World Championships 2009 - Berlin

walshb

RoyMcC wrote: »

No one believes Ohurugu was guilty of anything other than stupidity at worst.

The BOA didn't see it that way and if three misses is stupidity
to you, then no wonder Athletics will always be tainted with cheats. Finished!

thirtyfoot

walshb wrote: »

It is off topic, I just was surprised. Not now seeing as you put THREE
misses down to being stupid. Talk about gullible....

I was just disappointed with Johnson to be honest.

Conspiracy forum is that a way

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Is it ok if we make this just the gullible thread where we just talk about the athletics and if you want to go OT start a new thread perhaps? My last point on this, but seeing as you aren't as gullible as us I assume you are aware of the number of athletes that were on two failed tests across many sports at the time CO missed her 3rd test. Check it out.

walshb

Tingle wrote: »

Conspiracy forum is that a way

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Is it ok if we make this just the gullible thread where we just talk about the athletics and if you want to go OT start a new thread perhaps? My last point on this, but seeing as you aren't as gullible as us I assume you are aware of the number of athletes that were on two failed tests across many sports at the time CO missed her 3rd test. Check it out.

I was aware, and to all them, I would say the same, cheats....

I only brought it up because I am a big fan of Johnson
and I was very surprised with him being so vocal in
praise and support for an athlete who was found guilty
of offences and suspended. I am for the life ban for doping
offences, I see you aren't!

And your insistence that this belongs in a "conspiracy" forum is
flat out wrong. There was no conspiracy. Christine was guilty and
convicted of her offences.

thirtyfoot

Back on topic , I think Sanya Richards ran the perfect tactical race last night. Its a strategy which I think works best in 400 and I encourage any athletes I train with to follow. She set it up hard, get to max race speed asap. The stagger was almost gone after 80m. She then switched on cruise control down the back straight and although seemed to be losing a little ground kept to the plan. I saw a shot of her at about 180 and she was so easy. She then made her first move as about 220, worked the stagger and led into the home straight. It was then balls to the walls and everything she had. Worked perfect. As MJ might say, its all about race execution.

ecoli

walshb wrote: »

I was aware, and to all them, I would say the same, cheats....

I only brought it up because I am a big fan of Johnson
and I was very surprised with him being so vocal in
praise and support for an athlete who was found guilty
of offences and suspended. I am for the life ban for doping
offences, I see you aren't!

And your insistence that this belongs in a "conspiracy" forum is
flat out wrong. There was no conspiracy. Christine was guilty and
convicted of her offences.

He a BBC pundit talking about a British Olympic gold medallist on a British TV station that answers your question now enough with all the drug talk and back to talk on the amazing performances the championships has produced so far. Hopefully more to come

walshb

ecoli wrote: »

He a BBC pundit talking about a British Athlete that answers your question now enough with all the drug talk and back to talk on the amazing performances the championships has produced so far. Hopefully more to come

No, it doesn't. My issue wasn't that he was talking about her, it was how he was talking about her and how he was in awe and praising her. I mean, if this is the type of role model he sees, then the sport of Athletics is in bad shape...

thirtyfoot

walshb wrote: »

The BOA didn't see it that way and if three misses is stupidity
to you, then no wonder Athletics will always be tainted with cheats. Finished!

I'll come clean here as I always suspected RoyMcC was a dirty cheater b*stard. Apparently he has been pumping all those Crusaders kids with 'roids and EPO. I had a word with him about it but he sees no problem giving a 13 year old shot putter steroids as he says he is willing to take the risks and the rewards are there as she won the Dublin U14 Shot Putt title this year. I did some digging and I found that she is indeed on two missed tests - once when her mum couldn't pick her up from piano lessons on time and the other time when she was staying over at Chloe's house for a sleepover and she didn't notify the ISC. I suppose with this coming to light that its no surprise that RoyMcC is such an apologists for drug cheats like Ohurougu. You are right, with guys like RoyMcC being apologists and allowing drugs foster in our sport, we are finished. I'm off to the store room to hide, someone said they saw Al Guy down in the reception.

walshb

Tingle wrote: »

drug cheats like Ohurougu. .

Now you're making sense! A spade a spade.

As to Sanya, one of the fluid 400 runners I have seen in a long time.
Great win..

thirtyfoot

walshb wrote: »

Tingle, apologies for off topic.... I just had to answer ecoli

Thats fine, I'm not a Mod anyway here so its not my call and you do have the right to reply and we all are still coming in with our add ins after we've promised 'this is my last word on this' bit anyway.

walshb

Tingle wrote: »

Thats fine, I'm not a Mod anyway here so its not my call and you do have the right to reply and we all are still coming in with our add ins after we've promised 'this is my last word on this' bit anyway.

No bother, but like you said, maybe another thread to discuss these issues.

Anyone got contact details for MJ; I want to ask him
to explain why he is so in support of Christine?

thirtyfoot

Great shot of DOR on front page of the sport section of Irish Times, looking very, very good!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0819/1224252872936.html

Kiptanui

Its been a fantastic championships so far with so many highlights!!

Olive Loughnane's silver medal in the 20km walk.
Bolt's 9.58 .... and more to come.
Silver for Tyson Gay in 9.71!
Tari getting amongst the Kenyans in the steeplechase.
Sanya Richards finally delivering on her vast potential in a major championships.
Idowu winning the triple jump in a PB without even placing his foot on the board!
Jessica Ennis dominating from start to finish.
Linet Masai dethroning the Ethiopians in the 10000m.
Bekele demonstrating that he is the greatest distance runner ever with a negative split of 13 mins 05.

unichick

Watched Derval O'Rourke yesterday. It's such a shame RTE aren't out there as hardly got a look at her. And why are the BBC interviewing Canadians and good knows what and not the Irish after the races!

Fingers crossed for Derval today and the two lads. I think she looked fantastic.

thirtyfoot

unichick wrote: »

Watched Derval O'Rourke yesterday. It's such a shame RTE aren't out there as hardly got a look at her. And why are the BBC interviewing Canadians and good knows what and not the Irish after the races!

I think the British part of BBC may be the key point here as its not the IBC. The Canadians may be the favourites in that race so that's why they interview them.

In fairness to BBC, they gave Olive Loughnane great coverage, showing the walk on the Red Button, interviewing her afterwards and showing the medal ceremony.

walshb

According to Paddy Power, Derval is the least favored to win at 200/1....
I want to see her in the final, but I feel she needs a season best performance, and
maybe even a personal best...

shels4ever

Tingle wrote: »

Someone suggested on another thread here that we should have a thread for athletics in the conspiracy forum for all these drugs stories, sounds like a good idea:D I can't believe people are still talking about this, RoyMcC is right.

Can you make thread specific charters so we don't have to talk about drugs in this thread ?

eon1208

The BBC are doing the sport of athletics proud with the depth of their coverage and the quality and diversity of their broadcasters. I just cant believe RTE are virtually ignoring the event. Why I ask, have they no interest, is it lack of money in order to pay an inflated wage bill. Its nothing short of a disgrace... David Gillick deserves to qualify for the final after his superb season but I too am getting a bit worried he may have tried to improve further after his wonderful sub 45's and may have overtrained or something. Holding a peak is incredibly difficult . Just hoping now he is primed and ready for a special run....

walshb

Guys, one thing one has to say about RTE is that they do cover a hell of a lot of sport and although I am pissed that the championships are not on, because we have some real good analysts and commentators, I do feel that finances and recession and audience figures will have had a strong impact here. I just think that in this case, it wasn't financially viable and I would say they did try hard to get it.

The wage bills have been dropping with many taking cuts.

eon1208

We are an advanced country, portrayed as reasonably wealthy, I wonder if the irish attitude is the exception rather than the rule in covering berlin 2009. RTE undoubtedly shows a lot of sport but it is at least 70% GAA, relatively low cost, lots of mediocrity, no real diversity and absoutely no attempt at promoting fringe sports. So I dont buy into the theory that RTE is doing a good job. They have tunnel vision......

runnnerrr

The IAAF are carring out tests to determine the sex of the South African 800m Favorite Caster Semenya!:eek: It's no surprise really as soon as I saw her I was asking the same question.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25950768-11088,00.html

walshb

eon1208 wrote: »

We are an advanced counrty

You haven't been on the M50 then lately.

Anyway, if RTE did a study and found that the viewers didn't match the price
paid for it, then maybe that influenced them. I doubt it was a case of, "feck athletics, athletics is crap and boring."

I am sure it was looked at and maybe the sums didn't add up and they couldn't justify
paying for it

ManFromAtlantis

sorry if mentioned here before.

but wasnt olive loughnane's time amazing for 20km walk.
at approx 1:29 thats a pretty mean 44 30 for 1okm x 2 !!!
i'd never do that running flat out for 20 km.
would she not make a great runner? anyone else actually look at her time and relate it to their own 'running' time ?

Rugger7

I think due to the recession more people would be able to watch it on RTE, not being in work and all!

walshb

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

sorry if mentioned here before.

but wasnt olive loughnane's time amazing for 20km walk.
at approx 1:29 thats a pretty mean 44 30 for 1okm x 2 !!!
i'd never do that running flat out for 20 km.
would she not make a great runner? anyone else actually look at her time and relate it to their own 'running' time ?

Just over a 7 minute mile, feck me, that is something. I always questioned the walking race, was it really walking etc. I admire them, but cannot help but feel that at times, the event is a little ridiculous. I won't turn my nose up to a Silver medal. Excellent result.

I still am trying to run a mile and accurately time myself.
I need a track or a stretch of road that I know is an exact mile

eon1208

walshb wrote: »

You haven't been on the M50 then lately.

Anyway, if RTE did a study and found that the viewers didn't match the price
paid for it, then maybe that influenced them. I doubt it was a case of, "feck athletics, athletics is crap and boring."

I am sure it was looked at and maybe the sums didn't add up and they couldn't justify
paying for it

Sorry...But Ireland is a first world country, cant quite grasp your logic re M50.. Of the 60 million people in the UK, how many actually even know the athletics is on and they have the premiership and cricket as big time alternatives.....The BBC are not robbing peter to pay paul, they are putting on a damn good show,hiring world class athletes as presenters into the bargain and prepared to pay the price. Indigenous media coverage and exposure of a global event like berlin 2009 should be a given. For christs sake we have 3 semi finalists in a 70 minute period tonight in a brutally competitive global sport and we are depending on the BBC to give our heroes a modicum of exposure. Absolute shame on RTE...

walshb

Like I said, I am all for it and am very disappointed, but seriously, from my own experience, anyone I have met barely know the athletics is even on. Too damn
interested in English soccer. Now, taking this into account and the fact that Ireland is not as
successful as the UK in Athletics, then maybe the viewers that RTE will get, cannot justify the expense. This is what it boils down to and I can bet that if RTE really thought that 1-2 million would be tuning in, then they would get the event in. And, take Bolt out, and many who have tuned in wouldn't have at all.

Take last night for example, I bet the vast majority of Irish were
tuned in to that Mickey Mouse, Celtc vs. Arsenal bore fest

This is a business decision and it is not a case of, "feck athletics"

BTW, have RTE ever shown the WC in Athletics, live coverage?
I don't recall, BBC have always been where I saw it

runjb

I think it's a real disgrace from RTE. No one is asking them to give full live coverage of every event but they should have at least have had highlights in the evenings and things to show the public the Irish performers and highlights.

I don't think it's true to say no one watches athletics, I have been talking to a a lot of 'non-athletic' people over the last few days and they told me they hare glued to the BBC watching the WC, they said it's such an exciting sport to watch,with so much going on! And the Bolt factor is certainly a massive attraction, the whole country knows his name and would certainly tune in to watch his class performances.

I am very dissappointed with RTE, we have a new global star who got a small news slot, 3 fine sprinters into world semi-finals and much more to come.

I will be certainly sending them a strong email of complaint and I would encourage others to do the same so at least they might get their act together for Barcelona next year!

the_real_lamp

Is Dave Campbell running the 800m? He is listed to start in heat four. I thought just Chamney got to go.

Lane Bib Athlete Country 2009 PB
1 770 Mohammad Al-Azemi KUW 1:48.64 1:44.13
2 516 Michael Rimmer GBR 1:46.13 1:44.68
3 988 Yuriy Borzakovskiy RUS 1:43.58 1:42.47
4 369 Luis Alberto Marco ESP 1:46.47 1:46.23
5 971 Samson Ngoepe RSA 1:45.17 1:45.17
6 1249 Arnold Sorina VAN 2:10.04 1:51.23
7 257 Gary Reed CAN 1:43.95 1:43.68
8 614 David Campbell IRL 1:45.59 1:45.59

runnnerrr

the_real_lamp wrote: »

Is Dave Campbell running the 800m? He is listed to start in heat four. I thought just Chamney got to go.

Lane Bib Athlete Country 2009 PB
1 770 Mohammad Al-Azemi KUW 1:48.64 1:44.13
2 516 Michael Rimmer GBR 1:46.13 1:44.68
3 988 Yuriy Borzakovskiy RUS 1:43.58 1:42.47
4 369 Luis Alberto Marco ESP 1:46.47 1:46.23
5 971 Samson Ngoepe RSA 1:45.17 1:45.17
6 1249 Arnold Sorina VAN 2:10.04 1:51.23
7 257 Gary Reed CAN 1:43.95 1:43.68
8 614 David Campbell IRL 1:45.59 1:45.59

No Campbell's not running it's just Chamney. I think that the entries had to be in before the nationals, so they had to enter both as they didn't know who was going to win the nationals.

myflipflops

I certainly see where you're coming from but you'll be banging your head against a brick wall. RTE couldn't afford, didn't figure the public interest would be that high and dropped so dropped it. It's annoying but I can see why they made the decision.

They usually do a p**s poor job of covering live athletics anyway (apart from a decent studio panel).

runjb wrote: »

I think it's a real disgrace from RTE. No one is asking them to give full live coverage of every event but they should have at least have had highlights in the evenings and things to show the public the Irish performers and highlights.

I don't think it's true to say no one watches athletics, I have been talking to a a lot of 'non-athletic' people over the last few days and they told me they hare glued to the BBC watching the WC, they said it's such an exciting sport to watch,with so much going on! And the Bolt factor is certainly a massive attraction, the whole country knows his name and would certainly tune in to watch his class performances.

I am very dissappointed with RTE, we have a new global star who got a small news slot, 3 fine sprinters into world semi-finals and much more to come.

I will be certainly sending them a strong email of complaint and I would encourage others to do the same so at least they might get their act together for Barcelona next year!

walshb

runjb wrote: »

I think it's a real disgrace from RTE. No one is asking them to give full live coverage of every event but they should have at least have had highlights in the evenings and things to show the public the Irish performers and highlights.

I don't think it's true to say no one watches athletics, I have been talking to a a lot of 'non-athletic' people over the last few days and they told me they hare glued to the BBC watching the WC, they said it's such an exciting sport to watch,with so much going on! And the Bolt factor is certainly a massive attraction, the whole country knows his name and would certainly tune in to watch his class performances.

I am very dissappointed with RTE, we have a new global star who got a small news slot, 3 fine sprinters into world semi-finals and much more to come.

I will be certainly sending them a strong email of complaint and I would encourage others to do the same so at least they might get their act together for Barcelona next year!

I would say many do watch athletics, but maybe not enough for RTE to justify
covering the championship and covering their costs. They cannot simply show
it just because it's there. It has to be profitable, and I don't think they would
show it otherwise

shels4ever

walshb wrote: »

I would say many do watch athletics, but maybe not enough for RTE to justify
covering the championship and covering their costs. They cannot simply show
it just because it's there. It has to be profitable, and I don't think they would
show it otherwise

I was in a pub yesterday evening and everyone was watching the athletics, just because it was on. It was great to see.

tunguska

Marathon saturday 22nd August at 11:45am

Just to let everybody know that the mens Marathon is on this saturday at 11:45am. Think BBC2 and RTE2 are showing it. No Irish interest but it should be great stuff anyway.

walshb

shels4ever wrote: »

I was in a pub yesterday evening and everyone was watching the athletics, just because it was on. It was great to see.

Yes, JUST because it was on, but somehow me doubts folks would be pleading with Mr Publican to turn it on, or goin' down to the pub to specifically watch it. It happened to be sport that was on, so folks watched it....

Darts or golf or cricket could have been on, and it would have been watched....
And all three don't come close to Athletics IMO....

The majority of Irish sporting viewers want GAA and Soccer, after these two, it's not
all that appealing or in demand for other sports.

I would say Golf, and Horse racing (gambling and pubs) are the next big one

runnnerrr

tunguska wrote: »

Marathon saturday 22nd August at 11:45am

Just to let everybody know that the mens Marathon is on this saturday at 11:45am. Think BBC2 and RTE2 are showing it. No Irish interest but it should be great stuff anyway.

No RTE 2 are not showing it on Saturday but don't worry there is 4hours and 20mins of bloody Charity Lords Of The Ring on Saturday!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

shels4ever

walshb wrote: »

Yes, JUST because it was on, but somehow me doubts folks would be pleading with Mr Publican to turn it on, or goin' down to the pub to specifically watch it. It happened to be sport that was on, so folks watched it....

Darts or golf or cricket could have been on, and it would have been watched....
And all three don't come close to Athletics IMO....

The majority of Irish sporting viewers want GAA and Soccer, after these two, it's not
all that appealing or in demand for other sports.

I would say Golf, and Horse racing (gambling and pubs) are the next big one

Yes your right, but had it been on RTE people would have watched it and it would have helped improve the status of the sport in the country, Can TV be used as a development/promotion tool or should it jsut be for already popular sports. For thje likes of TV3 I can understand them not showing it. For RTE I think that have a duty to show it(at least some).

Euro_Kraut

What time are the Irish running at today?

runnnerrr

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

What time are the Irish running at today?

Gillick:17.15
O' Rourke:18.01
Hession:18.33

thirtyfoot

tunguska wrote: »

Marathon saturday 22nd August at 11:45am

Just to let everybody know that the mens Marathon is on this saturday at 11:45am. Think BBC2 and RTE2 are showing it. No Irish interest but it should be great stuff anyway.

Jaysus, if they were showing it I would be jumping on the anti-RTE wagon myself and heading down to D4 with the pitchforks and torches as there would be no sense whatsoever showing that and not showing the actual 15 events that we'd be interested in watching with Irish in it.

Starting to get warmed up myself for this afternoon. A little over 2 hours to go.....

Gillick @ 17:15
O' Rourke @ 18:01
Hession @ 18.33

Now that's a serious 78 mins of action!!

Getting kind of nervous.

What will be good, 2 out of 3? 3 out of 3 will be a stretch but who knows. Please don't be a 0 out of 3. I imagine all 3 of them are going to be in around and warming up at the same time, it'll be some buzz if they all get through.

thirtyfoot

runnnerrr wrote: »

No Campbell's not running it's just Chamney. I think that the entries had to be in before the nationals, so they had to enter both as they didn't know who was going to win the nationals.

I'm not sure. The startlists are defined after the Technical Meeting which was on late last Thursday night. He should have been 'withdrawn' at that stage. Funny wouldn't it if he ran!!!!

Reaganomical

Positive mental attitude...it's gonna be three out of three! I'm gonna nip out of the office to watch the races so there'll be at least one person pleading with the publicans to turn on the athletics!

Woddle

Tingle wrote: »

Jaysus, if they were showing it I would be jumping on the anti-RTE wagon myself and heading down to D4 with the pitchforks and torches as there would be no sense whatsoever showing that and not showing the actual 15 events that we'd be interested in watching with Irish in it.

Starting to get warmed up myself for this afternoon. A little over 2 hours to go.....

Gillick @ 17:15
O' Rourke @ 18:01
Hession @ 18.33

Now that's a serious 78 mins of action!!

Getting kind of nervous.

What will be good, 2 out of 3? 3 out of 3 will be a stretch but who knows. Please don't be a 0 out of 3. I imagine all 3 of them are going to be in around and warming up at the same time, it'll be some buzz if they all get through.

I'm going to go with my heart here and say 3 out of 3, I predict the Hesh to run a pb

Be warned I am bottom of the table in the prediction thread

runnnerrr

Tingle wrote: »

I'm not sure. The startlists are defined after the Technical Meeting which was on late last Thursday night. He should have been 'withdrawn' at that stage. Funny wouldn't it if he ran!!!!

Yeah that's the way I thought it's done aswell, but I'm just basing on the fact that Fagan was down on the startlist for the 10000m even though we were all aware on Thursday night that he was never going to be able to run.

Pisco Sour

This is what is being shown on RTE instead of Paul Hession, Derval O’Rourke and David Gillick….

There are four games in the Barclays Premier League this evening, while RTÉ's Champions League coverage kicks-off with Panathinaikos v Atletico Madrid.

runnnerrr

04072511 wrote: »

This is what is being shown on RTE instead of Paul Hession, Derval O’Rourke and David Gillick….

There are four games in the Barclays Premier League this evening, while RTÉ's Champions League coverage kicks-off with Panathinaikos v Atletico Madrid.

Shud be a good match I think I'll watch the soccer instead then!lol


At least it's not gaa!!

walshb

shels4ever wrote: »

Yes your right, but had it been on RTE people would have watched it and it would have helped improve the status of the sport in the country, Can TV be used as a development/promotion tool or should it jsut be for already popular sports. For thje likes of TV3 I can understand them not showing it. For RTE I think that have a duty to show it(at least some).

Duty goes out the window when profit and money play a part.
Unfortunately, soccer and some other sports that I deem quite
boring are the cash cow. After this, there are other ridiculous
programmes that happen to appeal to the moronic masses.
I happen to think that after boxing, Track and Field is the greatest
show on earth. And I am probably biased with the boxing...

walshb

04072511 wrote: »

This is what is being shown on RTE instead of Paul Hession, Derval O’Rourke and David Gillick….

There are four games in the Barclays Premier League this evening, while RTÉ's Champions League coverage kicks-off with Panathinaikos v Atletico Madrid.

That is what the masses want. I can't understand it, but it is a fact and as long as it is, then they will choose it over other sports that don't have the same following. It's only logical, after all, RTE is there to make money...

eon1208

04072511 wrote: »

This is what is being shown on RTE instead of Paul Hession, Derval O’Rourke and David Gillick….

There are four games in the Barclays Premier League this evening, while RTÉ's Champions League coverage kicks-off with Panathinaikos v Atletico Madrid.

Fairly pathetic and speaks louder than any words could describe the overall setup. If the Irish sporting population want panathinaikos on a wednesday evening I give up. I would imagine in Athens tonight they are tuning into berlin 2009, as well as the above game and their economy is in tatters. Could be proven wrong on this though. Speaks volumns for the moronic sporting masses.

the_real_lamp

walshb wrote: »

That is what the masses want. I can't understand it, but it is a fact and as long as it is, then they will choose it over other sports that don't have the same following. It's only logical, after all, RTE is there to make money...

well RTE is not there to make money, it's a public service broadcaster rather than a comercial entity, hence the license fee. I think there should be at least a highlights package, not a major ask.

Still a lot of contoversy regards to semenya in the w800m according to the Aussie press.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/gender-bender-on-iaaf-agenda/2009/08/18/1250362074978.html

Hard Worker

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

sorry if mentioned here before.

but wasnt olive loughnane's time amazing for 20km walk.
at approx 1:29 thats a pretty mean 44 30 for 1okm x 2 !!!
i'd never do that running flat out for 20 km.
would she not make a great runner? anyone else actually look at her time and relate it to their own 'running' time ?

Alina Ivanova, gold medallist in the 10K walk ( 42.57 ) at the 1991 World Championships in Tokyo, went on to run 2.25 in the London Marathon and won the Dublin Marathon in 2006 and 2007 running 2.29 on both occasions. Maybe Olive might give the marathon a go.