PS3 Slim confirmed, €299

ongarite

noodler wrote: »

Needless energy waste overall, theres always going to be the % of people who just don't turn off their ps3 slim fully now.

Thats a load of balls. Do you know the power consumption of PS3 and CE devices at standby. You must have watched that stupid red-eye standby advert on TV too mant times.
The standby usage of launch 60GB PS3 is less than 2W which left on standby for a whole year, 24/7, would end up costing you around €2.50.

Actually physically turning the PSU on/off every time you play is causing far far more stress and strain to the electronics than leaving it on standby or on all the time.

Do you plug your TV (0.3W on standby), PC out the wall everytime you finish using it?

noodler

ongarite wrote: »

Thats a load of balls. Do you know the power consumption of PS3 and CE devices at standby. You must have watched that stupid red-eye standby advert on TV too mant times.
The standby usage of launch 60GB PS3 is less than 2W which left on standby for a whole year, 24/7, would end up costing you around €2.50.

Actually physically turning the PSU on/off every time you play is causing far far more stress and strain to the electronics than leaving it on standby or on all the time.

Do you plug your TV (0.3W on standby), PC out the wall everytime you finish using it?

Thats it, fight the establishment.

WolfForager

noodler wrote: »

Thats it, fight the establishment.

What establishment?

zuroph

THE establishment..

Kintarō Hattori

rizzla wrote: »

It's the same depth. Check out the vid, 1:48 onwards.

For the chap in the vid: It's depth and they were touch sensitive on the older one.

Wade in the Sea

Bet here in Ireland the new PS3 Slim goes on sale at the highest price! I had a look on a few sites around Europe and sure enough they are Eur299 in France and Germany, GBP249 in the UK, but I don't see anything for Ireland yet :mad:apart from one UK outfit that want Eur329.

WarZoneBrother

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

Bet here in Ireland the new PS3 Slim goes on sale at the highest price! I had a look on a few sites around Europe and sure enough they are Eur299 in France and Germany, GBP249 in the UK, but I don't see anything for Ireland yet :mad:apart from one UK outfit that want Eur329.

Im guessing they will charge 329euro bundled with a game and 299euro without...Probably bundle it with MGS 4 or Killzone 2, but won't have a different box..GAME usually offer games for next to nothing if you buy a console..

Kintarō Hattori

The slim model it seems can bitstream HD audio formats such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio direct. Coupled with the supposed faster Cell processor that's two interesting differences between the two models.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/ps3-slim-bitsreams-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-ma-audio-at-last/

RangeR

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Coupled with the supposed faster Cell processor

That is pure rumour and speculation. It's only basis is people like us propagating it. There has been no official word on ANY difference to the cell chip other than it's now 45nm based, hence needs less energy to run.

When quoting facts, stick to them

Kintarō Hattori

RangeR wrote: »

That is pure rumour and speculation. It's only basis is people like us propagating it. There has been no official word on ANY difference to the cell chip other than it's now 45nm based, hence needs less energy to run.

When quoting facts, stick to them

I specifically said 'supposed' good sir as it's being reported quite a bit.

WolfForager

€299 in Smyths and Xtravision anyway.

noodler

299e in HMV Henry Street too but sold out.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Sold out of the slim? It's not even out yet

Red Sleeping Beauty

JDxtra wrote: »

The fat PS3 never appealed to me due to its size and design. The same is true for many other consumers. It simply looked like the console version of a boy racer car. Now with this new design, I would put in my living room. Plus its a lot cheaper. They are doing this so it will be more mass market. If they dont, the PS3 will die.

Can't believe people are complaining about the looks of a console. I did however balk at the size of the PS3 and the new slimmer design is appealing. Why didn't they just drop the blueray thing altogether and make the whole thing way way cheaper ? Backwards compatibility wouldn't be preferable over being able to watch blooray movies imo.

WolfForager

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Can't believe people are complaining about the looks of a console. I did however balk at the size of the PS3 and the new slimmer design is appealing. Why didn't they just drop the blueray thing altogether and make the whole thing way way cheaper ? Backwards compatibility wouldn't be preferable over being able to watch blooray movies imo.

No PS3 with bluray = HD-DVD winning the HiDef media format war = Sony losing mega €€€.

Red Sleeping Beauty

At the end of the day it's a games console . Sony should've got their priorities straight . The success of bluray is debatable. Are people really paying an extra premium over DVD for some extra definition ?

WolfForager

Alan Rouge wrote: »

At the end of the day it's a games console . Sony should've got their priorities straight . The success of bluray is debatable. Are people really paying an extra premium over DVD for some extra definition ?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10288294-1.html

BluRay is already a success. For every bluray player sold, Sony get royalties from the manufacturer , same goes for the discs themselves.

Dman001

HMV in Blanchardstown were taking pre-orders for the Slim for €280.

noodler

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Sold out of the slim? It's not even out yet

The PS3 at a price of 299e. I dunno if they were already sold out tho, hard to believe the price drop had that big an effect so fast.

Kashkai

Alan Rouge wrote: »

At the end of the day it's a games console . Sony should've got their priorities straight . The success of bluray is debatable. Are people really paying an extra premium over DVD for some extra definition ?

Wrong, the PS3 is an entertainment unit, i.e. games, blu ray/DVD, music, photos, internet and now streaming music vids (amongst a great many other things). To state that its "just" a games console is like saying a Ferrari is just for bringing you from A to B.

Kintarō Hattori

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Can't believe people are complaining about the looks of a console. I did however balk at the size of the PS3 and the new slimmer design is appealing. Why didn't they just drop the blueray thing altogether and make the whole thing way way cheaper ? Backwards compatibility wouldn't be preferable over being able to watch blooray movies imo.

They couldn't drop Blu-Ray as that would mean every PS3 game on the market being instantly incompatible. Consoles cost so much to design, produce and market that a company such as Sony want to maximise its potential as much as possible.

With a projected lifespan of around 10 years they've crammed in as much stuff as possible to make it appeal to a wide market. First off it's a kick ass games machine. Second it can appeal to a Home Entertainment enthusiast with Blu-Ray, DVD, CD and SACD playback. With a 20, 60, 80GB+ HDD it's a very tempting machine to have as a HDD server for music.

If like me you take alot of photos it's a neat little machine to store them and share them with friends and family.

Making a console simply about gaming is no longer viable.

rizzla

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Making a console simply about gaming is no longer viable.

The Wii says otherwise.

noodler

rizzla wrote: »

The Wii says otherwise.

The Wii is ****.

CombatCow

noodler wrote: »

The Wii is ****.

+1

Kintarō Hattori

noodler wrote: »

The Wii is ****.

Alot of people myself included buy the Wii because they think it's going to be fantastic and great fun. After a short while the novelty wears off and it ends up sitting on the shelf. I haven't played mine in a long long time.

noodler

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Alot of people myself included buy the Wii because they think it's going to be fantastic and great fun. After a short while the novelty wears off and it ends up sitting on the shelf. I haven't played mine in a long long time.

Its honest-to-god useful when people are over, or at Xmas, etc but so are a deck of cards and B-Movies.

Brilliant bit of work by Ninty business wise but the DS is their only credible gaming machine this gen for me.

Kintarō Hattori

noodler wrote: »

Its honest-to-god useful when people are over, or at Xmas, etc but so are a deck of cards and B-Movies.

Brilliant bit of work by Ninty business wise but the DS is their only credible gaming machine this gen for me.

That's it though, a games machine shouldn't be just for when friends come over. Naturally when the missus and I got the Wii first we played Wii sports and had a laugh. When that died down I borrowed some games and gave them a lash.

Honestly playing Metroid was such a pain in the ass, waving the controllers around in the air and making it a real effort to play the game. I genuinely feel that other than novelty games such as Wii sports the control system of the Wii makes playing traditional games a real effort and hence takes away from the fun of playing.

I agree that it was good for Nintendo but with folk having bought into the Wii, realising its shortcomings would they fall for it with a second machine?

noodler

I fear the majority of the people who bought it don't use it enough to recognise its shortcomings.

Well, not fear exactly. I don't feel that strongly about to.

Kintarō Hattori

noodler wrote: »

I fear the majority of the people who bought it don't use it enough to recognise its shortcomings.

Well, not fear exactly. I don't feel that strongly about to.

I see what you're saying and you might be right.

Retr0gamer

The wii really isn't that bad of a machine. I certainly wouldn't buy one ahead of a PS3 or 360 but would definitely recommend it as a second console over a 360 or PS3. With all the awful casual games on the system a lot of really good games have actually been released on the system it's just that they have been ignored by most people.

It gets the most use out of me though for emulators after I softmodded it.

mayordenis

have to agree with retrogamer on this one- there plenty of quality there but it does involve sifting though a huge amount of ****e.

noodler

No doubt, I have to admit I haven't played the Wii Zeldas but how did they play? I mean I am sure it was the same basic game but was it simply a pain to use the remote? Did you constantly feel "this would be easier with a pad"?

RangeR

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

SACD playback

Unfortunately the PS3 hasn't supported that in a long time

Retr0gamer

noodler wrote: »

No doubt, I have to admit I haven't played the Wii Zeldas but how did they play? I mean I am sure it was the same basic game but was it simply a pain to use the remote? Did you constantly feel "this would be easier with a pad"?

It was a great game. Honest the wiimote didn't make much of a difference, it felt just as good as a normal controller except aiming was much better. I'm not saying that the wii's motion controls are amazing because really there they aren't anything special, what I'm trying to say is that if you are will to dig under the countless shovelware there's a few decent games that are only available on the wii that are well worth playing. It's not just zelda and mario galaxy, there's gems like no more heroes, de blob, house of the dead overkill, zak and wiki, world of goo etc.

Kintarō Hattori

RangeR wrote: »

Unfortunately the PS3 hasn't supported that in a long time

Oh I know but in mentioning that I was referring to the wonderous 60GB which did support it.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

Wrong, the PS3 is an entertainment unit, i.e. games, blu ray/DVD, music, photos, internet and now streaming music vids (amongst a great many other things). To state that its "just" a games console is like saying a Ferrari is just for bringing you from A to B.

Ah I see where we differ. I'm someone who got a PS2 within the first year and was foaming at the mouth cause I loved the thing. Still do... Anyway, I was left behind with all this "home entertainment" cack cause all I wanted to do was play some games. The PS2 having DVD playback was never a deal breaker for me. In fact, I got a DVD player and PS2 within a few months (DVD first).

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

They couldn't drop Blu-Ray as that would mean every PS3 game on the market being instantly incompatible. Consoles cost so much to design, produce and market that a company such as Sony want to maximise its potential as much as possible.

With a projected lifespan of around 10 years they've crammed in as much stuff as possible to make it appeal to a wide market. First off it's a kick ass games machine. Second it can appeal to a Home Entertainment enthusiast with Blu-Ray, DVD, CD and SACD playback. With a 20, 60, 80GB+ HDD it's a very tempting machine to have as a HDD server for music.

If like me you take alot of photos it's a neat little machine to store them and share them with friends and family.

Making a console simply about gaming is no longer viable.

What about Xbox 360 and Wii though ? Sorry, don't think I made my argument clear actually. Did they have to use the Bluray format for the discs ? I never bought into the Bluray project . I'd stagger a guess that your average home owner with a HD "flat" telly and a PS3 couldn't tell high-def from Mos-Def.

As I said, I just wanna play games. Easons or Komplett for cheap HDD storage, CD player for palying CDs, PC/laptop for internet, laptop/digital camera thingy for storing pics and Playstation for playing games.

All in all though this price drop gives a chance to anyone who didn't buy into the Ps3 first time round (well, up until now anyways). There's a good few PS3 games I fancy playing :cool:

GothPunk

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Did they have to use the Bluray format for the discs ? I never bought into the Bluray project . I'd stagger a guess that your average home owner with a HD "flat" telly and a PS3 couldn't tell high-def from Mos-Def.

People were saying that about games using DVDs when DVDs came out - complaining that the DVD drive put up the cost of the machine. Using DVDs meant that games didn't have to ship on 4-8 CDs, the same goes for Bluray, which capacity wise can be as much as 5 times greater than that of a DVD. They didn't 'have' to use the Bluray format for discs, but Sony, as with DVDs in the PS2, were future-proofing the machine.

As someone who plays PS2 games on a HD telly, I assure you I think almost anyone could tell a high-def game from an standard definition game. I've played Final Fantasy X and the Final Fantasy XIII demo on the same TV - there's a world of difference between those games visually and aurally. Of course there isn't the same amount of difference between a film on DVD and a film on Bluray, but I would think that if I showed you a copy of 'The Dark Knight' on DVD and then on Bluray, you'd see and hear the difference between the two.

Maybe you'll convert when you get your PS3. :pac:

Flecktarn

RangeR wrote: »

Unfortunately the PS3 hasn't supported that in a long time

Whats SACD playback?

GothPunk

Flecktarn wrote: »

Whats SACD playback?

Super Audio CD.

Flaccus

The slim may have proper HD audio bitstream support for those of you with expensive amps that can decode the hd audio formats over bitstream via hdmi

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/ps3-slim-bitsreams-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-ma-audio-at-last/

For me, I'll stick to letting the ps3 do the decoding and passing it as LPCM to my amp.

L31mr0d

Flaccus wrote: »

The slim may have proper HD audio bitstream support for those of you with expensive amps that can decode the hd audio formats over bitstream via hdmi

First bit of news about the slim which might actually interest me enough into buying it.

Came across this on stumble today:

Flaccus

I might be blind, but besides the 120gig drive, aren't the specs the exact same as the outgoing 80gig ps3 heavy ?

They say any 2.5" hard drive will work. I wonder will it handle the 12.5mm high 750gig and 1tb 2.5" drives WD just launched ?

thecross1

ripped off again

super_furry

Even more of a rip-off Game are advertising that you can get a PS3 Slim for the 'bargain' price of €149 if you trade in your 80gb PS3.

RangeR

Flaccus wrote: »

I might be blind, but besides the 120gig drive, aren't the specs the exact same as the outgoing 80gig ps3 heavy ?

Nope

super_furry wrote: »

Even more of a rip-off Game are advertising that you can get a PS3 Slim for the 'bargain' price of €149 if you trade in your 80gb PS3.

You don't have to purchase this bargain from Game. Not a rip off. They advertise a price, you can either haggle or go somewhere else.

Flaccus

RangeR wrote: »

Nope




You don't have to purchase this bargain from Game. Not a rip off. They advertise a price, you can either haggle or go somewhere else.

Care to elaborate on the specs then. The slim has a bigger drive and is obviously slimmer, matt finish etc.. than the ps3 heavy. It still has 2 usb ports like the 80gig/160gig, it doesn't have backward ps3 compatability just like the 80gig/160gig. Sure it uses less power. But what else is different ? And don't say the price

CombatCow

L31mr0d wrote: »

First bit of news about the slim which might actually interest me enough into buying it.

Came across this on stumble today:

Well you can knock $30 of that $40 HDMI cable... so the Base Plus is more like $340 :P


CC

Red Sleeping Beauty

I'm guessing it'll be cheaper to head up to Northern Ireland to get a slim or one of the reduced priced "old" ones ?

Retr0gamer

L31mr0d wrote: »

First bit of news about the slim which might actually interest me enough into buying it.

Came across this on stumble today:

A bit biased. You don't need a HDMI cable since the console comes with a component cable, no games really support 1080p other than some arcade games. Also the wireless adapter is optional as is a 120Gb hard disk, 60Gb should be enough for most people. You can also get the wirless adapter and live subscription for a lot less.

ongarite

Alan Rouge wrote: »

I'm guessing it'll be cheaper to head up to Northern Ireland to get a slim or one of the reduced priced "old" ones ?

Not really, the PS3 Slim is retailing for £250 which converts to €297 at current exchange rates.