Ronaldo this season.

davyjose · 14-08-2009 2:31pm #1

I don't want to make this seem like sour grapes. I'm a United fan, and I genuinely have a great deal of affection for the guy. I always will; like I still do with Beckham, and when I watch England or Milan i want to see him do well. I feel the same about Ronaldo, and I wish him luck, and will always watch out for him for the rest of his career. But.........

Do you think he'll be as good for Madrid? Because I don't. There's a couple of points, first off, he's been bred by United, he always had the talent, but playing for us he learned his craft, and the while the team wasn't necessarily built around him, it was built with him as a cornerstone.

Now this isn't about United, and I believe we'll struggle without him. But I think he might too. I believe, no .. I KNOW that what he gave united, united gave back to him. He had almost the perfect side for a guy of his style -- a side that had flair, but were also very strong. This was a guy who had Wayne Rooney (one of the top 10/15 players in the World?), as his water carrier. In a nutshell I think it's easy to overlook, how much united elevated him to the point where he could show his true greatness. Will he get this at Madrid?

It's an interesting one, and time will tell. I don't expect United to fall apart, and I don't expect Ronaldo to seamlessly continue in his quest to be the GOAT (he could well be, but not next season). I think he might find that he had a very nice set-up with United -- a team he grew up with, and that might be a rude awakening for him.

Opinions?

P.S. Comparisons to Zidane might pop up, but remember (and this is sort of my point), he never grew up with a world class side -- one that delivered Champions league finals, etc.

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 2:35pm

davyjose wrote: »

This was a guy who had Wayne Rooney (one of the top 10/15 players in the World?)

not likely tbh.

TwoShedsJackson · 14-08-2009 2:35pm

I hope he dies on his arse out there. I'm not a Manchester United supporter.

Ronaldo is the epitome of the over-paid ego-inflated himbo who throughly believes all his own hype. His attitude to the game and to sportsmanship makes me puke.

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 2:39pm

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

I hope he dies on his arse out there. I'm not a Manchester United supporter.

Ronaldo is the epitome of the over-paid ego-inflated himbo who throughly believes all his own hype. His attitude to the game and to sportsmanship makes me puke.

I agree, the guy is a cheat, simple as that.
I wont miss his tantrums in the premier league

missingtime · 14-08-2009 2:41pm

At least he won't be wrecking everyones head in Fantasy Football.

5starpool · 14-08-2009 2:45pm

I was going to ask was he trying to be a GOAT because of his constant bleating, but then I realised you meant Greatest Of All Time (I assume), and then I laughed more at that than I did when I thought you were on about him being a goat.

eZe^ · 14-08-2009 2:55pm

People forget that Zidane was actually rubbish for Real Madrid in the first 6 months at the Bernabeu. The record transfer fee put alot of pressure on him and he was quite awful in a few of his first few games.

Also people forget that Zidane was never the player who continually tried to turn a game on it's head, he'd first dictate the rhythm to a comfortable level, and eventually he'd play one or two balls that split opened the defence and allowed Raul/ Ronaldo/ Figo/ etc to bury.

He was the epitome of a big game player, and it was frustrating to see him underperform consistently with Madrid and then be absolutely spellbounding for France. Cristiano is more of a player who constantly needs to be attacking the oppositions goal, taking shots, running at defenders, running into space. He is a more direct player, so his influence on the game can be more noticeable, meaning regardless of whether he is playing bad/ good, he sticks out like a sore thumb.

It'll be interesting to see how the Madridista fans receive him after a spell of bad games, afterall, 80,000 people went to see his unveiling, but barely half that showed up for his first appearance. Kinda ironic really....

keane2097 · 14-08-2009 3:01pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

not likely tbh.

Had to get the knife in early Alan :rolleyes:

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 3:04pm

Mr Alan: Protector of the truth.

Dave! · 14-08-2009 3:06pm

eZe^ wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how the Madridista fans receive him after a spell of bad games, afterall, 80,000 people went to see his unveiling, but barely half that showed up for his first appearance. Kinda ironic really....

Don't think 40,000 people would have fit in the Tallaght stadium tbh

Headshot · 14-08-2009 3:08pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

Mr Alan: Protector of the truth.

lol

im going to have to remember that quote

davyjose · 14-08-2009 3:08pm

5starpool wrote: »

I was going to ask was he trying to be a GOAT because of his constant bleating, but then I realised you meant Greatest Of All Time (I assume), and then I laughed more at that than I did when I thought you were on about him being a goat.

That's commenting on the thread without really commenting. You can question his place one the list of best ever. But how much more accoplished were Diego or Zinedine at his age. It's not as far beyond the realms of possibility as your scoffing suggests.

Is there anyone on here willing to treat my OP as a proper discussion or is it troll season here on boards?

Eire-Dearg · 14-08-2009 3:10pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Had to get the knife in early Alan :rolleyes:

T'was inevitable.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 14-08-2009 3:11pm

Hope he completely flops and comes crawling back to SAF, I dispise him though, it was said a few posts ago-he is the perfect example of an overpaid footballer with all his slapping the ground and shouting, he loves himself to no end and by all accounts kept to himself when he met up with the Madrid squad for a few weeks.

davyjose · 14-08-2009 3:13pm

eZe^ wrote: »

He was the epitome of a big game player,

But the thing about Ronaldo is he's the epitome of the small game player. That's less derisory that it seems. That 70/80 points that we got from those 30 "small" games(i.e. not Pool/Cheslea/Arsenal), were massively down to Ronaldo's ability to just pwn the so called "lesser" teams.

Was that a united thing, or a Ronaldo thing though? I guess we'll find out soon.

whatawaster · 14-08-2009 3:15pm

davyjose wrote: »

It's an interesting one, and time will tell. I don't expect United to fall apart, and I don't expect Ronaldo to seamlessly continue in his quest to be the GOAT (he could well be, but not next season).

Don't be ridiculous.

davyjose · 14-08-2009 3:16pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I agree, the guy is a cheat, simple as that.

WHAT????

davyjose · 14-08-2009 3:20pm

whatawaster wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous.

I think what's infinitely more ridiculous, is a guy who thinks 3 words represents an argument, or even a valid opinion.

gustavo · 14-08-2009 3:21pm

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

I hope he dies on his arse out there. I'm not a Manchester United supporter.

Ronaldo is the epitome of the over-paid ego-inflated himbo who throughly believes all his own hype. His attitude to the game and to sportsmanship makes me puke.

All footballers are over-paid to a degree , but hardly his fault.If someone says do you want €200,000 a week you don't say no.

Plus I doubt he would be the player he is if he didn't have supreme self confidence in his own ability , something seemingly frowned upon in this country.

missingtime · 14-08-2009 3:23pm

To be fair though I never had anything against Ronaldo. He's a savage player and Real was the club he always wanted to be at.

It's going to be hard to stomach Alonso setting up Ronaldo with a few goals this season.

whatawaster · 14-08-2009 3:25pm

davyjose wrote: »

I think what's infinitely more ridiculous, is a guy who thinks 3 words represents an argument, or even a valid opinion.

There is almost nothing Ronaldo could do this season that would bring him into consideration for one of the best players of all time.
In fact, he’ll have a lot to do to be thought of as the best in the world now. I think most neutrals would give that tag to Messi.

Bubs101 · 14-08-2009 3:26pm

eZe^ wrote: »

He was the epitome of a big game player, and it was frustrating to see him underperform consistently with Madrid and then be absolutely spellbounding for France. Cristiano is more of a player who constantly needs to be attacking the oppositions goal, taking shots, running at defenders, running into space. He is a more direct player, so his influence on the game can be more noticeable, meaning regardless of whether he is playing bad/ good, he sticks out like a sore thumb.

This. He only one one Serie A while at Juve and that was when he got injured and Del Piero played out of his skin and his Madrid team didn't exactly dominate La Liga either. One or two leagues out of 6 I think. Ronaldo is the exact opposite to Zizou. He plays well in any game but rarely plays out of his skin the way Zizou did when it really really mattered. He's a much better league player than him.

If he can settle in the new formation then Real should challenge easily but Real had the Dutch midfield it was just after they had mezmerized everybody in Euro 2008 and they did sweet **** all for them last year. I think Real's team will all depend on Xabi Alonso and a Diarra. If they play well together then Real have all the attacking nouse to take La Liga but if they don't set the pace Real and Ronaldo will struggle

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 3:50pm

davyjose wrote: »

WHAT????

Diving, kicking out at players when the ref wasnt looking, trying to influence ref decisions=cheating!

davyjose · 14-08-2009 3:52pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

If he can settle in the new formation then Real should challenge easily but Real had the Dutch midfield it was just after they had mezmerized everybody in Euro 2008 and they did sweet **** all for them last year. I think Real's team will all depend on Xabi Alonso and a Diarra. If they play well together then Real have all the attacking nouse to take La Liga but if they don't set the pace Real and Ronaldo will struggle

I agree Bubs. See the thing I think Ronaldo doesn't realise (and is perhaps a prelude to the faults people accuse him of), is that without a very solid team behind him, he could just look like a very good player, rather than an AMAZING player.

For those still p!ssing their pants, over the comment I made about Ronaldo being the GOAT, I think he has a long, long way to go before he can even contemplate this. The reason I put it down was because he does have a shot at it, however remote that possibility may be. But more pertinently, I know Ronaldo himself believes he can be. That's why I said it.

davyjose · 14-08-2009 3:55pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Diving, kicking out at players when the ref wasnt looking, trying to influence ref decisions=cheating!

I agree that he has cheated, as I believe 99.9% of professional Footballers have at one point, but that this is your overriding opinion of the man is what surprises me.

People that dismiss him merely as a cheater, are not treating the guy with utmost objectivity IMO.

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 3:59pm

davyjose wrote: »

I agree that he has cheated, as I believe 99.9% of professional Footballers have at one point, but that this is your overriding opinion of the man is what surprises me.

People that dismiss him merely as a cheater, are not treating the guy with utmost objectivity IMO.

He did it more than most. The amount of times he dived in a game was ridiculous.
I dont think he should have been awarded world player of the year because of the terrible example he sets to young kids, he brings the game into disrepute.
I dont care how talented he was.

Bubs101 · 14-08-2009 4:09pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

He did it more than most. The amount of times he dived in a game was ridiculous.
I dont think he should have been awarded world player of the year because of the terrible example he sets to young kids, he brings the game into disrepute.
I dont care how talented he was.

Bull****. Diving is talent. Getting penalties from nowhere is talent.

And in the Premiership everyone has someone who does it. Liverpool fans think Ronaldo and Droggy are scum because they dive while holding Stevie in the highest regard. Chelsea fans think Gerrard and Ronaldo are diving cheater while Didier is a passionate man with a will to win who gets caught up in the heat of the moment. Man Utd fans think that Gerrard and Drogba are a disgrace while at the same time they used to adore Ronaldo.

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 4:17pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

Bull****. Diving is talent. Getting penalties from nowhere is talent.

And in the Premiership everyone has someone who does it. Liverpool fans think Ronaldo and Droggy are scum because they dive while holding Stevie in the highest regard. Chelsea fans think Gerrard and Ronaldo are diving cheater while Didier is a passionate man with a will to win who gets caught up in the heat of the moment. Man Utd fans think that Gerrard and Drogba are a disgrace while at the same time they used to adore Ronaldo.

Now thats the biggest load of sh1te that ive ever heard LOL
Yeh wouldnt it be a great game if everyone was as 'talented' as Ronaldo then and everyone just cheated their way to the top.
Sure why dont we get rid of the referees then too sure!

davyjose · 14-08-2009 4:17pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

He did it more than most. The amount of times he dived in a game was ridiculous.
I dont think he should have been awarded world player of the year because of the terrible example he sets to young kids, he brings the game into disrepute.
I dont care how talented he was.

He was fouled more than most, Fink. Let's be honest.

but I'm still struggling to comprehend how your foremost opinion of Ronaldo (as a footballer; on the pitch) is a negative one. It's like getting in a Ferrari and complaining because it doesn't have a cup-holder.

JPA · 14-08-2009 4:20pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

Bull****. Diving is talent. Getting penalties from nowhere is talent.

You're asking for it with that statement. But diving and conning the ref is considered talent in some countries.

KittyeeTrix · 14-08-2009 4:20pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I agree, the guy is a cheat, simple as that.
I wont miss his tantrums in the premier league

I'll miss his tantrums terribly.....always good for a laugh.:D

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 4:23pm

davyjose wrote: »

He was fouled more than most, Fink. Let's be honest.

but I'm still struggling to comprehend how your foremost opinion of Ronaldo (as a footballer; on the pitch) is a negative one. It's like getting in a Ferrari and complaining because it doesn't have a cup-holder.

Is this Alex Ferguson talking now!

ME HOLE!!!!

davyjose · 14-08-2009 4:23pm

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

....always good for a laugh.:D

As was seeing everyone else NOT top of the league

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 4:37pm

davyjose wrote: »

As was seeing everyone else NOT top of the league

As it was beating united 1-4 at Old Trafford!

Headshot · 14-08-2009 4:40pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Is this Alex Ferguson talking now!

ME HOLE!!!!

iirc you said you watch 90% of utd games

so you shouldve gone to spec savers if you missed all the dirty tackles on him

btw your turning into my favourite poster atm,taking over from x in the city

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 4:42pm

Headshot wrote: »

iirc you said you watch 90% of utd games

so you shouldve gone to spec savers if you missed all the dirty tackles on him

btw your turning into my favourite poster atm,taking over from x in the city

Fergie is the one with the glasses not me.
He called and b1tched for more fouls than anyone else yeh i'll give you that, the little conman!

davyjose · 14-08-2009 4:46pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

As it was beating united 1-4 at Old Trafford!

I'll admit, that day burned. It's amazing what a salve our 11th Premier League title was though. You should try it some time....

... feels nice.:pac:

Headshot · 14-08-2009 4:47pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Fergie is the one with the glasses not me.
He called and b1tched for more fouls than anyone else yeh i'll give you that, the little conman!

going to be a great season on the sf

ill explain for ya

Ronaldo was one of the quickest players in the EPL and when you go that fast any little shove can bring a player down also being around 6ft means he doesnt have a low centre of gravity unlike messi

eddiehead · 14-08-2009 4:48pm

Bubs101 wrote: »

Bull****. Diving is talent. Getting penalties from nowhere is talent.

I have to say I do agree with this to an extent, faking injuries is something I really hate though (here's looking at you Didier).

Mr Alan · 14-08-2009 4:50pm

diving is not a talent, no more so than injecting steroids is. Some people may be better at getting away with it than others, but that does not make them "talented", it's cheating. end of.

davyjose · 14-08-2009 4:52pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Fergie is the one with the glasses not me.
He called and b1tched for more fouls than anyone else yeh i'll give you that, the little conman!

Fink, this was a thread about how Ronaldo is going to fare in Spain. No offence (and maybe I made the mistake of thinking there was a bit of banter going on), but you really come across as a bitter, semi-knowledgeable Football fan right now.

Shame.

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 4:53pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

diving is not a talent, no more so than injecting steroids is. Some people may be better at getting away with it than others, but that does not make them "talented", it's cheating. end of.

Some people have to write in big letters to get the attention they keep seeking

Fink Goddie · 14-08-2009 4:54pm

davyjose wrote: »

Fink, this was a thread about how Ronaldo is going to fare in Spain. No offence (and maybe I made the mistake of thinking there was a bit of banter going on), but you really come across as a bitter, semi-knowledgeable Football fan right now.

Shame.

Nope just dont like cheats

davyjose · 14-08-2009 4:55pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

diving is not a talent,

Either is trolling dude. That you haven't been banned from Soccer for your RELENTLESS goading on the United Thread, is a mystery. But trust you to pick one of a million comments and go to town on it, in size ten.

Pathetic.

Post Reported for Trolling.

davyjose · 14-08-2009 4:57pm

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Nope just dont like cheats

Guess you're not a fan of Gerrard so.

gustavo · 14-08-2009 5:04pm

I dont see how people say they will "miss" him , He'll be featuring in as many if not more live matches on Sky Sports

CR 7 · 14-08-2009 5:05pm

I think one thing everyone seems to agree on is that they hope he has a terrible season, for various reasons. Personally, I want the entire team to fail collectively, to show money can't buy success. I'll still be a fan of Ronaldo though.;)

Bubs101 · 14-08-2009 5:06pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

diving is not a talent, no more so than injecting steroids is. Some people may be better at getting away with it than others, but that does not make them "talented", it's cheating. end of.

Comparing diving in a game to taking steroids. I'd expect alot more from you Alan

KittyeeTrix · 14-08-2009 5:06pm

davyjose wrote: »

I don't want to make this seem like sour grapes. I'm a United fan, and I genuinely have a great deal of affection for the guy. I always will; like I still do with Beckham, and when I watch England or Milan i want to see him do well. I feel the same about Ronaldo, and I wish him luck, and will always watch out for him for the rest of his career. But.........

Do you think he'll be as good for Madrid? Because I don't. There's a couple of points, first off, he's been bred by United, he always had the talent, but playing for us he learned his craft, and the while the team wasn't necessarily built around him, it was built with him as a cornerstone.

Now this isn't about United, and I believe we'll struggle without him. But I think he might too. I believe, no .. I KNOW that what he gave united, united gave back to him. He had almost the perfect side for a guy of his style -- a side that had flair, but were also very strong. This was a guy who had Wayne Rooney (one of the top 10/15 players in the World?), as his water carrier. In a nutshell I think it's easy to overlook, how much united elevated him to the point where he could show his true greatness. Will he get this at Madrid?

It's an interesting one, and time will tell. I don't expect United to fall apart, and I don't expect Ronaldo to seamlessly continue in his quest to be the GOAT (he could well be, but not next season). I think he might find that he had a very nice set-up with United -- a team he grew up with, and that might be a rude awakening for him.

Opinions?

P.S. Comparisons to Zidane might pop up, but remember (and this is sort of my point), he never grew up with a world class side -- one that delivered Champions league finals, etc.

Torres although not "bred" by Liverpool seemed to do very well when he came across the water so can't really see Ronaldo failing 'cos the almighty "water carrier" that is Rooney is not holding him up.
And as for learning his craft at Utd, if you mean falling down each time he was breathed upon, well then I'd say he was in the right team.

I'm not a Utd fan but it was sad to watch him week after week sitting on the pitch pulling up his socks whilst looking confused at the ref.

That said I will admit he was a great player to watch if he'd only get the hell up off the pitch like Torres and get the hell on with it. Somehow, I can't see Rooney or Torres falling down quite as much as him this year......Oh no, where will all the free kicks come from???:eek:

CR 7 · 14-08-2009 5:16pm

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

And as for learning his craft at Utd, if you mean falling down each time he was breathed upon, well then I'd say he was in the right team.

:rolleyes: And why would this be?

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

That said I will admit he was a great player to watch if he'd only get the hell up off the pitch like Torres and get the hell on with it. Somehow, I can't see Rooney or Torres falling down quite as much as him this year......Oh no, where will all the free kicks come from???:eek:

Sure we can just play on and score instead, since we don't have him to score the frees.;)

eddiehead · 14-08-2009 5:17pm

the_pm_of_17 wrote: »

Sure we can just play on and score instead, since we don't have him to score the frees.;)

Yeah but he scored the ones from open play too.

Ronaldo this season.

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