** Viewing scripts / Appeals process **

Tinfoil_

Apparently computation of marks must also go through the appeals route and the results dont come out earlier than mid-october!

ambyangel

internetaddict wrote: »

They got me on that one as well.. all the marks I lost in written except for 5 were because of that kind of correction. I just sat there laughing at it but if I really needed more points I'd have been crushed..

I lost out on my course because of french:(

ironictoaster

Gavin shels wrote: »

When do we find out about our appeals?

Mid October.

cazzzzz

ambyangel wrote: »

the french marking scheme was a ****ing disgrace!!!

one answer I had was "she puts them in the bin" but I got 0 because they wanted "she puts them straight in the bin":mad::rolleyes:

Totally agree the french this year was absolutely ridiculous,i said for one part she set up an association for the homeless the answer was she set up an organisation/charity for the homeless and i got 0 like i'm just sick of it all to to be honest.There were so many answers like that on my aural and i got 0 so unfair.

ambyangel

cazzzzz wrote: »

Totally agree the french this year was absolutely ridiculous,i said for one part she set up an association for the homeless the answer was she set up an organisation/charity for the homeless and i got 0 like i'm just sick of it all to to be honest.There were so many answers like that on my aural and i got 0 so unfair.

same here!
I wish I never did french!
I would have a course now and not have to do a PLC!!!:mad:

RandomIrl

I went down from an A2in mocks to B3 in LC in french, luckily still got my course, but i found the actual LC supposedly 'easier' than the mocks (i guess not) i didnt check my paper but i presume it was the same things as you guys, with just little things, i reckon what happened was they realised the paper was quite manageable got a good few high grades and amended the marking schemes to make them pernickity and do bring down the high grades...(some years even the really vague answers are given some if not all the marks) now i know theres no way i was going to get an A1/2 from a B3 but i thought the paper had gone really really well.. obviously not though.. French was my lowest grade, kinda gets to me a bit because i worked hard in it. but sure, what can ya do i suppose!

Ebay Affiliate

Tinfoil_ wrote: »

Apparently computation of marks must also go through the appeals route and the results dont come out earlier than mid-october!

My techer told me it should be done quicker because its only adding up error and should not be recheck fully.
I got 395 and with this error hopefully I will get 400 and get in to the course I want but I am still not sure I will get in with 400.

MathsManiac

Ebay Affiliate wrote: »

My teacher told me it should be done quicker because its only adding up error and should not be recheck fully.
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No; Tinfoil was correct. The fast-track mechanism really only applies to cases where the total mark on the front of the script does not correspond with the grade you are issued. This is handled by people in Athlone who are not examiners. It can basically only resolve errors made in transferring the mark from the script to the marking sheet and then on to the computer system.

Anything that requires a person who knows something about the structure of the paper to fix must be referred to an examiner and therefore has to go through the normal appeals process. (A person who wasn't an examiner is not qualified to determine which particular marks in the right hand margin are meant to be included in the question total, and which particular question totals are to be included in the final total.)

A Neurotic

I just remembered this today and laughed: After essentially ignoring the Irish Music essays for the guts of 2 years, I got full marks in mine on the day My only preparation was reading a Sean O Riada essay from 5th year before going into the exam centre (in which I'd made up all the dates and names) and hearing my friend spit out some dates and facts literally as we were sitting down to do the paper. My teacher was impressed and said it's very hard to get full marks in the essay. Hurray for blind luck!

Ebay Affiliate

That means then I will have to wait untill mid october.I am starting my computer enterprise course in DCU on 22 september.When my points are hopefully changed in my recheck do I just transfer to my other course Marketing innovation technology also in DCU?

pjtb

Ebay Affiliate wrote: »

That means then I will have to wait untill mid october.I am starting my computer enterprise course in DCU on 22 september.When my points are hopefully changed in my recheck do I just transfer to my other course Marketing innovation technology also in DCU?

If there are spaces in the Marketing course, or if they are willing to accomodate you, you can move to it. Otherwise they'll offer you a place that you can take up in the next academic year (Sept 1010).

randylonghorn

Not a guarantee, but the fact that they're in the same college probably makes it more likely ...

Saul-Good

Haha upon viewing one of scripts from maths I was surprised with one of my answers, I totally forgot about this. Differentiation,Q8 part (c) it was that last awkward question, I didn't have a hope of getting right so I just wrote "Yes, because..." got 2 marks out of 5 for it. DELIGHTED!

History was marked really hard I noticed, it was mostly a train wreck for me with my project being my only saving grace by helping me get a C3. The mark I got on the one essay I was very happy with was in no way what I expected, not very high at all, considering it was basically the same B2 essay I wrote in the mocks.

Screw it anyway! All this English Paper 2 and marking crap doesn't matter any more, it was a fun ride while it lasted, college awaits:cool:

Ebay Affiliate

Geography was marked really hard aswell.I was expecting a B1 or higher and ended up with a C1.Still dont understand why I only got a C1 it was the best paper I did and was really pleased with it and the project.Should of appealed it.

Ebay Affiliate

pjtb wrote: »

If there are spaces in the Marketing course, or if they are willing to accomodate you, you can move to it. Otherwise they'll offer you a place that you can take up in the next academic year (Sept 1010).

Its 400 points and and 35 places available.Hopefully they can accommodate one more person.

happyturtle

I have one question regarding viewing scripts - does anyone know if they can be viewed only in September? I applied to view all of my papers last year and one of them never arrived - i was surprised by the low mark i received and really wanted to see the script. Anyway, I'm repeating this year and I would really like to see what went wrong, especially that the exam was really easy and there is not much info about this subject syllabus on their website... Can I somehow apply and go to view it now?

spurious

happyturtle wrote: »

I have one question regarding viewing scripts - does anyone know if they can be viewed only in September? I applied to view all of my papers last year and one of them never arrived - i was surprised by the low mark i received and really wanted to see the script. Anyway, I'm repeating this year and I would really like to see what went wrong, especially that the exam was really easy and there is not much info about this subject syllabus on their website... Can I somehow apply and go to view it now?

There won't be any of last year's scripts still around. The SEC couldn't possibly store them all. Once the appeals process was over, they would have been pulped.

They are only available to view on the day and times specified.

happyturtle

Thank you spurious
I will contact them then and ask for more info about the subject...

rainbowtrout

happyturtle wrote: »

Thank you spurious
I will contact them then and ask for more info about the subject...

What was the subject? It could have simply been mislaid...no good to you of course but when you have about 60000 people doing on average 7 exams, some of them with 2 papers and various other components, law of averages would suggest that a few papers will end up in the wrong envelopes at some stage.

i know one student in my school applied to view 4 or 5 papers, one of them didn't turn up at the viewing - DCG - and when the SEC were contacted they weren't able to locate it at the time, don't know what the outcome was there.

but as spurious said, you won't be able to view last years papers now, they've probably been recycled at this stage.

happyturtle

It was polish... I know that mistakes can happen it just that I really want to know what was wrong there, as the mark I received was surprisingly low - B3. I got better mark in honors English than in Polish, which is very unusual and I have finished my secondary education in Poland, passing polish lc with good marks... When I was looking for any info about the requirements for the exam all they told me was that I have to have good understanding of the language - which I surely have... And I can't really ask at school as I'm doing it as an external student. Thanks for help anyway

jumpguy

rainbowtrout wrote: »

What I will say though is the head examiner has to write a report on the standard of correction by each of his examiners. A poor corrector may not be asked to correct again the following year.

I realise this is an old thread but I don't think much has changed since 2009! Out of curiosity, are appeal results taken into account when the standard of correction is being determined? For example, if an examiner corrected an inordinate amount of scripts that were upgraded/downgraded on appeal, would that be taken into account?

spurious

happyturtle wrote: »

It was polish... I know that mistakes can happen it just that I really want to know what was wrong there, as the mark I received was surprisingly low - B3. I got better mark in honors English than in Polish, which is very unusual and I have finished my secondary education in Poland, passing polish lc with good marks... When I was looking for any info about the requirements for the exam all they told me was that I have to have good understanding of the language - which I surely have... And I can't really ask at school as I'm doing it as an external student. Thanks for help anyway

A higher mark in English than your native language is certainly unusual. You should have appealed that, even without seeing the paper.
Unfortunately it's too late now.

I know from speaking to students who sat Polish and didn't do so well, the examiners want well written Polish and are not very tolerant of sloppy mistakes. They would rather people write to the standard of "Gazeta Wyborcza" rather than "Fakt", if you know what I mean. Had you been reading good quality written Polish before you sat the exam?

Would you consider re-sitting it? It is always possible the marks were added incorrectly.

spurious

jumpguy wrote: »

I realise this is an old thread but I don't think much has changed since 2009! Out of curiosity, are appeal results taken into account when the standard of correction is being determined? For example, if an examiner corrected an inordinate amount of scripts that were upgraded/downgraded on appeal, would that be taken into account?

The checks that happen during the marking process usually weed out someone who is correcting too easily or strictly. It would be very unusual for it not to be noticed before the appeal stage.

happyturtle

spurious wrote: »

A higher mark in English than your native language is certainly unusual. You should have appealed that, even without seeing the paper.
Unfortunately it's too late now.

I know from speaking to students who sat Polish and didn't do so well, the examiners want well written Polish and are not very tolerant of sloppy mistakes. They would rather people write to the standard of "Gazeta Wyborcza" rather than "Fakt", if you know what I mean. Had you been reading good quality written Polish before you sat the exam?

Would you consider re-sitting it? It is always possible the marks were added incorrectly.

I didn't appeal it last year as I was missing way too much points, and I'm repeating this year, all 7 subjects That's the point really, I would like to know what was wrong with my writing last year, so I can do better this June.

My Polish writing is rather good, I read lots of books and newspapers (and stay away from Fakt and alike), and I passed polish leaving cert a few years back - and I got B. The paper itself was pretty easy too, the only thing I can really think about is that my answers might be a bit too long, in the part where they don't tell you how long they should be. Can they take points for that?

spurious

happyturtle wrote: »

My Polish writing is rather good, I read lots of books and newspapers (and stay away from Fakt and alike), and I passed polish leaving cert a few years back - and I got B. The paper itself was pretty easy too, the only thing I can really think about is that my answers might be a bit too long, in the part where they don't tell you how long they should be. Can they take points for that?

It's not specifically mentioned in the marking scheme and really you would have to go WAY over the limit for it to be a problem.

You may have already seen this from the marking scheme but these are the instructions to the examiner:
Uwaga:
Następujące elementy będą brane pod uwagę przy przyznawaniu punktów w części II i III:
1. Przejrzystość celu – kandydat zrozumiał pytanie i wie, jak podejść do udzielenia odpowiedzi – 30%
2. Spójność wypowiedzi – kandydat dobiera właściwy materiał, korzystając z niego w uporządkowany i celowy sposób – 30%
3. Znajomość języka – kandydat wykazuje na tyle dobrą znajomość języka, by w sposób jasny i w miarę płynny przekazać treść – 30%
4. Zasady – gramatyka i ortografia – 10%

As I said, they may have miscalculated your marks.

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