Samsung Jet

OutlawPete

As it appears the Samsung Jet is going to be a popular phone I'd thought I'd start a thread for everyone who buys it to post their comments and hopefully very few, future issues.

Although the following vid is the gangster movie of all phone launches, I felt it apt that it started off the thread .. the opening bit is gas


Demo Part 1

Demo Part 2

Firefox10

They are no Steve Jobs!:D He's got competition on his hands though. Is this The first real iphone beater??

OutlawPete

Firefox10 wrote: »

Is this The first real iphone beater??

I don't care about it being as good as the iPhone - I'm just happy there is a decent phone out that will allow FM Radio Recordings ..

.. as I don't wish to break any laws downloading MP3s from the net when instead I can just get my phone to get em off the radio instead

cnocbui

Nico22 wrote: »

I don't care about it being as good as the iPhone - I'm just happy there is a decent phone out that will allow FM Radio Recordings ..

.. as I don't wish to break any laws downloading MP3s from the net when instead I can just get my phone to get em off the radio instead

My ears won't tollerate FM audio quality. Watch Youtube music videos and save the stream. :rolleyes:

OutlawPete

cnocbui wrote: »

My ears won't tollerate FM audio quality. Watch Youtube music videos and save the stream. :rolleyes:

FM Audio quality can be excellent depending on the phone. On my Samsung G600 you can hardly tell the difference between the Fm Radio and an MP3.

If you get a cheap crap phone then it's going to sound hollow like analouge AM or something.

OutlawPete

Nico22 wrote: »

FM Audio quality can be excellent depending on the phone. On my Samsung G600 you can hardly tell the difference between the Fm Radio and an MP3.

If you get a cheap crap phone then it's going to sound hollow like analouge AM or something.

Just seen that Vodafone have a great offer on this phone at the moment.

€189 for the phone on Perfect Choice 50 (€19 per month) .. not bad at all.

bluesfan

Very disappointed with the pay as you go price of this on 3. It can be bought sim free for the same money from play.com, €389.

OutlawPete

bluesfan wrote: »

Very disappointed with the pay as you go price of this on 3. It can be bought sim free for the same money from play.com, €389.

Amazon.co.uk have it for around €345 delivered ..

TakeTheVeil

Ebay seem to have it for around 300euro

OutlawPete

TakeTheVeil wrote: »

Ebay seem to have it for around 300euro

315 was the cheapest BuyItNow but P&P was 14 .. so 340 for a phone like this off Ebay I wouldn't pay.

Any problems and it's a nightmare getting it fixed. Had a few problems with buying phones from Ebay. BuyandSell.ie I would buy from but only if they had a reciept.

It's worth taking the risk on cheaper phones but no way on the more expensive ones.

cnocbui

Nico22 wrote: »

FM Audio quality can be excellent depending on the phone. On my Samsung G600 you can hardly tell the difference between the Fm Radio and an MP3.

If you get a cheap crap phone then it's going to sound hollow like analouge AM or something.

Your idea of excellent, is not the same as mine. If you can hardly hear the difference between FM and a good MP3, something is really wrong, since a decent bit rate MP3 is indistinguishable from CD.

TakeTheVeil

well heres one for £270 including shipping

If youre not comfortable buying on Ebay then you're not comfortable. But it is the cheapest place to buy it sim free

OutlawPete

cnocbui wrote: »

Your idea of excellent, is not the same as mine. If you can hardly hear the difference between FM and a good MP3, something is really wrong, since a decent bit rate MP3 is indistinguishable from CD.

So you have never got into a car that had an excellent stereo system and not known (without looking at the display) whether it was the FM radio or a CD playing?

If you pop into ICE in Ranelagh and get a demo of any of their mid-range kits you'll see just how good FM Stereo can sound.

OutlawPete

TakeTheVeil wrote: »

well heres one for £270 including shipping

That's €315 and it's from China .. I'm worried enough about buying from the UK and maybe having to ask the MPRC to fix it based on a european warranty

Rsaeire

Nico22 wrote: »

FM Audio quality can be excellent depending on the phone. On my Samsung G600 you can hardly tell the difference between the Fm Radio and an MP3.

If you get a cheap crap phone then it's going to sound hollow like analouge AM or something.

cnocbui wrote: »

Your idea of excellent, is not the same as mine. If you can hardly hear the difference between FM and a good MP3, something is really wrong, since a decent bit rate MP3 is indistinguishable from CD.

Nico22 wrote: »

So you have never got into a car that had an excellent stereo system and not known (without looking at the display) whether it was the FM radio or a CD playing?

If you pop into ICE in Ranelagh and get a demo of any of their mid-range kits you'll see just how good FM Stereo can sound.

On a handset, with decent ear/headphones, the difference between different sound sources, e.g. FM radio and digital file formats, mp3, wav, OGG, etc, is more easily discernible than in an open environment like in a car or sitting room.

OutlawPete

Rsaeire wrote: »

On a handset, with decent ear/headphones, the difference between different sound sources, e.g. FM radio and digital file formats, mp3, wav, OGG, etc, is more easily discernible than in an open environment like in a car or sitting room.

Well in my experience, it all depends on the quality of the radio. I find high-end Sony mobiles have cracking radios and their earphones also seem to far superior than Nokia or Samsung ..

However, the only Sony phone I am aware of that has FM Recording as a feature is the Sony T303 .. not a great phone.

Wish they would add this feature to their top range of phones.

Rsaeire

Nico22 wrote: »

Well in my experience, in all depends on the quality of the radio. I find high-end Sony mobiles have cracking radios and their earphones also seem to far superior than Nokia or Samsung ..

However, the only Sony phone I am aware of that has FM Recording as a feature is the Sony T303 .. not a great phone.

Wish they would add this feature to their top range of phones.

I'm sure you're aware why they won't allow that feature in future; hint, it rhymes with biracy.

OutlawPete

Rsaeire wrote: »

I'm sure you're aware why they won't allow that feature in future; hint, it rhymes with biracy.

Exactly and the Sony T303 only having 10mb internal memory & no memory card slot might have something to do with them only allowing it in that phone ..

Samsung Jet has it though .. and you can set the recording quality of the resulting MP3 also

Rsaeire

Nico22 wrote: »

Exactly and the Sony T303 only having 10mb internal memory & no memory card slot might have something to do with them only allowing it in that phone ..

Samsung Jet has it though .. and you can set the recording quality of the resulting MP3 also

I'm not surprised by Samsung offering a feature like that on their handsets, as they're an innovative company; other companies should take note.

rejkin

This has gone way down in price on vodafone pay monthly,it was like 189.99 to buy on friday when i checked and today its ony 109.99. Why would they reduce it like that when im sure its still like 200 in the vodafone shops

*edit* ok someone needs to tell me how vodafones pricing works because it says "pay monthly new connections" on the page,its not a new connection,all im doing is getting an upgrade,does that mean the phone is dearer or what? Heres the link to what im looking at http://www.vodafone.ie/df/shop/ProductDetails.shtml?handsetselected=329038&offerSelected=postpaidnew&action=view

Rsaeire

rejkin wrote: »

*edit* ok someone needs to tell me how vodafones pricing works because it says "pay monthly new connections" on the page,its not a new connection,all im doing is getting an upgrade,does that mean the phone is dearer or what? Heres the link to what im looking at http://www.vodafone.ie/df/shop/ProductDetails.shtml?handsetselected=329038&offerSelected=postpaidnew&action=view

From what I can tell, you'll need to login before it will show the upgrade price. At the moment, it simply shows what the price is if you're planning on signing up as a brand new customer.

OutlawPete

rejkin wrote: »

This has gone way down in price on vodafone pay monthly,it was like 189.99 to buy on friday when i checked and today its ony 109.99. Why would they reduce it like that when im sure its still like 200 in the vodafone shops

I don't know .. but €109.99 is a bargain .. and the €229 odd (€19.08 x12) added on only makes €340 .. that's not bad at all considering your getting all that credit too .. hhmmmm .. very tempting.

cnocbui

Nico22 wrote: »

So you have never got into a car that had an excellent stereo system and not known (without looking at the display) whether it was the FM radio or a CD playing?

If you pop into ICE in Ranelagh and get a demo of any of their mid-range kits you'll see just how good FM Stereo can sound.

I was doing my own custom ICE installs back in the mid 80's before there even were CD's. We had these funny things called cassette tapes, and even back then they produced superior sound quality to what you could get off FM radio.

FM radio is limited to 30hz - 15khz. A good Nakamichi tape deck could give you 20hz - 22khz and wouldn't require the music to be compressed the way it is with most FM radio transmissions.

FM radio sound quality is better than AM, that is about the only good thing you can say about it. It can't compare to even audio tape, let alone CD or or other digital formats.

You could confuse FM with CD in a car if the source music was of bad enough quality, granted, but with good material - no way.

This has gotten way OT, I'll shut up now.

metalmessiah88

the samsung jet just dropped price on vodafone contract today down to €79 on the pc 200 €49 per month

OutlawPete

cnocbui wrote: »

FM radio is limited to 30hz - 15khz. A good Nakamichi tape deck could give you 20hz - 22khz and wouldn't require the music to be compressed the way it is with most FM radio transmissions.

.. and what's MP3 compressed to?

cnocbui wrote: »

You could confuse FM with CD in a car if the source music was of bad enough quality, granted, but with good material - no way.

Well I just don't see how anyone could say their ears couldn't 'tolerate' FM radio. I'm not suggesting it's better but it can be damn good. I'd rather listen to the FM Stereo on a good system than an MP3 on a bad one.

I find that the better the tuner and antenna / aerial the better the quality of sound.

cnocbui wrote: »

This has gotten way OT, I'll shut up now.

Slighty OT but I'm still hoping to get the Jet for the specific purpose of recording FM radio while I'm out and about and if I get it I shall post a link to an MP3 recording that I make with it ..

So far the best quality MP3 recording I made with a phone was with a Samsung Ultra Touch .. cracking phone but the screen is far too narrow to be used as a touch screen I think. The Jet's screen looks about 50% bigger.

cnocbui

Nico22 wrote: »

.. and what's MP3 compressed to?

FM compression and MP3 compression are not comparable. MP3 compression works by discarding quieter sounds which are being masked by louder sounds and are therefore effectively inaudible.
FM = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression

rejkin

Found a thread started on the main vodafone site about updating the firmware,apparently vodafone have not got around to upgrading the firmware on the phone and is 2 generations away from the latest firmware which fixes a lot of bugs in the phone.

The following links have the latest firmware but you need to flash the phone first which voids the warranty on the phone so dont do this if you want the warranty.

http://darkforestgroup.com/forum/index.php?topic=298.msg2321 - firmware

http://darkforestgroup.com/blog/?p=102 - flash guide

Im sure vodafone will get around to updating the firmware but I though id put this up as an alternative incase it doesnt get fixed.

OutlawPete

rejkin wrote: »

Found a thread started on the main vodafone site about updating the firmware,apparently vodafone have not got around to upgrading the firmware on the phone and is 2 generations away from the latest firmware which fixes a lot of bugs in the phone.

I was going to get one next week from them. What kind of bugs?

Have you got a link to the thread?

Abelloid

Nico22 wrote: »

So far the best quality MP3 recording I made with a phone was with a Samsung Ultra Touch .. cracking phone but the screen is far too narrow to be used as a touch screen I think. The Jet's screen looks about 50% bigger.

I have an Ultra, it records at 64kbps.. unless you increase that? I don't use the radio on it.

rejkin

Nico22 wrote: »

I was going to get one next week from them. What kind of bugs?

Have you got a link to the thread?

https://forum.vodafone.ie/index.php?/topic/531-samsung-jet-firmware/

I doubt its major bugs,couldnt seem to find what it fixes but i say its just updates to make the phone run smoother

*edit*

Heres one blog about the firmware explaining about it
http://darkforestgroup.com/blog/?p=346
looks like the major update is the volume on the phone is apparently not great and the firmware fixes this.

OutlawPete

JustinOval wrote: »

I have an Ultra, it records at 64kbps.. unless you increase that? I don't use the radio on it.

Yeah, you can increase that by selecting 'High Quality Recordings' in radio settings.

I had an Ultra Touch but it did my head in. The screen is so narrow and I'd get a text message and it would take two or three taps on the 'message widget' to get it to open ..