Lambay Island

Corsendonk

In fairness the recent push for the island to be used for tourism and open to the people of Dublin was raised as far back as 1996 by that great visionary Ray Burke TD in the Dail. The man could see shopping centres and housing estates were others couldn't possible believe they would fit!


Extract of Proceedings from 1996 of Report on Island Development. Mr Burke had a go at them because they forgot to include the islands on the East Coast in the report.
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0462/D.0462.199603070091.html

Mr. R. Burke: It has great tourist potential, as it is near Dublin city, and as a nature reserve. People live on this island and it has a wildlife preserve. It also has tremendous potential for water sports and sailing.

Fingal County Council is concentrating on the potential of tourism and upgrading the environmental and amenity aspects of the region. When I was chairman of the old Dublin County Council we bought some regional parks. We are proud of our amenities, such as Malahide Castle, Newbridge House in Donabate and the magnificent regional parks between Skerries and Balbriggan. We took a forward looking approach towards providing amenities for the people of the region. Lambay Island has long-term potential as an amenity to be shared not only by the family that owns it but also by our population and our incoming tourists.

Further on

I ask the Minister, in his capacity as chairman of this co-ordinating committee, to enter into discussions with the family owning the island with a view toward greater co-ordination, for example, in the use of Rogerstown harbour, which is the private harbour used by the family on the mainland. The back of the harbour is used by the progressive Rush Sailing Club which is trying to improve its facilities for members and tourists. The Minister should discover for himself that there is a populated island off the east coast. It is particularly important that he enter into negotiations with the family as Lord Revelstoke recently passed away. The Minister of State should enter into negotiations with a view to examining the potential of Lambay for amenity use, for tourism, for its continued use as a wildlife preserve and for allowing it to be opened to the people of the Dublin region and to tourists, to see if it could be utilised for water sports and what use could be made of the island generally without damaging the present environment. It has tremendous potential and now is the appropriate time to consider it. I congratulate earlier speakers. It is obvious there is a need for a co-ordinating authority to meet the needs of islanders.

The report contains some lovely photographs in which the Minister of State looks well. They were supplied courtesy of An Post, Bord Fáilte, Shay Fennelly and Telecom Éireann. The Minister of State should look again at the list of islands and discover that the good Lord left us a little jewel called Lambay Island off Portrane where I was born. Like the previous speaker who looked out on an island from where he was reared, as a child I went to bed every night looking out at the island of Lambay.

Corsendonk

Can any GAA fans name the All Ireland winner born on Lambay Island?

Corsendonk

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Anyone see Lambay today? looked like someone hurled a massive snow ball out into the sea.

Lambay Rush South Beach Sunday

Corsendonk

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=&exact=&firstname=&county=Dublin&townland=Lambay&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=50




1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=&exact=&firstname=&county=Dublin&townland=Lambay&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=50

expectationlost

i thought they were cows on it?

Yawns

Joe Rafferty?

Corsendonk

Yawns wrote: »

Joe Rafferty?

Correct Joe Rafferty, captain of Kildare and All Ireland winner 1905 was born on the island when his father worked there. Incidentally Kildare won the 1905 All Ireland in 1907 as it was common for the championship to run late then.

Leinster Leader of May 19 1956

Passing Of Great Footballer

The Late Mr. Joseph Rafferty, Naas

The tragic death last week of Joe Rafferty (76) one of Kildare’s greatest football heroes, came as a great shock to Gaels not only in County Kildare but all over the whole country. Strangely enough Joe was not born in Kildare, but in Lambay Island off the coast of Dublin, where his father was employed at the time, before coming to a job in Osberstown, Naas.
Joe, it is stated, was not christened for six weeks due to the difficulty of reaching the mainland owing to storms.
From his earliest years Joe Rafferty took a keen interest in athletics, and he was only fourteen years when he took up Gaelic football. The first team he played with was Sallins, known as “John Manderville’s” at that time, but it wasn’t very long until Clane then ruling the roost in Kildare football heard about his abilities and had him enrolled. They did not regret their decision as Joe won three county championships with Clane; incidentally it was Joe’s habit to walk from Osberstown to Clane weekly either for a match or practice.
Speaking to a well-known Gael and sportsman, Mr. Jack Lawler, Obserstown, Naas, who knew the late Mr. Rafferty very well and recalled playing football against him, he mentioned some prominent teams that Joe played against including Mountrice then known as “The Blunts,” “Crom Abus” from Maynooth, and the “Sons of Rest.”
Before going to Kilcock he played for a time with “The Rags” a Kilcullen team. He have trojan service to Kilcock where that evergreen Gael Tommy Kelly too him under his wing and he was with Kilcock for years and won a championship with them.
He never played football with Naas and his last game was about 1921 when Naas just promoted from junior ranks defeated his adopted team.
Of course Joe’s fame as a footballer went far beyond the confines of Kildare, and even the youngest boy in the county speaks with both awe and respect of that grand old warrior of the playing fields of half a century ago. He led Kildare (Clane) to their first Leinster title in 1903, and it was he who captained the All-Whites in their three memorable clashes with Kerry (Mitchel’s) in the All-Ireland Final of that year before the Kingdom won their first game.
Two years later Joe achieved the great prize for which all footballers yearn-an All-Ireland medal-when Kildare (Roseberry) overcame the same Kerry Mitchel’s in the All-Ireland Final. Joe’s contemporaries at that time included Bill Bracken, “Joyce” Conlon, “Steel” Losty, Jim Wright, Willie Merriman, “Hussey” Cribben and Eddie Kennedy.
Apart from the memorable games with Kerry, Joe had fond recollections of the great games with Louth in the Leinster Championship which he was of the opinion made Kildare the peers of the football world at that time. Substitutes were then unknown and the All-Whites played the same seventeen players in their three matches against Kerry and Louth.
The late Joe Rafferty usually played at midfield, but if required could play in any position with distinction and could use both feet with equal accuracy. He had a powerful kick, a Gael who watched him in many matches told a Leinster Leader Representative, and he knew where he was placing the ball. He had a great admiration for the Kerry men and the Jubilee dinner which the “Kingdom” celebrated after their 1953 All-Ireland triumph he was the honoured guest and those veteran Kerry footballers of other days vied with one another in making him feel at home. “Kerry,” he used to say, “were the most honourable lads I ever met. They would give and take and they never whimpered. I never saw one of them say a word to a referee.”
Of latter years Joe who was in the best of health lived quietly near Naas, honoured and respected by all. An amiable good-natured man he had a kind greeting for everyone, and his popularity was lasting.
His wife died about twelve years ago he is survived by two sons and three daughters. His tragic passing will be sincerely mourned.
There was a very large attendance at the removal of the remains to the Church of Our Lady and St. David on Friday evening and to Dean’s Grange Cemetery on Saturday last. Included amongst the Gaels in attendance were Larry Stanley, Mick Buckley, Tom Keogh, “Gus” Fitzpatrick, Jack and Tom Lawler, Tim Clarke, Secretary of the Kildare County Board of the G.A.A. Eddie Marum, T. Kelly.
The chief mourners were Joseph and John Rafferty (sons); Mrs. Mary Kealy, Mrs. Rose O’Sullivan and Mrs. Nancy McDonald (daughter) and other relatives.
At the meeting of the Naas Urban Council on Tuesday night sincere sympathy was voted to the family and relatives of the late Mr. Rafferty, and many tributes were paid to his sterling qualities as a Gael and patriotic Irishman

More info on Joe Rafferty All Ireland win with Kildare
Kildare Voice 15 June 2007

June 16 1907, a hundred years ago was when Kildare won the first of their four All Ireland titles and an important date in forging the identity of our county.
The first of our four All Ireland football championships was won with the minimum of fuss and with little impact compared with the razzmatazz connected with such occasions nowadays.
The creation of parliamentary constituencies (North and South Kildare both elected one MP to the English House of Commons) and local elections of 1898 had helped initiate something resembling a Kildare identity.
But it was the GAA that elevated our counties something more than lines on a map. And it was the surge of popularity created by Kildare’s performances in four big football matches against Kerry that enabled the GAA to do so, placing it at the heart of popular culture for the first time a century ago.
Three of these matches were played in 1905, for the All Ireland “home” title of 1903 because the chaotic GAA championship ran two years late in those days.
Kildare lost at the third attempt, having filled newspaper columns, special trains, makeshift stands in borrowed agricultural showgrounds, and the coffers of the GAA in the meantime.
The same counties were back playing the 1905 final two years later, on June 16 1907, exactly a hundred years before the launch of this paper.
There was a sense of unfinished business for both counties. The customary wrangle over the venue for the final took three Central Council meetings to resolve. Kildare initially refused to travel to Munster to play and at one stage the title was awarded to Kerry on a walkover.
Eventually they went to Thurles and won, invoking the spirit of Wolfe Tone and his grave in Bodenstown in the dressing room pre match address.
Who were these men? Writing the Centenary History of the GAA in Kildare I tried to encounter them through the memories of half a dozen or so old men who had witnessed some of those games.
None of the players were alive, and a bit like a boy in a Dickens story, I started with an evening visit to Mainham graveyard to imagine their football heroism through tombstone inscriptions.
The graveyard analogy was apt. These were solid men who did something today’s heroes would love to emulate.
Was it easier then? Probably. Fewer counties competed. Ulster was a pushover. When Kildare played the semi-final some of the selected Cavan team did not show up and a newspaper columnist concluded "Cavan would not even win the junior championship of Kildare.”
Dublin and Kerry were Kildare’s only real opponents. Kildare’s own club structure was undergoing a bit of a revivial, new clubs were springing up all over the flatlands, but the experience of the men of Newbridge Sarsfields, or rather their predecessors Roseberry, and Clane meant those clubs dominated the local championship.
A bit like the way Munster’s forwards and Leinster’s backs make up the current Irish rugby team, the two clubs balanced each other out to make up the winning 17 - the 15 a side game was not introduced until 1913.
Joe Rafferty, the captain and mentor of 1903 was in command of operations from midfield, and he apparently picked his 17 with breath-taking simplicity, Roseberry men in the backs, Clane men in the forwards.
The trains to Thurles stopped at stations along the Kildare line that have long been closed. Some of the spectators still had excitement in their voices as they recalled the crush of that journey.
Trains were cheap but wages were low. It could cost most of a labourer’s salary to get there and back. We can estimate that 15,000 showed up, not much more than a county final nowadays.
A telephone was used for the first time to send the result back to ecstatic Kildare. Bonfires were lit at the crossroads so the returning spectators saw the heather blazing in the midsummer light.
We don’t know much about the game itself. Newspapers credit Kildare’s victory on their wing play with a newcomer Tom Kelly the apparent star of the show.
The ball was heavier in those days and football, if the rules of the time were followed, was more likely a pushing game than the high fielding propulsion game we have today.
Kildare lost the toss. But when Kerry chose to play against the breeze Kildare went 0-6 to 0-1 up at half-time and never lost the lead.
Joe Rafferty's "deft punching" caused havoc at centre-field and Kildare got the game's only goal when Jack Connolly hit the crossbar, only to power his own rebound over the line "after a few minutes of life-and-death struggle."
The heroes dispersed, many of them to America. Fractious relationships with their employers made the prospects of a life abroad very appealing.
It always struck me as ironic that while Kildare’s two premier fee-paying boys boarding schools, Clongowes and Dominican Newbridge, sent rugby teams to the fields cheered on by the middle classes, the college farmhands were virtually inventing Gaelic Football as we know it in borrowed rugby jerseys.
None of them thought that a hundred years later the GAA would be loaning its stadium back to rugby.

Goalkeeper: Jack Fitzgerald (Roseberry);
Full back line Jack Murray (Roseberry), Jack Gorman (Roseberry), Larry Cribben;
Half back line Tom Keogh (Roseberry), William Merriman, Ned Kennedy 0-3 (Roseberry);
Midfielders Mick Fitzgerald (Roseberry), Joe Rafferty, Mick Murray (Roseberry), Jack Connolly 1-0 (Roseberry);
Half forwards: Jem Scott, Bill Bracken, Matt Donnelly;
Full forward line Bill "Steel" Losty 0-2, Tom Kelly, Frank "Joyce" Conlan 0-1 (Roseberry).

Corsendonk

expectationlost wrote: »

i thought they were cows on it?

Yes, the island has cows. The post of paintings by Paul Kelly showed cows in one of his paintings. Aqua restaurant in Howth also offered Lambay beef on their menu, I don't know if they still do? Or have any posters tried?

Anja Blog- Anja in 2010 worked on the Island for Bird Watch Ireland. Use the drop down box to flick through her blog. She mentions the various people and animals(wallabies too) on the Island including Zoro the Bull and battling cows that destroyed her chewsticks. They carried out genetic testing on rats to see if they had resistance to rodentcides so the rat may no longer have much time left on the Island. They also seem to shop online at Tesco!!

http://www.offexploring.com/anjainireland/blog/ireland/lambay-island/2010-04-18%2013:10:55


www.npws.ie Site Synopis

The predominant landuse on the island nowadays is grazing for cattle. Most of the central and eastern part of the island was improved for grazing in the 1950s and is now semi-improved pasture, interspersed with outcropping rock, bramble (Rubus fruticosus) and Bracken (Pteridium aquilinum). The cliff slopes have a typical maritime vegetation, with such species as Thrift (Armeria maritima), Sea Campion(Silene maritima), Rock Sea-spurrey (Spergularia rupicola) and Spring Squill (Scillaverna). Some sheltered gullies have small areas of scrub woodland dominated by Elder (Sambucus nigra). The low-lying western third is more fertile and is used for grazing and silage production. The habitations, which comprise a castle, cottages and farm complex, occur in the western sector. Lambay Island is internationally important for its breeding seabirds and is of particular note for its diversity, with 12 species breeding regularly. A survey in 1999 showed that it had internationally important populations of Cormorant (675 pairs), Shag (1,122 pairs), Razorbill (4,337 individuals) and Guillemot (59,824 individuals). A further five species have populations of national importance: Fulmar (635 pairs), Lesser Black-backed Gull (309 pairs), Herring Gull (1,806 pairs), Great Black-backed Gull (193 pairs) and Kittiwake (4,091 pairs). The island also supports the largest colony of Puffin (265 individuals) on the east coast and has the only known east coast colony of Manx Shearwaters (<50 pairs). Several pairs of Black Guillemot breed. The populations of Cormorant, Shag, Herring Gull and Guillemot are the largest in Ireland. Lambay is a traditional nesting site for Peregrine (1 pair); this is a species that is listed on Annex I of the E.U. Birds Directive. It also supports the largest colony of breedingOystercatcher (20-25 pairs) on the east coast. Several pairs of Ringed Plover and Shelduck breed, as well as Raven and a variety of passerines such as Stonechat, Whitethroat and Reed Bunting. In winter, Lambay supports a nationally important population of Greylag Goose (311– average maximum for winters 1995/96-1999/00). Up to the mid 1990s, a Barnacle Goose flock wintered on the island (the only such flock in eastern Ireland) but these have since abandoned the site. Brent Geese now winter regularly (55), as well as Oystercatcher (155), Purple Sandpiper (9), Curlew (189) and Turnstone (32). Large numbers of gulls frequent the island during the winter. Several seabird species, notably Fulmar, Shag and Guillemot, regularly visit the breeding cliffs during winter. Lambay supports the only breeding colony of Grey Seal on the east coast. Although it is a long established site for this species, it remains relatively small (45-60 individuals) probably because of the restricted area suitable for breeding. A herd of Fallow Deer (up to c. 80) roams the island. Lambay may also hold the last Irish population of the Ship Rat, a species that is listed in the Irish Red Data Book. The birds of Lambay have been well documented since the mid 1850s. Of particular importance was an intensive survey of the natural history of Lambay Island, which included detailed information on the birds, carried out in 1906. Since the 1980s, the birds have been well monitored, with regular censuses of both breeding and wintering birds. Lambay has essentially been maintained as a wildlife sanctuary by its owners since the early 20th century and the policy of preservation of wildlife continues. Rats may be causing some damage to the populations of burrow-nesting sea-birds. As Lambay is close to major shipping lanes, oil pollution is always a threat.
Lambay is an internationally important seabird colony and one of the top seabird sites in Ireland. Four species have populations of international importance and a further five have populations of national importance. In addition to the seabirds, it also supports a nationally important population of Greylag Goose. The site is also of conservation for the population of Grey Seal

For those interested in working on Lambay Island Organic Farm as an unpaid volunteer for the spring or summer.
http://www.wwoof.ie/howto/wwoofer


From http://www.wwoof.ie

Lambay island, Co. Dublin
Family run farm in idyllic setting on a 300 h island with Special Area of conservation status and a Special Protection Area for nesting sea birds and breeding Atlantic seals. Lambay is host to some of the largest and most varied sea bird colonies in Europe. It is an island rich in history with interesting archaeological features. The whole island is privately owned and farmed within the Rural Environmental Farm Scheme : mainly permanent grazing for a herd of Galloway cross cows and some sheep. There is also a herd of fallow deer, some naturalised wallabies and many rabbits. There is an historic house and castle, coastguard cottages, farmyard and chapel all enlarged and enhanced by the famous architect Edwin Lutyens over 100 years ago by my grandparents, with extensive gardens and grounds. Limited agri-tourism in the summer months. volunteers are used mostly to help control noxious weeds especially ragwort( Jacobaea senecio) in the hay meadows and tree plantations and other problem areas. Help is also needed in the gardens and grounds which include some vegetable and fruit growing. Other permanent staff live on the island. Electricity is generated by a wind Turbine.

Corsendonk

Impact of Ballealy Dump?


London Independent 2004

The strange story of Ireland's seagulls. Why are they vanishing at such a rate?
They may have earned themselves a bad name in British towns with their aggressive dive-bombing tactics, but in Ireland herring gulls are in severe trouble, with numbers plummeting by 90 per cent.


They may have earned themselves a bad name in British towns with their aggressive dive-bombing tactics, but in Ireland herring gulls are in severe trouble, with numbers plummeting by 90 per cent.

The species has disappeared from the coastline at such a rate that it has been placed on an ornithological danger list. An Irish expert says the population is in "free-fall nationally". Twenty-seven thousand individuals have been lost in the past few decades.

The exact causes of the population decline are unknown; theories from fishing to avian botulism have been advanced.

The bird's plight was laid bare in a 15-year census published by Birdwatch Ireland. Its unpopularity among humans means, however, that any widespread campaign to save it is unlikely.

Ireland has also been relatively untroubled by the urban gull phenomenon which has affected some parts of Britain as birds move into towns and cities. There are only a few small urban colonies scattered along the eastern coast.

Instead, the Irish story has been one of steep decline. Lambay Island off Dublin used to have 10,000 pairs of gulls, today it has just a few hundred. Cape Clear island off Co Cork, which once had more than 500 birds, now has fewer than 50.

Dr Stephen Newton, of Birdwatch Ireland, said: "Because gulls have always been so numerous - and because nobody's worried about them - this has gone on without people really being aware of it.

"It was only when a 15-year census was carried out that this came to light. There has been a decline in Britain as well, but on nothing like this scale. This raises concerns for the herring gull's future."

A large drop in the Dublin area had been expected, since it had been noted that herring gulls had all but disappeared from areas such as the city's Sandymount Strand. That was explained because thousands of gulls on Lambay Island were poisoned in the early 1990s because they were regarded as a risk to aircraft using Dublin airport. That reduced the island's population from 20,000 to 5,000, but two surprises followed. One was that the numbers continued to drop dramatically in the ensuing years, while the other was that they also declined sharply elsewhere around the coast of both the Republic and Northern Ireland.

In addition to the cull and attacks by mink and foxes, three main theories are being advanced for the plummeting numbers. One is that the fishing industry is less active in Irish waters, with quotas and bigger mesh sizes. This means the herring gull has fewer fishy remains to scavenge.

The second is that a general improvement in waste management policies has reduced the amount of food the gulls can rely on from human dumps. Dr Newton explained: "When rubbish is dumped now it is supposed to be covered almost immediately, on environmental health grounds. This means there is less material available to gulls, crows, rats and everything else."

The third reason is avian botulism, a disease arising from a bacterial toxin that the gulls can pick up while foraging at rubbish dumps. In one year, 200 dead or dying birds were observed on Lambay Island.Dr Newton explained: "This toxin seems to have a disproportionate effect on the very small number of birds left. Essentially it just paralyses them and then they tend to get hypothermia. This is probably all part of this process but we can't really work out what's triggering it."

In Britain, the increased movement of gulls into urban centres has led to forecasts that the herring gull problem is set to worsen over the next decade. In Ireland the gulls face an uncertain future: instead of any prospect of expansion, it seems they will be locked in a battle for sheer survival.

tricky D

Corsendonk wrote: »

Yes, the island has cows. The post of paintings by Paul Kelly showed cows in one of his paintings. Aqua restaurant in Howth also offered Lambay beef on their menu, I don't know if they still do? Or have any posters tried?

It appears to be seasonal and currently I'd say it is out of season especially considering it says it was extended to Oct on their website.

http://www.aqua.ie/lambay_beef.asp

roseym

We have a tenuous family link to the island, my great Aunt married Rupert Barings nephew. While she has been on the island, very few of our extended family have been. I think one of my Aunts might have done some babysitting out there. It's great to read this thread and learn a little about it.

Goggleyed_gimp

Fascinating thread. I also would love to visit it someday.

Some great points on both sides but I'll have to agree with LeoB. I think it should be state owned. No one family should be allowed to own a WHOLE island!

The Hill Billy

On what grounds should they not be allowed own it? It is a piece of land just like any other.

Just because it is surrounded by water or quite scenic shouldn't mean it should be repossessed by the state. Should we repossess property just because it happens to be a pretty mountain with lovely views?

Dizzyblonde

If I won the Euromillions I'd buy it! I'm sure there are far bigger tracts of land owned by farmers.

tricky D

Plenty of 'our' islands are privately owned. There's no good reason why not. Ireland's Eye is privately owned too by the Gaisford-St Lawrence (formerly the Lord Howth family) family but allows public access.

Goggleyed_gimp

Hill Billy, I see your view still hasn't changed after all these years. The fact that there was a Facebook group with over 200 members proves the point that it's only a matter of opinion.

The Hill Billy

So your opinion that private land should be taken away from its owners is based on the fact that 200 people clicked a button on a social media site?

If 200 people liked a Facebook page stating that we should all have eggs for breakfast - should we make that law too? I'm assuming that number is indeed required for a change in legislation. Or could we get it through with just 100 'Likes'?

Goggleyed_gimp

Haha you talk some pony. The point I was trying to make is that an opposition does exist. It's not like the whole of Ireland are on Facebook, even seen the page or know where lambast island is, so that number would be much higher if everyone knew about it. Not saying everyone would agree but I think the vast majority would. I was surprised it even got 200 followers! I'm not entertaining your gobbledegook any longer, good day!

gaz wac

So even if the whole of Ireland "liked" the page...rounding down to 4 million people ( cos were getting rid of the 1c & 2c coins ) what then? The masses have spoken and demand it to be a public island ?!?!... so the Gov just go in and take it/ buy it off the owners?......it really does'nt work like that !

Goggleyed_gimp

gaz wac wrote: »

So even if the whole of Ireland "liked" the page...rounding down to 4 million people ( cos were getting rid of the 1c & 2c coins ) what then? The masses have spoken and demand it to be a public island ?!?!... so the Gov just go in and take it/ buy it off the owners?......it really does'nt work like that !

Ok, so 4 million people would be against it. My point made. simply trying to point out the fact that not everyone agrees it should be a private island. I thought that was quite clear in my previous post. And I wreckon the majority of people agree with me, I actually asked a few college mates today and they all happened to agree with me.

Tabnabs

If you don't like it being a private island, go buy it yourself (or crowdsource the funding) and donate it to the nation. Simples...

The Hill Billy

My point was that you say that a family shouldn't own a "WHOLE island!" (emphasis yours). But you give no reason why.

So, I simply want to know...
Why should an island, such as Lambay, not be in private ownership?

gaz wac

Goggleyed_gimp wrote: »

I actually asked a few college mates today and they all happened to agree with me.

....ahhhh well then !! I didn't know that !

Goggleyed_gimp

Guess you'll have to take my word for it gaz Wac. Can't you least admit that a lot of people disagree with you?

The reason I think it should be partially public is because it's an island.

Flint Fredstone

Goggleyed_gimp wrote: »

Haha you talk some pony. The point I was trying to make is that an opposition does exist. It's not like the whole of Ireland are on Facebook, even seen the page or know where lambast island is, so that number would be much higher if everyone knew about it. Not saying everyone would agree but I think the vast majority would. I was surprised it even got 200 followers! I'm not entertaining your gobbledegook any longer, good day!

There's only one person talking gobbledygook around here. It's not up to the general public to take land off somebody. How could you possibly think that they could have a say?

Goggleyed_gimp

You's probably have some type of "eyes wide shut-esque" sex cult going on on that island that you're trying to keep from everyone.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

Goggleyed_gimp

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

There's only one person talking gobbledygook around here. It's not up to the general public to take land off somebody. How could you possibly think that they could have a say?

All I'm saying is I don't think islands should be privately owned, man.

Graham

Goggleyed_gimp wrote: »

All I'm saying is I don't think islands should be privately owned, man.

I don't think your house should be privately owned, if I setup a Facebook group and get 200 likes are you going to give it to me?

Goggleyed_gimp

Graham wrote: »

I don't think your house should be privately owned, if I setup a Facebook group and get 200 likes are you going to give it to me?

My house isn't an island. It's all about the fact of it being an island.

BKWDR

Well at least you are going to college....getting some time out of the house is good....