Spoofers Guide to the Lisbon Treaty

bibbly

I came accross this today, On Jason O Mahony's blog, it is a simple and well put together little piece about the Lisbon treaty... Check it out.

http://www.jasonomahony.ie/The_Improved_Spoofers_Guide_To_The_Lisbon_Treaty.pdf

ixtlan

Yes, it is very good. I did make some comments to him about it, which shows that you can never keep everyone happy...

The President of the Council? Some people are worried that this role
will have too much power, in fact some on boards were demanding a
no-vote to stop Tony Blair getting the job and running Europe. I'm
sure there's scope for a lot of jokes there. Anyhow I would have put
more emphasis that the prime ministers will control this person's
agenda. They are not going to control the EU.

Foreign Affairs. More emphasis on "only representing us on common
positions". You said it, but people will skim over it.

Voting system: You have explained it, but you know some people will
glaze over the 55% of countries rule, and look at the box and say ...
hey 0.8%... can't vote for that.

Declarations: Although these are not legally binding, the treaties
lodged with the UN promising to implement them are.. or at least are
as binding as any international agreement entered into by any country,
like our membership of the EU. Since the Irish government went to this
level of paranoia and distrust (on behalf of the people) it would be
worth mentioning.

Ix

FutureTaoiseach

The most nonsensical claim:

Jason O'Mahony wrote:

The Lisbon Treaty is designed to make the EU system, which was designed for six countries, work for more than thirty.

The EU/EEC/Coal and Steel Community hasn't had six countries for 40 years, during which we have had several Treaties to reform the constitutional architecture of the Union e.g. Single European Act (1987), Maastricht (1992), Amsterdam (1998) and Nicw (2002). So it beggars belief to argue the constitutional architecture of the EU is tailored to 6 member states rather than 27. Furthermore, a study by the London School of Economics has shown that the Nice arrangments are working well and that the throughput of EU legislation has not reduced.

It makes life harder for terrorists, sex traffickers, drug dealers and paedophiles.

The Schengen Agreement, which the text of the constitutional amendment (proposed new Article 29.4.7) will allow the Oireachtas/govt to take us into, would in fact greatly increase people trafficking by abolishing passport controls.

tolosenc

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

The most nonsensical claim: The EU/EEC/Coal and Steel Community hasn't had six countries for 40 years, during which we have had several Treaties to reform the constitutional architecture of the Union e.g. Single European Act (1987), Maastricht (1992), Amsterdam (1998) and Nic[e] (2002).

Em, there were 12 in all of them, and 15 in the latter 2. 27 > 15.

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

The Schengen Agreement, which the text of the constitutional amendment (proposed new Article 29.4.7) will allow the Oireachtas/govt to take us into, would in fact greatly increase people trafficking by abolishing passport controls.

Passport controls on travel between Schengen states. Entry into the Schengen zone still has passport control.

PopeBuckfastXVI

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

The Schengen Agreement, which the text of the constitutional amendment (proposed new Article 29.4.7) will allow the Oireachtas/govt to take us into, would in fact greatly increase people trafficking by abolishing passport controls.

His pamphlet is about the Lisbon Treaty, not Schengen, or the text of the consitutional amendment.

Also you don't know for a *fact* that joining Schengen would 'greatly increase people trafficking', so stop claiming it as such, it's just your opinion, which is deluded, in mine.

FutureTaoiseach

obl wrote: »

Em, there were 12 in all of them, and 15 in the latter 2. 27 > 15.



Passport controls on travel between Schengen states. Entry into the Schengen zone still has passport control.

That's what I meant.

marco_polo

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

The Schengen Agreement, which the text of the constitutional amendment (proposed new Article 29.4.7) will allow the Oireachtas/govt to take us into, would in fact greatly increase people trafficking by abolishing passport controls.

Since this agreement has been fimly in place between a number of countries for many years now, I presume you have ammased a large amount of data to support this assertion, that you have simply forgotten to include in your post.

ei.sdraob

lol now only if they send that to every household

im still laughing here a bit of humor is what politics needs more of

Ostrom

Is this the guy behind '100 reasons to vote yes'?

Martin 2

efla wrote: »

Is this the guy behind '100 reasons to vote yes'?

Elfa,
I don't think so, the guy behind the '100 reasons to vote Yes' is Nick McGinley see: http://www.100reasons.ie/....

Btw, Jason's Spoofers Guide to the Lisbon Treaty is hilarious.