England are going to win the world cup (Mod Warrning @ post 42)

Dub13

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

michael owen 89 caps, 40 goals record speaks for it self ,
form is temporary , class is permanent

Bring back bobby charlton so and the world cup is in the bag.

Jax Teller

Dub13 wrote: »

Bring back bobby charlton so and the world cup is in the bad.

he retired himself , michael owen still available for selection though

Rekop dog

LOL at people even considering they've got a chance. They've absolutely no playmaker in central midfield of the ability to win a world cup. Yeah Stevie G and Franky lamps are excellant box to box players but this is not enough. The day Scholes retired was a crushing blow for them. Barry or Carrick are simply not good enough at this level. Spain would wipe the floor with them and anyone who disagrees is dillusional.

Headshot

Mr Alan wrote: »

Headshot, between me & you, only one persons opinion of Michael is different from what it was last year, and it certainly ain't me.

Walcott has played as a winger for England, but he can also play up front (obviously)
Crouch is not the best in the air, but he worries defences cause of his height, he always wins flick ons & has a great touch & can score. Much better option than Owen from the bench if a goal is needed.

i had no opinion on owen last year

its so easy to deal with some like crouch,contest the headers but make sure you get the knock downs,pretty easy

another thing owen has is he is always on the shoulder of the defender

Jax Teller

lets all not forget this new wonderkid jack wilshere :P ..

Dearg81

Spain would wipe the floor with them and anyone who disagrees is dillusional.

Well maybe USA will do England a favour and knock them out:D

Eire-Dearg

It's easier said than done to mark someone like Crouch - he's a decent weapon to have.

Loomis

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I didn't give my opinion on whether they could win it or not.

By saying they will bottle it, you are implying that they had a chance in the first place. Thus, the English thinking that they might win it isn't actually that far off and creating a thread about Terry saying that they could win it just so you could point out how stupid he is is somewhat retarded.

I didn't say they'd bottle it.

I took up the issue of why they get stick. And it's their attitude.

jesus_thats_gre

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

I didn't say they'd bottle it.

I took up the issue of why they get stick. And it's their attitude.

I didn't say that you did. My post was prompted by someone else saying that they would bottle it. You quoted me and I replied to your post and attempted to elaborate on the logic that I was using.

DenMan

I'm unsubscribing from this thread right now.

Warper

England remind me a bit of the Dublin football team - all hype and no substance. I just cant see them winning it - its the same every 4 years. Football is not coming home - its going to South America where it belongs.

Jax Teller

Warper wrote: »

England remind me a bit of the Dublin football team - all hype and no substance. I just cant see them winning it - its the same every 4 years. Football is not coming home - its going to South America where it belongs.

i doubt that, unless spain miraculously moves to south america

Iago

I think England have a fantastic chance of winning this time around, still not sure I'd back them for it but they have to be up there with the favourites.

Warper

keysersoze_88 wrote: »

i doubt that, unless spain miraculously moves to south america

Spain are another team that seem to crumble under the pressure. Look at their history in major competitions. Granted they have an excellent team but there is still something dodgy about them - you just can't rely on them. They won one of the weakest European Championships in many a year with the majority of the major traditional teams looking very mundane eg Italy, France and that other powerhouse England who couldn't even make it.

Even in the Confed Cup, Spain looked great until they bombed out in the semi's. Brazil will win it.

Stacksey

Dub13 wrote: »

Folks this is not going to turn into another Liverpool V Utd thread.One yellow issued already.

Dub13

Whats the problem if it does?? People obviously like debating Liverpool V Manu so i dont get why just cause your a moderator you can have this controlling aspect to warn people againt chatting about it, i'm losing patience with boards.ie cause of people like you

Fink Goddie

Stacksey wrote: »

Whats the problem if it does?? People obviously like debating Liverpool V Manu so i dont get why just cause your a moderator you can have this controlling aspect to warn people againt chatting about it, i'm losing patience with boards.ie cause of people like you

Here here, in everyday life conversations go from one thing to another, i dont see the harm in it.
Its the bouncer syndrome again!

Mr Alan

Stacksey wrote: »

Whats the problem if it does?? People obviously like debating Liverpool V Manu so i dont get why just cause your a moderator you can have this controlling aspect to warn people againt chatting about it, i'm losing patience with boards.ie cause of people like you

This thread is about England in the world cup.

Stacksey

Mr Alan wrote: »

This thread is about England in the world cup.

Thats fine but if a conversation goes slightly off topic what of it? nobody is getting hurt by it

Mr Alan

no harm in reminding wat the topic at hand is though, in order to keep it from going way off topic.

eg:
the merits of Owen over Crouch/Walcott/Bent etc-grand
Le Tallac being ****e-hideously but, but hideously off topic

Bandit12

England have one World class player (Gerrard) and two very good players (Terry and Rooney), otherwise they are a bit meh TBH. Knocked out in Semi's or Quarters yet again me thinks.

Bandit12

Warper wrote: »

Spain are another team that seem to crumble under the pressure. Look at their history in major competitions. Granted they have an excellent team but there is still something dodgy about them - you just can't rely on them. They won one of the weakest European Championships in many a year with the majority of the major traditional teams looking very mundane eg Italy, France and that other powerhouse England who couldn't even make it.

Even in the Confed Cup, Spain looked great until they bombed out in the semi's. Brazil will win it.

England are a powerhouse now? When's the last major final they made it to? 66 :rolleyes:

Stacksey

Bandit12 wrote: »

England have one World class player (Gerrard) and two very good players (Terry and Rooney), otherwise they are a bit meh TBH. Knocked out in Semi's or Quarters yet again me thinks.

Getting back on toppic that is the most ridiculous statement i have ever seen, they have a world class player in every position except for goalkeeper

MagicMarker

Bandit12 wrote: »

England have one World class player (Gerrard) and two very good players (Terry and Rooney), otherwise they are a bit meh TBH. Knocked out in Semi's or Quarters yet again me thinks.

lol

bullvine

In fairness Ashley Cole and Lampard are both world class!

Bandit12

Stacksey wrote: »

Getting back on toppic that is the most ridiculous statement i have ever seen, they have a world class player in every position except for goalkeeper

Would'nt like to see your world class team then. Owen,Brown,Lampard,Cole,Crouch etc... are NOT world class players.

Bubs101

Warper wrote: »

Spain are another team that seem to crumble under the pressure. Look at their history in major competitions. Granted they have an excellent team but there is still something dodgy about them - you just can't rely on them. They won one of the weakest European Championships in many a year with the majority of the major traditional teams looking very mundane eg Italy, France and that other powerhouse England who couldn't even make it.

Even in the Confed Cup, Spain looked great until they bombed out in the semi's. Brazil will win it.

I'd agree. Spain looked class in the Euro's but were definitely outclassed by an Italian team who had a poor poor tournament and the same happened in the Confederations Cup. Think they're prone to losing concentration or letting the pressure get to them in big tournaments.

Eire-Dearg

Bandit12 wrote: »

Would'nt like to see your world class team then. Owen,Brown,Lampard,Cole,Crouch etc... are NOT world class players.

Lampard, Carrick, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole, SWP, Young, Beckham, Johnson, RIO and Crouch are certainly not - as you put it - "meh".

Warper

bullvine wrote: »

In fairness Ashley Cole and Lampard are both world class!

Agree - individually they have some top-notch players. They have a goalkeeper crisis and bar Rooney they are very average up-front. Plus Lampard and Gerrard just cannot play together.

Warper

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

Lampard, Carrick, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole, SWP, Young, Beckham, Johnson, RIO and Crouch are certainly not - as you put it - "meh".

In fairness SWP, Johnson and Crouch are mediocre plus Beckham will be in his mid-thirties this time next year.

A7X

Bandit12 wrote: »

Would'nt like to see your world class team then. Owen,Brown,Lampard,Cole,Crouch etc... are NOT world class players.

Those two are world class players. Owen was and still can be one.

RasTa

Stacksey wrote: »

Thats fine but if a conversation goes slightly off topic what of it? nobody is getting hurt by it

Oh I am....

bullvine

Very few if any better leftbacks than Cole and Lampard is easily a class act! The amount of goals hes scored over the years. Oh and you forgot Ferdinand, definitely is and I'm sure if Rooney gets a good run up front with United he will prove he is, thats 5 including Stevie G!

Paul Tergat

I dont think that we will win it.

Probably our standard quarter final exit against one of the better teams.

Paul Tergat

Bandit12 wrote: »

England have one World class player (Gerrard) and two very good players (Terry and Rooney), otherwise they are a bit meh TBH. Knocked out in Semi's or Quarters yet again me thinks.

What a stupid post. The funniest thing for me is putting Terry down as being better then Rio.

Xavi6

As always they certainly have the squad of players to win it, the main difference this time round is that they have a manager who is capable of delivering.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the final at the very least, draw depending of course.

SlickRic

writing off england is pretty ludicrous to be honest.

several world class players - rio, stevie, cashley, lampard, rooney, terry (debatable i'll admit).

whoever said cashley and lamps aren't world class; well done :rolleyes:

they have other other solid, high quality players such as barry and joe cole. johnson is great on his day. and even if he's not, brown if ever fit could probably usurp him anyway.

GK and striker are their only real concerns. the rest of the team, on paper, is more than aptly able to win the tournament.

Capello has made them difficult enough to beat, and once you're difficult to beat, well then anything can happen in international football. england have enough game-changers on the back of this, to win a tournament like the World Cup.

purple_hatstand

Xavi6 wrote: »

As always they certainly have the squad of players to win it, the main difference this time round is that they have a manager who is capable of delivering.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the final at the very least, draw depending of course.

The draw is important.

Capello is also a very important factor. England look like a team transformed recently. And with most of the same players.

Very important in tournament play are temperament and psychology. England have a long history of being quite crap in the mental aspects of the game - sendings off, missing penalties etc...

Luck is a huge factor in tournament football and England also have a long history of being really unlucky with injuries and the like.




(I think it would be great for Owen if he does enough to force his way into the England team for the WC. I also think it would be great for England if this happened.)

Redzer7

How could England win the World Cup if Ireland is going to win it :P.
Keep The Faith :rolleyes: Pfttttt.

Xavi6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T1pXsJp_go

invincibleirish

Read the first few chapters of this book and realise England will be doing very well indeed to get past the QF.

Redzer7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5PT65I2ny8

Yeeeha

blinding

Bandit12 wrote: »

England have one World class player (Gerrard) and two very good players (Terry and Rooney), otherwise they are a bit meh TBH. Knocked out in Semi's or Quarters yet again me thinks.

Gerrard and Rooney world class or at least very good.

Terry is as slow as christmas and I do not think he is that good. He could be embarassed very easily by quality fast strikers.

Bandit12

blinding wrote: »

Gerrard and Rooney world class or at least very good.

Terry is as slow as christmas and I do not think he is that good. He could be embarassed very easily by quality fast strikers.

Imo Rooney is'nt world class. Maybe he will become the player we where promised (White Pele;)) but i doubt it very much. Gerrard is one of the top 3 players in the world so yes he is world class.

Dub13

Stacksey wrote: »

Whats the problem if it does?? People obviously like debating Liverpool V Manu so i dont get why just cause your a moderator you can have this controlling aspect to warn people againt chatting about it, i'm losing patience with boards.ie cause of people like you

First off you are debating moderation in a thread and this is against the rules,but seems you are losing patience with boards.ie because of people like me I will let it slide and hope you pick up on this and it helps you return to loving boards and the moderates unconditionally.

If we don't stop threads sliding into big Man Utd V Liverpool flame wars every second thread on the forum would become one,this may not to bad if you are a Man Utd or Liverpool fan but believe it or not there are fans of other clubs on here.

FatherTed

Every 4 years, it's the same thing. "This is our best team since '66" etc etc etc. Capello is a great manager but the fact is that other teams are technically better than the best the English have. Semis at most.

stovelid

Ridiculous how people let nationalist feelings temper their rationality about the English national team despite supporting English teams.

They're not omnipotent; they don't have a divine right to win, but they are certainly among the favourites on merit.

jesus_thats_gre

invincibleirish wrote: »

Read the first few chapters of this book and realise England will be doing very well indeed to get past the QF.

Just purchased that am I right in thinking that that is the author of Freakonomics?

invincibleirish

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Just purchased that am I right in thinking that that is the author of Freakonomics?

Its not the same author but it is basically a football version of Freakonomics, tis a great read, i heartily recommend it to all.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

I support an English team and love watching English football and some of my favourite players are English so I hope they do well. They genuinely have some world class players, the Spanish and Italian press etc can be just as bad but we don't hear much about it as they aren't our neighbours. If we had a team like England, we would be pretty damn hyped up about it too.

mike65

Ireland have the luxury of being plucky loosers.