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New Restricted List sneak peek
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Okay, this is an unofficial sneak peek at Schedule One of the upcoming Restricted List from an anonymous source in the DoJ.They must be, how else would Des get the contents of the Guidelines while they were still confidential?
Seems he isn't the only on with "deep throat" contacts :eek: Were you not giving off over his under the table dealing in a previous thread ?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61320092&postcount=140
Seems it's only wrong if "the others" get sneak previews
Question :P Did Des's wishlist get adopted too? :eek:0 -
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There's a difference between boards.ie being used by the DoJ to distribute information and distributing a document that's still confidential...Okay, this is an unofficial sneak peek at Schedule One of the upcoming Restricted List from an anonymous source in the DoJ.
Amounts to the same thing I reckon :rolleyes:
New theory = certain groups have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and they need some other stuff included to make them look less guilty i.e. Ruger Mk 2's and Buckmarks or certain other groups will cry foul play and this leak is an attempt to pressure DOJ into changing "list" before it's too late
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You reckon wrong Bunny.
It's unofficial because it's not finalised. It can still be modified. So feedback would be useful.
But we've got permission to reproduce it here.
Somehow I doubt Des had similar permission
Unless you know differently, of course Bunny 0 -
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You reckon wrong Bunny.
Moi, wrong :eek:It's unofficial because it's not finalised. It can still be modified. So feedback would be useful.
Plenty of feedback has been given by non ISSF groups, wasn't listened to by the looks of it :rolleyes:But we've got permission to reproduce it here.
Why "anonymous" source then ?Somehow I doubt Des had similar permission
Maybe he did ?Unless you know differently, of course Bunny
I know lots of things you're not the only one with a deep throat contact/s 0 -
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Airsoft and paintball would disagree...bunny shooter wrote: »Plenty of feedback has been given by non ISSF groups, wasn't listened to by the looks of it :rolleyes:
Because when you attach a name to something like that, you create the risk that their boss will be embarressed by some tabloid press article.Why "anonymous" source then ?
Before the rest of the FCP? After his speech back at the start of the FCP process where it was "we're all in this as one united front lads, no solo runs, no backstabbing, one for all and all for one"?Maybe he did ?
(I'm paraphrasing there, you understand, but that's the gist of it).
Decidedly not, but it seems you don't want to share. Inneundo and rumour and mudslinging, yeah, you've given us that in spades. But where's the useful stuff?I know lots of things you're not the only one with a deep throat contact/s 0 -
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Airsoft and paintball would disagree...
And that makes the demonising of Ruger MK 2 & 3's and Buckmarks and other .22 pistol ok ? As these (Airsoft and paintball) are not real firearms I don't see what they have to do with anything on this forum.Because when you attach a name to something like that, you create the risk that their boss will be embarressed by some tabloid press article.
So we have your word it has come from DOJ, which for the record is fine BUT I wonder why they allowed you to publish it without their bosses approval? Surely their boss might know it's here and their boss may be less than pleased at having to explain to their boss that they have a leak ?Before the rest of the FCP? After his speech back at the start of the FCP process where it was "we're all in this as one united front lads, no solo runs, no backstabbing, one for all and all for one"?
(I'm paraphrasing there, you understand, but that's the gist of it).
Wasn't there for that speech
Don't know if he stuck to the sentiment or if the others involved did either.Decidedly not, but it seems you don't want to share.
I will when the time is right as you have promised to do too hope you haven't forgotten Inneundo and rumour and mudslinging, yeah, you've given us that in spades.
You know as well as I do that is not true :P just more smoke & mirrors :rolleyes:But where's the useful stuff?
I thought the revelation of the list of photos was useful seen as a lot of them are on the new list from the DOJ aw well ....... 0 -
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typical bloody irishbunny shooter wrote: »Major "copy" & "paste" job from somewhere it seems :rolleyes: 0 -
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Bunny, what revelation? RRPC and myself posted the list you're talking about last year.
Agreed. After continously denying there was any kind of list at all for quite a long time :P Will dig up the thread now I have a bit of time to killAnd how could Des have stuck to that sentiment and write the public letters he's written?
As to why we've been given this stuff to publish? Well, it sounds arrogant, but this place has become one of the most widely-read information sources for shooting in Ireland. If it shows up here, pretty soon it's reached a lot of shooters. Which is handy when stuff is changing like it is now. So the DoJ are making use of that. And they're not the only government department to do so - other forums on this site have had similar levels of contact from officialdom.
Agreed. This is an excellent source of info and a lot of shooters would be lost without it and you more than most make it what it is
Pity more of the major players in this situation don't use it to get across their viewpoints :P0 -
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Liarbunny shooter wrote: »Agreed. After continously denying there was any kind of list at all for quite a long time :P You're talking about different lists.
Here, I'll save you the trouble: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55612757Will dig up the thread now I have a bit of time to kill
It's simple enough - he started preaching unity and then didn't follow through with the idea in his public actions and statements.
I've said that myself on here once or twice!Pity more of the major players in this situation don't use it to get across their viewpoints :P0 -
Liar You're talking about different lists.Here, I'll save you the trouble: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55612757!
You call me a "Liar" ? :rolleyes: Pot & kettle :P
I stated that a "list" was submitted to DOJ. Following repeated denials from you and RRPC that no list was submitted ye admitted that a list of "photos" was submitted. So a list of photos is not a list :eek: :rolleyes:It's simple enough - he started preaching unity and then didn't follow through with the idea in his public actions and statements.!
He's very bold :PI've said that myself on here once or twice!
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Eh - hello! The Browning Buckmark, Sig Trailside/Hammerli eXesse are on the list on the NTSA website. They have been used quite successfully in local competitions, although their long-term viability in a mature competition environment is doubtful.bunny shooter wrote: »Agreed but a lot, dare I say the majority, of pistol shooters are NOT ISSF members though.
What would the NASPRC members consider appropiate rimfire pistols? Probably Ruger Mark 2 & 3's and the Browning Buckmarks, which according to some of the ISSF members here would be suitable as entry level pistol for ISSF pistol shooting. So why are these not on the list ?
As to why they are not on the DoJ SI list - then you need to ask elsewhere 0 -
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Again, Liar! That is not what you stated! Bunny, it's up there in black and white - you stated that a list was submitted of the firearms that an NGB thought were the only ones that anyone needed. The lists myself and rrpc posted were (a) not actually lists of pistols - one was a summary of the calibres and actions used in ISSF shooting and one was a page of photos of example pistols used, no implication was given that these were the only things suited for everyone and in fact the photos were stressed as being a small sample of even the firearms we used, let alone what everyone else used; and (b) they went in to the DoJ prior to the founding of the FCP under a different Minister.bunny shooter wrote: »I stated that a "list" was submitted to DOJ.
Awww, bless.He's very bold :P
Hey, how about he shows up for a group hug with the IPSA lads and we all forgive and forget? Sound good?
Really? Folks get banned for disagreement, eh?You have However they'd get banned if they disagreed with you
Odd that, I thought you had to break the rules of the forum to be banned even for a short period of time; and to get properly banned you had to do something like, oh I don't know, threaten to sue boards.ie ltd unless the shooting forum was shut down. Or other stupid anti-shooting things like that. But hey, what would I know...0 -
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Max calibre in what match? (ISSF isn't just the one kind of shooting).tonysopprano wrote: »What is the max calibre in ISSf and why are these on neither list?
10m Air Pistol: 0.177
10m Air Rifle: 0.177
25m and 50m Smallbore Pistol: 0.22lr (odd that, for a smallbore match...)
50m Smallbore Rifle: 0.22lr
25m Fullbore Pistol: 0.38
300m Rifle: 8mm
Shotgun: 0.729
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Again, Liar! That is not what you stated! Bunny, it's up there in black and white - you stated that a list was submitted of the firearms that an NGB thought were the only ones that anyone needed. The lists myself and rrpc posted were (a) not actually lists of pistols - one was a summary of the calibres and actions used in ISSF shooting and one was a page of photos of example pistols used, no implication was given that these were the only things suited for everyone and in fact the photos were stressed as being a small sample of even the firearms we used, let alone what everyone else used; and (b) they went in to the DoJ prior to the founding of the FCP under a different Minister.
Awww, bless..
Seems I wasn't too far off :P looking at the OP on this thread :cool:
If ye added "Glocks" they'd probably be OK in the Ministers eyes tooHey, how about he shows up for a group hug with the IPSA lads and we all forgive and forget? Sound good??
:cool:Really? Folks get banned for disagreement, eh? Odd that, I thought you had to break the rules of the forum to be banned even for a short period of time; and to get properly banned you had to do something like, oh I don't know, threaten to sue boards.ie ltd unless the shooting forum was shut down. Or other stupid anti-shooting things like that. But hey, what would I know...
Calling people a liar twice in as many posts, when you know it's not a lie, would lead to some people getting upset and loosing their tempers and posting something in the heat of the moment and subsequently allowing you to ban them, not that that's what your trying to do
So I think we shall have to agree to differ on the defination of a "list" 0 -
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tonysopprano wrote: »So the list "that never was" has resurfaced in a revised format.
Funny that the NTSA website and DOJ list only list pellet guns and specially designed .22 pistols.
What is the max calibre in ISSF and why are these on neither list?
Bunny, dont alwas agree with you, but Mulder and Scully should be consulted.
The truth is out there You just gotta look 0 -
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Aaarrgh! - look again at the NTSA website! The centrefire pistols used in ISSF competitions are listed there. Calibre used is .32 wadcutter. Why do you keep asking on boards why such and such is not on the DoJ list - ask them!
We shall wait and see whats on the next list from the DOJ these will be centrefire so won't be on this list
Be weird if it's another "copy" & "paste" job though 0 -
Whabunny shooter wrote: »We shall wait and see whats on the next list from the DOJ these will be centrefire so won't be on this list
Be weird if it's another "copy" & "paste" job though 0 -
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Bunny, you weren't even close.bunny shooter wrote: »Seems I wasn't too far off
Or I can just search your posts and quote what you posted before.So I think we shall have to agree to differ on the defination of a "list"
The first mention of the list you're talking about came from Double Alpha:
And here's your description of it:Double-Alpha wrote:a certain group sometime ago sent in a list with specifications of particular handguns to the DOJ and said that they were the only type of handguns that they thought should be used for target shooting in Ireland.
It's utterly impossible that that could be describing the list of equipment rules posted by rrpc or the sheet of photos posted by me; firstly because those had been with the DoJ since around 2004 (which you'll note is a fair while before the founding of the FCP); and secondly because those photos were stressed at the time as being nothing more than a sample of some of the pistols we used. The point that there were far more in use by others was made at the time. And the NTSA was bloody anxious to avoid being asked for a list from the DoJ because it'd be a pita to prepare and maintain.Bunny Shooter wrote:a list of a certain type of pistol/s was handed to DOJ and/or the FCP by certain people involved in the FCP without the agreement and/or knowledge of other FCP participants
But I think you don't really care about that, to be honest. Because back then, all this was explained to you, very clearly. Here and here. But you decided that it was more fun to insinuate there was something cloak-and-dagger going on. To troll the forum, basicly.0 -
Now I know how poor Scully must feel :P So much information & disinformation and then she sees something with her own eyes and she just doesn't know what/who to believe
Selective quotes from the thread don't give the whole picture
I have progressed from a liar to a troll
I have got rid of my pistols and Sparks one is safe so why are we bothered ?
The only people who will loose out are those who don't want to shoot ISSF, which according to the Minister is the only type of shooting that should be allowed
Anyone know where I can get quick-drying paint and a pellet gun ? 0 -
I doubt there'll be any such list, as centrefire pistols are specifically prohibited, regardless if they're 'designed for' Olympic competition or not.bunny shooter wrote: »We shall wait and see whats on the next list from the DOJ these will be centrefire so won't be on this list
Which leads to an interesting conundrum: the ISSF administer a fair few shooting disciplines that don't currently feature in the Olympic programme, centrefire pistol, and centrefire rifle stuff particularly.
If I recollect correctly, the IOC have put a ceiling on the number of sports they're willing to include in both the Winter and Summer Games programmes; essentially, if a new sport is to be introduced, an existing one has to be dropped.
Shooting disciplines have been getting whittled away steadily over the last few decades, with the shotgun sports and the air and smallbore pistol and rifle sports the only ones remaining at this stage.
Look at the carry on over in the U.K. over the shooting events in the upcoming 2012 games, and it's not outside the bounds of possibility to consider that the IOC may decide that shooting (of the pistol and rifle varieties anyway) is more trouble than it's worth and that they'll get more kudos and television coverage to sell by dropping them in favour of something more 'sellable' to the worldwide television audience.
So, if an 'Olympic' stage no longer exists (as opposed to an 'ISSF' one) for these particular pistol sports, will they then loose their exemption as detailed in the Statutory Instrument?0 -
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