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Important - UCD Health Services Charges 09/10

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    #122
    Riamfada
    Registered Users Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    OnlyTwoInter wrote: »
    Having been elected a class rep last year, I went on Class Rep Training last year and enjoyed myself but having found out the cost afterwards and the amount of people who were on the trip who were not class reps i felt quite guilty. I'm not trying to make excuses but for as many people that used class rep training as an excuse for a piss up there were people on the trip who got valuable experience out of it that made them better activists for UCDSU. The facts on Class Rep training, for last year at least, are :

    • Students neither paid money nor were they themselves paid money in order to go on Class Rep training, unlike USI National Congress, where people were paid ten euro a day to go.
    • No free drink was purchased for anyone who was on the trip, altough cans were passed out on the bus which came out of Sabbatical Officer's Wages.
    • Everyone was given free dinner on the opening day of the congress, and free breakfast and dinner on the second day, as well as free travel to and from UCD and to and from the hotel and accomodation site.
    Imho, the cost should be brought down substantially, there is no reason for anyone who is not a class rep, or worse anyone who has not contested a class rep election, to be afforded a place on the trip.

    Auditors have their traning in the student center. Can the class reps not do the same?


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    #123
    mad lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭mad lad


    Nobody has ever argued that there isn't a need for class rep training, it's the need to hold it down the country that is bizzare

    There are generally 2 arguments;
    1) it helps reps socialise with eachother
    2) people wouldn't to turn up if training was held in Dublin

    1) I don't know anyone who can't 'socialise' (get pissed and have a good time) at the weekends in Dublin
    2)If reps are too lazy to turn up for training unless the SU provide accomodation down the country for a weekend, they shouldn't be reps & the union shouldn't spend thousands to 'incentivise' them into going

    Class rep training should be held in Dublin & should be open to everyone who wants to get involved in the union.


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    #124
    K4t
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    ^ Great post, lad.


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    #125
    Pride Fighter
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    gubbie wrote: »
    About 100 or so go. I think more is spent on USI congress per person though. You get to stay in a hotel :)

    Asking for the officers to take a pay cut is crazy. They already get paid ****. You have to give them an incentive to work.

    They get 22k per year and free accommodation. That is plenty. A reduction of 6-7 k is feasible IMO.


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    #126
    Pride Fighter
    Registered Users Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Grimes wrote: »
    No but unfortunately FEE were just another extreme of the same mentality. The grasped for "power" based of porjected support for their anti-fee campaign and when they lost the all but dissapeared from the radar.

    Students dont need FEE or the Union but impartial representation by people who want to make a difference, not advance their politcal carreers.

    I really think Ryan might come through on this however. Id be unpleasantly suprised if he does not.

    I know some FEE lads. They are good people, not power hungry and want to help the students.


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    #127
    Stepherunie
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    To clarify:

    They get 22K a year and guaranteed on campus if they want it. They don't get free accomodation. That's trinity.


    UCD sabbats are actually the lowest paid full time sabbats in the country.


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    #128
    [Deleted User]
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    Stepherunie wrote: »
    To clarify:

    They get 22K a year and guaranteed on campus if they want it. They don't get free accomodation. That's trinity.


    UCD sabbats are actually the lowest paid full time sabbats in the country.

    Depends on what you mean by paid - 2005/6 I was on €261 a week in Trinity, think it went up to €275 a year or two after that. But yes, the accommodation was on top of that.


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    #129
    Riamfada
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    Stepherunie wrote: »
    To clarify:

    They get 22K a year and guaranteed on campus if they want it. They don't get free accomodation. That's trinity.


    UCD sabbats are actually the lowest paid full time sabbats in the country.

    And the money they make on the side?


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    #130
    Riamfada
    Registered Users Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    I know some FEE lads. They are good people, not power hungry and want to help the students.

    I also know the FEE lads and girl. They dont like me because I told them that they should offer an alternative to free fees. I was branded pro fees as a result. Sigh


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    #131
    Stepherunie
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    Grimes wrote: »
    And the money they make on the side?


    In fairness to a lot of previous sabbats, I woudln't tar them all with the same brush. Some do, but as far as I was aware during my times, it was ents officers more than others.


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    #132
    Riamfada
    Registered Users Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Stepherunie wrote: »
    In fairness to a lot of previous sabbats, I woudln't tar them all with the same brush. Some do, but as far as I was aware during my times, it was ents officers more than others.

    There were some very good ones but they are getting progressivly worse and more "perk" orinetated. So between the sex, free nights out, extra money from the odd company and rumors of SU money going on Coke and not the caffine kind ..... you get my drift.


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    #133
    mad lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭mad lad


    Grimes wrote: »
    I also know the FEE lads and girl.
    The old gender balance isn't great but there is more than 1 female.


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    #134
    TheJeanGenie
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    Does anyone monitor the SU spending? Would no one in UCD call them out on this sort of behaviour and spending?


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    #135
    mad lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭mad lad


    Grimes wrote: »
    I also know the FEE lads and girl.
    The old gender balance isn't great but there is more than 1 female. :)


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    #136
    [Deleted User]
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    TheJeanGenie wrote: »
    Does anyone monitor the SU spending? Would no one in UCD call them out on this sort of behaviour and spending?

    What sort of behaviour and spending? UCDSU has nothing really to do with the Health Centre's funding, apart from a welfare fund, right?


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    #137
    TheJeanGenie
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    Dónal wrote: »
    What sort of behaviour and spending? UCDSU has nothing really to do with the Health Centre's funding, apart from a welfare fund, right?

    Sorry I meant the class rep training weekends.


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    #138
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Dónal wrote: »
    What sort of behaviour and spending? UCDSU has nothing really to do with the Health Centre's funding, apart from a welfare fund, right?

    I think at a time when the funding for the health centre has become such an issue, would anybody really mind if the UCDSU made a gesture along the lines of giving half the Ents budget to the health centre.


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    #139
    gubbie
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    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    They get 22k per year and free accommodation. That is plenty. A reduction of 6-7 k is feasible IMO.

    I'm pretty sure they don't get free accommodation. They get the offer to live on campus but they have to pay for it like everyone else.

    22k a year is about 500 a week. Thats not good wages.

    DIT's get 30k a year me thinks


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    #140
    errlloyd
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    gubbie wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure they don't get free accommodation. They get the offer to live on campus but they have to pay for it like everyone else.

    22k a year is about 500 a week. Thats not good wages.

    DIT's get 30k a year me thinks

    Thats the equivalent of working for minimum wage more than 11 hours a day 5 days a week...


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    #141
    Jesica Fletcher
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Jesica Fletcher


    This thread seems to have wandered off the topic of health care fees but here's my contribution anyway... It's all very well to say that health care fees are being brought in in order to safe guard services like the library. However, when I go to the library with a booklist of 15 books and can't find an available copy of a single one I kinda wonder what sort of service is being safe guarded. And when my tutor compares psyche notes to The Simpsons I wonder if my teaching standards are being protected too, as the students voted for in the SU survey last year I'm told.

    And to return to the used arguement, it makes me sick that we're all paying 157 for a shiny new unnecessary student centre and being asked to pay for health care at the same time. Yes, you can appeal to the Welfare Fund but what happens when more budget cuts means that runs out? Some of us don't spend 60 squids on booze every week and have to fund ourselves, 25 euro can seem like a fair whack when you're paying for rent, food, books... Whatever happened to the "broke student" stereotype anyway??


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    #142
    parker kent
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    Jesica Fletcher wrote: »
    This thread seems to have wandered off the topic of health care fees but here's my contribution anyway... It's all very well to say that health care fees are being brought in in order to safe guard services like the library. However, when I go to the library with a booklist of 15 books and can't find an available copy of a single one I kinda wonder what sort of service is being safe guarded. And when my tutor compares psyche notes to The Simpsons I wonder if my teaching standards are being protected too, as the students voted for in the SU survey last year I'm told.?

    Your point highlights the need to safeguard funding for the library because it is already underfunded as it is. They have had to scrimp and save left, right and centre to keep what they already have. What they need is more money, not less. So I get annoyed thinking of this and then hearing of the SU getting a huge Ents budget and all the other things mentioned here.


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    #143
    RandolphEsq
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    Jesica Fletcher wrote: »
    This thread seems to have wandered off the topic of health care fees but here's my contribution anyway... It's all very well to say that health care fees are being brought in in order to safe guard services like the library. However, when I go to the library with a booklist of 15 books and can't find an available copy of a single one I kinda wonder what sort of service is being safe guarded. And when my tutor compares psyche notes to The Simpsons I wonder if my teaching standards are being protected too, as the students voted for in the SU survey last year I'm told.

    And to return to the used arguement, it makes me sick that we're all paying 157 for a shiny new unnecessary student centre and being asked to pay for health care at the same time. Yes, you can appeal to the Welfare Fund but what happens when more budget cuts means that runs out? Some of us don't spend 60 squids on booze every week and have to fund ourselves, 25 euro can seem like a fair whack when you're paying for rent, food, books... Whatever happened to the "broke student" stereotype anyway??

    That is a good reason as to why we need fees in college. You don't get something for nothing!


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