New huge 'Victory Christian Fellowship' centre being completed in Firhouse, Dublin

recedite

ceolte wrote: »

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/%E2%80%98cult%E2%80%99-pastor-texas-money-and-runs-by-jim-gallagher-sunday-world/

Both churches preach the “prosperity gospel”, telling followers that whatever they give to their pastors now will be returned by God many times over in years to come..... “The amount you give shows how much your heart is in it. Your heart is connected to your wallet"

This would not be out of place in the funny side of religion thread. :pac:
Mind you, a reasonable sum of cash in some "years to come" is in some ways a more realistic proposition than unlimited bliss in an afterlife.

MrReal

The Victory church has been around for a long time its all about the €€€€ they used to have B&B hostel type places to house the homeless. There was nothing Christian about them. Not trying to reach the homeless just wanting to receive the cheque for the service. Very few if any of the homeless people in the B&Bs ever got invited to the church. Let me tell you why BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY.

There are a lot of great churches reaching Dublin and helping the down and outs but the Victory Centre is not one of them.

Warring Warring stay away if you want to keep your money. And if you dont have money stay away your not the type of fish that they are looking for.

They teach false doctrine - if your poor its because God is not blessing you. biblically that is rubbish and if you believe that you need your head examined.

They are up to their necks in dept for that building but dont worry if they cant pay they will just hear the call to go start a church somewhere else.

We should have stopped that so called pastor at the airport and put him in mountjoy.

No character No honesty No real Christianity

How sad when they could be making a real difference.

If you are attending this i hate to call it a church because they dont. did God say i will build my Centre? NO He said church

if you go to this place honestly ask yourself what is the main focus of sermonets of the pastor

if the honest answer € get out of there and find a real Bible preaching church to get involved in.

MrPudding

MrReal wrote: »

The Victory church has been around for a long time its all about the €€€€ they used to have B&B hostel type places to house the homeless. There was nothing Christian about them. Not trying to reach the homeless just wanting to receive the cheque for the service. Very few if any of the homeless people in the B&Bs ever got invited to the church. Let me tell you why BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO MONEY.

There are a lot of great churches reaching Dublin and helping the down and outs but the Victory Centre is not one of them.

Warring Warring stay away if you want to keep your money. And if you dont have money stay away your not the type of fish that they are looking for.

They teach false doctrine - if your poor its because God is not blessing you. biblically that is rubbish and if you believe that you need your head examined.

They are up to their necks in dept for that building but dont worry if they cant pay they will just hear the call to go start a church somewhere else.

We should have stopped that so called pastor at the airport and put him in mountjoy.

No character No honesty No real Christianity

How sad when they could be making a real difference.

If you are attending this i hate to call it a church because they dont. did God say i will build my Centre? NO He said church

if you go to this place honestly ask yourself what is the main focus of sermonets of the pastor

if the honest answer € get out of there and find a real Bible preaching church to get involved in.

Have a look where you are posting... We don't need to find a real a real bible teaching church. To me this place is just a different, slightly more offensive flavour of bullsh1t.

MrP

Dades

Well I'm happy to see that the place isn't being defended by anyone, including Christians.

This thread isn't about God or the bible but a bunch of alleged shysters.

Tim Robbins

Splendour wrote: »

Having said that, I recognised a few people on the video and they are good Christians-albeit caught up in a very mixed up church. Also they are doing great work with getting people off drugs which can only be good. I met one such person when I attended Victory last year when Shane Lynch gave a talk on his book 'The Chancer'.

Scientology also gets people of drugs.

nozzferrahhtoo

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Scientology also gets people of drugs.

As does louis farrakan I am often informed.

MrPudding

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Scientology also gets people of drugs.

As does a. I of willpower and a desire to change your life for the better. No church, sky wizard or donation required.

MrP

lynski

this crowd are on RTE at the mo Service on Sunday, children are spinning around the room to the great choir.

NotForResale

lynski wrote: »

this crowd are on RTE at the mo Service on Sunday, children are spinning around the room to the great choir.

Anything like this?

Nodin

lynski wrote: »

this crowd are on RTE at the mo Service on Sunday, children are spinning around the room to the great choir.

Jesus ravers?

lynski

lol! the choir was great and the band, but going to keep the children on a diet of funk and guitar for now

Banbh

She did say the 'kids are so usable'. In a civilised country, she'd be in jail.

NotForResale

Nodin wrote: »

Jesus ravers?

some people think im bonkers, but i just think im freeeeeeeee

gawker

Read in this weekend's Irish Times receivers have been granted injunctions after they were stopped from repossessing Victory's properties. They are in arrears on property values at €14 million. I bet the poor feckers who go there are being shaken down for all they have today.

recedite

The properties were put up as security for loans of €14 million but repayments went into arrears, the court was told.

I wonder what the pastor blew €14M on? If the properties were put up as security, at least some of the money must have been spent on something else.
€14M buys an awful lot of cocaine and hookers :pac: though obviously he would actually have spent it on a good cause, being a "man of god".

Nodin

recedite wrote: »

I wonder what the pastor blew €14M on? If the properties were put up as security, at least some of the money must have been spent on something else.
€14M buys an awful lot of cocaine and hookers :pac: though obviously he would actually have spent it on a good cause, being a "man of god".

...good coke and hookers?

robindch

gawker wrote: »

They are in arrears on property values at €14 million.

Are they related at all to Abundant Grace Christian Assembly, who appear to be in similar property-related trouble? Perhaps the recession is making people focus on the important things in life...

A notice in Irishtown Garda station, which is next door, indicated that their church has been repossessed by NAMA and is going to be sold off:

AGCA wrote:

Abundant Grace Christian Assembly have no choice but to leave the area. We have lived loved and served the communities of Ringsend and Irishtown from this location for the past 6 years for the glory of God. The valuable work that we do is now under thread, as NAMA, having refused out generous offer, attempt to sell the church building to the highest bidder as an investment/development opportunity. Please pray for our success in retaining this property!

Apologies about the crappy focus - photo in a hurry!

Sarky

Is "under thread" your typo or theirs? I need to know where to direct my pedantic wrath!

Also, classic victim complex there. Oh, it's not our fault, it's evil NAMA not accepting our 'generous' offer because they're in league with Satan or some sh*t!

robindch

Sarky wrote: »

Is "under thread" your typo or theirs? I need to know where to direct my pedantic wrath!

You can direct it towards me

Penn

...as NAMA, having refused our generous offer...

I wonder what their "generous offer" was. "Let us keep the building, not pay any money for it, and we'll pray for you; deal? Why are you laughing?"

recedite

Maybe they offered to switch allegiance if they could keep the property.
Hail Lord Nama, we serve you now :pac:
The only problem is, when it says in the bible "give unto Caesar what is due to him" that means he only accepts cash, cheques or gold, not prayers.

expectationlost

they're religious freeman as they fight repossesion 'not legal in the name of jesus' http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/non-denominational-church-members-ignoring-court-orders-in-receivership-case-1.1421024

What alternative uses would this building have?

Would it be any use as a mosque?

magicbastarder

does it face towards mecca?

username123

Concert venue?

kylith

Museum of Science!

MrPudding

kylith wrote: »

Museum of Science!

Multi-story abortionplex and same-sex civil marriage venue.

MrP

Denalihighway

there must be a parable for this somewhere

thou reapest what thou sowest ???

...or something...biblical studies is not my forte

either way. this is all majestic really.

wonder if this other motley crew are related? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/07/18/edmonton-frederick-victory-church.html - Kevin Frederick seems like a nice guy too. Another 'victim' I suppose...

You might have some sympathy for their followers. Or maybe not as the case may. Like many others, no doubt they will soon be attending sunday service in an industrial complex-turned worship centre in Dublin soon enough.

PS
- this article is also well worth reading too for someone who wants to be brought up to speed on these leeches.

http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/banks-e18m-battle-with-the-pastor-preneurs/

legspin

expectationlost wrote: »

they're religious freeman as they fight repossesion 'not legal in the name of jesus' http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/non-denominational-church-members-ignoring-court-orders-in-receivership-case-1.1421024

Did anyone else see the trustees are called Gerry Byrne and the Hade's

antiskeptic

Denalihighway wrote: »

there must be a parable for this somewhere

thou reapest what thou sowest ???

...or something...biblical studies is not my forte

I imagine Jesus' response to this would be "render unto Caesar what is Caesars". That is: pay your bills..