Libyan Pan Am 103 bomber released.

OhNoYouDidn't

oscarBravo wrote: »

Would I love to know who else was involved?

Absolutely.

I'm neither foaming at the mouth nor decrying the decision, mind. I'm just questioning the certainty that he's innocent. Sure, he might be innocent. But so might everyone else in jail in the UK, Ireland or anywhere else in the world.

Come on out of that. Even a cursuary look at the case shows huge question marks over his conviction.

- the only witness was paid millions for his evidence by the Americans
- even the airline believed the bag with the bomb was loaded in Frankfurt, not Malta as alledged by the above

You are picking on an anal point of semantics rather than look at the bigger picture : The release as part of a political deal of a minor Libyan intellegence officer who looks like a patsy who was framed to hide the truth. There is a reason this appeal has been spiked.

OhNoYouDidn't

Good piece by Fisk today on this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-for-the-truth-look-to-tehran-and-damascus-ndash-not-tripoli-1775813.html

prinz

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Good piece by Fisk today on this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-for-the-truth-look-to-tehran-and-damascus-ndash-not-tripoli-1775813.html

:pac: the words "good piece" and 'Robert Fisk' rarely go hand in hand. Example...

Rob Fisk - "Given the viciousness of their Third Reich predecessors, I've never had a lot of time for German cops,..."

Moron. There's actually some worth to the article above clothed in mock outrage and anti-establishment rabble-rousing.

Unfortunately he seems to have left out the bit where Libya accepted responsibility and agreed to pay compensation. He's probably close to the truth but there IMO was definitely Libyan involvement in the Lockerbie bombing. al-Megrahi, I'm not so sure the extent of his involvement.

dresden8

prinz wrote: »

Unfortunately he seems to have left out the bit where Libya accepted responsibility and agreed to pay compensation. He's probably close to the truth but there IMO was definitely Libyan involvement in the Lockerbie bombing. al-Megrahi, I'm not so sure the extent of his involvement.

Libya got absolution for the penance of Al-Megrahi.

His conviction stinks, I'm sure to Libyans his sacrifice in the national interest makes him a national hero.

When will the British government pay penance for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings? In fact, when will they make a pretence of co-operating with the investigation of same?

What have Fine Gael to say on their closing of the investigation of those bombings?

Hypocritical cnuts.

Come on Gordon/Enda, give us the truth, give up your terrorists to justice.

SLUSK

SeanW wrote: »

Sometimes I see things in this world that make me yell "What the f***"

One of them happened a few days ago. The Scottish Justice people let Abdelbaset al Megrahi, the only person ever convicted of the bombing, go free on "compassionate grounds" because he has terminal prostate cancer. He wanted to die at home.

Well boo-****ing-hoo.

The 270 innocent civilians he slaughtered for no reason did not get that luxury, the bastard should have died in jail, which true 'justice' had demanded.

It came as a disappointment, but not a surprise, to see yesterday that he returned to Libya - not only to not be regarded as a national disgrace - but to a rapturous heroes welcome with thousands in a cheering crowd and, from what I heard, escorted off the plane by Col. Gadaffi's son!

I'd like to borrow some of whatever they're smoking out there in Scotland. It's obviously good stuff :mad:

Did you ever think the guy might be innocent and they released him on "humanitarian grounds" to save face so that people would not see what a disgrace their judicial system is?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208432/A-2m-witness-payment-bogus-forensic-evidence-Pentagon-memo-blaming-Iran-How-Lockerbie-bomber-threatened-Scottish-justice.html

nacho libre

i wonder how many terminally ill prisoners get released from Scottish jails every year on compassionate grounds? Certainly any terminally ill murderer or rapist in a scottish prison will be disappointed if they do not get released on compassionate grounds in light of this case.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6069475/Father-still-seeking-Lockerbie-truth-after-20-years.html

irish_bob

nacho libre wrote: »

i wonder how many terminally ill prisoners get released from Scottish jails every year on compassionate grounds? Certainly any terminally ill murder or rapists in a scottish prison will be disappointed if they do not get released on compassionate grounds in light of this case.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6069475/Father-still-seeking-Lockerbie-truth-after-20-years.html

indeed , why not allow fred wests wife out for xmas this year , shes done over 15 yrs now and being over weight , shes bound to have a heart condition , she might even die some day:eek:

Mr.Micro

We can all jump up and down with outrage or sympathy at the release of the bomber but I do not doubt for one moment that the US, UK and all other associated countries knew that the release was going to happen.

It was far easier for the Scottish Parliament, effectively the proxy agent for Brown's Government in this case to sanction the release so that the slimy Labour party could pretend to be outraged and distance itself from the decision. So the pretend outrage BS from the likes of Brown and Obama rings hollow. Its the big picture that counts in the end and some deal was struck either financial or political IMO. The US or the UK do not do compassion for most prisoners let alone a convicted terrorist, so Gaddafi has probably offered some sweet deal.

Carawaystick

Wasn't Ronnie Biggs released on compassionate grounds about a fortnight ago cos he's dying too.
It seems a fairly humane policy.

I see the US govt are giving out about this, the same govt that shot down an Iranian Airbus in 1998 killing 290 people. How long did the perpetrators of this dreadful crime/mass murder serve in prison?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flight801/stories/july88crash.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
the wikipedia link has plenty of references to look up

irish_bob

Carawaystick wrote: »

Wasn't Ronnie Biggs released on compassionate grounds about a fortnight ago cos he's dying too.
It seems a fairly humane policy.

I see the US govt are giving out about this, the same govt that shot down an Iranian Airbus in 1998 killing 290 people. How long did the perpetrators of this dreadful crime/mass murder serve in prison?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flight801/stories/july88crash.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
the wikipedia link has plenty of references to look up

ronnie biggs didnt murder hundreds of people , he took part in a robbery which resulted in the death of one man , at best he was guilty of manslaughter , im not making excuses for the crook but thier is no comparison

A Dub in Glasgo

irish_bob wrote: »

but thier is no comparison

You are right, the evidence against Biggs was water tight and the evidence against Mergrahi was wafer thin.

Carawaystick

irish_bob wrote: »

ronnie biggs didnt murder hundreds of people , he took part in a robbery which resulted in the death of one man , at best he was guilty of manslaughter , im not making excuses for the crook but thier is no comparison

I see you ignored the mass murder part of my post despite quoting it.

Isn't the point of compassionate release not the fact the prisoner is dying and to allow them die in peace, regardless of the reason for them being jailed?

irish_bob

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You are right, the evidence against Biggs was water tight and the evidence against Mergrahi was wafer thin.

thats not the point but then i suspect you know that

irish_bob

Carawaystick wrote: »

I see you ignored the mass murder part of my post despite quoting it.

Isn't the point of compassionate release not the fact the prisoner is dying and to allow them die in peace, regardless of the reason for them being jailed?

i dont see that as compasionate , i see it as wooly headed liberalism and contemptous of the victims familys , only a chump would think compassion can be extended unconditionally

Carawaystick

irish_bob wrote: »

i dont see that as compasionate , i see it as wooly headed liberalism and contemptous of the victims familys , only a chump would think compassion can be extended unconditionally

Or a Christian.

I see you still ignore murder of more people by the us navy

A Dub in Glasgo

irish_bob wrote: »

i dont see that as compasionate , i see it as wooly headed liberalism and contemptous of the victims familys , only a chump would think compassion can be extended unconditionally

Only people out for vengence would think that

DoireNod

irish_bob wrote: »

i dont see that as compasionate , i see it as wooly headed liberalism and contemptous of the victims familys , only a chump would think compassion can be extended unconditionally

You obviously don't understand what it means to be compassionate.

irish_bob

Carawaystick wrote: »

Or a Christian.

I see you still ignore murder of more people by the us navy

im not a christian but thats for another thread and i dont remember ever discussing the u.s navy , perhaps your thinking of someone else

irish_bob

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Only people out for vengence would think that

answer me this mr marshmallow heart , do you think all prisoners who have been convicted of murder should be released if they happen to be terminally ill , regardless of thier crimes

honestly , i really do lament at the lack of moral compass of some people in this country , the fickle nature in the face of such obvious wrong doing

Carawaystick

irish_bob wrote: »

im not a christian but thats for another thread and i dont remember ever discussing the u.s navy , perhaps your thinking of someone else

Scotland's a Christian country, try shopping on a Sunday, the Kirk frowns on that sort of thing.

You quoted the part of my post about the shooting down of the Iranian airbus in post 61 of this thread. The USN are part of the US govt. Do you condemn them for killing more than the Lockerbie killers?

irish_bob

Carawaystick wrote: »

Scotland's a Christian country, try shopping on a Sunday, the Kirk frowns on that sort of thing.

You quoted the part of my post about the shooting down of the Iranian airbus in post 61 of this thread. The USN are part of the US govt. Do you condemn them for killing more than the Lockerbie killers?

that isnt in anyway relevant to the lockerbie case

A Dub in Glasgo

irish_bob wrote: »

that isnt in anyway relevant to the lockerbie case

The only relevant thing is that compassionate release is allowed for in Scots law subject to certain criteria. Mergrahi complied with that criteria.

irish_bob

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The only relevant thing is that compassionate release is allowed for in Scots law subject to certain criteria. Mergrahi complied with that criteria.

wasnt this one of the 1st instances of scottish law being enacted

donkey balls

there is a program on the shooting down of the iranian bus on nat geo at the moment gun ho trigger happy yanks

A Dub in Glasgo

irish_bob wrote: »

wasnt this one of the 1st instances of scottish law being enacted

No