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Part of Dublin to Belfast rail line collapses

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭Davy


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    The port tunnel will get some good use over the next few weeks, thats for sure.

    Of course the tolls will be reduced to help ease traffic congestion I'm sure ;)


    Second i saw the bridge i was thinking of the m1, its going to be madness, and then when the schools go back!


    I was trying to think back, i know they did the new track laying a few years back, but does anyone know if they did work on the bridge itself? They put extra stone along the banks from the bridge towards the city but i cant remember anything actually done with the bridge itself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭T Corolla


    Sure they might as well shelf metro north for the next ten years and lay a third track that is required on the line to the airport and be done with it. Ladies and Gentlemen I give you the Dart to the airport new T21 project after the rebuilding of the Northern Line


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 stevenmartin99


    Heres my short term solution ... :)
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Oul Baz looked shakier than the bridge on the news at nine. He didn't even have a tie on.:eek:

    They say several weeks, so we're looking at 2 months. Wow! Thats gonna cause some chaos on the M1. Im baffled how this could happen if regular maintenence was carried out. That viaduct is not exactly old and is not on any kind of raging river, high tides or not. Off course they will tell us that all bridges are safe and there's no need to panic. I remember a P11 press release in the aftermath of Cahir. They accused us of scaremongering. But you just never know do you.

    So glad nobody got hurt by this and feel great sympathy for regular customers who now face chaotic scenes. If its down to a maintenence issue, it should be used as a way to clear out all of those dopey twats in Amiens street. Hopefully we're told the truth either way.

    Anyone reckon this could be an excuse to shut Tara mines?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Its Irish Rail though so the pin men wont have smiley faces ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭foxy06


    Lister1 wrote: »
    Yep, I traveled over the line on the 5:10 from Connolly to Balbriggan(through Malahide around 5:25). Everything was smooth. Didn't notice any bumps at all...

    And how much do you weigh??;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    DWCommuter wrote: »
    That viaduct is not exactly old and is not on any kind of raging river, high tides or not.
    Have you seen the water flow there that occurs twice daily? It's as strong as any raging river due to the tides.

    How many times has the viaduct foundations been replaced in the 160 years or so its been around?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭cbreeze


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Have you seen the water flow there that occurs twice daily? It's as strong as any raging river due to the tides.

    How many times has the viaduct foundations been replaced in the 160 years or so its been around?

    That would be four times - two tides a day would be two floods and two ebbs


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Funny to see all the Malahide boardsies coming out to say hello :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    cbreeze wrote: »
    That would be four times - two tides a day would be two floods and two ebbs
    I'm talking only about the retreating tide as the Broadmeadows estuary is higher than the sea on the other side so the tide coming in has far far less force than the retreating tide which is very powerful as it drains back out of the estuary and drops by a significant height.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 russelljames


    So for those of us around Balbriggan now have to contend with this bridge collapsing, meaning no trains to Dublin. The 101 Bus Eireann bus now is delayed by about 10-15 mins a journey leaving Drogheda and if it doesn't take the M1 its another 10 mins or so due to roadworks. And no doubt both Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann will think of putting more busses on the route either.
    I'm with everyone above, I'm glad the driver noticed and this wasn't a tragedy. Standing at the platform with an enterprise going by shakes the ground as it is, the idea of an enterprise going at full speed over that is terrifying :|


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    I'm counting my lucky stars tonight as myself and my wife were on the last northbound train (in separate carriages) to cross the Estuary at approximately 6pm. We've played a few scenrios over and over in our heads and to be honest, I watched the Nine O'Clock News in my parents' house and my Mum nearly broke down crying she was so relieved.

    Going to be an extremely sh1tty few weeks trying to get to work :mad:

    On the upside, fair play to the driver of the Pearse bound train. That man can sleeps oundly knowing he averted a near catastrophe this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    What worries me is RTÉ are now reporting the driver continued to Malahide. Scary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    sdonn wrote: »
    What worries me is RTÉ are now reporting the driver continued to Malahide. Scary.
    Yeah, I thought I had read that right. It's normally a slow crawl across the Estuary at that time of the evening for Commuter trains heading south as they would stop in Malahide.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    huhu? maybe,obviously it wasn't a bad when he drove over it? his train would have made it worse


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭IIMII


    murphaph wrote: »
    This will pose a major problem for the mine I would imagine. The ore trains are very heavy-how are the loads transfered in Dublin Port (to presumably bulk carrier?)? It may not be easy to even use trucks instead.

    Irish Rail have a lot of questions to answer. Looking forward to hearning Kenny waffle his way out of this one. I'm sure FF are wishing they had reopened Navan now. It could have been quite useful. But I thought the east got all the fancy new infrastructure and the wesht was being starved.....;)
    Well, at a guess I'd say it means approx 100 truckloads of zinc per day through Navan, down the N3, hitting the M50 around to Dublin Port. Not sure about unloading facilities as there is a mechanised system in Alexandra road for rotating and emptying the wagons. This is going to **** up the N3 corridor as well.

    I'd say the mine train drivers are sweating this evening with the what ifs - those trains are seriously heavy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,613 ✭✭✭✭Clare Bear


    Jonathan wrote: »
    Funny to see all the Malahide boardsies coming out to say hello :pac:


    I know, rarely hear of many Malahide Boardsies :)

    I live on Bissetts Strand overlooking the estuary so will be strange to see my view when I get back to Malahide on Monday. Just thankful that no one was hurt. It may take a while but at least it can be fixed.

    Really annoyed that these things aren't checked on a regular basis though, people could have died today. Maybe they'll step things up a gear after this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭dochasach


    Davy wrote: »
    Plenty of water :rolleyes:



    The water was a bit low around sunset, but that was also near low tide. Highest tide of the year is 4.74 meters about now (actually 1:15 a.m. Saturday 22 August)

    I happened to be down at broadmeadows estuary with my family and camera looking for crabs. I took this photo around 8:00 p.m./sunset.6034073

    BTW I agree with Clare Bare and others and had assumed that regular surveys (heck these days you could do comparative laser interferometry and/or digital photo subtraction every few seconds!) Check this out:
    http://www.ensco.com/Rail-Surface-Wear-Condition


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,638 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    huhu? maybe,obviously it wasn't a bad when he drove over it?

    I am guessing he noticed something was up whilst driving over the particular section?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 fiddlesticks7


    jesus i waved my friend off from portadown on the enterprise that arrived into Dublin at 18.15, scary to think what could have happened eeeee!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 580 ✭✭✭karlr42


    Karsini wrote: »
    This will also have an effect on commuter railcar maintenance, how will they get back to Drogheda? Might need to go to Inchicore or Portlaoise instead.
    I have a feeling that this is going to become a major issue- some trainsets needed for other Dublin area services are no doubt stranded in the depot, and maintenance will be a problem too- think of all the empty trains running to Drogheda and back during the average day for refuelling, diverting these to Inchicore or(more likely) Portlaoise will impact other services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭ronano


    Thank god no one was hurt or killed but god unless bus eireann do some cheap lark i will have to shell out 250 euro a month for travel with matthews coach from julianstown. FML


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Once again the fragility of the Irish rail network, radial as it is, is demonstrated if the recent Bray closure wasn't enough. If Navan-Clonsilla was open the mines traffic could be running through there and trapped trainsets rerouted to the other side of the breach.

    The one thing about lines like Limerick Junction-Waterford and Waterford-Rosslare that the beancounters don't mention is that they do provide extra options when incidents like these occur. As murphaph said there, if Metronorth ran to Donabate that could take a whole bunch more people off the M1 now.

    The other point is that if Dublin Port had moved faster on moving port operations to Balbriggan, the mines traffic might not be hammering the suburban trackage as much anyway.

    @DWCommuter - I was just thinking that it might be time for a look at the Cahir report as a preview of what we'll read in the RSC's report on this disaster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭df1985


    it does make you wonder about the vunerability of irish rail routes.on the south dart im always worried about a rockslide along the cliffs.

    living on the maynooth line which hugs the canal,i sometimes wonder about the strength of the bank along the route.leixlip-confey stations' platform recently started sliding into the canal and repair work had to be done and it looked like a patch-up job, no significant strengthening of the bank the platform was sitting on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Dose anyone have any idea where loco 186 is?

    Its due for an excursion from Connolly to Wicklow next Sunday, I hope its not stuck at the RPSI depot in the North :eek:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭c4cat


    dcr22B wrote: »
    I'm counting my lucky stars tonight as myself and my wife were on the last northbound train (in separate carriages) to cross the Estuary at approximately 6pm. We've played a few scenrios over and over in our heads and to be honest, I watched the Nine O'Clock News in my parents' house and my Mum nearly broke down crying she was so relieved.

    Going to be an extremely sh1tty few weeks trying to get to work :mad:

    On the upside, fair play to the driver of the Pearse bound train. That man can sleeps oundly knowing he averted a near catastrophe this evening.

    I think that driver deserves a Medal at the very least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,412 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dose anyone have any idea where loco 186 is?

    Its due for an excursion next Sunday, I hope its not stuck up North :eek:

    181 class, it'll be in Inchicore rusting away quietly surely? ;)
    karlr42 wrote: »
    I have a feeling that this is going to become a major issue- some trainsets needed for other Dublin area services are no doubt stranded in the depot, and maintenance will be a problem too- think of all the empty trains running to Drogheda and back during the average day for refuelling, diverting these to Inchicore or(more likely) Portlaoise will impact other services.


    They can refuel elsewhere if they have to - nearly sure they used to refuel locos in Maynooth over weekends when the line from Drumcondra in was out of action for upgrade works. Used to have entire trainsets overnighting there and lots of fuel-looking kit sitting on the sidings anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭Infini


    sdonn wrote: »
    What worries me is RTÉ are now reporting the driver continued to Malahide. Scary.

    From what i heard myself the Driver was actually driving over it as it was starting to go. Got one hell of a scare from it too! Thankfully noone was killed or injured tho im suprised myself that such a busy section of track could just collapse so suddenly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Just in from the aul raving, but I'll take a hi-res camera with me down the road tomorrow and pop up some more detailed shots.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    said it was redone in 97?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0822/1224253080907.html
    what does that mean,when was it last checked?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Just seen
    Jonathan wrote: »
    Funny to see all the Malahide boardsies coming out to say hello
    Clare Bear wrote: »
    I know, rarely hear of many Malahide Boardsies

    I'm always hovering about! Dunno where the rest of the Malahiders are normally :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    ooops


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Rashers72


    Anyone got any information on the replacement bus services?
    Just checked the 33 timetable. There are only 2 buses from 12-16.00 hours.
    All the customer service desk numbers are ringing out in Connolly, and the IE website just says get Dublin Bus. This is a joke. Basic information, that's all passengers want.
    If anyone has anymore information, much appreciated.
    Monday will be chaos unless they get their act together very quickly.:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    Rashers72 wrote: »
    Anyone got any information on the replacement bus services?
    Just checked the 33 timetable. There are only 2 buses from 12-16.00 hours.
    All the customer service desk numbers are ringing out in Connolly, and the IE website just says get Dublin Bus. This is a joke. Basic information, that's all passengers want.
    If anyone has anymore information, much appreciated.
    Monday will be chaos unless they get their act together very quickly.:mad:
    Rashers, you have a point but I guarantee you they had no contingency plan in place for this but they're simply going to have to expand the 33 service for the next few weeks or there'll be a lot of irate train users (like myself and my wife) having some serious words!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Rashers72 wrote: »
    Anyone got any information on the replacement bus services?
    Just checked the 33 timetable. There are only 2 buses from 12-16.00 hours.
    All the customer service desk numbers are ringing out in Connolly, and the IE website just says get Dublin Bus. This is a joke. Basic information, that's all passengers want.
    If anyone has anymore information, much appreciated.
    Monday will be chaos unless they get their act together very quickly.:mad:

    I think a little patience is required here. This incident happened at about 1830 yesterday.

    Buses, trains, and drivers will now have to be sourced and scheduled and that does not happen overnight. I'm sure that either later today or tomorrow some semblance of a plan will develop.

    The other problem is that whether Dublin Bus have spare vehicles/drivers available - people seem to think that buses and drivers can be sprung out of nowhere!! That may not be the case (particularly in the morning rush hour).

    Incidentally between 1200 and 1600 on Saturdays there is also the hourly 33A that could be used to connect with a 41/41B/41C/43 at Swords for the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    dowlingm wrote: »
    The other point is that if Dublin Port had moved faster on moving port operations to Balbriggan, the mines traffic might not be hammering the suburban trackage as much anyway.
    God knows what you are talking about as that was all just pie in the sky. Dublin Port will not be moving to Bremore, it was fanciful dreaming by the PDs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭positron


    I am not particularly fond of Irish Rail drivers, but I was going commend and applaud this driver for the medal for noticing the collapsed section, but as I started typing this, news came on radio that the train actually went over it, and the section collapsed just after the train went over it, and the 50-60 passengers had a narrow escape. Hmm, I suppose its still good of him to it giving away under the train, can't imaging the nerves afterwards! Fair play!

    I was on the 7pm Enterprise which was cancelled. Everyone was asked to get off the train and wait for the buses. A group of about 400 were waiting for alternate transport near the station car park. 30 mins later there was a serious risk of death by laughter when the 'transport' arrived - a 20 seater mini-coach-thingee! :D Then one proper coach turned up. Then nothing for another 45 mins. Finally more small coaches arrived and a large bus around 8:15, which finally made it to Drogheda station by around 9:20pm.

    I have to say the rail users are such a merry bunch - the 3 to 400 people out waiting for IR to arrange coaches for nearly 2 hours, infants in buggies, people with long haul flight tags on their luggages, daily commuters, teenagers returning from shopping, old and frails grannies - they all just stood there chatting, laughing, smoking, munching, listening to whatever - I know for a fact that in many other parts of the world this would have lead to tut tutting, heated debates, fingers pointed at etc..! Top marks to the rail users!! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    positron wrote: »

    I was on the 7pm Enterprise which was cancelled. Everyone was asked to get off the train and wait for the buses. A group of about 400 were waiting for alternate transport near the station car park. 30 mins later there was a serious risk of death by laughter when the 'transport' arrived - a 20 seater mini-coach-thingee! :D Then one proper coach turned up. Then nothing for another 45 mins. Finally more small coaches arrived and a large bus around 8:15, which finally made it to Drogheda station by around 9:20pm.

    did you know what happened at that stage?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    "In february and March 2004 additional rock and concrete fill was added to provide additional protection against the elements."

    Source: IRRS Journal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭Rashers72


    I wonder could Fingal Co Council open up some of the green space in Malahide castle grounds as a temporary/emergency park and ride, if the rebuild is going to take a few weeks?
    I think we need some joined together thinking on workarounds.
    Unfortunately, Irish Rail are at their worst during delays etc., so unless someone else puts on on their thinking caps we could be left with the 33 plus a few coaches here and there.
    The M1/Port Tunnel will be a disaster if everyone has to drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    Rashers72 wrote: »
    I wonder could Fingal Co Council open up some of the green space in Malahide castle grounds as a temporary/emergency park and ride, if the rebuild is going to take a few weeks?
    Great idea, you should seriously contact your local representative in politics/FCC about this one.

    Traffic would still be a nightmare from Lissenhall, to Seatown and on to Malahide but how and ever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    KC61 wrote: »
    The other problem is that whether Dublin Bus have spare vehicles/drivers available - people seem to think that buses and drivers can be sprung out of nowhere!! That may not be the case (particularly in the morning rush hour).
    No problem there, all those DB and BE drivers and vehicles that were supposed to given the chop can now relax for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭positron


    did you know what happened at that stage?

    Well, IR staff said a 'bridge collapse' near Malahide, which I took as a rail over-bridge collapse..! No, I didn't know it was at the estuary.

    The coaches were taking everyone to Drogheda, and the enterprise service to pick up people from Drogheda. I don't know how long they had to wait for that in Drogheda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    While Im not trying to purposefully sound negative, there have been various accidents and weather related issues on Dublins road network, that have caused serious but thankfully shortlived chaos. The one key observation that Ive made is the deplorable lack of a plan to manage the repercussions of these events. This bridge collapse is crippling one of the countrys busiest rail lines. There is absolutely no doubt that chaos will rein on the roads and buses. There is no back up plan to manage it. I mentioned it here;

    http://www.informer.ie/article007.html?&tx_ttnews[pointer]=3&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=350&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12&cHash=08303e8394

    and here;

    http://www.informer.ie/article007.html?&tx_ttnews[pointer]=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=484&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12&cHash=383a82d354

    For the last few years the weather has proven to us that it causes events that can cripple transport links. Yet we continue along blindly ignoring the concept of managing alternative options so disruption is kept to a minimum. Lets see what Monday is like. I dearly hope Im wrong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    Derek any input to my post here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭DWCommuter


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Derek any input to my post here?

    Well my description of a raging river was perhaps more exaggerated than what happens in Malahide, but I accept the flow is strong and very relavent.

    As for the foundations. I know the decking was replaced on the viaduct, but I honestly dont know if the original abbuttments are the ones it sits on, but wouldn't be surprised if they were. However it really isn't an excuse for them to collapse/subside etc. Notwithstanding our weather of recent years, viaducts like this should be checked thoroughly. I doubt what happened yesterday is souly a result of freakish weather. There is human error in this. What I dont accept is that many bridges and viaducts in the country are perfectly sound. The Shannon bridge on the Sligo line is in a frightening condition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 377 ✭✭Irjudge1


    From the photos it looks like a failure of the foundation on the central pier it would interesting to see a photo from the seaward side of the bridge to see if the pier has moved in that direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,988 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Dose anyone have any idea where loco 186 is?

    Its due for an excursion from Connolly to Wicklow next Sunday, I hope its not stuck at the RPSI depot in the North :eek:

    maawpe.jpg
    Who gives a f**k? Really, get your priorities straight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭hoser expat


    So to hire a 50 seater coach for the day costs about €400 when I did this recently for a school outing.

    Some enterprising coach company should start a shuttle service from each of the major affected stations, charge a fiver, and they'd do nicely. I say this mainly because I have no faith in anyone in charge getting their finger out and providing adequate alternate buses. There are at least 150 people waiting at Skerries for the same morning train as me every day...that's just one of the several morning rush hour trains. Probably 1000 commuters each way at Skerries every day?

    Hey, if Monday turns out to be a complete nightmare, maybe I'll arrange it myself.


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