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Liverpool v Aston Villa Match Thread
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23-08-2009 10:57pm#1
ESPN 8pm
Villa fans for understandable reasons are not at all positive about this game but it is not a foregone conclusion that Villa will lose (or be hammered) and in a strange way im kinda happy they have been completley written off prior to this game.
If Davies (not that he has been on form) & Carew start this game and Villa play 451 I would be a lot more optimistic. This type of game could actually really suit the way Villa are set up to play under MON in the past year by which i mean that they can play a fast counter attacking game. Assuming L.Young is still off on compassionate leave id like to see the following start.
.......................Friedel *1
Beye........Cuellar........Davies......Shorey
.........................NRC
............Petrov...........delph
Milner.....................................Young
......................Carew *2
*1 honestly wouldent mind Guzan playing but would edge towards Friedel still as will MON
*2 If Carew cant play id like Gabby here as despite not being impressed with him for a good while he did well in this role before Heskey was bought last season and we went back to 442.
Villa need to play a high tempo game where we pack the midfield and give Liverpool as little space as possible and playing NRC is essential for this. In all Villa's recent games he has looked a much improved player when actually played in his correct position and he could actually free up Petrov and Delph/Sidwell to actually have some for of creativity in the cntre of the park meaning Villa would not be 100% reliant on Milner & Young who will of course still be our main potential for attacks. Gabby could then be brought on (if he doesent start) as a late impact sub, and scare the crap out of a tiring (unfit) Greek or Ayala with his pace.
so it aint all negative for Villa although i still wouldent be shocked with a defeat tonightAgbonlahor I respect and would be worried about. Carew, not so much. Did he partake in Norway's recent thrashing of Scotland?
the vast majority of Villa fans would disagree with you on that on, Gabby can be a bit of a headless chicken at times and its been quite a while since he has been impressive while Carew as far as im concerned is essentially unplayable when he is fit and on form. Carew is Villa's best CF and most Villa fans want to see him as our lone striker in a 451 setup but lucky for you odds are he will not start against Liverpool as he will have a Virus / Toe Injury or whatever will be wrong with him this week instead.
and although it doesent support my point yes he played in Norways 4-0 win over scotland but didnt score. He is Norways main man though usually0
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Babel is the most frustrating Liverpool player to watch. In fairness he was marked out of it against Spurs, even Messi would have struggled with the quality of the ball and the marking!
Benayoun seemed to manage when he came onSo, let me ask you as a Villa fan (I assume you are) where is the attack going to come from on Monday?
Carew is far better than AgbonlahorLets not get hasty about judging martin o'neill. I dont agree that he is a tactical genius either.
He has performed above and beyond expectation at every club he has been at. He has also just lost his club captain. The player you mention that is the only threat in ashley young, was signed by o' neill for 10mil quid when most barstoolers had never heard of him. He has a fantastic knack of getting average players to perform above their normal ability.
If villa had the capacity to add 2/3 quality 'depth' players last season they would be in the champions league this year. It was a twist of fate that their season started in july last year and they ran out of gas with a thin squad.
Before benitez took over, it could just as easily been him at our club, and at the time, not too many would have complained about that.
Plenty of sh1te was thrown at him from fellow liverpool fans over the barry saga. These same 'stone throwers' then get in a twist over madrid doing the same thing to us over alonso. Arguably, barry meant more to villa than alonso to us seeing as he was homegrown and the club captain.
In short, oneill may not currently have a plan B but whos to know what cash he has available. Villa may be on a 'depression' at the moment but i would never ever underestimate a martin oneill managed team. The tide will turn for villa, there are too many good young players in that squad for it to drift away. I expect us to beat them but after they get over barry leaving i think they will push for 5th, and that really is all a villa manager can do unless he is super human.
At the time i probably wouldn't have complained about O'Neill either. But i think he'd now be found out at a big prem club. His teams are one-dimensional. He has spent a lot of money on mostly average players. He spent more than most teams in Europe last season (i think it was 50m) to take Villa from 6th to 6th. They have won something like 2 of their last 20 games.
The fact that they have a thin squad and ran out of gas is entirely O'Neill's fault. He's had plenty of time and money to address that problem.0 -
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I know, I felt so dirty all week looking at Carra and Benny in my lineup.
0-0 with Benny getting a hatrick would suit me.
And this is why I have a policy of having no Man Utd layers in my FF team, it would cause me too may conflicts
It is also why I suck at FF although hopefully this year without Ronaldo it wont be as big a handicap
I am hoping for a good win tomight with a performance like against Stoke, Villa are much better opposition but I think they are suffering with losing some good player and haven't settled yet
I will go for 4 - 0 with goals from Torres x 2, Kuyt and Johnson (this is my FF wishful thinking coming through)0 -
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I think this game will be much closer than people expect. The 5-0 result last year flattered Liverpool. 4 of the 5 goals resulted from a peno, 2 free kicks, and a box-to-box long ball from Reina, so it's not like Villa were played off the park, despite what the final result might reflect...
Villa's performance depends a lot on 3 selections. If Davies, Reo-Coker and Carew all start, we have a good chance. MON reverted to a 4-5-1 in the Europa league game - the formation which suits us best, so if he continues with that....
+ Ayala marking Carew could be interesting.0 -
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NekkidBibleMan wrote: »is caught out by Reina's trade-mark ball up to Torres sounds like they were played off the park to me.
Riera
and wat a goal it was too.0 -
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I think this game will be much closer than people expect. The 5-0 result last year flattered Liverpool. 4 of the 5 goals resulted from a peno, 2 free kicks, and a box-to-box long ball from Reina, so it's not like Villa were played off the park, despite what the final result might reflect...
Villa's performance depends a lot on 3 selections. If Davies, Reo-Coker and Carew all start, we have a good chance. MON reverted to a 4-5-1 in the Europa league game - the formation which suits us best, so if he continues with that....
+ Ayala marking Carew could be interesting.
Liverpool______________Villa
____5_______Score________0
____19______Shots________7
____7_____On Target______3
____4______Corners_______6
____62____Possesion______38
Looks fairly comprehensive to me.0 -
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I think this game will be much closer than people expect. The 5-0 result last year flattered Liverpool. 4 of the 5 goals resulted from a peno, 2 free kicks, and a box-to-box long ball from Reina, so it's not like Villa were played off the park, despite what the final result might reflect...
Villa's performance depends a lot on 3 selections. If Davies, Reo-Coker and Carew all start, we have a good chance. MON reverted to a 4-5-1 in the Europa league game - the formation which suits us best, so if he continues with that....
+ Ayala marking Carew could be interesting.
I've gotta hand it to you, that is the most optimistic I've seen a fan of any team after being torn a new one on the park.
There is no way you can have a 'lucky' 5-0 win. Villa were well beaten in that game, and were played off the park.
In fairness though, I did not expect Villa to be so weak for that game, their heads just weren't in it for some reason.
The only place I see Villa giving Liverpool a game is in the centre of the park - and even then I wouldn;t hold much hope.
If Krgywhatshisface starts, thats the Carew problem sorted - with him and Carra in the centre.
I agree Ayala would have a tough time against him.0 -
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