Joseph Moshe - Arrested in LA by FBI for Going Public about Vaccine

Captain Furball

Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bio weapon in its vaccine.Joseph Moshe - BioMedical Scientist

Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bio-weapon in its vaccine.

Have any of you read about this story?I seen it live on the internet.Scary if it's true.

bonkey

Which is scary? That someone could be arrested for making such an outlandish claim, or that such an outlandish claim could be true?

uprising

bonkey wrote: »

Which is scary? That someone could be arrested for making such an outlandish claim, or that such an outlandish claim could be true?

This story is strange, they say they arrested him for making threats against the white house, fired tear gas into his car and he sat in it smoking,wtf?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/man-suspected-of-making-t_n_259330.html

another account
http://celebgalz.com/joseph-moshe-joseph-moshe-federal-building-drama/

some video's
http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx
Now what did we just see here ?
The suspect remained calm during a volley of tear gas and smoke grenade assualts. Seatbelt still on, not speaking or displaying any threatening behaviour whatsoever.
We also see a very cautious swat team backing off very quickly after spraying a stream of pepper spray into the (now broken) drivers side window.
However, the driver remained in his vehicle to the sheer amazement of everyone watching live.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1206515/Dramatic-moment-man-threatened-blow-White-House-Tasered-police-hour-stand-off.html#ixzz0OCOhnbQv
Police then fired tear gas into the suspect's vehicle in an attempt to force him to surrender.
But Moshe remained inside the car and briefly wound down the passenger window to let out the fumes.

He withstood four rounds of chemical agents before officers shot out the drivers' window with a bean bag gun.

GerardKeating

Captain Furball wrote: »

Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bio weapon in its vaccine.Joseph Moshe - BioMedical Scientist

Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bio-weapon in its vaccine.

Have any of you read about this story?I seen it live on the internet.Scary if it's true.

According to the real media, he was arrested for making "false bomb threat" against the whitehouse.

uprising

The Strange Case of Joseph Moshe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWf3kngl0oo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giavJC7Q-TM
Project Camelot and Bill Deagle reported a story that occurred on August 13 in Los Angeles involving Joseph Moshe, a biological-scientist with a dual citizenship in Israel.

Moshe phoned Dr. Tru Ott's radio show and said that he had evidence that the vaccine company Baxter was making a bioweapon that would cause a plague when the vaccine was released.

The day after Moshe phoned the radio show, a swat team surrounded his Volkswagen Beetle near the Federal building near the Israeli consulate which was apparently Moshes destination. The federal building was locked down at noon and employees were told to stay inside.

The mainstream media spun a story that Moshe had threatened the White House with a bomb, that there were outstanding warrants against him and that he was depressed. No mention of that Moshe was a biological-scientist or the information he provided on Dr. True Otts radio show about the vaccine company Baxter.

This resulted in an eight hour standoff. A large armored military vehicle with microwave weapon, a robot and other equipment were brought in. It was reported that the electronics of the Volkswagen and Moshes cell were disabled by the microwave.

Moshe sat in the car smoking for hours before a robot broke a rear window of the car so officers could see inside and try to communicate.

Police eventually fired 4 volleys of tear gas into the window of the Volkswagen. But Moshe remained inside the car and briefly wound down the passenger window to let out the fumes. Police broke the drivers side window of the Volkswagen and tasered Moshe.

NBC LA reported on Aug 17 that Moshe was in jail but Dr. Deagle says that Moshe has been sent to Israel.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/loc...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/world...

http://www.loadedparanormal.com/viewt...
http://projectcamelot.org/Bill_Deagle...
http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/

King Mob

Wow that's a hilarious thread.

"Here's something we don't know, therefore it must be part of a conspiracy!"

For example they say this guy's mother refuses to comment this must mean she's part of his cover story.

But then they trust completely unverified information from random sources.

And then some guy has the same name and this guy is a scientist so therefore the first guy must have been arrested for vaccine stuff.

Then the Nazis and the Mossad get involved.

As I said hilarious.

King Mob

uprising wrote: »

The Strange Case of Joseph Moshe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWf3kngl0oo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giavJC7Q-TM
Project Camelot and Bill Deagle reported a story that occurred on August 13 in Los Angeles involving Joseph Moshe, a biological-scientist with a dual citizenship in Israel.

Moshe phoned Dr. Tru Ott's radio show and said that he had evidence that the vaccine company Baxter was making a bioweapon that would cause a plague when the vaccine was released.

The day after Moshe phoned the radio show, a swat team surrounded his Volkswagen Beetle near the Federal building near the Israeli consulate which was apparently Moshes destination. The federal building was locked down at noon and employees were told to stay inside.

The mainstream media spun a story that Moshe had threatened the White House with a bomb, that there were outstanding warrants against him and that he was depressed. No mention of that Moshe was a biological-scientist or the information he provided on Dr. True Otts radio show about the vaccine company Baxter.

This resulted in an eight hour standoff. A large armored military vehicle with microwave weapon, a robot and other equipment were brought in. It was reported that the electronics of the Volkswagen and Moshes cell were disabled by the microwave.

Moshe sat in the car smoking for hours before a robot broke a rear window of the car so officers could see inside and try to communicate.

Police eventually fired 4 volleys of tear gas into the window of the Volkswagen. But Moshe remained inside the car and briefly wound down the passenger window to let out the fumes. Police broke the drivers side window of the Volkswagen and tasered Moshe.

NBC LA reported on Aug 17 that Moshe was in jail but Dr. Deagle says that Moshe has been sent to Israel.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/loc...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/world...

http://www.loadedparanormal.com/viewt...
http://projectcamelot.org/Bill_Deagle...
http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/

So just to be clear do you believe any old ****e that's on the internet?

uprising

GerardKeating wrote: »

According to the real media, he was arrested for making "false bomb threat" against the whitehouse.

Yes, the real media forgot to mention he was Joseph Moshe, a biological-scientist, read my post above.
The REAL media also forgot to mention he had called a radio show 2 days earlier and warned against Baxter's swine flu vaccine.

uprising

King Mob wrote: »

So just to be clear do you believe any old ****e that's on the internet?

BAH,BAH,BAH BLACK .....................................

King Mob

uprising wrote: »

BAH,BAH,BAH BLACK .....................................

Your absolutely right I'm a sheeple because I don't blindly believe the conspiracy site.

Then maybe you can show some actual credible source that shows this guy was a scientist?

Because to me that looks to be a complete fiction.

But if a conspiracy site says it must be true right?

uprising

Moshe's neighbors said U.S. Secret Service agents went to Moshe's home Wednesday night, but he didn't answer the door.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Man-Accused-of-White-House-Threat-Faces-Charges-53492847.html

So this man threatens to blow up the white house, secret service knock on his door, didn't get an answer, and leave, what a load of bollllix...

Federal agents and LAPD officers spotted Moshe in his red Volkswagen around 10 a.m. Thursday, but he drove off, prompting a chase that went north on the San Diego (405) Freeway and ended in a parking lot driveway just south of the federal building in Westwood.

uprising

King Mob wrote: »

Your absolutely right I'm a sheeple because I don't blindly believe the conspiracy site.

Then maybe you can show some actual credible source that shows this guy was a scientist?

Because to me that looks to be a complete fiction.

But if a conspiracy site says it must be true right?

look at this page
http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/295329/William_O_Dawson

Publications

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• Gowda Siddarame; Tatineni Satyanarayana; Folimonova Svetlana Y; Hilf Mark E; Dawson William O
  Accumulation of a 5' proximal subgenomic RNA of Citrus tristeza virus is correlated with encapsidation by the minor coat protein.
• Tatineni Satyanarayana; Afunian Mohammad R; Gowda Siddarame; Hilf Mark E; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Dawson William O
  Characterization of the 5'- and 3'-terminal subgenomic RNAs produced by a capillovirus: Evidence for a CP subgenomic RNA.
• Tatineni Satyanarayana; Robertson Cecile J; Garnsey Stephen M; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Gowda Siddarame; Dawson William O
  Three genes of Citrus tristeza virus are dispensable for infection and movement throughout some varieties of citrus trees.

uprising

King Mob wrote: »

Your absolutely right I'm a sheeple because I don't blindly believe the conspiracy site.

Then maybe you can show some actual credible source that shows this guy was a scientist?

Because to me that looks to be a complete fiction.

But if a conspiracy site says it must be true right?

CREDIBLE SITE, says .gov, will this prove he's a scientist?
http://www.agri.gov.il/en/people/856.aspx

I wonder how you'll try move the goal post again??, you've been proven wrong time and time again, yet still you bahhhhhhhhhhhhh:
into the trailer now good fella, we'll take a nice trip to the slaughter house, bahhhhhhhh, that sounds great farmer brown, bahhhhhhhhh

King Mob

uprising wrote: »

look at this page
http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/295329/William_O_Dawson

Publications

<LI class=listHeader>TOP 3
• Gowda Siddarame; Tatineni Satyanarayana; Folimonova Svetlana Y; Hilf Mark E; Dawson William O
  Accumulation of a 5' proximal subgenomic RNA of Citrus tristeza virus is correlated with encapsidation by the minor coat protein.
• Tatineni Satyanarayana; Afunian Mohammad R; Gowda Siddarame; Hilf Mark E; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Dawson William O
  Characterization of the 5'- and 3'-terminal subgenomic RNAs produced by a capillovirus: Evidence for a CP subgenomic RNA.
• Tatineni Satyanarayana; Robertson Cecile J; Garnsey Stephen M; Bar-Joseph Moshe; Gowda Siddarame; Dawson William O
  Three genes of Citrus tristeza virus are dispensable for infection and movement throughout some varieties of citrus trees.

Yea that's Bar-Joseph Moshe, not Joseph Moshe.

And Bar-Joseph Moshe lives in Israel not LA.
http://www.agri.gov.il/people/856.aspx

Oh and they look entirely different.

uprising

King Mob wrote: »

Yea that's Bar-Joseph Moshe, not Joseph Moshe.

And Bar-Joseph Moshe lives in Israel not LA.
http://www.agri.gov.il/people/856.aspx

Oh and they look entirely different.

If you bothered to read anything you'll see he has dual citizenship

King Mob

uprising wrote: »

If you bothered to read anything you'll see he has dual citizenship

And?

They look different!

One guy's name is Bar-Joseph the other is just Joseph.

There is nothing to show that these guys are the same person.

Salvelinus

uprising wrote: »

BAH,BAH,BAH BLACK .....................................

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6th

Ok I'm in the mood to hand out very long bans for people who havent learned how to act properly ... bespite being here a long time!

worldrepublic

I really don't know what all the debate is for, I mean it's obvious, he's with the little grey aliens (who by the way have stated that they don't give a flying Fcuk about the vaccines -they just want the ancient pyramids for themselves).

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

And?

They look different!

One guy's name is Bar-Joseph the other is just Joseph.

There is nothing to show that these guys are the same person.

well, the OP makes the claim that they are the same people, I know this may come as a shock to you but people do often shorten their names, hell I do it meself. so its not unusual that he chose to drop the Bar part when he is in the states.

and the OP website has the photo from that website and the photo from the police files and I have to say there is a reasonable similarity between the two

so if its not the same guy then can you provide some info as to who it is??

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

well, the OP makes the claim that they are the same people, I know this may come as a shock to you but people do often shorten their names, hell I do it meself. so its not unusual that he chose to drop the Bar part when he is in the states.

and the OP website has the photo from that website and the photo from the police files and I have to say there is a reasonable similarity between the two

so if its not the same guy then can you provide some info as to who it is??

And some people have similar names. For example I am apparently a famous cricketer, rugby and soccer player.

They don't look alike.
They both have moustaches that's about it.


And the only evidence that he was going to go public with anything is an anonymous report on the internet.

And if this guy was going to blow the lid on the hole plot, why did they send a near army of SWAT to get him?
Wouldn't they just send two guys in suits and make him disappear?

And why is the "evidence" linking him to this plot still available?
How hard would it be to take down one or two obscure government and science webpages?

And how come they aren't doing this to the other "scientists" speaking out about the vaccine?

Here's what I think happened.
A guy sees this arrest on the news and gets it in his head that the government is doing something fishy. He goggles the guys name and finds this other guy with a similar name who works in virology (citrus plants are kinda like people) then this theorist jumps to the conclusion that the guy being arrested must be involved in swine flu.

Not a stretch of the imagination?

uprising

Joseph moshe was supposedly trying to get to the israeli consulate in L.A., he was caught at the federal building, both of which are on Wilshire Blvd, L.A..

Federal Building
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Los Angeles, CA 90024, USA
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Mahatma coat

OK then, if thats not the same person, who is the guy they arrested??

is he the same guy who called coast to coast?? ya know, the one sayin he was a bioligist.

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK then, if thats not the same person, who is the guy they arrested??

I don't know. I haven't claimed to know.

And what difference does that make exactly?
They look different.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

is he the same guy who called coast to coast?? ya know, the one sayin he was a bioligist.

You mean the call in show that doesn't fact check and is taken in by pranks on occasion?

King Mob

uprising wrote: »

Joseph moshe was supposedly trying to get to the israeli consulate in L.A., he was caught at the federal building, both of which are on Wiltshire Blvd, L.A..

Federal Building

11000 Wilshire Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90024, USA

Yep if I thought the government was coming after me that's the first place I'm going to go.

How exactly do they know his destination?

Or was he just near the building?

uprising

Who or what exactly was this man?, yesterday there were video's up on a site, now they are gone, but in these video's this man with no mask or any type of respirator, sat in the car as 4 can's of tear gas were thrown in, the amount of gas was only fully seen in the video's the stills dont do it justice, it was a huge amount of smoke/gas in the car, it had no effect whatsoever, then they sprayed him with what seemed a few litres of pepperspray into the face, STILL! he sat there no effect.
This is the site and the video's have been taken off, it's worth a look even if it confuses things a little more. Theres a radio article about this strange case near the top of the page(borders on David Icke kinda stuff a little), but the reality defying video's are gone.
http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx

from the page: selective copy and paste
So now that everybody is up to speed, I suggest you buckle up.
This is where the Mad Hatters ride begins.
Since Mainstream Media has virtually suspended any further mention of this story, lets reopen it.
What you are about to discover is sure to surprise you.
WHO IS JOSEPH MOSHE?
Joseph Moshe (Moshe is the man's middle name) is a bio-scientist. He works (worked?) for a unit within Mossad. He is an Israeli citizen.

Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training.

Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest. After leaving police or FBI custody, he returned to Israel, where he is at this time.

True or not I dont know

Also on the page is a link
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/orlando2002/presentations/gcoleman/gcoleman.pdf
which names Dr Joseph Moshe as one of the team, in a masonic looking symbol.
Theres pictures of Dr Joseph Moshe on the page (I presume as the other project members are women), with hair 7 years ago.

And maybe Joseph Moshe got a hair transplant and a bottle of just for men, he was in L.A. after all.

indough

and facial reconstruction, i suppose LA would be the place to get it alright though

King Mob

uprising wrote: »

Who or what exactly was this man?, yesterday there were video's up on a site, now they are gone, but in these video's this man with no mask or any type of respirator, sat in the car as 4 can's of tear gas were thrown in, the amount of gas was only fully seen in the video's the stills dont do it justice, it was a huge amount of smoke/gas in the car, it had no effect whatsoever, then they sprayed him with what seemed a few litres of pepperspray into the face, STILL! he sat there no effect.

Yep that's weird alright.
It must be a conspiracy!
There's no other explanation.
You certainly can't get ****ed up on drugs in LA,

uprising wrote: »

This is the site and the video's have been taken off, it's worth a look even if it confuses things a little more. Theres a radio article about this strange case near the top of the page(borders on David Icke kinda stuff a little), but the reality defying video's are gone.
http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx

So the take down all these videos but not the site that "links" this guy to viral research?
Wow, the cover up squad is really crap at their job.

uprising wrote: »

from the page: selective copy and paste
So now that everybody is up to speed, I suggest you buckle up.
This is where the Mad Hatters ride begins.
Since Mainstream Media has virtually suspended any further mention of this story, lets reopen it.
What you are about to discover is sure to surprise you.

Well it was covered by local mainstream news it just wasn't picked up nationally or internationally.
But it sounds more sinister to say it's been suspended.

uprising wrote: »

WHO IS JOSEPH MOSHE?
Joseph Moshe (Moshe is the man's middle name) is a bio-scientist. He works (worked?) for a unit within Mossad. He is an Israeli citizen.

Hold up a tick. If that's his middle name then he can't be the doctor listed on the Israeli government website because that guy's last name is Moshe.

uprising wrote: »

Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training.

Wow that's quite the leap of logic there.
Why do they give Mossad training to a research scientist?

uprising wrote: »

Also on the page is a link
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/orlando2002/presentations/gcoleman/gcoleman.pdf
which names Dr Joseph Moshe as one of the team, in a masonic looking symbol.
Theres pictures of Dr Joseph Moshe on the page (I presume as the other project members are women), with hair 7 years ago.

http://www.spoke.com/info/pEyUI1L/JosephMoshe

He also spent time as a personal injury lawyer.
And a financial adviser and a real estate agent.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/joe/moshe

uprising wrote: »

And maybe Joseph Moshe got a hair transplant and a bottle of just for men, he was in L.A. after all.

And maybe that's a completely different person?

But I don't see how a hair transplant can change your entire face.

Oracle

.... and the moral of the tale is.... don't phone radio shows saying nasty things about Baxter.

According to Wikipedia, in early 2009 Baxter supplied an "unintentionally contaminated" vaccine material with a deadly influenza virus, to a series of European laboratories. The deadly strain was detected after it killed test animals in a lab. Thats a very serious "mistake" for a company that makes over $5 billion in sales (44% of it's profits) in vaccines and bio-pharmaceuticals.

2009 avian flu contamination

In early 2009 supplies of unintentionally contaminated vaccine material with Influenza A virus subtype H5N1 provided by Baxter International were sent to a series of European laboratories. The deadly H5N1 strain was mixed with the less harmful H3N2 subtype of the seasonal flu virus, and was detected after it killed test animals in a lab in the Czech Republic. Though there was a risk of serious consequences, Baxter claimed the controls over the distribution of the virus were stringent and there was little chance of the virus harming humans.

EXODUS251022

Very strange, Ukraine Plague

King Mob

Nope, nothing about a plague in the Ukraine here.
the original claim was:

Captain Furball wrote: »

Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bio weapon in its vaccine.Joseph Moshe - BioMedical Scientist

Moshe was dramatically arrested and detained by the FBI last week having earlier called Dr True Ott's radio show claiming that Baxter was incorporating a bio-weapon in its vaccine.

Have any of you read about this story?I seen it live on the internet.Scary if it's true.

mysterious

King Mob wrote: »

Your absolutely right I'm a sheeple because I don't blindly believe the conspiracy site.

Then maybe you can show some actual credible source that shows this guy was a scientist?

Because to me that looks to be a complete fiction.

But if a conspiracy site says it must be true right?

What's wrong with a conspiracy site?

indough

nothing as long as they can provide credible sources

mysterious

indough wrote: »

nothing as long as they can provide credible sources

The governments sites are not very credible at times. So it's really biased to be so against conspiracy sites for info.

What exactly is credible by your standards.

EXODUS251022

uprising wrote: »

This story is strange, they say they arrested him for making threats against the white house, fired tear gas into his car and he sat in it smoking,wtf?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/man-suspected-of-making-t_n_259330.html

another account
http://celebgalz.com/joseph-moshe-joseph-moshe-federal-building-drama/

some video's
http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx
Now what did we just see here ?
The suspect remained calm during a volley of tear gas and smoke grenade assualts. Seatbelt still on, not speaking or displaying any threatening behaviour whatsoever.
We also see a very cautious swat team backing off very quickly after spraying a stream of pepper spray into the (now broken) drivers side window.
However, the driver remained in his vehicle to the sheer amazement of everyone watching live.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1206515/Dramatic-moment-man-threatened-blow-White-House-Tasered-police-hour-stand-off.html#ixzz0OCOhnbQv
Police then fired tear gas into the suspect's vehicle in an attempt to force him to surrender.
But Moshe remained inside the car and briefly wound down the passenger window to let out the fumes.

He withstood four rounds of chemical agents before officers shot out the drivers' window with a bean bag gun.

POST#3

From this link above http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx

The information is this: The ******* is being manufactured in Ukraine. It is not a ******* at all, but rather an engineered genetically mutated bio-weapon meant to cause sickness and death. Moshe informed the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he became aware that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings in his car and set out for the Israeli consulate, located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. FBI pursuit kept him from reaching his destination.

King Mob

EXODUS251022 wrote: »

POST#3

From this link above http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx

The information is this: The ******* is being manufactured in Ukraine. It is not a ******* at all, but rather an engineered genetically mutated bio-weapon meant to cause sickness and death. Moshe informed the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he became aware that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings in his car and set out for the Israeli consulate, located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. FBI pursuit kept him from reaching his destination.

So random anonymous guy on the internet made this claim and not Joseph Moshe?
And it wasn't a plague that was predicted at all but an unverified claim that the vaccine (funny how they don't say which vaccine) was being produced in the Ukraine?

Colour me unimpressed.

mysterious

King Mob wrote: »

So random anonymous guy on the internet made this claim and not Joseph Moshe?
And it wasn't a plague that was predicted at all but an unverified claim that the vaccine (funny how they don't say which vaccine) was being produced in the Ukraine?

Colour me unimpressed.

So what does it take for someone not to be so random?


Does been "random" determine a judgment of the evidence provided. We could say the same for most people in the CIA, FBI, NASA, al random, unknown, anonymonous and even secretive. Again I'm trying to find the logic behind your biase!

So how is someone supposed to reveal info exactly when it's info that is been supressed.

indough

mysterious wrote: »

The governments sites are not very credible at times. So it's really biased to be so against conspiracy sites for info.

What exactly is credible by your standards.

something which does not rely solely on opinion and has some consensus from its peers, with solid evidence to support it

mysterious

indough wrote: »

something which does not rely solely on opinion and has some consensus from its peers, with solid evidence to support it

What's solid evidence, and who should we deem reliable? How should this man act, if the FBI are after him. Lets look at the facts of the matter and be real about the information as its stands.

How exactly should this supressed info be exposed? RTE news? If this is to be supressed and obviously not wanting to be outted, what exactly should this man do. This info is not going to get on mainstream news. The media and cooporations are a threat to exposure like this. Could this man go into ABC after getting dropped charges by the FBI? and (not randomly appear anyomonous as King Mob said and walk straight into ABC and give out this information and go live with Katic Couric.

I know, it won't happen. lol.

I'm still trying hard to find out what your trying to say, who should we exactly trust? Where should we get evidence from?

indough

what are you going on about mysterious? its fairly obvious that there is a distinction between credible and non credible evidence, you wouldnt get away with anything airy fairy in a courtroom for example

why does every discussion have to turn into some sort of abstract philosophical debate?

mysterious

indough wrote: »

what are you going on about mysterious? its fairly obvious that there is a distinction between credible and non credible evidence, you wouldnt get away with anything airy fairy in a courtroom for example

why does every discussion have to turn into some sort of abstract philosophical debate?

No I'm looking for clarity and proper perspective.

Again, you haven't really answered a direct question.
Who should we rely on for solid evidence?

Maybe you could elaborate how this man should get the info out without the FBI on his back?

Should we go straight to ABC and do airtime with Katic Couric, or will that mean his life would be under threat. What are your reasons and evidence to suggest dismissal to his claims despite the FBI been after him. So how should this evidence be brought forward, when you have the entire system up against you. governments, CIA, FBI and the media.

These orgainisations we trust.:D

6th

Lads anymore off topic posting (including reference to this post) will result in infractions/bans.

IrelandSpirit

Well one of the things Moshe apparently tried to warn about was that swine flu was not 'naturally occurring' but rather made in a lab, which does appear to correct:

"Two of the scientists who filed for a patent for a genetically engineered, artificial swine flu virus, work for WHO and St Jude's Children Research Hospital.



New Zealanders Robert Webster and Richard Webby are listed as patent holders for the US Patent Application 20090010962 - Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof

http://www.patentstorm.us/applications/20090010962/claims.html



Robert Webster holds the Rose Marie Thomas Chair in Virology at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He is also director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on the Ecology of Influenza Viruses in Lower Animals and Birds, the world's only laboratory designed to study influenza at the animal-human interface, according to Wikipedia."

I dunno, I clicked that link to the patent and it does look real enough... is it?

bonkey

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Well one of the things Moshe apparently tried to warn about was that swine flu was not 'naturally occurring' but rather made in a lab, which does appear to correct:

I'm not sure how you conclude that it appears correct.

Someone has made a patent application for potential uses of genetically engineered swine flu....ergo this particular strain of swine flu is genetically engineered?

There seems to be something particularly missing when you look at the text of the patent. Even without a medical degree, its clear that what the authors are describing doesn't match what is being observed in the current pandemic.

I dunno, I clicked that link to the patent and it does look real enough... is it?

Its in the US Patent & Trademark database, (which is available online and free to access) as a patent application.

IrelandSpirit

bonkey wrote: »

I'm not sure how you conclude that it appears correct.

Someone has made a patent application for potential uses of genetically engineered swine flu....ergo this particular strain of swine flu is genetically engineered?

There seems to be something particularly missing when you look at the text of the patent. Even without a medical degree, its clear that what the authors are describing doesn't match what is being observed in the current pandemic.



Its in the US Patent & Trademark database, (which is available online and free to access) as a patent application.

Not sure either Bonkey, what got my attention was that swine flu is supposed to be an entirely new and naturally occurring virus and yet it states:
US Patent Application 20090010962 - Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof

And the date it was filed and published:

Application Filed on June 1, 2005
Application Published on January 8, 2009

bonkey

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Not sure either Bonkey, what got my attention was that swine flu is supposed to be an entirely new and naturally occurring virus

I think you've picked something up wrong somewhere along the line.

This particular strain of Swine Flu is a new strain. Swine flu as a general classification is not new.

So its incorrect to say that swin flu is "entirely new". This particular pandemic strain is new....but there are a myriad strains already in existence, and given the mutability of influenza in general, its pretty certain that there will be a myriad more.

The research was also about a strain of swine flu...a genetically engineered one.

There is no evidence (nor, I would argue, reason) to suggest that these two strains are one and the same, any more then there is to suggest that these guys paper somehow indicates that the 1918 Spanish Flu (another strain of Swine Flu, incidentally) was also genetically engineered, and that it took 80 years for the genetic engineering to come to light.

And the date it was filed and published:

Application Filed on June 1, 2005
Application Published on January 8, 2009

I'm obviously missing something. what is the significance of these dates?

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Well one of the things Moshe apparently tried to warn about was that swine flu was not 'naturally occurring' but rather made in a lab, which does appear to correct:

"Two of the scientists who filed for a patent for a genetically engineered, artificial swine flu virus, work for WHO and St Jude's Children Research Hospital.



New Zealanders Robert Webster and Richard Webby are listed as patent holders for the US Patent Application 20090010962 - Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof

http://www.patentstorm.us/applications/20090010962/claims.html



Robert Webster holds the Rose Marie Thomas Chair in Virology at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He is also director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on the Ecology of Influenza Viruses in Lower Animals and Birds, the world's only laboratory designed to study influenza at the animal-human interface, according to Wikipedia."

I dunno, I clicked that link to the patent and it does look real enough... is it?

Did you actually read the patent at all?

3. SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

[0023]The present invention provides attenuated swine influenza viruses having an impaired ability to antagonize the cellular interferon (IFN) response, methods for producing such attenuated swine influenza viruses, and the use of such viruses in vaccine and pharmaceutical formulations. Such viruses are capable of generating an immune response and creating immunity but not causing illness or causing fewer and/or less severe symptoms, i.e., the viruses have decreased virulence

Seems that they were patenting a process to create a genetically engineered virus that was safer than the ordinary virus for various medical uses.

But if this was the virus currently effecting people and was part of a vast global conspiracy, why did they patent it and make this information availible to the public?

Application Filed on June 1, 2005
Application Published on January 8, 2009

Have you considered the possibility that this was because the patenting process takes time?

Nehaxak

King Mob wrote: »

They don't look alike.
They both have moustaches that's about it.

They do actually. The pic on the right gives the impression of a more relaxed, rested person when the picture was taken and the one on the left shows a distressed/scared and tired person who is struggling to stop being overcome by adrenalin. Otherwise, apart from the state of mind at the time both pictures were taken, it is the same person in both pictures. IMHO anyway.

My guess is that he had resigned himself to the thought he was going to be killed, so just remained calm and let things run the course.

Could point either toward a highly delussional state of mind or on the other hand that he's had some professional training of one sort or another in his life (military or otherwise) to deal with situations like he was in.

2Scoops

One is Joseph Moshe, the other is Mosche (first name) Bar-Joseph (surname). Two entirely different people, as if the photographs weren't evidence enough.

King Mob

Nehaxak wrote: »

They do actually. The pic on the right gives the impression of a more relaxed, rested person when the picture was taken and the one on the left shows a distressed/scared and tired person who is struggling to stop being overcome by adrenalin. Otherwise, apart from the state of mind at the time both pictures were taken, it is the same person in both pictures. IMHO anyway.

My guess is that he had resigned himself to the thought he was going to be killed, so just remained calm and let things run the course.

Could point either toward a highly delussional state of mind or on the other hand that he's had some professional training of one sort or another in his life (military or otherwise) to deal with situations like he was in.

Being relaxed gives you more hair and changes it's colour?

They don't look that similar at all.

They only thing similar is their name but even that's a miss cause one is Bar-Joseph and the other is just Joseph.

You realise the picture on the right was taken before the arrest right?

King Mob

gnisirpu wrote: »

And how exactly can a lab created virus give immunity to a naturally occuring virus?, surely the way viruses and vaccines work the vaccine would only give immunity to the lab created virus, or does it work on all viruses?, I'm confused by this.

You can gain immunity from a naturally occurring virus by using a lab created one that's been altered to be less virulent but still has the same antigens of the naturally occurring one so it promotes the same immune response.
That's kinda how vaccines work.

And that's not the only use of the patent either.