Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2009-2011

johnfarmer

I'm from Dungarvan myself and we played Ballygunner in our first championship match we got a right trimmin but after our match the Ballygunner intermediates played Clonea and I stayed to watch the majority of it. Clonea won comfortably in the end but they had a very good full back to thank for that. I'm not sure who the Clonea full back is but he was very impressive. I know he's only playing intermediate hurling and that inter-county is a massive step up but he'd surely be worth giving a trial unless he already has been given one. Does anybody know who he is?

Ian Flynn from De La Salle is another option but he'd be no better nor worse than Lawlor or Hutchison.

PTH2009

IMO i think this will be Davys Last year as manager of Waterford for a number of reasons

1. I think the travelling might get too him

2. He could feel like he done all he can with this team and cant give anymore.

3. If Clare have a bad year under Ger O Loughline (which is most likely going to happen) and he resigns than Davy would be a cert for the Clare job.

4. Also other teams might be after Davy as boss ie Limerick,Galway or Offaly.

You have to hand it to Davy came mid season in 2008 got to the All Ireland final the same year. In 2009 got to a Munster final and to an All Ireland Semi. In 2010 Won Munster and this year had a very good league campaign and another Munster final apperance. He brought in a lot of new players, he brighted up Waterford Hurling in a way.

Anyway who is going to take the reigns after Davy??. Michael Ryan, Nicky English, John Allen, Jimmy Barry Murphy, Jim Greene, Fergal Hartley

Deise Tom

PTH2009 wrote: »

IMO i think this will be Davys Last year as manager of Waterford for a number of reasons

1. I think the travelling might get too him

2. He could feel like he done all he can with this team and cant give anymore.

3. If Clare have a bad year under Ger O Loughline (which is most likely going to happen) and he resigns than Davy would be a cert for the Clare job.

4. Also other teams might be after Davy as boss ie Limerick,Galway or Offaly.

You have to hand it to Davy came mid season in 2008 got to the All Ireland final the same year. In 2009 got to a Munster final and to an All Ireland Semi. In 2010 Won Munster and this year had a very good league campaign and another Munster final apperance. He brought in a lot of new players, he brighted up Waterford Hurling in a way.

Anyway who is going to take the reigns after Davy??. Michael Ryan, Nicky English, John Allen, Jimmy Barry Murphy, Jim Greene, Fergal Hartley

Of the ones you name from inside the county, they will either not be wanted or seen maybe not to have enough experience as a manager/coach. What about Nicky Cashin.

Browney7

premierstone wrote: »

Dont know about that - Galway haven't had one since Noel Lane, Noel Hickey looks well past it to me and KK are really strugling to replace him, Eoin Cadogan is limited in my opinion, he's a spoiler at best but will get exposed, if Paul Curran was injured in the morning Tipp would be in serious trouble, its a problem for every team its such a specialised position and the profile of top intercounty FF's has changed so much you need to be able to mark Big Target men ala Joe Canning, Kevin Downes etc. but also be able to handle the speed and movement of a Lar Corbett or the guile of a Henry Shefflin.

With regards the training thing, I guess if you think about it any player that would tick all the boxes I have mentioned there would not end up playing FB because they would have always been too good at club level and underage to be 'sacrificed' at FB. The majority would end up in the half back line.

Agree with this totally. Full back is a difficult position to master and it takes years to get a good grasp of it. Intelligence and an ability to be able to read a game are vital.

On most teams the centre back will be the best player on the team so more often than not a player of this type will have the above traits. So when you say players are seldom sacrificed for FB it's spot on.

Limerick have stuck with Lucey for a long time (Not a great example I know:D) but he's grown into the role and I wouldn't ever fear for him in the position. Although he played midfield for UCD back in the day and further out field in general. I play corner back myself and theres nothing worse than when the ball is coming in at the right height and right pace with acres of space in front of the corner forward. You have two options: Get out in front every time and don't let it behind you or if you aint gettting there first, give the corner forward the yard and try and get a block in and don't let him past you.

A full back could clear nine out of ten balls and let the full forward turn him the once and he's remembered as having a sh1te game. I'm always reluctant to criticise the full back line of any team.
Hutchinson tried to get out in front and slipped. Turned out to be a costly mistake but his teammates helped him out in the end.

Mountainlad

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Look I appreciate your a big Lawlor fan and judging by your name your possibly from the same neck of the woods/club as him so I can understand you backing him. But to say that but for injuries hed be a regular at wing back for Waterford is wide of the mark. Hes had loads of chances (im not saying he wont get anymore) and tbh anytime Ive seen him he struggled for us. Last year people say he did well against Clare and the 2 games against Cork but I think he was limited. I cant recall him ever actually fielding a high ball or actually picking the ball up and making huge clearances down the field like you'd expect a top quality fullback to do. The tactic against Aisaki for the 2 games was just to pull, tear and drag at him, get in his face, however he was on the brink of a red card and eventually had to be taken off. which obviously is what he was told to do but underlines the lack of confidence that Davy & his selectors had in him to go toe to toe with his direct marker. Tactic failed against Lar Corbett in the all-Ireland semi and while no one is blaming Lawlor for that defeat he was amongst many who was out of his depth that day. I think he was taken off again that day. Your regular full back should not be one of the first fellahs to be hauled off in every game. Admittedly a lot to do with the tactics used but the big players always step up no matter what.

We had one player who played very well against Tipp, Mullane. All I can say is go back and watch the two Cork games as well, you'll be suprised. I'm not saying he's Brian Lohan or Darragh Ryan or even Paul Curran, but he's the best option we've had. Plenty of people seem to have jumped to Hutchison's defense. I'm not actually from the same club as it happens, a neighbouring club. I do know people at the club. I dunno whether Davy will play him in the Final or not. If he goes well enough in training he probably will. The one concern I'd have is his lack of competitive game time this year. I still believe, however, that he is our best option at present. Brick is too valuable where he plays.

I agree with whoever was talking about Hutchison being isolated and that Davy didn't know how to combat it. You'd hope he'll learn from it.

And to Hardybuck, sorry I probably took that a bit personally for no reason!

Deise Tom

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/deise-hurlers-get-their-way-as-club-football-games-off-158141.html

Hardly ideal preperation for the footballers who also have a qualifier coming up and i am sure the players involved could have done with a competive game ahead of their game.

STIG83

Some of the clubs around Waterford must be struggling with lack of funds, i know of one club that is having a scrap collection next weekend to raise funds.

premierstone

STIG83 wrote: »

All of the clubs around the country must be struggling with lack of funds, i know of one club that is having a scrap collection next weekend to raise funds.

FYP, tough times and it aint going to get better anytime soon

STIG83

premierstone wrote: »

FYP, tough times and it aint going to get better anytime soon

1st time i heard of clubs doing a scrap collection for money, but i suppose with the price of scrap at the moment it's an ideal time to do it.

Psychedelic

Some very in-depth analysis on the game last Sunday:
http://anmoltoir-hurling.blogspot.com/2011/06/waterford-survive-davy-fitzgeralds.html?spref=tw

carter10

STIG83 wrote: »

1st time i heard of clubs doing a scrap collection for money, but i suppose with the price of scrap at the moment it's an ideal time to do it.

Last Saturday I was at an underage football match in Tipp and I noticed as i left the Club a load of scrap inside the front gate, didnt give it much thought until I saw the above post. There was a good amount of it there too.

STIG83

carter10 wrote: »

Last Saturday I was at an underage football match in Tipp and I noticed as i left the Club a load of scrap inside the front gate, didnt give it much thought until I saw the above post. There was a good amount of it there too.

Good money in it at the moment, we got rid of a load of stuff at home on the farm, we had over 3 ton and got €80 a ton.
So the clubs would want to gather a heap of it to get something decent for it.

alllcounty

Deise Hurler wrote: »

Have played full back many a times. The position is not about fancy hurling, more about good communicating and operating as a line. By that I mean the corner backs and the full back really need to work together. If the full back goes out to tackle an incoming player the corner backs must know instinctively what to do, which should be dropping into the full back position. The full back needs to be the leader of the line but to do this he must be confident in his position. Unfortunately we have chopped and changed our full back all year and neither lawlor or hutchinson have been given the chance to settle into the position. Even before the limerick match, we were all unsure as to which of the two would be selected. At the start of the year a full back should have been selected and the league should have been used to allow that player make the position his own.

If a full back makes a mistake their should be no need to haul them off. On sunday Hutchinson wasn't doing too bad up until the goal. He was exposed for one goal and straight away he was switched. You could see straight away that his head dropped once the switch was made and it was only a matter of time before he was going to be taken off.

In my opinion, Shane Fives is the best full back we have in Waterford. I am surprised he is not already being recognised as one of our star players as a few years ago if asked to name a young player who was going to make it with our seniors, his name would have been the first I would have said. Only a year and a half ago he was named as full back on the fitzgibbon cup team of the year, but unfortunately he has been given limited game time with Waterford and when selected he is usually played at wing back.

Anyway, whoever is selected at 3 from now on needs to be given time to make the position their own or we will still be talking in ten years time about how Waterford could have won an All Ireland if Sean Cullinane was still around.

Would be good to see Shane Fives play at full back. He has done well for WIT in 2010 and would have a good understanding playing with his brother in the corner. He also did well in the league match's earlier this year at full back before he got injured. Can't see why he was positioned in the forwards in challange match's this year when he plays as a defender. Options for full back are Fives, Brick or Lawler. Opposing teams know where our week point is and with our best shot stopper sitting on the bench we are badly in need of a good full back if we are to make any inroads this year.

egpower

alllcounty wrote: »

Would be good to see Shane Fives play at full back. He has done well for WIT in 2010 and would have a good understanding playing with his brother in the corner. He also did well in the league match's earlier this year at full back before he got injured. Can't see why he was positioned in the forwards in challange match's this year when he plays as a defender. Options for full back are Fives, Brick or Lawler. Opposing teams know where our week point is and with our best shot stopper sitting on the bench we are badly in need of a good full back if we are to make any inroads this year.

I haven't seen much of him play but I wonder does he lack the sheer bllody-mindedness that Diarmuid O'Sullivan, Stephen Lucey, Paul Curran, Brian Lohan and Noel Hickey all have. They would just not let you in - at almost any cost. I still have that vision of him watching Darach Honan glide by him en route to scoring a game-changing goal in the U21 Munster Final. I know - Honan is a bit of a freak show. But wouldn't you rugby tackle him / stop him at all costs when you have to ? Take the yellow card and prevent the score ? As I say I have not seen him much so that may be unfair to him. Thoughts ?

PTH2009

The Waterford Footballers will play there All Ireland 2nd Round Football Quilfer on Sat 9th July (The day before the Munster Hurling final).

AFAIK i think Waterford should be guaranteed a home draw because in last weeks 1st round draw teams that got an away draw in 2010 were promised home draws. Waterford played Offaly away last year in Round 2 of the quilifers. Id imagine the same applys to Round 2 of the draw.

How good would a home draw to teams like Kildare, Down, Meath, Laois, Derry etc

Deise Tom

PTH2009 wrote: »

The Waterford Footballers will play there All Ireland 2nd Round Football Quilfer on Sat 9th July (The day before the Munster Hurling final).

AFAIK i think Waterford should be guaranteed a home draw because in last weeks 1st round draw teams that got an away draw in 2010 were promised home draws. Waterford played Offaly away last year in Round 2 of the quilifers. Id imagine the same applys to Round 2 of the draw.

How good would a home draw to teams like Kildare, Down, Meath, Laois, Derry etc

If they are drawn against a team that also had to play away last year i think its a toss for home advantage, or else its the first team out that has home advantage. knowing Waterford's luck it will be another away game.

Deise Tom

Poor game in Dungarvan this evening. Fourmilewater by far the better team. Jamie Barron had a very good game playing at Corner Forward.

suitcasepink

Deise Tom wrote: »

Poor game in Dungarvan this evening. Fourmilewater by far the better team. Jamie Barron had a very good game playing at Corner Forward.

Where did Liam Lawlor play?

Cake Man

Deise Tom wrote: »

Poor game in Dungarvan this evening. Fourmilewater by far the better team. Jamie Barron had a very good game playing at Corner Forward.

How did he get on? Strange that he played corner forward for Fourmilewater this evening but plays corner back for the county minors and U21's.

Hopefully none of the county players pick up injuries the weekend.

Deise Tom

deise_girl wrote: »

Where did Liam Lawlor play?

Centre back, had very little to do. It was as good i have seen Fourmilewater ever playing. Jamie Barron played corner forward, finished with 1-8. Was very impressive. Without been outstanding Shane Walsh was effective, Molumphy was poor for Ballyduff. Adrain could do very little with the goals. In fact he saved at least 2 or 3 more but tapping them over.

Deise Tom

Cake Man wrote: »

How did he get on? Strange that he played corner forward for Fourmilewater this evening but plays corner back for the county minors and U21's.

Hopefully none of the county players pick up injuries the weekend.

Most times i have seen him play its out the field. HE is a good fellow to have in any team, A bit like Luke Egan a few years back, can play as a back or as a forward.

Deise Tom

Cake Man wrote: »

Hopefully none of the county players pick up injuries the weekend.

there was reports that Shane Walsh carried an injury into the game. Still finished with 1-4.

Dont think playing for their clubs can do them any harm. Playing in a challenge game or in a training session with the county, one of the players can pick up an injury just as easy, if not more easy. just look what happened to Richie Foley last week.

Mountainlad

Went to the game as well. Maybe Lawlor hadn't an awful lot to do on his man, but he cleared a lot of ball. I'd agree that Fourmile were by far the better team. They went ten points up at one stage when they should have scored a goal. Similar situation a little bit later. Final scoreline was 2-15 to 1-10. They look a good team, could potentialy be a suprise in the championship given I think group 1 is stronger than group 2. Dunno that they'lve a chance of winning it, you'd expect either Ballygunner or De La Salle to be too good for anyone else this year.

Seamus Hannon and Stephen Molumphy were very good for Ballyduff. Shane Walsh was excellent second half. It was in midfield where it was won really.

egpower

Fair play to Dublin - now I am impressed. Beware the scalded cat!

Is that the end of McIntyre's reign unless they win the AI ? Just can't figure out Galway. There isn't a county that has consistently produced more classy minors over the last 10-15 years. I've heard it said that they are all the same type of player. I don't agree at all but that said I don't know why it is that they are not a dominant force now.

STIG83

egpower wrote: »

Fair play to Dublin - now I am impressed. Beware the scalded cat!

Is that the end of McIntyre's reign unless they win the AI ? Just can't figure out Galway. There isn't a county that has consistently produced more classy minors over the last 10-15 years. I've heard it said that they are all the same type of player. I don't agree at all but that said I don't know why it is that they are not a dominant force now.

I dont know what to make of Galway myself either, only thing i can think of is that they rely too much on Joe Canning?
Some goal he got last night!! a rocket of a shot!!

Cake Man

That's the problem though, Joe scored a great goal and a nice long range point but did very little else. His free-taking was abysmal and was a main culprit in Galway stacking up about 15 or so wides. Definitely McIntyre's last year and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in charge for Galway's next game in the qualifiers.
Galway continue to live up to their reputation-lions in the Spring, lambs in the Summer.

Cake Man

Copied this from another forum, draw for '11/'12 Harty Cup groups:

Group A- De La Salle, Ard Scoil Ris, Colaiste Criost Ri, Charleville
Group B- Colaiste na nDeise Thiar, Our Lady's Templemore, Midleton CBS, St Caimins CS,
Group C- Thurles CBS, St Flannans, St Colmans, Blackwater CS
Group D- Kerry Colleges, Nenagh CBS, Castletroy CC

Groups A, B and C all could be considered a "Group of Death", some really good games in there. DLS in a very tough group having to face this years champions Ard Scoil Ris from Limerick and beaten finalists Charleville.
Colaiste na nDeise have a tricky one too, Midleton are traditionally good as are Caimins.
Blackwater face difficult opposition in Thurles CBS and Flannans.

I think any of the Waterford colleges there would be doing well to get out of their group.

Mountainlad

Deise Tom wrote: »

Centre back, had very little to do. It was as good i have seen Fourmilewater ever playing. Jamie Barron played corner forward, finished with 1-8. Was very impressive. Without been outstanding Shane Walsh was effective, Molumphy was poor for Ballyduff. Adrain could do very little with the goals. In fact he saved at least 2 or 3 more but tapping them over.

I thought Molumphy made life difficult for the Fourmilewater backs and Power only made one save, and it was comfortable enough. He did score a free from his own twenty one. Its a serious addition having that strike added to the gale synonimous with Fraher Field.

Deise Tom

Mountainlad wrote: »

I thought Molumphy made life difficult for the Fourmilewater backs and Power only made one save, and it was comfortable enough. He did score a free from his own twenty one. Its a serious addition having that strike added to the gale synonimous with Fraher Field.

Molumphy did Ok i guess, he scored 1-1, but we did not see the same kind of play from him last night as you would in other games. When the same two sides met in Lismore was it two years ago, (the night that went 10 or 11 points up on two occasions and lost by a point or two) he was outstanding, didnt think he did half as well last night as he did that night.

STIG83

So it's a road trip to Cork for the Munster Final.

PTH2009

STIG83 wrote: »

So it's a road trip to Cork for the Munster Final.

Have heard the game will be in Thurles. The Waterford County Board have been offered money to have the final played in Thurles.

Sure its a home game to Tipp but Thurles is the spot to be for the final

Mountainlad

STIG83 wrote: »

So it's a road trip to Cork for the Munster Final.

I think Clare and Limerick could beat Galway and Wexford respectively. The one thing for Clare is that they have to travel to Galway but Limerick at home ta Wexford seems like it will only throw up one outcome.

Be interesting to see who ends up against Cork. It's looking like a quality championship, possibly the best in several years!

Fireball07

Mountainlad wrote: »

I think Clare and Limerick could beat Galway and Wexford respectively. The one thing for Clare is that they have to travel to Galway but Limerick at home ta Wexford seems like it will only throw up one outcome.

Be interesting to see who ends up against Cork. It's looking like a quality championship, possibly the best in several years!

It says venues have not been decided yet....where did you hear that?

Deise Tom

STIG83 wrote: »

So it's a road trip to Cork for the Munster Final.

Anyone surprised with this.

KevIRL

Fireball07 wrote: »

It says venues have not been decided yet....where did you hear that?

First teams out got home advantage according to the thread on AFR anyway

Deise Tom

Mountainlad wrote: »

I think Clare and Limerick could beat Galway and Wexford respectively. The one thing for Clare is that they have to travel to Galway but Limerick at home ta Wexford seems like it will only throw up one outcome.

Be interesting to see who ends up against Cork. It's looking like a quality championship, possibly the best in several years!

What odds a double header in Thurles. The G.A.A. Will be looking for a big gate if they can get one. A double header might be the best bet.

Mountainlad

Fireball07 wrote: »

It says venues have not been decided yet....where did you hear that?

First team drawn has home advantage according to TV3. They have to be confirmed but it'll be Pearse Stadium and the Gaelic Grounds.

KevIRL

STIG83 wrote: »

So it's a road trip to Cork for the Munster Final.

Deise Tom wrote: »

Anyone surprised with this.

Every Munster final should be on in Thurles imo. Perfect venue for it.

One thing for sure, we have a lot to be fearful of going into the game, no matter where its played. I'm normally an enternal optimist but Tipp are looking scary and now with 2 testing games behind them.

Fireball07

Mountainlad wrote: »

First team drawn has home advantage according to TV3. They have to be confirmed but it'll be Pearse Stadium and the Gaelic Grounds.

Fair enough...I just checked the RTE website and it didn't mention anything regarding that.

A home draw is nice, I like the Gaelic Grounds for hurling matches. It's a nice ground.

Hope we win but I'm really worried about Wexford, they could easily beat us.

Deise Tom

PRESS RELEASE
18.06.11

The GAA is pleased to announce a reduction of €5 on all adult stand prices and terrace prices for this year’s GAA Football and Hurling All-Ireland Senior Championships up to and including semi finals.

This reduction combined with the GAA Season Ticket offer and other GAA ticket packages ensures that the Association remains to the fore in terms of value for money.

This decrease will remain in place for all Central Council fixtures until the conclusion of the GAA Senior Championship semi-finals in both Hurling and Football.

“The GAA recognises the need to encourage patrons to attend our games and this price cut signals our intent to ensure our supporters continue to engage with and follow our Championship games.” Uachtarán Chumann Luthchleas Gael Criostóir Ó Cuana

Prices for the opening round of the GAA All-Ireland Qualifiers in both codes have been reduced to €15 for entry to the stand and €10 for terrace. Juveniles can enter the stand for €5 or the terrace free of charge.

Up until the semi-finals clubs can also avail of group passes for adult members which are €10 each, as well as another group offer where juveniles enter for €3 with one adult gaining free entry for every ten children.

Ticket prices for the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Finals in 2011 will be €80. The All-Ireland finals are significant national events and 80% of all revenues are directed back to our Clubs.

Currently there are five simple ways to purchase GAA tickets up to All Ireland Finals;
- At the official GAA website www.gaa.ie
- Contacting our official Ticket Office on 1890924648
- Through your own GAA Club or County Board
- Through a GAA season ticket
- Ticketmaster.ie


How generous the GAA Bosses are. Pity they did not mention in their press release that they have added €10 to the All-Ireland ticket prize.

Mountainlad

Fireball07 wrote: »

Fair enough...I just checked the RTE website and it didn't mention anything regarding that.

A home draw is nice, I like the Gaelic Grounds for hurling matches. It's a nice ground.

Hope we win but I'm really worried about Wexford, they could easily beat us.

The sideline was a bit bare today, other than that it looked decent! I think ye'll beat Wexford.

Mountainlad

KevIRL wrote: »

Every Munster final should be on in Thurles imo. Perfect venue for it.

One thing for sure, we have a lot to be fearful of going into the game, no matter where its played. I'm normally an enternal optimist but Tipp are looking scary and now with 2 testing games behind them.

The most important thing to me is a performance. I don't mind losing to a better team but if we go out and concede stupid goals like we did in 2009 or play as badly as we did last year I'd be disappointed.

STIG83

Tipp can score goals, hopefully im wrong but if Waterford are not 100% in the backs, Tipp will rip us apart, im hoping to god that wont happen though.

Teebor15

I have followed the county teams since i was wee lad..going to all games even as many league ones as i could..and was as desperate for us to get over the end line as much as the next diehard..but not any more...my first memory being the '89 munster final trimming we got of Tipp..even that did'nt disillusion me..but by god am i disillusioned now. Not by the management/players performance on the pitch..but off it..i'm referring to the recent decision to cancel next weekends round of senior football championship games because of the request of the county manager which is poor enough but expected..why would davy fitz give a bollocks..but when i hear some of the players also requesting same well thats it for me. I was due to play in one of thoses games..i have trained hard since Jan..made big sacrifices with work, kids etc..i pulled out of trip abroad based on the fixture list published months ago.

I have had this **** before but always felt that the county players (some from my own club) who put in so much work deserve the support and its not their fault. But **** that..if them same players dont give a **** about me then why should i about them...so now..i dont. Its not that i want them beaten..its just now i dont care anymore.

Deise Tom

Teebor15 wrote: »

I have followed the county teams since i was wee lad..going to all games even as many league ones as i could..and was as desperate for us to get over the end line as much as the next diehard..but not any more...my first memory being the '89 munster final trimming we got of Tipp..even that did'nt disillusion me..but by god am i disillusioned now. Not by the management/players performance on the pitch..but off it..i'm referring to the recent decision to cancel next weekends round of senior football championship games because of the request of the county manager which is poor enough but expected..why would davy fitz give a bollocks..but when i hear some of the players also requesting same well thats it for me. I was due to play in one of thoses games..i have trained hard since Jan..made big sacrifices with work, kids etc..i pulled out of trip abroad based on the fixture list published months ago.

I have had this **** before but always felt that the county players (some from my own club) who put in so much work deserve the support and its not their fault. But **** that..if them same players dont give a **** about me then why should i about them...so now..i dont. Its not that i want them beaten..its just now i dont care anymore.

To cancel the football next weekend was a total crazy idea by our county board, some of whom are quickly becoming the laughing stock of the G.A.A. This time last year it was getting involved in the fixing of a venue they were involved with. This year its giving a kick in the ba!!s to so many of its ordionary members, the bread and butter of the G.A.A., the club members/players, some of whom we are told arranged different things around the fixtures released a few months back.

There is a hell of a lot of anger out there right now towards some of our county board and maybe more so towards our county senior hurling selectors. My view there is well known so wont say too much.

The Waterford footballers are going out to play the same weekend as the hurlers. Calling off the games next weekend now means that the team will be going into the game without a competitve game to gauge the players fitness and form. They can play all the challenge games and tournament games in the world but its not the same a championship game.

One question i would love to have answered is, If John Owens and the Waterford Footballers asked for the hurling games in the championship this weekend to be called off, because they wanted to play a challenge game, go away on a bonding weekend or what ever, would they have been granted the request. Not on your nellie.

flahavaj

For all the talk of their forwards, its the Tipp half backs I fear the most. They were unreal second half today, especially Paudie Maher, who'll be hurler of the yer if he keeps that up. People say our fullback line is our weakest, but when is the last time we had a good half forward line? Those Tipp half backs could murder our half forwards, who look physically not the strongest. In the modern game, if your half back line is winning ball and getting good supply into your forwards you have the game as good as won. Thats where I feel they'll clean us out - their forwards are only as good as the quality of ball thats played into them.

Deise Tom

flahavaj wrote: »

For all the talk of their forwards, its the Tipp half backs I fear the most. They were unreal second half today, especially Paudie Maher, who'll be hurler of the yer if he keeps that up. People say our fullback line is our weakest, but when is the last time we had a good half forward line? Those Tipp half backs could murder our half forwards, who look physically not the strongest. In the modern game, if your half back line is winning ball and getting good supply into your forwards you have the game as good as won. Thats where I feel they'll clean us out - their forwards are only as good as the quality of ball thats played into them.

That is why i guess Waterford play this stupid short puck out to get the ball over their heads. While the short puck out and then the long one over the half backs heads is a way around of avoid them getting some sort of advantage, when it goes wrong as it often does, it can spell a lot of danger.

PTH2009

Group 1

Ballyduff Upper 1-10(13)-Fourmilewater 2-15(21)
De La Salle 1-21(24)-Lismore 3-09(18)
Stradbally 0-10 -Abbeyside 3-14(23)

Group 2

Dungarvan 1-16 (19)-Roanmore 1-14 (17)
Mount Sion 2-17 (23)-Tallow 3-14(23)
Ballygunner 3-19(28)- Passage 1-09(12)

Round 4 is set to take place on Sat/Sun 16/17 July but if Waterford are involved in the All Ireland Quarter Finals on Sunday 24th July, matches might be refixed not 100% sure.

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Deise Tom wrote: »

One question i would love to have answered is, If John Owens and the Waterford Footballers asked for the hurling games in the championship this weekend to be called off, because they wanted to play a challenge game, go away on a bonding weekend or what ever, would they have been granted the request. Not on your nellie.

We would never request this, we don't dictate.

Deise Tom

PTH2009 wrote: »

Group 1

Ballyduff Upper 1-10(13)-Fourmilewater 2-15(21)
De La Salle 1-21(24)-Lismore 3-09(18)
Stradbally 0-10 -Abbeyside 3-14(23)

Group 2

Dungarvan 1-16 (19)-Roanmore 1-14 (17)
Mount Sion 2-17 (23)-Tallow 3-14(23)
Ballygunner 3-19(28)- Passage 1-09(12)

Round 4 is set to take place on Sat/Sun 16/17 July but if Waterford are involved in the All Ireland Quarter Finals on Sunday 24th July, matches might be refixed not 100% sure.

It will be interesting to see. If Waterford were to lose the Munster Final, it would mean that they are out is it two weeks later in the quarter finals. I am sure that Davy will have another letter and a pasionate plea to the county board to call off the games. If he dont, it says a lot. And if we keep putting back out games, there is a risk that we will have no team in the Munster Club Championships which would be a crying shame. How many times have we been in a final in football and hurling in the last number of years. The calling off of games will also have a effect on the lower grade competitions as well, or is it a case that we have people who dont care about these grades (ie the ones that look for the games to be off), and they are only interested in the area around their own little bubble.