Ebay Dodgy Irish Mass Clearance Seller

Judgement Day

I was about to report cantersj52 but see that he now has no items for sale. Don't you just love how the consumer/legitimate seller has to police eBay instead of the company. This trader was a blatant scam artist - keep posting if you spot anymore of them!

ttm

Judgement Day wrote: »

I was about to report cantersj52 but see that he now has no items for sale. Don't you just love how the consumer/legitimate seller has to police eBay instead of the company. This trader was a blatant scam artist - keep posting if you spot anymore of them!

I've just cleared my cache and checked him again and he still seems alive and selling?

RasTa wrote: »

Jesus I just checked the auction listing for this as we have access to listings that where removed and it says on the top in block capitals.

"PLEASE NOT THIS IS AN INFORMATION PRODUCT YOU ARE NOT BUYING A PHYSICAL ITEM, NO REFUNDS WILL BE GIVEN, PICTURES ARE FOR ILLUSTRATION ONLY. THIS PRODUCT WILL BE DIGITALLY DELIVERED BY EMAIL. WE DO NOT GIVE REFUNDS."

Proof ?? The auctions we are talking about definitely did not say that ANYWHERE if you check cantersj52's, as these are identical to those of dublinclearancesale and massclearance654, you will not see the text you quoted anywhere.

Judgement Day

Don't get it, when you search for cantersj52 on eBay now you get this seller as an exact match (!) for sellers name
getyourbargainshere456436 - the same seller without doubt and still active and happily scamming away!! I will report this xxxxxxer!! now.

Just reported him for all the use it will be. Grrrr, I just detest eBay!!!!!

ttm

Judgement Day wrote: »

Don't get it, when you search for cantersj52 on eBay now you get this seller as an exact match (!) for sellers name
getyourbargainshere456436 - the same seller without doubt and still active and happily scamming away!! I will report this xxxxxxer!! now.

Just reported him for all the use it will be. Grrrr, I just detest eBay!!!!!

It was a recent (or last minute) name change, but gone now. I just tried to buy and item and got a msg Transaction Blocked.

Edit> Suspect the seller reads these threads, any Mod might be interested to check the subsciption list for this thread as I guess he might just be there but not much you can do even if he is.

ttm

The scam continues........

If you check the feedback of cantersj52 or getyourbarginshere456436 you'll see ALL the feedback is now set to private for all the other shill buyers, so he's protecting his "assets" for future scams.

List of those names to follow when I've edited it .....

Edit> Sorry got that wrong all the shill buyers had their feedback already set to private but list of them in case the seller sets his feedback to private.....

deanoj02
sidley8158
slugext4479
fransiefarr77
hiphoplollipop437
plorthery66
nejjitti1500
tentsforallzak
lavinward99
mitcheldude1000
bakyoutorr16
beccasglitz
marktheman22
rosie2856
metinney300
lawsome43
tellone0238
alanmcpete
school19987

Note for mods - if I shouldn't be listing possible scam eBay ID's please delete them and leave a note, however there is very liitle chance of any of the above being ligit accounts

Listed not because anyone can do much about it but more just to annoy the scammer and make him a bit more work if he's reading this.

patt1616

Hello, I see cantersj52 was still selling up to 11:57 today, but I got my email back from ebay at 1:28, there's speedy action from ebay for you

ttm

patt1616 wrote: »

Hello, I see cantersj52 was still selling up to 11:57 today, but I got my email back from ebay at 1:28, there's speedy action from ebay for you

I think it unlikely that eBay did anything as a direct result of one report. IMHO these scams are run at the weekend because there are less people working for eBay so less chance of any action. I've reported 100's if not thousands of scams before and I noticed a definite trend in that any reports that were actioned were actioned on Monday. Some more obvious scams that got negative feedback like this one have had action taken against them over the weekend. I have an idea that the trigger might be going below 98% + feedback, it doesn't mean the account will be banned just that there is a flag raised in a database somewhere that says this needs looking at, add a couple of reports to that and then some action seems to get taken.

patt1616

How did ebay allow another seller (getyourbargainshere456436) to take over the same listings with the same item numbers and keep selling after the first "seller" (cantersj52) was reported. I think ebay are falling asunder.

ttm

patt1616 wrote: »

How did ebay allow another seller (getyourbargainshere456436) to take over the same listings with the same item numbers and keep selling after the first "seller" (cantersj52) was reported. I think ebay are falling asunder.

No that was the same person and the same auctions. The seller changed his name as he is allowed to according to eBay rules. The eBay system is a massive database(s) it doesn't really care what you are called and can allow a seller (or buyers) ID to be changed anytime. If you check the seller getyourbargainshere456436 you will see a name change in the last 30 days icon by the name that allows you to check what other name he has used. If you search for the old name you will be directed to the new name. Only really confusing to someone new to eBay and probably why the seller changed names.

eBay would tie up the two names so if you reported cantersj52 then they'd know the seller was now calling himslef getyourbargainshere456436 it would only be buyers he might confuse.

ttm

Nearly....

Just seen items 180405423478 and 180405423462 both laptops at 54euro, baliffs sale appear and disappear in the time it took to click on them.

This listing (180405423462) has been removed, or this item is not available.

This listing (180405423478) has been removed, or this item is not available.

Wasn't lookiing for plamsa TV's but guess a couple of them would have also been for sale.

So someone at eBay is taking an interest. Now leave it a couple of weeks and it will start all over again.

RasTa

ttm wrote: »

I've just cleared my cache and checked him again and he still seems alive and selling?



Proof ?? The auctions we are talking about definitely did not say that ANYWHERE if you check cantersj52's, as these are identical to those of dublinclearancesale and massclearance654, you will not see the text you quoted anywhere.

I'll try and take a screenshot but I won't be able to publish it probably. I work in fraud in PayPal so deal with these rings sometimes and they are a pain.

the man 2009

hi im sure you do work for paypal but how will they feel when they see the information you are disscussing and offering to take screenshots from the paypal internal system, maybee they wont mind, but just to check as im a busy body ive sent screenshots to paypal ireland, uk and luxembourg by post, sorry but i feel its my duty:P

RasTa

the man 2009 wrote: »

hi im sure you do work for paypal but how will they feel when they see the information you are disscussing and offering to take screenshots from the paypal internal system, maybee they wont mind, but just to check as im a busy body ive sent screenshots to paypal ireland, uk and luxembourg by post, sorry but i feel its my duty:P

haha what are you talking about? What information have I published from PayPal here? Don't be so silly.

the man 2009

ok well i sent them anyway

RasTa

the man 2009 wrote: »

ok well i sent them anyway

You sent posts from a message board to PayPal? That will be taken seriously alright. What sensitive PayPal information have you included?

jor el

the man 2009 wrote: »

ok well i sent them anyway

I'm sure they'll have a good laugh. Why would you use screen shots? Why not just send a link to this thread? There's nothing here worth noting, so I don't see how anyone would be in the least bit interested in this, from a reporting employee's action point of view.

blowtorch

Got caught too. Opened a claim straight-away with Paypal and have told bank to withold payment. However, seems that the type of auction is not allowed on e-bay anyway - their rules...

A digital item is a computer file or special information that you can access online or have delivered electronically. Digitally delivered goods and items which are transferred electronically are not permitted on eBay. Some examples of digital items are:

Electronic books or ebooks

Digital pictures

Other electronic documents

Domain names and tickets which may be transferred electronically are excluded and may be traded on eBay.

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/selling-digital-items.html

patt1616

Hello, I got a strange email from Ebay, have a look, I've removed my email address because I think the scammers keep an eye on this topic to learn if there are better scams they can learn. This email adds to the fairytale, there are now good scammers and bad scammers. This does not explain the folllowing: I "asked Seller a Question" at 00:52 on the Acer Laptop listing(Is This an intangable laptop); of course, I did not get a reply and of course I had no intention of buying it either inside or outside of ebay. I reported cantorsj52 and some of the items he had listed with no notice of them being a list/ebook or whatever they were supposed to be, at 01:20 on Sunday morning. The scam was not finally removed until after 12 on Sunday and just after he had collected 2 negative feedbacks, the email from ebay seems to be more worried about people buying outside of ebay and doing them out of final value fees than the buyers being sold scam items. What I wonder now is, has getyourbargainshere456436 been restored to full scam membership or will someone swipe his illegal listings and his feedbacks and be able to strike again.


MC139 Alert about a message from another eBay member

We can see that you've had contact with getyourbargainshere456436 through eBay recently.

We think this eBay account has been used without the account owner's permission, so we're now restoring it to them. To protect this member's privacy, we can't share any more details about their account.

People sometimes misuse eBay accounts by sending emails from them. In these emails, they invite you to buy or sell outside eBay, or ask questions that have nothing to do with eBay. They do this in the hope that you'll respond and give them your email address.

We strongly recommend you treat emails from this member with caution and don't respond if you hear from them again.

Tips for safe trading on eBay

Always complete your purchases on the eBay website - it's the safest way to trade with other eBay members. Always make sure that your user ID is listed as the winning bidder on the 'Item ended' page before sending money for a purchase.

If someone asks you to buy or sell an item outside eBay, we strongly recommend you ignore their request and report it to us. If you buy or sell outside eBay, you won't be protected by our Feedback system and protection services.

Keeping eBay a safe and reputable place to buy and sell is our top priority. To find out more about buying safely on eBay, open a new window on your browser and copy these links into it:

http://pages.ebay.ie/help/tp/isgw-fraud-non-ebay.html
http://pages.ebay.ie/safetycentre/buying_safely.html

If you've sent payment for an item but not received it, please let us know. You can contact us from any eBay Help page.

As always, if you have any questions, please get in touch.


Regards,

eBay Trust & Safety

ttm

@ patt1616 and RE: your recent email from eBay.

All that email does is prove that eBay DON'T HAVE A CLUE it is about another type of scam.

Account hijacking used to be how many scammers worked but ebay may have made that more difficult so now the scammers are back to the old method of creating feedback for themselves rather than stealing an old account with good feedback.

These current scams are nothing to do with account hijacking as it is quite obvious that the seller created the account and all the feedback that went with it, even the name of the account(s) suggest the account was set up with the sole purpose of scamming. So getyourbargainshere456436 will not get the account restored if he does eBay have screwed up yet again.

I suspect eBay have a std set of template emails to send out and this was the nearest fit.

To hijack an account you either set up an eBay look alike site and get users to put in there username and password or just randomly try accounts and password combinations, many users use very week passwords, add to that the password for eBay, PayPal and their email could easily be the same so it can be very easy to take over an account. eBay did say they had put measures in place to try and stop that sort of thing but I'm not sure if they did?

I'm sure the scammers check in here to see whats going on but even if someone does reveal a better way to scam its better out in the open then buyers will know what to look out for.

tbh most of the scams are very amature, there have been a couple of good ones I've watched (and reported) this year but they were a class above these particular scams.

Edit> Just checked and I see that getyourbargainshere456436 has his feedback set to private and is no longer a registered use.

I really would like to know who is setting the feedback to private? It could be the user before eBay shuts him down to protect his other accounts (thats why I listed them previously) or it could be eBay to protect themselves by hiding the negative feedback that shows them up.

blowtorch

Just received confirmation from Paypal that they have decided in my favour and the will refund me in full. So, sorted within a week. Will be a lot more careful in future.

ttm

blowtorch wrote: »

Just received confirmation from Paypal that they have decided in my favour and the will refund me in full. So, sorted within a week. Will be a lot more careful in future.

Thats great to hear. Was there any discussion with PayPal about this item being intangable? Also for the record who was the seller.

Perhaps PayPal take some notice of the press they get and act accordingly - though I doubt it.

the man 2009

ttm wrote: »

Thats great to hear. Was there any discussion with PayPal about this item being intangable? Also for the record who was the seller.

Perhaps PayPal take some notice of the press they get and act accordingly - though I doubt it.

that sounds cool mate but how many suckers arnt getting refunds, i wonder!!!!!!! shouldve gone to spec savers me thinks

patt1616

Got my 54 euro back from Mastercard as a chargeback, they got it back from Paypal. You see when you do not get the item and in any case, I did not know the item was intangable when I bought thought I bought it, then Mastercard will refund. Have a look at Paypals last ditch attempt to try and get me to cancel th chargeback


We recently received notice from your credit card company that you filed a
chargeback stating that you did not receive merchandise you paid for.

Please review the details of the disputed transaction below and the steps
for what to do next.

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Transaction Details

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Seller's name: gavin king
Seller's email: gavinking675@hotmail.com
Transaction ID: 4EH68400L7101002H


Transaction date: Aug 29, 2009
Transaction amount: -54.00 EUR
Case #: PP-802-865-202

Your transaction ID: 1E615326NR908924B

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What To Do Next

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If you received the merchandise after filing the chargeback or mistakenly
initiated this chargeback, please follow the steps below to cancel it: 1.
Log into your PayPal account and go to the Resolution Center.
2. On the Transaction Disputes page, select Open Disputes from the
drop-down menu and locate your transaction.
3. Click the Cancel button under the Action column for your transaction.
4. On the Chargeback Details page, click the Cancel Chargeback button.
5. Complete the steps to confirm that you are canceling this chargeback.

If you wish to continue with this chargeback, no further actions are
required by you at this time.

---

Due Dates

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None

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Other Details

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We appreciate your business, and thank you for your patience and
cooperation in helping us with this matter.

Thanks,

PayPal
Chargeback Department

Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you
will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account
and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page.

CB:PP-802-865-202:EUR54.00:10/6/2009:1E615326NR908924B

The best idea seems to be to give Paypal a credit card , rather than a debit card, so the credit card company will give the refund that Paypal is supposed to give when something goes wrong, but then would it not be better to just use the credit card and forget about Paypal, they are only another link in a chain

deiseblue

Nearly got caught myself but logged into paypal and cancelled before it went through. Got his email which is gavin675@hotmail.co.uk if anyone wants to send him a "polite" message.:)

the man 2009

deiseblue wrote: »

Nearly got caught myself but logged into paypal and cancelled before it went through. Got his email which is gavin675@hotmail.co.uk if anyone wants to send him a "polite" message.:)

arnt you the lucky one, wot about the other 24000 euros? happy xmas

deiseblue

Wish I had it to lose!:(

patt1616

Have just had the reverse of a scam, we'll call it a "macs",bought a software CD and paid by paypal on 3rd November, speedy ebay sent me the following MC015 Message five days later, (this is an extract). But I received the item and its ok, except it was a bit slow in coming and it had no bit of hardware with it. Ebay seem to be still more worried about people completing the transaction outside of ebay than a speedy response to a dodgy seller.

We're writing to let you know that the listing for the following item you bid on has been removed:

170402176623 - NERO 8 ESSENTIALS FREE POSTAGE £4.95 CHEAPEST ON EBAY!

We strongly recommend that you do not complete this purchase. Purchases of items listed on eBay but then completed outside of eBay are extremely risky. They are not covered by eBay buyer protection programs and are highly susceptible to fraud.

For more information on offers to buy or sell outside of eBay, copy this link into a new browser window:

http://pages.ebay.ie/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html

***If You Have Already Paid Using PayPal***

If you have already paid for this item but have not received it, please remember these important steps:

• A buyer has 45 days after the date of the payment to open a dispute.

• A dispute can be escalated to a claim within 20 days from when the dispute was filed.

• Buyers must wait at least 10 days from the date of payment to escalate a dispute for an item not received.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Is there much shill bidding going on? Is it normal to lose an auction with like 3seconds remaining?

pissed

Sorry for digging this up but the brother in law has just bought one of these 42 inch lcd with smoke glass table for 54 euro .... or so he thought. he has not paid for it yet with paypal so whats the situation re negative feedback on behalf of the seller or will ebay just cancel it if he reports it ? ..... again as listed earlier in this post the auction or sale takes place on the weekend supposedly when no ebay staff on duty. On another note I had to contact ebay re a sale I had a while back..... still waiting on a reply to 2 emails i sent them and that was 3 weeks ago..... the worst customer service ever.




Edit ..... Alan it was more than likely auction sniper. I use it myself and find it very good.

jor el

Tell him not to be such an idiot, and whatever he does, don't pay.

Baron Floyd

back again as walshassociates and hes sold 38 Tvs this evening alone....sooo depressing. gumtree anyone?

patt1616

Not to worry about not paying, the listing will be well gone from ebay, that is when they eventually wake up. I think there is a way of curing this. Suppose, if all the buyers were registered with paypal and using a credit card to pay paypal, then we could all buy thousands of each item, pay with paypal and when Paypal refuse a refund when you do not get the items because they say they are intangable (and should not be listed on ebay anyway); then we can get our money back as a chargeback on the credit card and paypal will be left holding the baby after they have paid out to the scammer. I assume that the credit card company gets their money back from paypal. Now since paypal are owned by ebay; ebay might wake up then and police the listings at the weekend. The same old warehouse full of empty boxes are in the new listings, so they should be easy enough to spot for someone in ebay; provided they are actually there at the weekend and are awake. There is another cure for this and that is for all the questions under the "ask the seller a question" to appear on the listing.

deiseblue

This was ebays so called customer service advising me a week after the fact!:) We strongly recommend that you do not complete this purchase. Purchases of items listed on eBay but then completed outside of eBay are extremely risky. They are not covered by eBay buyer protection programs and are highly susceptible to fraud.

For more information on offers to buy or sell outside of eBay, copy this link into a new browser window:

http://pages.ebay.ie/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html

***If You Have Already Paid Using PayPal***

If you have already paid for this item but have not received it, please remember these important steps:

• A buyer has 45 days after the date of the payment to open a dispute.

• A dispute can be escalated to a claim within 20 days from when the dispute was filed.

• Buyers must wait at least 10 days from the date of payment to escalate a dispute for an item not received.

louisa200

flea bay is pants.... (sorry not very constuctive but just had to say it) xxx

lisabx

the dodgy dealer is back i foolishly bought a wii for 54 euro thinkin it was too good to be true. I was a bit wary when I saw the 50" plasma for 54 too so I googled it and found this.. The payment was unclaimed though so I was able to cancel it. Does this mean my money goes straight back to my account??? I always thought ebay was totally secure and these scammers couldnt get onto it :mad:how wrong was I :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: BE AWARE ... soooo annoyed at ebay.. thank god for forums like these :D

the man 2009

lisabx wrote: »

the dodgy dealer is back i foolishly bought a wii for 54 euro thinkin it was too good to be true. I was a bit wary when I saw the 50" plasma for 54 too so I googled it and found this.. The payment was unclaimed though so I was able to cancel it. Does this mean my money goes straight back to my account??? I always thought ebay was totally secure and these scammers couldnt get onto it :mad:how wrong was I :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: BE AWARE ... soooo annoyed at ebay.. thank god for forums like these :D

arnt you the lucky one, never mind theve done very well today

ttm

OMG now its now 44 sold . If the government can find a way to tax stupidity then the next budget will be fine :rolleyes:

the man 2009

46

the man 2009

thats not nice now is it, naughty lisa

the man 2009

naughty lisa naughty naughty lisa

Cheezypuf

Caps Lock Lisa

jor el

I've no idea what the last 6 posts are about, but if you continue posting in caps, you'll be banned.

patt1616

I see he had a lot of cork keyrings for sale (I mean ones made of cork, but in the shape of a football). I was chasing his feedbacks, and even came across one "feedbacker" who was so looking forward to his tv, that he was giving a positive feedback before he even got it (and the chances of him getting it are nil). I came across "uk-yacht-rigging-and-supplies" mixed in in the item feedbacks, but I tried and could not find it again. Did anyone else come across this? When I report a scam on ebay, I notice that its the .co.uk site which answers. Is there nobody at home in ebay.ie at the weekend. Had another bit of a scam during the week: bought an item from the uk after first agreeing a price for the P&P (£15),using Royal Mail and the seller came back 2 days later looking for an extra £5 or £30 for carrier. Not sure if he meant £15 extra or £30 extra for the carrier, but I opted for the fiver, hadn't much choice. Is there much of this going on? I also notice vastly different P&P charges for the same item from different sellers.

ko4jm6y9iwv2lc

In fairness if you bought something off this ebayer you dont deserve your money back at all. Seriously, how stupid are these people?

jor el

lisabx wrote: »

whats caps got to do with anything...

It's ignorant, stupid and off-putting.

patt1616 wrote: »

I was chasing his feedbacks, and even came across one "feedbacker" who was so looking forward to his tv, that he was giving a positive feedback before he even got it (and the chances of him getting it are nil).

Those are shill accounts.

I've said it before, anyone stupid enough to think they're going to get a 42" TV for €60 deserves to be parted from their cash.

the man 2009

Tomas Breezy Sodium wrote: »

In fairness if you bought something off this ebayer you dont deserve your money back at all. Seriously, how stupid are these people?

well said that man

patt1616

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Is there much shill bidding going on? Is it normal to lose an auction with like 3seconds remaining?

I find that sometimes, the auction can close off about 30 seconds before its time. I have been caught a few times that way. The speed and quality of your internet connection can let you down as well, especially if you are on 3 midband if the connetion goes asleep

RoadKillTs

What I don't get is how theses selllers can operate for so long.
Like the guy there WalshAssociates operating since the 22nd October (looks like his account was closed last night) sold hundreds of different items.

So firstly why wasnt the account closed quicker?
Why was there no negative feedback?
How come Paypal cannot freeze his funds?

It really annoys me that people like this can operate for so long. I know the buyers are just as stupid but still.

arkadinsy

hi all. so im the one of those stupid who believed in that. unfortunatly i payed straight away for the items like i do always after winning aucctions. anyway what intresting is that the sellers name on ebay changed from walsah... to lisabx ??!!! our hunny bunny is here with us:)

RoadKillTs

to lisabx ??!!! our hunny bunny is here with us

Would certainly look like it.

unfortunatly i payed straight away for the items like i do always after winning aucctions.

Would you be willing to contact the Guards and would the the mod here be able to provide the IP details of the user lisabx?