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Medical Oxygen Cylinder Refill

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  • 17-08-2009 4:33pm
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    civildefence
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭


    I've ordered a new aluminium D-cylinder from America. Can anyone tell me if the likes of BOC gases will refill this for me or does it have to be one of their own cylinders? I know I probably should have checked this before ordering it. Any answers welcome, cheers.
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    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    civildefence wrote: »
    I've ordered a new aluminium D-cylinder from America. Can anyone tell me if the likes of BOC gases will refill this for me or does it have to be one of their own cylinders? I know I probably should have checked this before ordering it. Any answers welcome, cheers.

    Some will.....some wont!!

    I've pm'd you.....other ways:D


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    Prenderb
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Prenderb


    If they don't (and I think they do, but I can''t think offhand of which one the D cylinder is.... :P ), try some of the other gas suppliers which you will be able to find on google....


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    ScubaDave
    Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭ScubaDave


    How friendly are you with your local HSE!? ;)


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    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    They wont if its an american cylinder.

    They are different colours. If you have a real use for the cylinder would you not just do it the easy way.


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    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    maglite wrote: »
    They wont if its an american cylinder.

    They are different colours. If you have a real use for the cylinder would you not just do it the easy way.

    Thats expensive enough.......rental and all that.


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    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    I'm fully willing to be corrected on this, and i'm sure they are a bit off but.

    I have a feeling a D is only 50 for the year a CD 118, and if you pop down to get them filled its 7 and 18 respectively.
    I could be off on these, as i've never had to foot the bill but if they are right its not really that bad.

    I also feel the need to ask why you would need such. If your working be it Full time or vol, surely these are supplied, if you supply your own do you assume liability? If its for a just in case, would you be covered to admin this while not covered by an organisation or Doctor. It is seen as a medication. I think it would put you into iffy territory. Unless its a Hangover cure, in which case ITS WAY TOO SMALL, HX ftw


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    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    maglite wrote: »
    I'm fulling willing to be corrected on this, and i'm sure they are a bit off but.

    I have a feeling a D is only 50 for the year a CD 118, and if you pop down to get them filled its 7 and 18 respectivly.
    I could be off on these, as i've never had to foot the bill but if they are right its not really that bad.

    I also feel the need to ask why you would need such. If your working be it Full time or vol, surely these are supplied, if you supply your own do you assume liability? If its for a just in case, would you be covered to admin this while not covered by an organisation or Doctor. It is seen as a medication. I think it would put you into iffy territory. Unless its a Hangover cure, in which case ITS WAY TOO SMALL, HX ftw

    The D was a one off fee for the cylinder and then rental of 11.75 a month. The refills sound about right. Not 100% on the fees as I dont rent mine.

    I have two CD cylinders. On in car and one at home to swap out (normally use a Cd a week)

    Although oxygen is a medication if you are certifed as an EFr or above and follow your CPGs you have no problem with adminstering O2. There is no liability once you follow your CPGs. Your thinking too much with a voluntary organisations own regs and training. You do NOT have to be covered by an organisation or Doctor to adminster O2....again once your approved by PHECC as an EFR or above. There is no iffy territory for a trained EFR or above.


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    civildefence
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭civildefence


    maglite wrote: »
    I'm fully willing to be corrected on this, and i'm sure they are a bit off but.

    I have a feeling a D is only 50 for the year a CD 118, and if you pop down to get them filled its 7 and 18 respectively.
    I could be off on these, as i've never had to foot the bill but if they are right its not really that bad.

    I also feel the need to ask why you would need such. If your working be it Full time or vol, surely these are supplied, if you supply your own do you assume liability? If its for a just in case, would you be covered to admin this while not covered by an organisation or Doctor. It is seen as a medication. I think it would put you into iffy territory. Unless its a Hangover cure, in which case ITS WAY TOO SMALL, HX ftw

    My practitioners licence allows me to administer O2


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    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    Forgive the nosiness but what is the purpose of all this oxygen usage.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


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    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    breathing.......


    From what i've read from NGA, he would have a use for it. As for the OP regardless of I can, the why remains unclear.


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    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    maglite wrote: »
    breathing.......


    From what i've read from NGA, he would have a use for it. As for the OP regardless of I can, the why remains unclear.


    Should have seen that first bit coming.


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    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    wexfjord wrote: »
    Forgive the nosiness but what is the purpose of all this oxygen usage.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Absent/inadequate ventilation following an acute medical or traumatic event is whats in the CPGs.

    Thats anywhere that inadequate profusion is possible. Cardaic chest pain, loss of blood etc etc


    (and you should have seen that response comming from maglite:D)


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    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    Surely it should be Absent/inadequate oxygenation following an acute medical or traumatic event,,,

    One could be ventilating adequately but have poor oxygenation?, And I don't think this is the question Wex if asking...


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    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    Unfortunately i feel a need to know exactly what every other person on this planet is doing and why they are doing it. maybe i should have been a guard. For that reason i dont think i can sleep till i know what nefarious activities NGA partakes of and indeed what Civildefence intends to do.

    I have visions of some sort of club or masonic type order which mandates the carrying of oxygen and a blackberry or similar device at all times. Is there a secret handshake? If you say no, i'll know that there is, because its a secret and you cant tell me. Forgive me if i've gone off topic, I have nothing constructive to offer here.


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    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055197820


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    DubMedic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭DubMedic


    wexfjord wrote: »
    I have visions of some sort of club or masonic type order which mandates the carrying of oxygen and a blackberry or similar device at all times. Is there a secret handshake? If you say no, i'll know that there is, because its a secret and you cant tell me. Forgive me if i've gone off topic, I have nothing constructive to offer here.

    The first rule of the society is.. Never talk about the society.

    .


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    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    DubMedic wrote: »
    The first rule of the society is.. Never talk about the society.

    .


    I'd ask if theres a second rule but i'm sure you'd have to deny all knowledge.


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    #19
    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    maglite wrote: »
    Surely it should be Absent/inadequate oxygenation following an acute medical or traumatic event,,,

    One could be ventilating adequately but have poor oxygenation?, And I don't think this is the question Wex if asking...


    Maybe you should give PHECC a ring and express that point....... but i dont think PHECC have it wrong;)

    All practitioners have the right to questions CPGs, this questions will then be discussed at next Medical Advisory Group meeting and the Control working group


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    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    wexfjord wrote: »
    I have visions of some sort of club or masonic type order which mandates the carrying of oxygen and a blackberry or similar device at all times.


    CFR's????
    I would photoshop a CFR logo onto the batmobile but TBH i'm not that interested you got the idea.

    I might just send a mail NGA, i'd be interested in the rational. Might do a bit of reading first thou, make sure i'm not way off base


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    #21
    ivabiggon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭ivabiggon


    BUT why buy an american one???
    whats up with the irish ones


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    #22
    civildefence
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭civildefence


    AHHHHHH Jesus is this the Spanish Inquisition forum?! Yer all crazy i tell ya!

    OK i've effectively cancelled the order on the cylinder for fear I may have problems with it being from America, those of you who mentioned this are probably right so fair play. So let me see if I have this right....
    1. You cannot buy a cylinder from BOC, only rent one?
    2. BOC will only refill there own cylinders?
    3. A refill costs up to €30 and this is not included in the rental fee?
    4. I'm not asking the Civil Defence for one because of the red tape and dirty looks that it will attract.
    If say I do get my hands on a cylinder, can I just walk in to BOC in Bluebell and say "hey you, fill 'er up!"


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    #23
    djtechnics1210
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    Are you wanting to carry this around with you in your car/at home or is it for when your on cd duty


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    #24
    civildefence
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭civildefence


    djtechnics1210 wrote: »
    Are you wanting to carry this around with you in your car/at home or is it for when your on cd duty

    I'd be carrying it in the back of the van, happy enough to put stickers in the window and that. I'm compelled to get it as I came across a nasty RTA recently and the driver had a haemo-pneumo, took a while for the ambo to arrive and the lad needed O2 pronto.


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    #25
    djtechnics1210
    Closed Accounts Posts: 923 ✭✭✭djtechnics1210


    +1
    Great idea


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    #26
    civildefence
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭civildefence


    Just been on to BOC. You first off need to open an account, you then need a prescription and then you need to pay rental and refill charges.

    The only part I don't get here is the prescription. How, why, who and where?


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    #27
    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    Out of interest what are the current charges?


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    #28
    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    civildefence wrote: »
    Just been on to BOC. You first off need to open an account, you then need a prescription and then you need to pay rental and refill charges.

    The only part I don't get here is the prescription. How, why, who and where?

    Local doctor should give you one no problem.......but you shouldnt have to have one once your a PHECC responder (EFR) or PHECC practitioner. Your card should cover you. It does in Limerick and Cork anyway.

    Also if your properly trained (and if im right your EFR and have EMT booked with a certain Galway company??) then I believe your skills are wasted if you do not carry a properly kitted bag with you, which includes any and all interventions (IE O2)

    Following is the law behind it all.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2008/en/si/0512.html


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    #29
    civildefence
    Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭civildefence


    I agree completely NGA. I don't think people believe that until they come across a time where they need it.

    I didn't get any prices unfortunately as the guy I was talking to wasn't too keen on the conversation.


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    Preset No.3
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Preset No.3


    Did a quick search but the results are a bit old. Where can one do private EMT training? Is it worthwhile doing a course with John's abulance or Order of Malta? Thankfully Ive never come across a serious accident but I do nearly 40,000 miles a year and would like to know what to do.


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    robs
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    you will need and adaptor and you will be able to decanter from an F size cylinder this was common parctice before but now is not done for health and safety reasons. You would probably be better to get on to BOC and get a CD cylinder from them
    Private EMT courses are run by *snip* OR *snip*


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