Murdered beggar sent cash for family's education

cruiser178

No one deserves to die because they are begging to make a few quid,but the romas take it too far ffs.Today sitting at a red light a young roma girl walked up to my window and handed me a photocopy card and walked off.
On the card was a picture of a young child in a hospital bed with tubes and wires everywhere.On the flip side of the card,it wrote, Jesus help,if you have any pity in your heart you will give as much money as you can to halp this poor child dying of cancer...blah blah blah.As i finished reading the roma girl came back and said, i take money now:eek:.This is ignorance at its worst.If i (as an irish person)did this id get jail and my pic in every national paper.

Mr Benevolent

> Stabbings common place
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> Rates on the way up
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OP, I contend that you're the problem. You read tabloids, believe them and tell others about the lies. Are you nuts or just naive?

pebbles21

cruiser178 wrote: »

No one deserves to die because they are begging to make a few quid,but the romas take it too far ffs.Today sitting at a red light a young roma girl walked up to my window and handed me a photocopy card and walked off.
On the card was a picture of a young child in a hospital bed with tubes and wires everywhere.On the flip side of the card,it wrote, Jesus help,if you have any pity in your heart you will give as much money as you can to halp this poor child dying of cancer...blah blah blah.As i finished reading the roma girl came back and said, i take money now:eek:.This is ignorance at its worst.If i (as an irish person)did this id get jail and my pic in every national paper.

:eek:What??? You didnt give any money to help that poor unfortunate child dying in hospital???

You my friend will burn in Hell for all of eternity!!

cruiser178

pebbles21 wrote: »

:eek:What??? You didnt give any money to help that poor unfortunate child dying in hospital???

You my friend will burn in Hell for all of eternity!!

With the few coppers i had in my pocket,i'll take that chance:)

cruiser178

cruiser178 wrote: »

No one deserves to die because they are begging to make a few quid,but the romas take it too far ffs.Today sitting at a red light a young roma girl walked up to my window and handed me a photocopy card and walked off.
On the card was a picture of a young child in a hospital bed with tubes and wires everywhere.On the flip side of the card,it wrote, Jesus help,if you have any pity in your heart you will give as much money as you can to halp this poor child dying of cancer...blah blah blah.As i finished reading the roma girl came back and said, i take money now:eek:.This is ignorance at its worst.If i (as an irish person)did this id get jail and my pic in every national paper.

Really bloody irritates me when people fall for their little scams. There's a lad outside Tesco in Drumcondra between the entrance and the car park (so lots of people have to walk by him - women and old people from the local estate mostly) and I see him cycling down the road with his backpack on, going 'to work' I guess you could call it. Just sits there all day, and he's obviously making something from it because he's been there for months.



On topic, YEAH RIGHT that woman looked for a job. Unless the objective was to rob the place blind.

If anyone went to Romania, or any other country for that matter looking for work and couldn't find any - they'd bloody go home.

Dyr

compare:
"but we feel there are still people with information who have not come forward yet. She had to be eating, sleeping and shopping somewhere. We are looking for all that information."


with

"In the months before her death, Ms Bratis had been seen begging in Dublin city centre, mainly on O'Connell Street and O'Connell Bridge. Gardai say she had not come to their attention prior to her murder.

so yer wan was beggin on the capitals main street and hadn't come to the Gardais attention yet they're tut tutting that joe soap never noticed where she was shopping? Bleedin clowns

General Zod

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Umm...

The woman sent Irish cash she scrounged off people home for her family's education.

No, she was sending Euros.


she was initially working and had accommodation, only resorted to begging when she could no longer support herself and was living rough.

At least she was trying to do something positive witht eh money recieved, unlike all those fine upstanding irish junkies at cash points around the city.

General Zod

Trey Beautiful Tonsil wrote: »

I dont feel sympathy for these Roma Gypsies at all,which she clearly was btw.

you know this how?

Degsy

My spider sense tells me she was murdered by another roma...whats the betting?

Euro_Kraut

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

If anyone went to Romania, or any other country for that matter looking for work and couldn't find any - they'd bloody go home.

Of course they is no such thing a homeless Irish person abroad.

Degsy

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Of course they is no such thing a homeless Irish person abroad.

Only place i've seen them in any numbers is london and they're usually alcos or junkies.

General Zod

Degsy wrote: »

My spider sense tells me she was murdered by another roma...whats the betting?

She wasn't Roma.

General Zod

Bambi wrote: »

compare:
"but we feel there are still people with information who have not come forward yet. She had to be eating, sleeping and shopping somewhere. We are looking for all that information."


with

"In the months before her death, Ms Bratis had been seen begging in Dublin city centre, mainly on O'Connell Street and O'Connell Bridge. Gardai say she had not come to their attention prior to her murder.

so yer wan was beggin on the capitals main street and hadn't come to the Gardais attention yet they're tut tutting that joe soap never noticed where she was shopping? Bleedin clowns

the two sentences aren't mutually exclusive. they are appealing for any information for the public who might know who she had been staying with or getting food from. She wasn't Roma so while the Gardai might have seen her about they might not have immediately caught their attention (as some beggars do) or she was smart enough to move when she saw Gardai rather than wait around for them to move her on.

Degsy

General Zod wrote: »

She wasn't Roma.

yes she was.

General Zod

I haven't seen it mentioned in any news reports, although I'm open to correction.

mike kelly

ShooterSF wrote: »

Surely you need a work visa to come to Ireland from Romania?

not if your begging

dr.bollocko

Degsy wrote: »

Only place i've seen them in any numbers is london and they're usually alcos or junkies.

Or Shane Mc. Gowan.

BizTalker

mike kelly wrote: »

not if your begging

C'mon lads, somebody was murdered,sure the murderer didn't need any permit to slaughter her!

Degsy

General Zod wrote: »

I haven't seen it mentioned in any news reports, although I'm open to correction.

She was definately a roma..ordinary romanians dont beg as a rule..and she looked like a roma..
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0818/bratise.html

The report also says she was back and forth between ireland and romania..a normal romanian wouldnt go on multiple begging-holidays like that.

Euro_Kraut

Degsy wrote: »

Only place i've seen them in any numbers is london and they're usually alcos or junkies.

Absolutely. There are large numbers of homeless Irish there. Its worth remembering that we have our own people heading abroad to beg and live rough. Its a very sad situation all-round. Anyone who thinks that begging and being homeless is a cosy existence needs their heads examined. Its an awful situation to be in and demostrates how messed up our society can be.

The poster I was responding to seems to be under the impression that Romas were the only group of being that travelled abroad to beg on the streets. He was wrong.

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

..and she looked like a roma..
.

"looked like" how, exactly....?

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

"looked like" how, exactly....?

Do you not know what a roma looks like?
I suggest you abandon your isolation chamber and come visit the real world.:rolleyes:

pikachucheeks

Nodin wrote: »

Compared to that stabbing in bray, shes barely got a look in. In Sindoworld, its the middle class that count.

Umm. Middle class or not, what happened in Bray was a terrible tragedy.
His mother's tribute to him printed in the papers made me cry

lol at the self righteousness in here. She was definitely a roma.

0ubliette

i wonder will the op flee the country and decry ireland as a lawless hellhole the next time an irishman or woman is murdered

Euro_Kraut

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Absolutely. There are large numbers of homeless Irish there. Its worth remembering that we have our own people heading abroad to beg and live rough. Its a very sad situation all-round. Anyone who thinks that begging and being homeless is a cosy existence needs their heads examined. Its an awful situation to be in and demostrates how messed up our society can be.

The poster I was responding to seems to be under the impression that Romas were the only group of being that travelled abroad to beg on the streets. He was wrong.

London isn't the other side of Europe though now is it?

General Zod

Degsy wrote: »

She was definately a roma..ordinary romanians dont beg as a rule..and she looked like a roma..
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0818/bratise.html

The report also says she was back and forth between ireland and romania..a normal romanian wouldnt go on multiple begging-holidays like that.

this was one person, you've still to prove she was roma, you're only saying "she looked like a roma" or "normal romanians don't do that"

this is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman logical fallacy.

Euro_Kraut

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

London isn't the other side of Europe though now is it?

I see. Its okay to go abroad to beg so long as you don't travel that far. Thanks for clearing that up.

General Zod

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

lol at the self righteousness in here. She was definitely a roma.

I've yet to see this mentioned in any media reports, normally the sunday world would be all over mentioning that if she were.

mike kelly

I don't think that anyone believes that beging is an easy life. All over Europe Roma gangs force other Roma to beg. The government should put a stop to this by either cracking down on begging or only allowing irish people to beg. If begging is not illegal then it should at least be regulated.

General Zod

It's also rather worrying that her ethnicity is mitigating peoples response to her murder.

Degsy

General Zod wrote: »

It's also rather worrying that her ethnicity is mitigating peoples response to her murder.

Funny that.
And you who's fault this is??
The roma themselves and thier disgusting behaviour.

Euro_Kraut

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

I see. Its okay to go abroad to beg so long as you don't travel that far. Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh don't be so flippant. Irish people have close links with London and it's not inconceivable that someone could have fallen on hard times over there. I guarantee not one Irish person went to england "cause the people are suckers and they can beg more cash from them".

Degsy

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Oh don't be so flippant. Irish people have close links with London and it's not inconceivable that someone could have fallen on hard times over there. I guarantee not one Irish person went to england "cause the people are suckers and they can beg more cash from them".

In actual fact a lot of people lived there in the 80's and early 90's because the dole was much better than over here,there was a big squatting scene and drugs were far more easy to obtain t han over here...it was(and probably still is) a vagrant's paradise.

pikachucheeks

Degsy wrote: »

Funny that.
And you who's fault this is??
The roma themselves and thier disgusting behaviour.

... Yet you extended your sympathy to an old man, loitering round the streets looking for cigarette butts!?
:rolleyes:

Euro_Kraut

Degsy wrote: »

In actual fact a lot of people lived there in the 80's and early 90's because the dole was much better than over here,there was a big squatting scene and drugs were far more easy to obtain t han over here...it was(and probably still is) a vagrant's paradise.

+ 1. Irish people 'scrounged off the British taxpayer fro years. Of course two rights do not make a right. But its worth remembering.

stovelid

Have to say this thread marks a low for me. I'll definitely be looking at some of the posters in a new light after this.

The worst thing she was guilty of was begging or being here on the sly. We're talking about a woman who was stabbed to death by some nutter in some godforsaken corner of a dark park for fucks sake.

Jokes I honestly don't mind, but to actually infer that ethnicity/begging and a violent death should be somehow concomitant...

Degsy

pikachucheeks wrote: »

... Yet you extended your sympathy to an old man, loitering round the streets looking for cigarette butts!?
:rolleyes:

Yep..because he dindt ASK anybody for anything,he was doing a bit of scrounging for ciggies NOT begging for money and he certainly wasnt holding up a baby,trying to distract my at an ATM or pickpocketing.
As i said in t hat thread,he didnt look like a down and out so its probably safe to assume he'd contributed to the country for many years.
What,exactly to roma contribute,except bringing thier children up to be thieves?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I don't like begging, but there is no way anybody deserves to die for it. Be that person black, white, yellow or where that person is from. Serial rapists and murderers don't get the death penalty, why should a begger?

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Do you not know what a roma looks like?

What knowledge I have or haven't really isn't the issue. You said

she looked like a roma

...thus I want to know what criteria you use when making that judgement.

Degsy wrote: »

What,exactly to roma contribute,except bringing thier children up to be thieves?

Funny, because the woman you claim was a Roma was sending money back to her children to keep them in school.....

lightening

Taltos wrote: »

Thinking it is time to leave this sorry excuse for a nuthouse.

OP, Did you not want to "remove" all beggars from Dublin's streets in an earlier thread about improving Dublin city?

Just seems weird that seem to find it admirable that she was sending money home that she begged for.

"Sorry excuse of a nuthouse"? Sorry excuse at sympathy.

Acacia

That's horrible, the poor woman.

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

Funny, because the woman you claim was a Roma was sending money back to her children to keep them in school.....

Says who?

Some rag.

But then the press release says

"
Ms Bratis was the mother of two grown-up children in their 20s who are still living in their native Romania."

Sending them to school,eh?

Over to you...hahaha

Dyr

Nodin wrote: »

What knowledge I have or haven't really isn't the issue. You said



...thus I want to know what criteria you use when making that judgement.



Funny, because the woman you claim was a Roma was sending money back to her children to keep them in school.....

Maybe she was sending them to THIEF SCHOOL

pikachucheeks

Degsy wrote: »

"
Ms Bratis was the mother of two grown-up children in their 20s who are still living in their native Romania."

Sending them to school,eh?

Maybe her kids are challenged and are still in the Romanian version of senior infants?

When my dad was in second class, there was an eighteen year old in his class. Didn't have the same special needs help they do now.

And speaking of "grown-up children in their 20s" ... My parents still give me money for my education!

Degsy

pikachucheeks wrote: »

And speaking of "grown-up children in their 20s" ... My parents still give me money for my education!

Are they begging in romania to fund you?

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Says who?

Some rag.

Poisoning the well already?

Degsy wrote: »

Ms Bratis was the mother of two grown-up children in their 20s who are still living in their native Romania.".

So its college then.....

Degsy wrote: »

Over to you...hahaha

Hahaha.

You forgot

she looked like a roma

In what way does she 'look like a Roma'? What criteria are you applying?

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

Poisoning the well already?



So its college then.....



Hahaha.

You forgot



In what way does she 'look like a Roma'? What criteria are you applying?

Give it a rest..you're cracking me up.

pikachucheeks

Degsy wrote: »

Are they begging in romania to fund you?

No, no! Begging in West Cork!

I guess the collection plate my dad hands round the church on Sundays is a more respectful, subtle version of begging?! :pac:

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Give it a rest..you're cracking me up.

Yes, I'm a bag of laughs.

Now, what criteria do you apply when deciding - based on visual evidence - who is or is not a Roma.