Photo used in Hot Press....

AnimalRights

Armed police bla bla, not sure if it's in the paper edition that you buy in Easons and all good book shops! :P

http://www.hotpress.com/Paranoid%20Visions/news/Punk%20singer%20in%20airport%20security%20alert/5737152.html

ps I was not asked for use of this but since I am PV's photographer I assume none of us care!

Tallon

Great shot

Paulw

AnimalRights wrote: »

Armed police bla bla, not sure if it's in the paper edition that you buy in Easons and all good book shops! :P

http://www.hotpress.com/Paranoid%20Visions/news/Punk%20singer%20in%20airport%20security%20alert/5737152.html

ps I was not asked for use of this but since I am PV's photographer I assume none of us care!

Nice photo.

*cough* credit not given to photographer *cough*
*cough* copyright - payment for use *cough*

iamnothim

ah yeah, i have at least one photo in nearly every hotpress. two in this months one i think. never been credited, never been paid. happy days

(they always end up in there through press releases from bands)

Dodgykeeper

iamnothim wrote: »

ah yeah, i have at least one photo in nearly every hotpress. two in this months one i think. never been credited, never been paid. happy days

(they always end up in there through press releases from bands)

I can understand this as surely the bands are quite happy with the exposure they are getting from being in Hot Press and you are getting Paid (in some way) by the band!

But why dont they give a credit?

thebaz

Good man Janer - nice photo

AnimalRights

I bit the bullet and spent €3.50 on Hot Press today and It's in there on page 17 with full name credit.
I had trouble finding it as I was looking for a newspaper, I was informed it changed to magazine format a long time back.

I must've been feeling fairly flush as I even bought a Camera magazine for €5.50!!

Mycroft H

AnimalRights wrote: »

I bit the bullet and spent €3.50 on Hot Press today and It's in there on page 17 with full name credit.
I had trouble finding it as I was looking for a newspaper, I was informed it changed to magazine format a long time back.

I must've been feeling fairly flush as I even bought a Camera magazine for €5.50!!

Amatuer Photographer is only 3.50, you got ripped off

Anyway, well done AR, good shot too :pac:

Eirebear

Nice one fella!

"Aoife Destruction" thats a stroke of genius that is!

fluffyVW

Nice one Janer!!! Its a great shot

smelltheglove

Do you know what Aoifes surname is and is she from Cabra??? Lovely shot, spits of a girl from school.

mrboswell

iamnothim wrote: »

ah yeah, i have at least one photo in nearly every hotpress. two in this months one i think. never been credited, never been paid. happy days

(they always end up in there through press releases from bands)

Fair enough if you want to be a door mat....

smelltheglove

mrboswell wrote: »

Fair enough if you want to be a door mat....

Press releases are a different story, the band has paid for the image specifically for this purpose and the magazine will accept it on the basis that it is supplied by the band and payment is not required. If there is an issue regarding payment it then has to be handled with the band rather than the magazine.

Buzz Lightyear

Well done Janer. Office recognition - your now a pap :-)

AnimalRights

On I phone so can't quote but smelly glove is correct. :-)

trishw78

congrats Janer

mrboswell

smelltheglove wrote: »

Press releases are a different story, the band has paid for the image specifically for this purpose and the magazine will accept it on the basis that it is supplied by the band and payment is not required. If there is an issue regarding payment it then has to be handled with the band rather than the magazine.

AnimalRights wrote: »

On I phone so can't quote but smelly glove is correct. :-)

Exactly - my point is if you don't want to be a door mat have it pre arranged with the band that you have to at least get a credit or whatever you wish.

In this case though it seems boards recognition is enough but that is not the same for everyone.

AnCatDubh

mrboswell wrote: »

Exactly - my point is if you don't want to be a door mat have it pre arranged with the band that you have to at least get a credit or whatever you wish.

In this case though it seems boards recognition is enough but that is not the same for everyone.

I think you are quite correct but if I understand a little about AR, then his particular philosophy/outlook around this stuff is that it is like his punk approach to things - a lot of homegrown suck it and see, informal kinda stuff (note - not attempting to define punk exactly) - soooooooo, then, a recognition in a national title with publication of some of his work, is indeed mighty reward.

I'm not saying its right or wrong - each to their own. In fact I am just waiting for a day when a story will break here about AR making it bigtime somewhere for gig shots and wonder if a stack of euros was put on the table then would he 'sell out' and become a very rich punk.

ps AR - I hope that you do

AnCatDubh

AnCatDubh wrote: »

I think you are quite correct but if I understand a little about AR, then his particular philosophy/outlook around this stuff is that it is like his punk approach to things - a lot of homegrown suck it and see, informal kinda stuff (note - not attempting to define punk exactly) - soooooooo, then, a recognition in a national title with publication of some of his work, is indeed mighty reward.

I'm not saying its right or wrong - each to their own. In fact I am just waiting for a day when a story will break here about AR making it bigtime somewhere for gig shots and wonder if a stack of euros was put on the table then would he 'sell out' and become a very rich punk.

ps AR - I hope that you do

No man, stay true to your core.
Give that money to me, I'll sell out to anyone or anything if the price is right! Therefore, by that logic, I deserve your money!

mrboswell

AnCatDubh wrote: »

I think you are quite correct but if I understand a little about AR, then his particular philosophy/outlook around this stuff is that it is like his punk approach to things - a lot of homegrown suck it and see, informal kinda stuff (note - not attempting to define punk exactly) - soooooooo, then, a recognition in a national title with publication of some of his work, is indeed mighty reward.

I'm not saying its right or wrong - each to their own. In fact I am just waiting for a day when a story will break here about AR making it bigtime somewhere for gig shots and wonder if a stack of euros was put on the table then would he 'sell out' and become a very rich punk.

ps AR - I hope that you do

Totally understand, but maybe he'll start to make it bigtime when Hotpress start giving him the credit for his photos that they publish

sineadw

Had one in HP ther emyself at the start of the month Was a promo shoot I did ages ago for a press pack. The singergave them full details and asked for me to be credited but they didn't. C'est la vie - I still got paid. And its nice to have it on the portfolio.

Congrats Janer Its nice to see it in there isn't it? I even bought a copy myself Which issue are you in?

mrboswell

sineadw wrote: »

Had one in HP ther emyself at the start of the month Was a promo shoot I did ages ago for a press pack. The singergave them full details and asked for me to be credited but they didn't. C'est la vie - I still got paid. And its nice to have it on the portfolio.

Congrats Janer Its nice to see it in there isn't it? I even bought a copy myself Which issue are you in?

The dilemma - singer/band wants publicity but wants to look after the photographer....

Calina

Great stuff AR - it's a nice feeling isn't it?

__________________

Is there any chance that the next time there is a thread on "I got published and I'm happy about it" that no one argues the toss on payment or credit?

Trev M

Photo is great really like it, and I guess well done on the recognition element , do people really rate HP highly?

mrboswell

Calina wrote: »

Great stuff AR - it's a nice feeling isn't it?

__________________

Is there any chance that the next time there is a thread on "I got published and I'm happy about it" that no one argues the toss on payment or credit?

Yes

Dodgykeeper

Calina wrote: »

__________________

Is there any chance that the next time there is a thread on "I got published and I'm happy about it" that no one argues the toss on payment or credit?

Or the next time someone posts a link to a photo comp, no one sees the need to mention the terms and conditions and how crap last years winners were!

sineadw

Trev M wrote: »

do people really rate HP highly?

Personally, no more than any other national magazine, but when you're shooting tiny gigs with mostly unknown bands most of the time its a good feeling

AnCatDubh

Calina wrote: »

Is there any chance that the next time there is a thread on "I got published and I'm happy about it" that no one argues the toss on payment or credit?

Eh....., No..... We're and Irish based forum after all :eek:

/back to the cave

Anouilh

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

Or the next time someone posts a link to a photo comp, no one sees the need to mention the terms and conditions and how crap last years winners were!

Terms and conditions are important, if you want to make sure that the organisers of a competition are not involved in rights grabbing. There was a lot of buzzing round that subject in relation to the National Trust debacle in Spring.

This is a competition related thread and I was unwise to mention "Art" in the title bar as nobody seems to have found it interesting enough to respond. It refers to a competition for art work for the Luas line:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055671142

There are many photographers here whose work would cheer the populace of Dublin if it were posted in Luas stations on a dull Winter's day.

Here's at it...???

Borderfox

Good stuff Janer

Anouilh

AnCatDubh wrote: »

Eh....., No..... We're and Irish based forum after all :eek:

/back to the cave

Just as well, perhaps...

http://www.webvivant.com/NT-rights-grab.html

AR is in very good company, from the style point of view:

http://www.hotpress.com/av/

AnimalRights

Check my pixie!!
I'd like to think that the only gig photographer that I know who I would be similar too for gig shots would be Shay from here.
Most of those pics from EP '08 that you linked too are the ones I detest.....They are geared towards fancy lightwork and mood and not enough from the artist, they are all generic and would capture nothing of the energy and sweat that Punk/Hardcore gigs create.


Probably came out conceited and smug like but commercial music I hate and commercial generic photography of commercial music!