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New huge 'Victory Christian Fellowship' centre being completed in Firhouse, Dublin
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Interesting - the below is from a Times article in 2006...more here. You might recognise the people in bold below from this page
Nothing extremely outlandish...but it really doesn't help things does it? Some of the alleged goings-on at the GMV firm make interesting reading. Certainly, if there were any truth to the employee allegations, they weren't very becoming of a company with such god-fearing shareholding directors. Maybe that was before they 'took up' religion
Global Mobile Vision owes creditors €1.46million
by Colm Keena / Irish Times 8th March 2006 Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:56
Global Mobile Vision, a technology company that went into voluntary liquidation last year amid a string of allegations from its staff, left a deficiency of €1.46 million, creditors were told yesterday.
A statement of affairs produced for the meeting showed the company had tangible assets of €8,785. The Irish Times was not allowed to attend the meeting.
The main shareholders, UK nationals David and Esther Crownborn, were not present at yesterday's meeting. Efforts to contact them were unsuccessful.
Global Mobile Vision is a UK registered business that had a trading address at Nangor Road Business Park, Dublin 12. It was incorporated in August 2004 and began trading immediately. It ceased trading in June 2005.
The company's stated principal trading activity was the marketing and provision of data services to mobile phones.
The company's Irish directors told liquidators Kroll, of Manchester, England, according to the report to creditors, that the principal reasons for the company's failure were "damaging allegations made by former employees" and the insolvency of a debtor company. The debtor company, which owed £326,488, was Paracletes Technologies, also of Dublin.
Two related companies, Paracletes Technologies and YBN International Ireland, went into liquidation in August 2005, leaving debts estimated at €3.5 million.
Employees are owed more than €160,000 in wage arrears and other payments, according to the statement of affairs. The Revenue is owed €150,633. Trade creditors total €115,179, while directors loans are €1 million.
The statement of affairs showed the company had laptop computers worth an estimated €8,785 and no other assets.
The trade creditors include: Crimeforce Ireland Property Protection (€8,468); Heneghan PR (€21,780); Murrays Rent-a-Car (€32,000); NTL Communications (€10,663); and O2 (€13,947).
Director Gerry Byrne, of Milverton House, Carlow, is owed €35,000, according to the statement of affairs. He could not be contacted yesterday. David and Esther Crownborn, of Kilininy Court, Firhouse, Dublin, are owed €680,928.
Shareholder directors are the Crownborns, Mr Byrne, Brendan Hale and Sheila Hade. The last three directors are associated with the Victory Christian Fellowship, of Westland Row, Dublin.
Last year, independent TD Finian McGrath told the Dáil that employees at the company had approached him with allegations of exploitation, intimidation, breach of rights, dismissals, failure to pay staff, mandatory working, threats and sexual harassment. He said he had been told of incidents where members of staff, especially female employees, were asked to give managers "hugs".
Global Mobile Vision has a website but does not state on it where it is located. A document on the site indicates it may have a business in Delaware. On the website, the company says the Crownborns invested more than €5 million in its Dublin operation. It said some employees did not prove suitable and were let go during their training period. It also says the company experienced some early cash-flow problems.
"Since these trainee and disgruntled former employees did not have any legal or legitimate claims to make against Global Mobile Vision and against David and Esther, some of them decided to take their alleged claims to the alternative tabloid press and to some rather fringe or extremist politicians," the website states.
© The Irish Times
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Denalihighway wrote: »exactly what I'm thinking. And the timing couldn't be better could it? There's a serious amount of downtrodden, demoralised people around as a result of the big R. A lot will be looking for alternatives and solace.
Which is as near to an admission as one could expect that the central tenets of atheism are depressing and disillusioning to the average punter. It takes a certain dogged grit to be an atheist.What's the bets we start seeing American style promotional activity before too long, with free food offering after service on Sundays etc...that should attract the cream of Ballycragh
ps no offense to anyone from Ballycragh...
How about Tee-shirts and mugs with a big A for Atheist? Or the The Brights campaign. What's good for the goose..0 -
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I didn't realise you appreciated any of the points being made, as the same arguments seem to crop up time & again, I stand corrected.
It's not an ad hominem, that is how you "debate" - as many an infraction & occasional ban from certain fora would attest.
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Bible quotes?
The arguments hurled at him? When anyone chooses to frequent a forum and regularly uses beliefs only held by Christians to try & make a serious point - often to non-Christians - that's going to be fairly par for the course, I'm afraid.
I certainly don't think Jackass is mentally inferior - jeez, I hope I never gave that impression...& I think he's completely consistent. He uses unverifiable sources of "evidence" to back up his view points - but he is without a doubt absolutely consistent in that.
Anyway, my aim wasn't to be nasty or personal to Jackass, the original comment was said tongue in cheek in relation to making arguments that no-one can ever counter & so he's bound to be fairly laid back. Others "bang the table" when they get stressed trying to make points because they get bogged down with trifling little details like actual verifiable evidence or at the very least, something which can stand up to some kind of scientific scrutiny - it wasn't meant as an attack on his person, what he does or how he does it. Soz Jackass.0 -
Well you don't really know that he isn't. The best you can really do is to observe that he doesn't agree with you - anything else is to make the grevious error that your sense of reason is perfect. Given the many theists who are quite capable of using reason, I think that it's pretty damn ignorant to say that the only reason why Jakass isn't an atheist like you is because he isn't applying reason consistently.
If Jakkass admits that he has in fact been a Deist for all this time then I apologize. But if he remains a Theist then I apologize for nothing. I don't doubt Theists use reason up to a point, ergo, the same point that a Deist will stop short. However, it is all the superfluous assumptions in regards to the wishes and thoughts of a deity that make it inextricably antithetic to the methods and practices Jakkass will learn and use while studying any Science.Are you lot completely incapable of containing your self-righteous indignation?
It's a great show seeing all the atheists banging their fists on the proverbial table while Jackass remains calm.
Oh Húrin. I really would like to know how you are capable of determining the prosody of the posts in this thread without actually hearing the poster say them or seeing their facial expressions.
If you, objectively, read through this thread in entirety you will see Jakkass selectively replying to comments and repeating his points ad nauseum without further expanding on them or offering additional support for his opinion. Whereas he conceded earlier that a "contrived" story told to a child to get them to obey a series of rules would be wrong, he still has not conceded that equally, the unproven superstitions that are thought to children to control them by Christians is equally as wrong.
However, I don't expect Jakkass to concede an inch. I understand the level of belief that Jakkass harbors and it would be akin to a person trying to convince me the Sun will not rise tomorrow.0 -
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I can empathise to a certain extent because I didn't have faith for a few years of my life. I know what it is like, but I don't think I can ever go back, and more particularly I don't want to go back given how I've been convinced of the truth of Christianity.
Then why are you facinated by us? Deep down, somewherein with you, there is a side of you that questions the very logic you follow(and with good reason) 0 -
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All humans use reason only up to a point. I have seen no evidence that atheists as a group are endowed with any more reason than theists as a group.Goduznt Xzst wrote: »
If Jakkass admits that he has in fact been a Deist for all this time then I apologize. But if he remains a Theist then I apologize for nothing. I don't doubt Theists use reason up to a point
Why use an arbitrary yardstick like this?ergo, the same point that a Deist will stop short.
Why should he take a scientific approach to theology? Reason does exist outside of science, believe it or not.However, it is all the superfluous assumptions in regards to the wishes and thoughts of a deity that make it inextricably antithetic to the methods and practices Jakkass will learn and use while studying any Science.
I studied art in college, and methods like free association (determined mostly by cultural memes I'd say) were used to further the progress of art work. This free association couldn't be done in science. Does that mean that art institutions are inextricably anti-science?
I can try to determine it by the aggression inherent in the language, but through a thick filter like the internet I could be wrong.Oh Húrin. I really would like to know how you are capable of determining the prosody of the posts in this thread without actually hearing the poster say them or seeing their facial expressions.
Humans can't read objectively. Jakkass has to be selective because of the enormous amount of people addressing him. From how I can see it few posters are engaging with his points or trying to see them from his POV so he doesn't need to expand them further.If you, objectively, read through this thread in entirety you will see Jakkass selectively replying to comments and repeating his points ad nauseum without further expanding on them or offering additional support for his opinion.
Nor has anyone conceded to his points about how Christian beliefs are not just "unproven superstitions".Whereas he conceded earlier that a "contrived" story told to a child to get them to obey a series of rules would be wrong, he still has not conceded that equally, the unproven superstitions that are thought to children to control them by Christians is equally as wrong.
Of course you understand because his belief is equal to the fervour of your atheism. Perhaps when you concede points he will too.However, I don't expect Jakkass to concede an inch. I understand the level of belief that Jakkass harbors and it would be akin to a person trying to convince me the Sun will not rise tomorrow.0
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