!!!! Or we will never hear the end of whinging and whining from different people!

soccymonster

deise_girl wrote: »

I don't know what to think.. Despite what some people say I don't think we've gotten worse this year. Question is how much better did we get.

I watched for the first time the other day Davys halftime pep talk... I really don't see how this of benefit to anyone, these scare tactics are not what we need. I think our motivation was powerful this year for almost every game, and alot of that is probs down to davy.

I know a couple of guys and girls from the bridge and minor teams that he trains.
They say the pep talks scare the living siht outta them but it really gets them motivated for the next 35 minutes.
They must be working somebit....

Deise Tom

soccymonster wrote: »

I know a couple of guys and girls from the bridge and minor teams that he trains.
They say the pep talks scare the living siht outta them but it really gets them motivated for the next 35 minutes.
They must be working somebit....

Dont know about getting players motivated. I saw the thing on YOUTUBe that was filmed in the dressing rooms in Fraher Field i would say, and would think all davy did was make a prick out of himself.

suitcasepink

I saw the LIT speech. I laughed a little though coz your man with the phone every few mins had to cover it, but I think Davy saw at the time what was happening.

I remember my dad told me a great story that was being passed around. I think it was loughnane when he had Clare and the speach was all scare tactics and banging the hurley here and there but in the middle of it when he brought the hurley back behind him to give a bigger bang it caught the light and place was in darkness!! Aperantly the guy that told it said all you could do was laugh!!
Reminds me a bit of Davy

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

I saw the LIT speech. I laughed a little though coz your man with the phone every few mins had to cover it, but I think Davy saw at the time what was happening.

I remember my dad told me a great story that was being passed around. I think it was loughnane when he had Clare and the speach was all scare tactics and banging the hurley here and there but in the middle of it when he brought the hurley back behind him to give a bigger bang it caught the light and place was in darkness!! Aperantly the guy that told it said all you could do was laugh!!
Reminds me a bit of Davy

Was the LIT one recorded in Fraher Field. The lay out of the dressing room is just like the ones in Dungarvan.

suitcasepink

I couldnt tell you. You'd know if it were the LIT team or not though coz the whole speach was geared towards getting the ball to Canning!

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

I couldnt tell you. You'd know if it were the LIT team or not though coz the whole speach was geared towards getting the ball to Canning!

The only thing i can remember is F..F...F....F... I think i counted twenty something the other evening.

looder

Daysha wrote: »

Decided to create this thread as an extension of the AI semi match discussion as that's slowly turning this direction anyway.

Suppose the main questions to be asked over the coming months are...

• Is Davy Fitz the right man to lead us? And if not (or he decides to pack it in), who should we replace him with?
  
• If Davy does stays on, what changes in his approach to the game should he make next year? Similarly, if a new man comes in, should he make wholesale changes to our panel and focus on the younger players, or are only minimal switches required to deliver an All-Ireland?
  
• Could or should any of the current panel retire, and which players from the starting 15 should be dropped to make way for the youngsters coming through?
  
• Which of the minors/U21s do you expect to make a big impact next year?
  
• How would you like to see us line up for the start of the 2010 campaign, and how well do you see us doing?

I'll post my own thoughts later on, just like to see what the general opinion is on these matters first.

From an outsiders viewpoint, Davy is not the man for the job. Davy is waiting to find out if Mike Mac will still be Clare manager next year before commiting to Waterford. I can't see Mike Mac been in Clare next year after their disasterious season just gone, so I think Davy will be at the helm up there next year.

I think Shane 'Shiner' Ahearne (who was over the u21's the last few years, and done a pretty good job in fairness to him) should be brought in for the next 2 years. Waterford are in transistion for the next couple of years IMO, and 'Shiner' would probably be the best man to breed the youngsters that he has had at his disposal over the past couple of years.

I wouldn't know the ins and outs of the Waterford club championship to pick out club players that could make the step up, but Waterford definitely need a few fresh faces. The also need a full back badly. An idea would be put Ken Centre back and try Brick full back. It might be worth sacraficing him for the greater good of the team (similar to JJ Delaney at full back for Kilkenny when Hickey is out injured).

Personally, I don't think this group of Waterford players will ever win an All-Ireland. With Kilkenny so strong and a young Tipp team really starting yo mature quite nicely, I think a Munster title and an All Ireland semi final apperance will be the most that can be expected.

Daysha

Regarding the Davy team talk, apparantly he hasn't been like that at all with the Waterford hurlers since he took over, not once. I remember reading an interview with Ken McGrath sometime last year and he was saying that's not representive at all of the type of talks he gives. Even before the final last year he was just giving his own calm, quiet pep talk to the lads, and at half time he was just sympathetic with the players more than anything. Certainly they haven't seen any hurleys swinging round the place or anything.

Deise Tom

looder wrote: »

From an outsiders viewpoint, Davy is not the man for the job. Davy is waiting to find out if Mike Mac will still be Clare manager next year before commiting to Waterford. I can't see Mike Mac been in Clare next year after their disasterious season just gone, so I think Davy will be at the helm up there next year.

I think Shane 'Shiner' Ahearne (who was over the u21's the last few years, and done a pretty good job in fairness to him) should be brought in for the next 2 years. Waterford are in transistion for the next couple of years IMO, and 'Shiner' would probably be the best man to breed the youngsters that he has had at his disposal over the past couple of years.

I wouldn't know the ins and outs of the Waterford club championship to pick out club players that could make the step up, but Waterford definitely need a few fresh faces. The also need a full back badly. An idea would be put Ken Centre back and try Brick full back. It might be worth sacraficing him for the greater good of the team (similar to JJ Delaney at full back for Kilkenny when Hickey is out injured).

Personally, I don't think this group of Waterford players will ever win an All-Ireland. With Kilkenny so strong and a young Tipp team really starting yo mature quite nicely, I think a Munster title and an All Ireland semi final apperance will be the most that can be expected.

I dont know would Shiner be the best man for the job and i know a few think Jim Greene would be the best man. I have my doubts about him as well. I would give the job to Nicky Cashin. He was with Justin and should have been offered the job when Justin was ousted, but i guess at the time it would have been hard to accept it as he resigned along with Justin at the time.

Deise Tom

Daysha wrote: »

Regarding the Davy team talk, apparantly he hasn't been like that at all with the Waterford hurlers since he took over, not once. I remember reading an interview with Ken McGrath sometime last year and he was saying that's not representive at all of the type of talks he gives. Even before the final last year he was just giving his own calm, quiet pep talk to the lads, and at half time he was just sympathetic with the players more than anything. Certainly they haven't seen any hurleys swinging round the place or anything.

I have by doubts about that. A few of the players that were not in the 2009 panel but were in 2008 do not have anything good to say about him or his methods anyway.

looder

Deise Tom wrote: »

I dont know would Shiner be the best man for the job and i know a few think Jim Greene would be the best man. I have my doubts about him as well. I would give the job to Nicky Cashin. He was with Justin and should have been offered the job when Justin was ousted, but i guess at the time it would have been hard to accept it as he resigned along with Justin at the time.

What about Micheal Ryan from Ballymac (or ring, I'm not 100%). He's after winning a South division in Tipp with a mediocre Mullinahone team. Reports are suggesting he's a very good skills trainer. Lots and lots of ballwork in training which Waterford lacked this year IMO as their 1st touch wasn't what it should have been against Kilkenny, although the pitch didn't help

Deise Tom

looder wrote: »

What about Micheal Ryan from Ballymac (or ring, I'm not 100%). He's after winning a South division in Tipp with a mediocre Mullinahone team. Reports are suggesting he's a very good skills trainer. Lots and lots of ballwork in training which Waterford lacked this year IMO as their 1st touch wasn't what it should have been against Kilkenny, although the pitch didn't help

Ya, hes from Ballymac. He would be a good man, but i dont think he would have the full respect of the players and maybe some of the board. He was also involved with Justin.

suitcasepink

Former Intercounty star Joe Deane is set to manage Abbeyside senior hurling team!!!

theres a headline for ya

suitcasepink

This thread also has potential

How do yee think the club games will go this weekend??
I think it will be;
Mount Sion (obviously!!)
Ballygunner... just
Tallow
Abbeyside...
Think Mount sion will definatly, and probably Tallow. Molumphy(the good one!) is gone to Chad now I think? Major loss for them.

I think the Ballygunner game and the abbeyside will be tight. But I don't think De La Salle are as good this year, but it depends. I didn't think Ballygunner would let Abbeyside back into that game

Abbeyside I think may battle but im unsure of who will win this too.
Opinions anyone?

deisedude

deise_girl wrote: »

This thread also has potential

How do yee think the club games will go this weekend??
I think it will be;
Mount Sion (obviously!!)
Ballygunner... just
Tallow
Abbeyside...
Think Mount sion will definatly, and probably Tallow. Molumphy(the god one!) is gone to Chad now I think? Major loss for them.

I think the Ballygunner game and the abbeyside will be tight. But I don't think De La Salle are as good this year, but it depends. I didn't think Ballygunner would let Abbeyside back into that game

Abbeyside I think may battle but im unsure of who will win this too.
Opinions anyone?

Mount Sion should overcome Ballyduff Lower handily enough.

I have a niggling feeling De La Salle will just shade the Gunners.

Abbeyside to beat Lismore.

Someone has said on upthedeise that Stevie will be playing for Ballyduff. This is a tough one to call, i dont know who of the Ballyduff backs will be fast enough to keep up with Tommy Ryan but feck it the heart says Ballyduff by a point;)

Daysha

deise_girl wrote: »

How do yee think the club games will go this weekend??
I think it will be;
Mount Sion (obviously!!)
Ballygunner... just
Tallow
Abbeyside...

Yep, looks good to me. Have the semi final pairings been determined yet?

suitcasepink

Could be right about Molumphy. I just assumed he wouldn't be playing when I saw the examiner thing about going to Chad.. Theres a picture of him in it and all!

I think I read somewhere open draw for the semis, but Im not 100%

Professey Chin

deise_girl wrote: »

Could be right about Molumphy. I just assumed he wouldn't be playing when I saw the examiner thing about going to Chad.. Theres a picture of him in it and all!

I think I read somewhere open draw for the semis, but Im not 100%

Think theyre not leaving till the end of the month

Deise Tom

I fancy Ballyduff Upper, Abbeyside, Mount Sion and Ballygunner to win.

suitcasepink

The bookies have it a Mount Sion, Ballygunner, Bally Duff and Abbeyside win.
Closest is the Abbeyside match 11/10 to evens.

suitcasepink

That was some double header today!!

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

That was some double header today!!

Good games alright. One in Kill was not supposed to be great.

suitcasepink

Didn't see it, heard Mount Sion won handy enough. Ballyduff had a fella sent off I think?

How long would you say Mullane will get for the punch and the pull?

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

Didn't see it, heard Mount Sion won handy enough. Ballyduff had a fella sent off I think?

How long would you say Mullane will get for the punch and the pull?

From reports i heard Ballyduff player was put off in the wrong.

Cant say about Mullane. Did not see it. Was talking notes at the time. Read on upthedeise.com that some people think he will get between 3 and 6 months. Would say 3 months would be max from what i heard of what happened.

suitcasepink

It was real stupid... after he getting the free. Think a fella was shouldering him up a bit but Mullane had like a rush of blood to the head and got carried away with himself.

Doubt he'd get the 6 months, seeing as hes a county player it looks bad for them to be gone for too long...(the 'privalges' they get:rolleyes:)


On a side note I was disapointed Ballygunner didn't push on to win it handy enough. Mullane was the big one for De la salle and seeing as ballygunner have so many players that can score, and a keeper who can save almost anything

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

It was real stupid... after he getting the free. Think a fella was shouldering him up a bit but Mullane had like a rush of blood to the head and got carried away with himself.

Doubt he'd get the 6 months, seeing as hes a county player it looks bad for them to be gone for too long...(the 'privalges' they get:rolleyes:)


On a side note I was disapointed Ballygunner didn't push on to win it handy enough. Mullane was the big one for De la salle and seeing as ballygunner have so many players that can score, and a keeper who can save almost anything

Ya, De La Salle would have won handy but for O'Keeffe in the Ballygunner goal. We are a bit spoilt for choice with goal keepers right now with Clinton Adrian and Stephen.

suitcasepink

Heard Ballyduff upper won there this evening.
Adrain Power got a good point from a free out. This isn't the first time he's done that, I think in a year or so there is going to be serious competition for goalkeeper. It's like
Clinton- The safe reliable man. He doesn't leave in a howler but the amazing saves aren't often there.

Power- Scored a few at this stage from free outs shows he should have acurate puck outs. Saves a few good ones but can leave in a howler. I'd excuse this as it could be blood rush for a 20-21(?) year old.

Stephen o' Keefe- Has saved some friggen amzing shots at club and minor county this year. In a few years he will be starting goalie no doubt. But think he needs a another year or so, only a young chap
Now anyone have a spare full abck they'd like to lend us?? lol

Deise Tom

Power was outstanding tonight. Made two or three great saves. Tom Feeney also had a great game as had Seamus Hannon while for Tallow James Murray and Thomas Ryan were there best players and Evan Sheehan was very busy after coming in at the break. Stephen moluphy saved a penalty from Thomas Ryan, with four minutes to go. Tonights game was by far the best game in the county all year. Ballyduff I suppose could claim to be involved in the best three games, Tonights v Tallow, the game v De La Salle and the opening game of the championship against Fourmilewater. They look good, but Stephen Molumphy is going to be a loss for them.

suitcasepink

How was ringo?? Think its unfair for him to be playing half forward. Or did he play there?

deisedude

deise_girl wrote: »

How was ringo?? Think its unfair for him to be playing half forward. Or did he play there?

He got a point from play and had one horrendous wide. In all a bit mixed like all the tallow forwards. He's a good hurler but he definately should be playing in the backs

Anywho on the game itself Seamus Hannon had a great game but Adrian Power had to be man of the match. He pulled off some amazing saves and looked very composed. The ref Wadding was terrible, he made some seriously bad calls. Stevie Molumphy got shouldered in the chest at onestage and he gave a free to Tallow:rolleyes:

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

How was ringo?? Think its unfair for him to be playing half forward. Or did he play there?

Ya he played there AGAIN and got on the score sheet. You are dead right in what you say. I dont know what comes over selectors at times. I dont think you can change a back into a forward just like that. I have seen it in my own club, lads that played all their underage hurling and football when they get into the adult teams are placed in the forwards and vice versa.

Deise Tom

deisedude wrote: »

He got a point from play and had one horrendous wide. In all a bit mixed like all the tallow forwards. He's a good hurler but he definately should be playing in the backs

Anywho on the game itself Seamus Hannon had a great game but Adrian Power had to be man of the match. He pulled off some amazing saves and looked very composed. The ref Wadding was terrible, he made some seriously bad calls. Stevie Molumphy got shouldered in the chest at onestage and he gave a free to Tallow:rolleyes:

I think Wadding had a good game. I was almost straight opposite where that incident happened. i think it was James Murray (correct me if i am wrong) that shouldered Molumphy in the chest and knocked him to the ground. The ref who was much closer obviously saw it as a fair challenge, but one of the Ballyduff players didnt and appeared to knock Murray (I think) to the ground. Thats why the free was given.

suitcasepink

Where did Stephen Molumph play?? He was named for full forward but did he have to run the lenght of the pitch for the penelty?

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

Where did Stephen Molumph play?? He was named for full forward but did he have to run the lenght of the pitch for the penelty?

Played in the half forwards instead of Mike who was only a sub and came on near the end. Ballyduff were awarded a penalty at the end. Adrian started to come up for he but was told from the line to stay back. Brendan Hannon took and and pointed. He did not go for a goal.

deisedude

Deise Tom wrote: »

I think Wadding had a good game. I was almost straight opposite where that incident happened. i think it was James Murray (correct me if i am wrong) that shouldered Molumphy in the chest and knocked him to the ground. The ref who was much closer obviously saw it as a fair challenge, but one of the Ballyduff players didnt and appeared to knock Murray (I think) to the ground. Thats why the free was given.

I was in front of the incident myself and it was a clear shoulder to chest. The Ballyduff players were right to be outraged, granted that didnt excuse pushing Murray. Pretty sure he booked the wrong Ballyduff player as well

Deise Tom

deisedude wrote: »

I was in front of the incident myself and it was a clear shoulder to chest. The Ballyduff players were right to be outraged, granted that didnt excuse pushing Murray. Pretty sure he booked the wrong Ballyduff player as well

Dont know who was booked but am sure the player that should have been booked had a fairly high number jersey on. Could be wrong as i was at the opposite side of the field.

deisedude

Deise Tom wrote: »

Dont know who was booked but am sure the player that should have been booked had a fairly high number jersey on. Could be wrong as i was at the opposite side of the field.

Ah sure it doesnt really matter anyway. To be honest i think Ballyduff played better after it happened anyway.

Deise Tom

deisedude wrote: »

Ah sure it doesnt really matter anyway. To be honest i think Ballyduff played better after it happened anyway.

I think Ballyduff could win the county final this year. Whats the betting on a Ballyduff and Lismore county final if they avoid each other in the draw tonight.

deisedude

Deise Tom wrote: »

I think Ballyduff could win the county final this year. Whats the betting on a Ballyduff and Lismore county final if they avoid each other in the draw tonight.

To be honest i wouldnt be surprised if any of the remaining teams win it. Its the most open championship in years. Well Ballyduff will be without Stevie from now on so its a big ask and there isnt really any strength in depth in the panel to replace him.

Daysha

Anyone else think this could finally be Lismore's year?

Deise Tom

deisedude wrote: »

To be honest i wouldnt be surprised if any of the remaining teams win it. Its the most open championship in years. Well Ballyduff will be without Stevie from now on so its a big ask and there isnt really any strength in depth in the panel to replace him.

Well one of them has to win, so dont be to remaining teams wins it.

Ballyduff played Mount Sion recently without stevie and only lost by a point. They have also started without Mike Molu,mphy in all but one game, the one against mount sion. he will be a plus for them.

suitcasepink

Nope.
They're a bunch of stylish hurlers but don't think they'd have it in them to win the thing.
Also think Ballyduff will be in trouble without Stephen Molumph.

I think it will be De La Salle, Mount Sion final. I was against De la Salle all along, after seeing them earlier this championship they looked a complete bunch of unintrested* players. But after seeing Ballygunner Im starting to come to the conclusion they're even more disintrested*.
It took pluck for De La Salle to stay in that game with 14 men, losing there main man. But I fear that it could be to big a loss for them to progress to far.
That number 2 for De La Salle, Paddy, I'd like to see him at under 21, little terrier he is! Tiniest guy on the pitch by amile I'd say but he was quick and got into the phisical side.

Hows the intermediate championship going anyone know?? heard Ardmore were doing well?

*what do you put infront of'intrested' to make it negative??

Daysha

Semi final draw:

Mount Sion v Ballgunner/De La Salle
Lismore v Ballyduff Upper

deisedude

Daysha wrote: »

Semi final draw:

Mount Sion v Ballgunner/De La Salle
Lismore v Ballyduff Upper

An East v West final then. If the Lismore v Ballyduff game are anything like last years it will be a cracker. I'd fancy Ballyduff, its a long time since Lismore beat them in the Championship knock out stages. I'd hesitantly favour Mount Sion against the winners of Ballygunner/DLS

suitcasepink

Was there actaualy a draw or did they admit they jsut didn't want it to be an all east, all west final.
I think the Mount Sion ballygunner/DLS will be the better, more skillful and phisical game. Should be a good match.

Also the other semi should be a good match but I just have a feeling that whoever wins the first match will win the final. But my predictions are often wrong.. lol
Did they confirm the the details yet? I heard they were thinking Sunday week, fraher field?