dundalk-drogheda relations

garrincha62

KK, a response to your post 57 dear.



To reiterate Southlouthtype’s point, Drogheda was continually overlooked during the 1980s and 1990s in terms of investment and employment opportunities. I seem to recall a border county initiative a few years back focusing on FDI and funding for the 6 border counties. It brought big factories to the Dundalk region, Deputies Ahern & Kirk looking after their own.
It is only since the boom that swathes of ‘blow-ins’ have moved to Drogheda and swelled the population of the town to such an extent that even the County Councillors in Dundalk realised that Drogheda needed funding for amenities.

IMO The reason why there has been massive development in the centre of the town (a hotel – [the second in the town centre, such development!] two shopping centres and the pedestrianisation of West Street*- is because retailers had a look at the population figures, did a wee bit of market research and had a Eureka moment.
- Hmmm, significant population increase? Check
- young professionals with expendable income moving to Drogheda? Check

Result = more shops and a town easier to attract business. Check out the figures from Census 2006. It is a good resource which reflects the growing population trends the Drogheda area has experienced in recent years.


* Complete with Road and benches removed for parking.

3/1 to Dundalk? Seamus Kirk covers mid-louth, Ardee and Dunleer/Clogherhead. Not a Dundalk man. In fact, voters in these regions were urged to give him First preference for obvious strategical reasons.

I would not think Mark Deary would have any preference either way, seeing as he is the sole Green Party rep which consequently will have no political advantage in siding for either town. In fact his election campaign was noteable for the fact that it was one of the few that covered the whole county.

Oh and Louth will be a 5-seater next time, with the addition of the scummy Meath side of Drogheda to help you along.

How is that fair for Dundalk etc. etc...ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Seamus Kirk is a FF party man with a solid base in north Louth. If the state Clogherhead is in is anything to go by, it seems the further south his constituency covers, the less he gives two fcuks.

As for Mark Deary, I would hardly call handing out a few leaflets 2 weeks before the election in Drogheda a county wide campaign. However, I do agree that our politicians rarely have the vision, verve or ability to look beyond their own fiefdoms. O’Dowd, in a Godreyesque way, focuses almost entirely on Drogheda, usually citing how the town is neglected-he could be hurt when Louth is a 5-seater.

Ahern must have missed the geography class when they did the towns of Ireland, cos I’d bet my left bollock he couldn’t locate Drogheda on a map. In fairness to Nash, I don’t think Labour have traditionally held a decent support base in Dundalk, partly due to its proximity to Norn Iron, penchant for harbouring bomb makers and blinkered vision of Republican Socialism as opposed to actual socialism, in general, IMO.

Just to back up the point that the South Louth/East Meath region has been underrepresented and underdeveloped in favour of Dundalk and even Navan by our esteemed & highly educated overlords, I would suggest taking a look at the 2007 Election the Constituency Commission. Here is the map that shows Louth’s pending annexation of dirty Meaths east coast.

Until Ireland has a parties that are split on ideological grounds as opposed to two big groups of right of centre eejits on the same side but against each other at the same time, towns like Drogheda will suffer when its bigger neighbour has more representation. Cronyism will continue and politics will stay local. Us younger generations need to look at how it can go wrong (Bell, Ahern) and sort this out.

And remember, always flush twice, Meathmen will eat anything. Us Wee men should remember who the common enemy is and pool our resources for the greater good.

andr3w103

southlouth type wrote: »

poor old clogherhead is even more neglected than south louth by those in Dundalk :rolleyes:

thats because c*********d is a hole........lmao

furiousox

doncarlos wrote: »

Well why not apply the same logic to International football?

Can I start following Brazil or Italy because they play a better brand of football than Ireland do? Imagine the comments you'd get if you started saying that!

Agreed, but yes of course you can, surely you can follow whoever you like (as long as you're genuinely committed) without having to seek the approval of others?

l'm not ltalian but l follow Ferrari in Formula One.

The way l see it there are no "rules" if you have a genuine interest in something.

I'm from Dundalk and support Dundalk. Our friends down the M1 are from Drogheda and support Drogheda. I don't see what your problem is with that.

l have no problem with that at all, it just doesn't interest me one way or the other. You seem to have a problem with me supporting a team that isn't Drogheda Utd.

The rivalry we feel for each other is also infinity more than you could feel for a Man City supporter. For example when Drogheda won the league there was a billboard put up in the centre of Dundalk saying you ain't seen nothing yet. Although genius and funny as hell it pissed most Dundalk fans off myself included. Would you get annoyed if Man City won the league and put a billboard up in Manchester city centre?

A bit, yeah.

The problem is that even after 88 years we are still under British rule when it comes to the media and sport.

With respect, l find that a bit small minded.
lt's up to the individual to inform themselves and there are numerous sources of international media available nowadays.

Our kids are brainwashed at a young age by the bright lights of the Premier League.

There's an element of truth there but l would have thought most kids get involved with their local GAA club at a young age which would be their primary interest.

...........by the bright lights of the Premier League.
l've been following Utd since 1977 which is well before premier league, sky sports etc.
You may not approve of my support for utd but can you at least accept that its genuine?

And no its not abu it's I get annoyed when English football supporters feel superior and try to belittle League of Ireland supporters.

l personally don't feel superior but you have to agree that the quality of football in the english premier league is superior to the lrish league.
l respect you for supporting your local team but as l've said its just not for me.
Anyway l think we're drifting further off thread topic here so maybe we can agree that we are both full time supporters of our own particular teams.

Kenteach

Don't you just love supporters of foreign teams trying to justify their 'genuineness'!!

As for the actual point of this thread, there really isn't much of a 'hatred' between Dundalk and Drogheda, mainly empty banter. Of course there is rivalry between the soccer supporters, just as there is between the GAA and rugby players who represent clubs from each town, etc.
The political thing is much more intriguing. It is an undeniable fact (even Ahern will agree - he's on the record) that the minister favoured Dundalk. Its where most of his votes come from so its a no-brainer. His complete disregard for anything south of Dundalk is unfortunate but mirrored nationwide. All politicians from all parties would do the exact same thing, to argue otherwise is folly. The unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on where you are coming from) thing is that is was actually Drogheda votes that got Ahern elected in the first place!! And Drogheda votes have continued to be cast for northern based candidates in far greater numbers than Dundalk votes coming the other way. So, in effect, you reap what you sow.

Kalashnikov_Kid

Garrincha with all due respect Im not going to attempt a response to whatever that was?!?

Maybe you could read my post #57 - another rebuttal to southlouth's types, then you could edit your post accordingly.

And take into account that - you completely missed the irony of my East Meath reference at the end - I thought I had made it clear with all my ZZZZzzzzs - Read it again - I was making a point that there are two sides to this coin- both can be argued as equally just in its own right, but neither are conducive to optimal planning and investment for all involved. i.e. a never-ending circle of tit-for-tat gombeen dick-swinging that ultimately gets nowhere.

furiousox

Kenteach wrote: »

Don't you just love supporters of foreign teams trying to justify their 'genuineness'!!

Whats wrong with Ferrari???

furiousox

Kenteach wrote: »

Don't you just love supporters of foreign teams trying to justify their 'genuineness'!!

And if you're going to be so jingoistic about it maybe you should stop watching BBC, stop reading the "lrish" Daily Mirror and start speaking as gaeilge all the time?

Kenteach

furiousox wrote: »

And if you're going to be so jingoistic about it maybe you should stop watching BBC, stop reading the "lrish" Daily Mirror and start speaking as gaeilge all the time?

You are actually spot on. We are an incredibly anglicised country. In many ways its to our benefit, but in relation to the development of acceptable media, indiginous tv, mainstream sport, etc, we are glorified cheer leaders.

southlouth type

furiousox wrote: »

l personally don't feel superior but you have to agree that the quality of football in the english premier league is superior to the lrish league.

I agree the quality of the Irish leauge is **** :rolleyes: but the Leauge of Ireland has been getting progressively better since the introduction of summer football and full time teams .And i dont buy the whole argument of supporting english football because its better quality .Irish football will never reach its potential if people like you decide to support british teams instead of your own .Its sad

ANTIFA!

The League of Ireland doesn't consist of wonderful athleticism of the English League, the quality of football of La Liga but you know what most leagues in Europe don't. Still the people of these countries get out there and support their teams.

furiousox, its all well and good saying football is an 'international' sport and in ways you're right, I follow teams outside of Ireland and try get to other countries to watch games but actually being at live games with other supporters every week(or as much as possible) is such a different feeling.

Ask fans in Manchester or any English club why they support their teams? Its not because Torres or Rooney plays for them but because this is the team of their part of the city. It represents them!!!

Id say primarly I go to LOI for the banter, for the sense of belonging but having said that quality can be found in the League. Just last year you could have seen Keith Fahey play in the flesh, the same Fahey who was performing in Old Trafford very well at the start of the season. Brian Murphy a great keeper. Gary Deegan, who if was around 20 years ago I believe could have been a Roy Keane type, Brian Shelley a top player as well.

Wouldn't it be so great if we could get crowds in Ireland like they get in Norway and Scotland? I just wish we could see it but for some reason the Irish people don't care. Maby they want to be seen as 'real' fans of their English clubs and feel supporting Irish teams will somehow make their link to the English team they picked not as strong as they want it to be. Look at the soccer forum on here for example, no discussion of the League of this country despite the fact it ran over the summer when basically most of the Leagues in Europe weren't on. This is a strange cultural phenomenon.

It is annoying because I want to see football in Ireland strive. I'd love if Irish players could stay at home rather than moving to second rate English teams. I'd love if we could bring in some quality South Americans. I'd love if we could add a more casual fan base as we already have hardcore support in League.

I'd love if the League was a success. I'd love if the Irish just got out there and supported Irish clubs.

Why can't we have it here? Why do the Irish continue to reject their League?

furiousox

l can't argue with any of that, antifa & southlouthtype.:(

l think the LOI is unfortunate because the Premier League is so accessible now (cheap flights etc) but you've raised an interesting point there regarding the Norwegian and Scottish leagues.
l would guess that English football is just as popular in Norway as it is here but the Norwegian league is in pretty good shape attendance wise.

l think we've drifted quite a bit from the original thread topic so maybe we should start a new thread on this subject and hand back to the original Drogheda vs Dundalk rivalry issue now!:)

ANTIFA!

Yeah sorry you come across good, its just people who think of the English League as ours that get to me and have this condesending view towards the League. Theres more important things to worry about after all its only football.

doncarlos

furiousox wrote: »

Don't you just love supporters of foreign teams trying to justify their 'genuineness'!!

And if you're going to be so jingoistic about it maybe you should stop watching BBC, stop reading the "lrish" Daily Mirror and start speaking as gaeilge all the time?

Of course I watch the BBC but I also watch RTE as well as download a number of American TV shows. If you would like to use the BBC as an analogy to football then by following Man United you watch the BBC and the BBC only

I am fluent in Irish and I never buy English newspapers. I buy local and read the rest online.

furiousox

l'm happy to continue the discussion but as l said above.....

l think we've drifted quite a bit from the original thread topic so maybe we should start a new thread on this subject and hand back to the original Drogheda vs Dundalk rivalry issue now!